He says cheap glass and metal. But he didn't say that his system requires a dish that tracks the sunlight, so there are motors, gears and mechanical parts that could add considerably to the cost. I'm thinking that the difference in costs is not that great. But it does eliminate most of the environmental costs of the process of manufacturing the solar cells. This shows that one has to look at ALL of the factors of a solar PV system.
Doesn't the solar cell just melt with all that light and heat focused on it? Surely you can't take just any 4" solar panel and use hundreds of times more light on it.
They already have inflatable solar bubbles that do this. The front of the bubble is clear and the back is reflective film and it concentrates the light onto a small panel.
2000 times smaller ... how large is it then? How large is 1 times smaller? How large is 0 times smaller? How large is not small? SEMANTICS, FUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Something is fishy here.. If the energy is 1000 times the energy(heat-energy theorem) then the temperature of the single solar cell at the focus would also be close to 1000 times greater than that of a same-sized solar cell facing the sun. The "collector" cell, in the focus, would melt.
@desertlight If that was the case, then Achilles death ray would have been a success. Not all the heat is transferred to the solar cell, nor is the scaling for heat linear. In this case, we are not looking for heat, only light.
I doubt it 1000 times more productive than a single cell, but at the same time, the heat is not linear from the reflection of light. If 1 light is 1 degree above ambient temps, and 10 lights are 3 degrees more, and 100 lights are 30 degrees more..Outta characters now. !
I imagined he developed a special solar cell more resistant to heat to the point of just water cooling works fine.
Is this just standart high eficiency solar cells and a water cooling ??? Nothing more or different in the cell itself ???
Still a good idea, since also generates hot water. But they, in their website, said 75% efficiency, but this is consideringt eh water heater effect too, and not just the solar conversion to electricity alone.
You are gonna have to cool the solar cell. That would be a nice dual sourcing scheme........ Use the heat/ steam in a turbine as part of the cooling loop. There are al sort of alternative methods for people to generate their own power. The delay is caused by the currently vested interests. It will stay a cottage industry until things rearrange themselves in some "global Impacting" situation.
I have one question. Why they are talking that Sahara(in Africa) will serve to produce energy for Europe? Is Africa and Sahara part of Europe???? What is diference be dependent on Rusian oil and gas, and be dependent on unstable tyrany states in africa?
Izrael have its own deserts to provide enoug energy for itself. Why colonise sehara? Sahara would serve to africian peoples to help them.
It is shame tahat CPV cell are not available for afordable prices, everybody can make mirror :)
philly p84. its a complicated , If they are shaded the plants may need very little water. there are aerophagias plants that grow hanging from walls in Andalucia.. If you wan tto dry air cool it and the humidity in it will condense out, deserts get very cold at night. Winds circulate, some must bring humidity that gets condensed out of the air in deserts, water for plants capable of using dew I am not sure all my cactuses have much root , they get humidity from the air. rose macaskie.
If we put up lots of solar panels and reflectors in the desert, wont they shade the land giving the added benefit of allowing us to grow vegetation in the desert in their shade. rose macaskie
@rosemacaskie you will then have to pump water from the ground to grow the vegetation, another big problem the humans face, we are running out of fresh water too. Dubai uses sea water and massive amounts of energy to take the salt out of it, this may be possible to achieve using solar energy to purify the water and the shade to grow vegetation, its a big project
@phillyP84 you could run copper tubing on the back of the mirrors to act as a preheater and then run the tubing up to the hot solar cell to steam distill the sea water , turn a turbine while your at it and get more electricity.
There is no "invention" here. This is common technology. The problem with concentrating the solar engery is over heating the PVC (Photo Voltaic Cell.)
Oil is DEAD. Coal and Nuclear ar similarly DEAD. Water contains far more energy than oil. Oil causes sooty-pollution, acid-rain, global warming, and oil-spills further despoil our environment. Fossil-fuels are barbaric. Vacuum is the fuel of the future. Vacuum has a field-strength of over 800-million Volts/cm. Zero-point is the fuel of a star-civilisation, such as OUR OWN.
there are so many solutions,suppressed or not supported by the "Great Pirates" running the world economy,, many great solar systems,, let's all do it! It means freedom of a new age without the dictatorial economic/eco-controls.
it is not about making money, let's stop thinking about how much money it is going to put in my pocket.
Remember, it is more profitable to create a great invention and get paid not to do it, rather than creating it and giving it away for the world to use.
@gabigowriel lol the cells they use so far on the satelites can stand these high tempatures :) He could simple attach a sterling machine and make his shit mach more effective, cheap and maybe smaller.
Listen i appreciate his effort but i dont agree with the term "invertion"
@gabigowriel Because the bigger problem of the renewable sources of energy such as eolic, solar.... etc is that are not stable and reliable at all. They depend on many factors. For example the solar devices can produce energy only for several hours of the day or produce the half or less of energy when there are clounds.
We need to let Obama know about this, but he probably does already. We shall drive the price and consumption of OIL down evern further, alleviating global-warming from burning fossil-fuels, and oil when it gets expensive, is a major contributing factor in economic-slowdowns, and inflation. The age of burning oil for fuel is OVER.
@Beamshipcaptain If you drive the price of oil down then more people will use the cheap oil ! You want to drive the price of oil up, to discourage people from using it.
@astrialkil Only problem is, that raises the price of goods and services, especially:FOOD. Airline tickets, groceries, EVRYTHING. Wich harms our economy. The idea is to get off Oil altogethr, and start using and implementing all the free energy devices and systems that have been invented and suppressed over the decades. Bob Lazar even has a video on YouTube where he shows how he runs his Corvette off of Hydrogen stored in Metal Hydride tanks in the trunk (safer than gasoline and totally CLEAN).
He says cheap glass and metal. But he didn't say that his system requires a dish that tracks the sunlight, so there are motors, gears and mechanical parts that could add considerably to the cost. I'm thinking that the difference in costs is not that great. But it does eliminate most of the environmental costs of the process of manufacturing the solar cells. This shows that one has to look at ALL of the factors of a solar PV system.
acmefixer1 1 week ago
I wish you are right, everything will become cheaper.
GK007001 1 month ago
Doesn't the solar cell just melt with all that light and heat focused on it? Surely you can't take just any 4" solar panel and use hundreds of times more light on it.
enticed2zeitgeist 4 months ago
@enticed2zeitgeist Yes. The hotter a solar panel becomes, the less efficient it is. There has to be a way to cool it.
chop98 3 months ago
They already have inflatable solar bubbles that do this. The front of the bubble is clear and the back is reflective film and it concentrates the light onto a small panel.
72fr250 5 months ago
2000 times smaller ... how large is it then? How large is 1 times smaller? How large is 0 times smaller? How large is not small? SEMANTICS, FUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Anvilshock 5 months ago 2
@Anvilshock
God. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. I thought I was the only one who noticed.
freddytheflintstone1 2 months ago
put a lens in the assembly above the dish and we just made it 10,000 times more effiecient and more light is concentrated, simple logic
mickycheese27 5 months ago
Something is fishy here.. If the energy is 1000 times the energy(heat-energy theorem) then the temperature of the single solar cell at the focus would also be close to 1000 times greater than that of a same-sized solar cell facing the sun. The "collector" cell, in the focus, would melt.
desertlight 6 months ago
@desertlight If that was the case, then Achilles death ray would have been a success. Not all the heat is transferred to the solar cell, nor is the scaling for heat linear. In this case, we are not looking for heat, only light.
I doubt it 1000 times more productive than a single cell, but at the same time, the heat is not linear from the reflection of light. If 1 light is 1 degree above ambient temps, and 10 lights are 3 degrees more, and 100 lights are 30 degrees more..Outta characters now. !
RubberSalt 5 months ago
"Sahara Deseret could become Europe's power plant station" ? When has The Sahara moved to Europe? The Sahara would become Africans power plant !
astrialkil 8 months ago
"...the Sahara Desert could become Europe's power station"
WTF!
I'd rather see it as Africa's power station!
kokopelli314 8 months ago
hate how everyone just wants to get rich from their ideas, which lets the people who already have the money keep all the power
venomousbird 11 months ago
so what are the materials used?! some kind of thermocouple, but what is it?! I can't find the information anywhere.
venomousbird 11 months ago
@venomousbird Ya sneaky bastards ! Hide the good stuff.
astrialkil 8 months ago
what materials would be best at cooling..these things are dangerously hot
s4a4v4y 1 year ago
@s4a4v4y Maybe they work by heat? A thermocouple pile? In the 1950's they had a device you put in a camp fire to power a radio.
astrialkil 8 months ago
I imagined he developed a special solar cell more resistant to heat to the point of just water cooling works fine.
Is this just standart high eficiency solar cells and a water cooling ??? Nothing more or different in the cell itself ???
Still a good idea, since also generates hot water. But they, in their website, said 75% efficiency, but this is consideringt eh water heater effect too, and not just the solar conversion to electricity alone.
jerryaltman 1 year ago
@jerryaltman What web site? The link in the description is just an add for home made solar panels?
astrialkil 8 months ago
You are gonna have to cool the solar cell. That would be a nice dual sourcing scheme........ Use the heat/ steam in a turbine as part of the cooling loop. There are al sort of alternative methods for people to generate their own power. The delay is caused by the currently vested interests. It will stay a cottage industry until things rearrange themselves in some "global Impacting" situation.
bmecher 1 year ago
all sachara with this
leparditas 1 year ago
someone should calculate if the airtemerature is higher or lower if the sun shines on these things instead of the sahara sand
steffankaizer 1 year ago
I have one question. Why they are talking that Sahara(in Africa) will serve to produce energy for Europe? Is Africa and Sahara part of Europe???? What is diference be dependent on Rusian oil and gas, and be dependent on unstable tyrany states in africa?
Izrael have its own deserts to provide enoug energy for itself. Why colonise sehara? Sahara would serve to africian peoples to help them.
It is shame tahat CPV cell are not available for afordable prices, everybody can make mirror :)
xmicina 1 year ago
Stop Talking and get it done, DO IT!!!
FarOutFarSpace 1 year ago 2
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i found the patent on esp@cenet, when we find technologies it is good to share the actual data , so we can play with these things ourselves , peace.
N° de brevet: WO2009034573 (A2)
Date de pub: 2009-03-19
Inventeur(s): TSADKA SAGIE [IL]; SEGEV ROY [IL]; MIGALOVICH PITER [IL]; LEVIN ORI [IL]; TARAZI EZRI [IL]; WHELAN ROBERT [AU]
Demandeur(s): ZENITH SOLAR LTD [IL]; TSADKA SAGIE [IL]; SEGEV ROY [IL]; MIGALOVICH PITER [IL]; LEVIN ORI [IL]; TARAZI EZRI [IL]; WHELAN ROBERT [AU]
lifeguardian8 2 years ago
philly p84. its a complicated , If they are shaded the plants may need very little water. there are aerophagias plants that grow hanging from walls in Andalucia.. If you wan tto dry air cool it and the humidity in it will condense out, deserts get very cold at night. Winds circulate, some must bring humidity that gets condensed out of the air in deserts, water for plants capable of using dew I am not sure all my cactuses have much root , they get humidity from the air. rose macaskie.
rosemacaskie 2 years ago
How can his cell take all that light while a normal cell will get burned? What's the difference?
Stephenlee5 2 years ago
If we put up lots of solar panels and reflectors in the desert, wont they shade the land giving the added benefit of allowing us to grow vegetation in the desert in their shade. rose macaskie
rosemacaskie 2 years ago
@rosemacaskie you will then have to pump water from the ground to grow the vegetation, another big problem the humans face, we are running out of fresh water too. Dubai uses sea water and massive amounts of energy to take the salt out of it, this may be possible to achieve using solar energy to purify the water and the shade to grow vegetation, its a big project
phillyP84 2 years ago
@phillyP84 you could run copper tubing on the back of the mirrors to act as a preheater and then run the tubing up to the hot solar cell to steam distill the sea water , turn a turbine while your at it and get more electricity.
astrialkil 8 months ago
if it is nothing new how come is not out there,? done by you!
djalmanick 2 years ago
There is no "invention" here. This is common technology. The problem with concentrating the solar engery is over heating the PVC (Photo Voltaic Cell.)
awd3atms 2 years ago
Oil is DEAD. Coal and Nuclear ar similarly DEAD. Water contains far more energy than oil. Oil causes sooty-pollution, acid-rain, global warming, and oil-spills further despoil our environment. Fossil-fuels are barbaric. Vacuum is the fuel of the future. Vacuum has a field-strength of over 800-million Volts/cm. Zero-point is the fuel of a star-civilisation, such as OUR OWN.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
@Beamshipcaptain So tell us how to build it, if you cant then your all just wishful thinking.
astrialkil 8 months ago
@astrialkil You can LEARN how to build your own. Go to PESwiki, and rexresearch websites. Do your own research. DIY.
Beamshipcaptain 8 months ago
there are so many solutions,suppressed or not supported by the "Great Pirates" running the world economy,, many great solar systems,, let's all do it! It means freedom of a new age without the dictatorial economic/eco-controls.
zamzonez 2 years ago 10
nothing special. He just concetrated the solar light. Simple logic.
ikaros2006 3 years ago 8
right....since it's nothign special why isn't it being done on a big scale then?
Bigbird5553 3 years ago
actually i mean nothing new..... I dont see any invention here....
ikaros2006 3 years ago
hmmm....because it damages the cells. You get more energy but the cells lifespan goes down from 20+ years to about 5+ years.
asas2jh 2 years ago
one cell four times our four hundred cells once, it is a resource saver, no money can be made in that
decontis 2 years ago
it is not about making money, let's stop thinking about how much money it is going to put in my pocket.
Remember, it is more profitable to create a great invention and get paid not to do it, rather than creating it and giving it away for the world to use.
joelito101 2 years ago
@joelito101 If you don't get money then you run out of resources and cant prototype anything else.
astrialkil 8 months ago
@ikaros2006 f*** you, you are saying that because you're jealous, and you hate the jews !
medarknexs 8 months ago
@medarknexs you are stupid. I am not jealous and i dont hate anyone.
ikaros2006 1 month ago
@ikaros2006 well you are quite wrong:
I don't think a "normal" photovoltaic cell will resist the 900 degrees celsius that a parabolic dish/mirror can develop in full sun!
see this video :
"solar mirror melts metal" by Heinrich Eder
watch?v=PAFq5rzJ3HQ
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel lol the cells they use so far on the satelites can stand these high tempatures :) He could simple attach a sterling machine and make his shit mach more effective, cheap and maybe smaller.
Listen i appreciate his effort but i dont agree with the term "invertion"
ikaros2006 1 month ago
@ikaros2006 if it's "just simple logic" then WHY don't many more humans act logical and build things like this to generate FREE ENERGY?!
or humans lost their brains somewhere in the 1950's?!
...
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel Because the bigger problem of the renewable sources of energy such as eolic, solar.... etc is that are not stable and reliable at all. They depend on many factors. For example the solar devices can produce energy only for several hours of the day or produce the half or less of energy when there are clounds.
ikaros2006 1 month ago
I hope this turns out to be the basis of the next evolution in power... Yet another brilliant Jewish invention!
Ragdollcatman001 3 years ago
We need to let Obama know about this, but he probably does already. We shall drive the price and consumption of OIL down evern further, alleviating global-warming from burning fossil-fuels, and oil when it gets expensive, is a major contributing factor in economic-slowdowns, and inflation. The age of burning oil for fuel is OVER.
Beamshipcaptain 3 years ago
golden eyes fella oil rules doubt it not
marhosan 2 years ago
@Beamshipcaptain If you drive the price of oil down then more people will use the cheap oil ! You want to drive the price of oil up, to discourage people from using it.
astrialkil 8 months ago
@astrialkil Only problem is, that raises the price of goods and services, especially:FOOD. Airline tickets, groceries, EVRYTHING. Wich harms our economy. The idea is to get off Oil altogethr, and start using and implementing all the free energy devices and systems that have been invented and suppressed over the decades. Bob Lazar even has a video on YouTube where he shows how he runs his Corvette off of Hydrogen stored in Metal Hydride tanks in the trunk (safer than gasoline and totally CLEAN).
Beamshipcaptain 8 months ago
ahh...thats really cool, the feynman of solar energy...love 2 talk 2 u sir!
ponnu1984 3 years ago