It's Me or the Dog: Using Agression

[briansimpkins87]

You dont need a dog trainer. you need F***ING GHOST HUNTERS!!

[EAlexandra73]

"Get a little swat and I'll walk away and that hurts their feelings". I think I'd just be glad she walked away after hitting me. Thank goodness we have people who believe in positive dog training and using science to teach a dog correct behavior.

[1BlackCotton]

poor Rusty XD

[ChinchillaAngel]

What the hell is up with the counting? News flash! DOGS DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH! 

[Faustaao]

Another person treating their dogs like people. Idiots.

[ChurtleSnap]

@Faustaao Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with humanizing a dog... But what I do think is wrong is when they treat their dogs as if they think and know like humans do.

[ChantelleBritney]

@Faustaao Um...I treat my dog like a person and never have I ever smacked a person nor shoved them to the ground by their neck. If anything, my dogs show more respect for me than any "HUMAN" I have ever met. Thank you very much.

[WendyPhanNguyen1]

I know what that old women does for a living. Being a wrestler.

[WickedLoverForever12]

Victoria Stilwell is very right!!! I love her show and I actually use some over her techniques and they work well. Besides, her accents is awesome!!!

[TheHazelh0814]

@WickedLoverForever12 well yeah, I love Victoria in a way that her voice calms me down LOVE that accent too. BUT I kinda got disappointed when she advised to put Benji down. Cesar Millan would not have given up on Benji. I love them both but Ceasar tops my list :)

[HausUlv]

If people weren't brain washed by the "behaviorists way" (cesar and victoria) and actually did practical dog training....maybe they could actually control their dogs and have a simple method that the dog actually understands!! Practical training doesn't take forever and it works with all breeds and all temperament.

[MelodyPythonVeria]

@HausUlv May I ask what you mean by practical training?

[HausUlv]

@MelodyPythonVeria Actuall obedience training with leash and collar corrections...what a dog actually understands. If a dog understands and does these commands consistently you can use it to your advantage of having the dog sit or down/stay and it has to think about instead of what ever bad behavior it was doing.If it breaks that command it gets a collar correction.NO it isn't abusive if you are taught buy a trainer that knows how to make the proper corrections.

[xnemoooooox]

I have never seen this woman deal with any of the red zone cases as Cesar has, as quickly, or effectively. And no, Cesar is not aggressive or brutal as people think, or he wouldn't be allowed to continue, its misconception of people. And the woman used his method in the complete wrong way, so it continued

[MsZoraZ]

@xnemoooooox The American Humane Society is against Cesar's methods, just putting it out there.

[TheHazelh0814]

@MsZoraZ uhm no, the American Humane Society came to a truce with Cesar that regardless of sharp differences in views he has good intentions and is just asking him to have more positive training methods. Still they could not or have not the power to stop Cesar because of the lot of people he has helped with their dogs.

[MsZoraZ]

@TheHazelh0814 very true...

[frankiesmash]

Thumbs up for animal plantel to upload the whole video :P

[l0vekeun]

I dont get why it should be so bad to do what she do she do what she have told other ppls to do "to ignore the dog if it keeps going" ...

[novaguy1968]

@l0vekeun Why don't you try writing in a language that can be understood next time?

[l0vekeun]

@novaguy1968 Why dont you learn to understand english and go away with your trollish shit :)

[tijbajmex]

if you give to this woman a cesars case i can bet that she wont fix the dogs problem,instead she just would give food to the dog and bother the family with her opinions and sarcasm.

[jdubb510]

@tijbajmex

That's a misconception you have. Victoria Stilwell "rehabilitates" just as much dogs as does if not more than cesar. That is if you know the definition of the word.

On another note, victoria said something interesting on this episode. She said that submission is given and that forcing the dog to do something makes the owner a bully.

[tijbajmex]

@jdubb510 oh como on give me a break you know and i know that this british is not etic,is she? she spit trash to mr millan when he doesnt. he doesnt even mention her instead he recomend to the viewers to get some professional help. she can only teach a dog how to sit,to stand up and all that stuff,mr millan is more complex than that. animl planet must stop this lady for her comments, both are in the same channel arent they?

[jdubb510]

@tijbajmex

Teaching basic obedience not only mentally challenges the dog but builds a relationship between owner and dog. Besides victoria stilwell has said it herself that when she trains a dog, she does not want to cause more stress to the already insecure dog by means of "learned helplessness" that professional animal behaviorists/vets had noted millan has been doing. The argument that millan is the only one that understands the psyche of dogs is false b/c victoria has said to ...

[jdubb510]

@tijbajmex

part 2: "think dog" that is ... understand the world and perspective as seen through the eyes of dog she's training, basically: what causes the behavior. And as i'm typing i am watching "pitbulls and parolees" another show i love to watch and what she's noted is that "dog aggression is in majority caused by fear" on contrary to what millan has been noting as "dominance." And no, victoria stilwell is from animal planet and millan is from national geographics.

[KrazeeK9z]

@jdubb510

I really dont like to compare Cesar Millan And stillwell, they both have VERY different techniques and each one works very well in different cases. I am in love with both trainors, they just have different ways of getting a dog mentally stable, And thats fine with me!! :)

[jdubb510]

@KrazeeK9z

let me give a real life example: my nephew is fearful of dogs and my cousin suggested holding him close to my dog even if he were to cry and whine to teach him that my dog won't do anything to him ... that's called flooding and learned helplessness. I suggested desensitizing my nephew to my dog in which i gradually introduce my dog to my nephew little by little w/o the need for force & unnecessary stress from my nephew to teach him that dogs aren't bad. Idk you choose :|

[KrazeeK9z]

@jdubb510 Yes :) You are very right, in that case Victorias method worked very well :)

Thank you for that example :))

[NattieChristopher]

@jdubb510 1. I find your claim of Victoria rehabilitating more dogs than Cesar very hard to believe. Does she have a pack of more than thirty dogs that she utilizes while helping the dogs on her show? NO. Does she have her own multi-million dollar, 40+ acre psychology centre? NO. Has she rehabilitated dogs that have killed not just other animals, but people too? I have never seen any severe cases like that on her show.

[NattieChristopher]

@jdubb510 2. Also; what if submission isn't given? Keep giving Fido more treats in the hopes he does? Have you ever seen footage of wild dogs forcing other pack members to submit? I have and can tell you an owner is far from being a bully if he/she forces a dog to submit by pinning to the ground. However, this needs to be done properly. Watching and learning from the likes of Cesar Millan is the way to go.

[jdubb510]

@NattieChristopher

Never said "more dogs," I said "just as much." Controlling the food supply shows dominance in wolf packs, why not use it to our advantage? Once behavior is learned and responds to the command, gradually take out the treat. Once a dog learns the command it will always be there.  Is your dog on the same aggression level as what you say Cesar's dogs are; do you pin your dog once he/she doesn't do the correct behavior b/c he/she is being aggressive?

[jdubb510]

@NattieChristopher

What you said "needs to be done properly" is why his methods are called into question. Dogs have different threshold levels which is probably the reason why his shows have that warning saying "do not try at home." His methods are outdated and unreliable. Positive reinforcement is favorable b/c it was actually proven to work based on scientific studies and research.

[ctarroza]

Oh dear Lord. This is HARD to watch. Painful to watch horrible owners not treating dogs the way they should.

[oxtotl]

Victoria Stillwell has the support of the dog training professional world. Cesar Milan does not.

The concept of the "alpha roll" is a misconception.

Let's just say the trainers who are educated and experienced do not force a dog physically against its will. It is not necessary.

Good old boys use old ways and the heavy handed old ways harm the dog's relationship with the human.

It is considered abuse to hit a child or restrain them by sitting on them, it is abuse to do the same to a dog.

[doodydude234]

The presenter looks like my missus.

[soundspur]

In UK the Dog whisperer has been moved to pay TV. We were left with cocky Victoria and ‘It’s me or the dog’ Oh well..’ She seems quite effective & does a good job! Oh I didn’t know she was a Member of the Assoc. of Pet dogs...& certified! Wow! To anybody with a brain who works with animals, in the real world it means nothing! When you go to Africa and take a ride on a Camel in the Dessert, do you ask the Camel guardian if he has a certificate? And yet they know everything about these animals.

[WeWorkForDogs]

@Keeg021985.

Those studies have been viewed as moot for years because the wolves were captured from the wild from several packs. They had several alpha males with beta females and alpha females. It was not a living pack of wolves, but several stressed animals forced to live together in an unfamiliar environment. Please get your facts straight.

[JoshuaAndMom]

i think i should give ma pitbulls a nice taser shot if they misbehave (i.e. attack any birds and other domestic animals, etc.,) and i get to three. Not to be violent but yet it is a punishment.

[Undulaaten]

What kind of dog breed is it? Please reply:)

[tairourou]

@Undulaaten Looks like a long-haired chihuahua to me.

[JoshuaAndMom]

On the number three (as disciplinary number), try the taser

[jackthelad57]

Why do dogs pin each other down? maybe they havn't watched this video yet?

[Darky2oo5]

see most of the time is the owner fault .. :\

[HowToGetFreebies]

"it hurts their feelings" lmfao! ignorance is bliss

[blahguy1000]

too agvesive

[MsEmberScorpio]

I've seen loads of these shows. The old 'Good Dog' with Stanley Coren, 'At the End of My Leash' with Brad Pattison, 'The Dog Whisperer' with Cesar Milan, and this...they're all different.

[brenyboy26]

LOOK Cesar's method is one way, Victoria's method is another way. There are alot of people saying further down the track, blah blah, it is whatever works for the trainer.

[lightenlynx]

So funny those people talking bad about Cesar Milan in a Victoria Stilwel video. Go watch Cesar's videos, those with agressive dogs that he always fix and see that this dominatrix is really a bitch.

[LeoTheHood]

A perfect example in that Cesar Milan's technique doesn't work, it will only make the problem worse, yes you can suppress the problem, but it will come back eventually

[Jamie12823]

Like this Boar Boel (sp?) Patti Labelle had. Or some of the mental German Shepherds, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers he's helped become balanced. People should stop slagging Cesar because trying his techniques from watching few shows WILL put you in danger... Maybe there's a reason it tells you not to try them yourself at the beginning of the show.......

[DisturbedFanForEver]

@Jamie12823 I agree, People keep thinking they can do the same as Cesar by watching the show and then make crucial mistakes. In that way it can indeed be dangerous, but thats just because you're not good enough of a trainer. Victoria thinks she has the only truth and is to proud to combine the two powerful methods. With fearful dogs her way is the best (in my perception) and with aggression Cesar's way is the best. It's so sad that her ego stands in the way of effective help!

[TheHazelh0814]

@DisturbedFanForEver yes I agree both Cesar and Victoria are good in different areas and Victoria mustn't keep pushing that 'her way' is the right way because she has advised one time to put down Benji where Cesar would not have given up.

[TVSheShe]

@DisturbedFanForEver The problem here is that most aggression is rooted in fear. My aggressive dog, Lionel was quick to snap & bite because he was terrified & had been previously trained with Cesar's outdated techniques. I had to rehab him myself, and he is much better for it! Truly "vicious" dogs are an utter rarity in dog training. There is always a reason-normally it's fear or medical. I've only met one dog who was vicious with no determinable cause in my time as a dog behaviorist & trainer.

[TVSheShe]

@DisturbedFanForEver She doesn't have an ego problem! She's just frustrated for the same reasons I am. These techniques have made my job a hell of a lot harder because I have to spend time undoing so much damage. You can be a great leader without using bullying.

[theguythatcouldfly]

@Jamie12823 Cesar is a dumbass. Why overpower when you can outsmart?!?

[TheHazelh0814]

@theguythatcouldfly try outstmarting a pitbull, lets see.. have you even outsmarted a pitbull you dont know and dont know you? put up a tv show first then ill be a believer, until then shut the ef up. Hail Cesar! :)

[kenny2006sp]

@Jamie12823 Victoria doesn't let the dogs get to the stage of aggression. She uses the best scientific methods in the country. Ceasar on the other lets them get to that point

[SahidMable]

@LeoTheHood It's not the technique or how you do it, it's the energy you project towards your dog when you are doing it. Milan is not a dog trainer he is a dog behaviorist, this women is a dog trainer not a dog behaviorist.

[dontpugme]

@SahidMable is milan certified by any training/behavior association??? i dont think so! Yes victoria is not a behaviorist, but she is a member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers and certified by the Animal Behavior and Training Associates

[SahidMable]

@dontpugme So you have to be a certified dog trainer/behaviorist to have knowledge about dogs? Millan goes by experience and being around dogs where dogs aren't treated by humans, it takes about a month or less to be a certified dog trainer. Years of experience>1 month dog training.

[AngrySemite]

@SahidMable

You have to base your training on empirical evidence, not thoroughly disproven psuedo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

[montallio]

@SahidMable No, but it helps. If you've got a brain tumor would you not opt for a certified doctor? It looks like Milan observes dogs quite well, but most of his theories are just nonesense and so are some, if not many of his methods. For example the episodes in which he physically holds a dogs tail up in the air so he'd become more confident. That's just ridiculous. It's ok as an experiment, but worthless as serious practice.

[montallio]

@SahidMable No, but it helps. If you;ve got a brain tumor would you not opt for a certified doctor (with experience would be nice). Milan seems to me a good dog observer, but his theories are nonensene. And so are some, if not many of his methods. Take the episode in which he physically holds a dog tail up in the air, so the dog will become more confident? Ok, as an experiment perhaps, but quite ridiculous as a training tip.

[oxtotl]

@SahidMable

Professional dog training certification takes over 200 hrs and experience.

Pet Smart dog trainers don't count as professionals.

The answer is YES- you have certified dog trainer/behaviorist to have knowledge about dogs to be credible and accepted among your professional peers.

[TVSheShe]

@SahidMable I'm not "certified" but guess what? If science says there is a better way, I use it! Alpha Rolls have been linked to very serious aggression issues and yet Cesar still uses them? Do you know what an Alpha Roll is? It is a death threat in dog language. Wolves ONLY do that when they are going to kill another wolf. Dogs almost never use them, instead you see voluntary belly rolls. I don't need to threaten my dog's life to train him, Cesar.

[TVSheShe]

@SahidMable No he is not. I'm a dog behaviorist and yes, being calm is generally a good idea but the techniques matter much more. Cesar Millan relies on outdated stuff from the 50's. It makes my job harder because I have to undue so much damage. Learn about calming signalas and then watch his show. You'll have a different opinion.

[TheHazelh0814]

@LeoTheHood point out an episode that the dog problem came back for Cesar. He never gave up on any dog NEVER and Miss Positivity just asked Benji to be put down. So it means Victoria is ineffective.

[TVSheShe]

@TheHazelh0814 no it just means that Cesar is viewed through rose colored glasses. Many of the dogs on his show were later put to sleep because of the same issues and he has been sued by his clients. He makes everything out to be a battle between dog and man when it never had to be to begin with.

[dondeyoutu]

what a wate of time, whats the use of uploading half the video.

[tiburcio9999]

@dondeyoutu the use is that she never solve problems of the dogs..

[NattieChristopher]

@dondeyoutu It's not even 10%, let alone half!! At least National Geographic puts up much longer clips of The Dog Whisperer.

[zhhrah]

how about you load the solution up too since i dont get your stupid channel -_-

[maquahuitl]

that house must smell really bad.

[Totalnarutofanatic]

alot of dogs usually do smell bad

[rideshorse05]

"alpha rolling" does NOTHING, it is a crap form of punishment that just makes your dog think you are an idiot.

[peekoispet]

CEASAR PWNS ALL!!!!

[silentfades]

I would be happier if Ceasar was there

Marc in NYC

[keeg021985]

Milan knows as much about dog behavior as that dog's owner. Milan advocates that same method of 'alpha roll.' which is based on a severely erroneous interpretation of behavior that was observed in captive wolves in the 1930s and 40s. Milan's show has made life much harder for dogs, and has made the job of degreed and certified behaviorists and trainers much more difficult.

[Silvia1826]

@keeg021985

Don't forget the part that the wolves acted differently when captive, than they do in the wild. There is no 'alpha roll' among dogs or wolves, though mother dogs have been known to put their paw onto each other's backs. :) Good job on knowing the facts! :D

[TheHazelh0814]

@keeg021985 Cesars show has made life much harder for dogs? Have you seen how balanced and happy HIS dogs are at the Center? Have you seen how many red zone cases he has helped? No? Then shut up because you dont know what you're saying. One video of Benji made me realize Victoria's techniques is not the final word on dog training.

[keeg021985]

@TheHazelh0814 Uh...Yeah. When you get YOUR M.S. in ethology, and when YOU get in a ph.d. program researching canid ethology, and when YOU get your CPDT-KA and CAAB, then I'll consider your comments of some value. Until then...well, you get the idea.

[arcanaXx]

@keeg021985 That dog's owner is an idiot. She replies to aggression with aggression which just adds fuel to the fire. Caesar may look like he's doing the same thing; however he goes about it in a calm manor and follows through until the dog relaxes he NEVER lets an angry or frustrated dog leave until they calm down. Release is a reward followed by "good boy" or treats for continued calm behavior. He'd never count down to a punishment by then the dog is unsure of why they are being punished.

[ChurtleSnap]

@arcanaXx In many of his episodes I have seen the dogs he 'rehabilitates' show many signs or stress and seen dogs shut down. Do you really think it's still good for the dog to be bullied into submission? There are other ways to calm a dog down, and I prefer Victoria's way. She takes the dog away before the dog even reaches the point of aggression.

[TVSheShe]

@arcanaXx, I have personally seen one of the dogs Cesar has worked with from puppy hood. The dog was a golden, & before Cesar's program, he was a happy, vibrant 6 month old puppy. My head trainer is still working with his owners to undue the damage. He used to pee and shake uncontrollably in the presence of people. Now, with humane training, he will approach people with the "touch it" command and receive a treat. It's going to take a long time before he will bond with anyone besides his owners.

[Hayri2011]

@TVSheShe Is that Cesar's problem, or the owners? Trainers can teach their clients anything, but they can't control what their clients do when they're not around. I've seen many people "copy" his television show but they are using too much force or correcting at inappropriate times with inappropriate measures. That is not what Cesar does. For all you know that's what happened with this dog. And if the puppy was so happy and vibrant why was Cesar called in in the first place?

[TVSheShe]

@Hayri2011, it was his PUPPY TRAINING program! They trusted his techniques, so they sent the puppy to live at the camp most of time for a few months. And, I've watched plenty of his show to see that he does use unnecessary force. He believes in a training style that is based on outdated theories on wolf behavior. We have a much better understanding of both wolves & dogs now, so there is no need to use these techniques. Especially considering that almost every training association condemns them.

[TVSheShe]

@Hayri2011 My thing is that a training program shouldn't leave room for this kind of damage. You can be a great leader without being a bully. A consequence does not have to be so threatening.

[HairyGamer]

omg i've un-subscribed, so why are these videos still turning up in my subcription box ?

[Werty116]

me too..

[tadow221]

if these were uploaded before you un subscribed. they will still come up. lol that happened to me.

[AraziaAngel]

umm so i liked this show until this lol. i understand and agree that the swat is bad... but making the dog lie down and submit is what some trainers / rehabilitators including the dog whisperer use. actually if done correctly and with the right body language and state of mind and with the correct usage and situatioun can be highly effective. ok rant over, and i havent seen the whole vid so maybe later on she corrects her statement.

[Zehrrien]

Yea, "Rehabilitators", use that technique because usually, rehabilitators are working with "red zone" dogs. (Dogs who are very dangerous). Victoria is a trainer, she doesn't really use physical contact, but more body language. It is never necessary to use physical contact unless, of course, you're a rehabilitator.

[TVSheShe]

@Zehrrien Not at all true. If you are rehabilitating a dog, such as my reactive dog, using force of any kind can make the behaviors much worse. The techniques cesar uses cause a temporary stoppage in the behavior because the dog is afraid, not a permanent change in the mental state of the dog. I use counter conditioning instead.

[Broetchen4me]

aww,cute dogs...;-) but i feel sry the same time...;-(

[ummhea]

doggies!

[baggins55]

second!

[Merdam9]

fail