Always have had a "problem" with the type of chasuble being worn here. In the 16th century, chasubles worn by high ranking clergy became so stiff and heavy with ornamentation that priests couldn't easily move in them. Instead of simplifying them, they had the sides cut away! Parish priests copied the new "style", which in time became hallowed in its own right, but which still represents a departure from tradition due to sartorial excess.
Must Christ be continually sacrificed in the mass, or was His blood sacrifice on the cross 100% sufficient to pay for all our sins for ever? In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
@kiwichristian2009 There is no new sacrifice of Christ. ARCIC documents (Anglican and Roman Catholic) make this clear: “Christ's death on the cross ... was the one, perfect and sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the world. There can be no repetition of or addition to what was then accomplished once for all by Christ ... Yet God has given the eucharist to his Church as a means through which the atoning work of Christ on the cross is proclaimed and made effective in the life of the Church.”
@anglorod Rcc teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Christ,but God states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary!This is made perfectly clear in Heb10:10-12"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
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That man is not a priest but a "layman" who acts a priest. He has no power to offer Sacrifice because his orders are derived from the Edwardine Ordinal---which has no intention to ordain a sacrificing priest.
@Cottonmouth26 A study of the New Testament reveals that all Christians are priests. Peter said, "Be you yourselves as living stones, built thereon into a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5).Thus,all Christians are of that holy priesthood and can offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. There is not a man or group of men on earth who can offer unto God spiritual sacrifices for others.
And yes, the chalice! The liturgical authorities seem to be divided about that. Ritual Notes says that the chalice should be on the altar at the beginning of Mass. Fortescue allows it on the credence until the Offertory at a Sung Mass with incense. Since Sung Mass is essentially High Mass simplified in the absence of a Deacon and Subdeacon, our custom at Sung Masses is to follow the High Mass practice of keeping it on the credence until the Offertory.
father I love this mass regardless how the RC's feel a latin mass in its truiest form was last performed before vat I and II after those two events the mass was forver changed. Peace from the episcopal diocese of central florida
Many thanks for your interest in our liturgy. Yes, this is an Anglican/Episcopal Mass, but no, it is not in the UK. It is celebrated at the Church of the Advent in San Francisco. The "Big Six" -- the lights behind the altar? Good heavens, no, they are not electric. If they look electric, it must be due to the fuzzy quality of the video!
Always have had a "problem" with the type of chasuble being worn here. In the 16th century, chasubles worn by high ranking clergy became so stiff and heavy with ornamentation that priests couldn't easily move in them. Instead of simplifying them, they had the sides cut away! Parish priests copied the new "style", which in time became hallowed in its own right, but which still represents a departure from tradition due to sartorial excess.
lichtbroeder 7 months ago
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lichtbroeder 7 months ago
Must Christ be continually sacrificed in the mass, or was His blood sacrifice on the cross 100% sufficient to pay for all our sins for ever? In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 There is no new sacrifice of Christ. ARCIC documents (Anglican and Roman Catholic) make this clear: “Christ's death on the cross ... was the one, perfect and sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the world. There can be no repetition of or addition to what was then accomplished once for all by Christ ... Yet God has given the eucharist to his Church as a means through which the atoning work of Christ on the cross is proclaimed and made effective in the life of the Church.”
anglorod 1 year ago
@anglorod Rcc teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Christ,but God states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary!This is made perfectly clear in Heb10:10-12"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
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If he is a priest, it is disappointing.
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teresasfsol 3 years ago
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That man is not a priest but a "layman" who acts a priest. He has no power to offer Sacrifice because his orders are derived from the Edwardine Ordinal---which has no intention to ordain a sacrificing priest.
Cottonmouth26 3 years ago
@Cottonmouth26 A study of the New Testament reveals that all Christians are priests. Peter said, "Be you yourselves as living stones, built thereon into a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5).Thus,all Christians are of that holy priesthood and can offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. There is not a man or group of men on earth who can offer unto God spiritual sacrifices for others.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
And yes, the chalice! The liturgical authorities seem to be divided about that. Ritual Notes says that the chalice should be on the altar at the beginning of Mass. Fortescue allows it on the credence until the Offertory at a Sung Mass with incense. Since Sung Mass is essentially High Mass simplified in the absence of a Deacon and Subdeacon, our custom at Sung Masses is to follow the High Mass practice of keeping it on the credence until the Offertory.
Blessings and peace.
Fr. Rod
Cantuariensis 4 years ago
father I love this mass regardless how the RC's feel a latin mass in its truiest form was last performed before vat I and II after those two events the mass was forver changed. Peace from the episcopal diocese of central florida
cloudandchorus 3 years ago
Many thanks for your interest in our liturgy. Yes, this is an Anglican/Episcopal Mass, but no, it is not in the UK. It is celebrated at the Church of the Advent in San Francisco. The "Big Six" -- the lights behind the altar? Good heavens, no, they are not electric. If they look electric, it must be due to the fuzzy quality of the video!
Cantuariensis 4 years ago