@Ebbonified I am sure that you are as intelligent as him no well then im sure you will think yourself a superior man by the amount of "game" so you want him to play on your field is that right he can't have his own standards to live by which is what he has done. I'm sure he has met more guys like you then he can remember in which Mr. Tyson says because he was bigger didn't have to deal with the fear of facing up to your standards as a "pimp" may the force be with you young padawan.
Also, what's with the guy putting his hands on Tyson and nearly pushing him out?? I wish we were all taught better critical thinking skills, because that should be a sign to ANYONE watching that Tyson's willingness to discuss shows a lot of thorough thinking on his part and this guy's desperate need to cut off that communication shows a fundamental lack of confidence in his own reasoning capabilities.
I was raised Christian and became very Atheist just through education and rational thinking as an adult. From that perspective, I really appreciate the way Tyson addresses the question and answers the girl where she's at. I have a lot of trouble doing that instead of being dismissive. He is SO brilliant because he understands that belittling religious people turns them off from science, he says you can be a scientist and religious, just don't mix the two, which is the most important lesson.
He's carefully speaking and his presumed audience makes him very uncomfortable. I think he's afraid of conversation where it might lead to disagreement, or something that might weaken his wall of resolve.
I appreciate his contributions to knowledge, like knowing that Pluto is technically not a planet. But he is a man. A man who pulls his pants on one leg at a time.
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@NarlepoaxIII dont be a d-bag dude. obviously he has a schedule to keep. stop trying to make everyone look stupid because you have daddy issues or something.
"Science has had a happy coexistance with religion since for ever". Thats not true. Galileo was home arrested for saying that Earth wasn´t the center of the universe by his friend, the pope (Imagine what would have happened if they weren´t even friends), for example.
@Heinekeem I believe he meant on a large scale, not necessarily in individual cases. I could partly agree with you when concerning the catholic oppression however.
@KoonagiMedia I gave a well known example but there was thousands of others. In medieval times you could be tortured and the burn to death just because you behave differently, under the suspicion of being a sorcer. Same with muslims.
He was born Catholic! No one is born anything but estranged from God needing redemption through the blood of Jesus. So personal salvation was not important to him, not relevant. So what does he talk about the most, why he does not believe. Go figure. Like Dan Brown, at a young age his mind wandered from seeking God. No anointing of the Holy Spirit which confirms the life of Christ upon those who believe. Young men the answer is simple. Seek God with a pure heart and He will manifest Himself.
I personally think, and I may well be completely and utterly wrong, that NDT is, if anything, agnostic. He may well believe that there either is, is at least there is no distinct proof agaist, a greater being. That does not mean following a specific religious charter or church, it means understanding that there is something greater than you at work, as well as realizing that there is a spiritually required code of conduct that you should live by.
@FatherStorm If a person "realizes there is a Spiritually required code of conduct" One holds a belief there exists such a thing. He does not, he is an atheist in regard to such beliefs. The reason he is an atheist, is because there is no evidence of such, he is an atheist because he is agnostic toward those claims. Lack of evidence = lack of belief. Agnostic Atheist.
@seraphilm0 I believe he was referring to examples such as the persecution of Galileo by the church amongst countless other science vs religion, sometimes mortal, conflicts across a large diversity of cultures.
@bha239 Happy, yes. Like religion of "peace" and things like that.
On a more serious note, I agree that that was maybe not one of the brightest things NDT has ever said. Maybe he tried to avoid the question (he's most likely as much atheist as anyone can be) by saying something fuzzy, but it ended up being kind of weak and _too_ fuzzy. Maybe he actually was in a hurry, book-signing and all.
I'd have preferred if he just dissed the bronze-aged fairy tales straight out.
if that jackass didnt rush him outta there he probably would have stood there all day talking to them. and it probably would have been the most that they had ever learned while attending college.
He was there to do a job, most likely to give a presentation. Apparently he did that job, and then both he, and the students needed to return to a rigorous schedule of whatever they were doing at the time.
@NarlepoaxIII Yes, a rigorous schedule of being indoctrinated with the stupidest theology ever conceived of and the women being encouraged to marry too young and spew out as many babies as is humanly possible. I used to live in Provo, I used to be a Mor(m)on. Notice both are PAST TENSE.
Wow, then you didn't pay much attention to what they taught you. Also, the religion is a small part of the course at BYU. If you're gonna hate, go do it somewhere else. Somewhere you won't look stupid.
@NarlepoaxIII I don't think I look stupid. I know what I'm talking about. Also, I will post comments anywhere and to anyone I want to. If you don't like it, put up your own video and disable the comments - or block me. Maybe religion should be a LARGER part of the curriculum at the Y, except LDS theology is paper thin substantively and more about rules, conformity and control than "the glory of God is Intelligence". You should be able to get credit for "reporting honor code violations 101"
@NarlepoaxIII I don't hate people but I despise religion, esp. LDS because I was raised in it. My dad was head of the physical plant at the Harris Fine Arts Ctr in the 70's. I grew past being LDS, not because of sin but conscience, I became a social pariah, dear friends rejected me. I didn't go to BYU, I went to UCLA, but friends told me horror stories about KGB style tactics to enforce morality that I've since seen echoed on the web. Its not hate, I just don't like BYU and am voicing my opinion
@NarlepoaxIII Wow, OK, whatever. I've tried to say I don't hate people that believe differently. I certainly don't hate Mormons or I'd hate every single one of my relatives including my mom (well, my brother is now an atheist like me). I was lucky, most of my relatives didn't shun me...many of my friends did. I believe their religion encourages shunning those you can't convert. It's more that they're prejudiced against me and yes, I resent it. You seem bent to make me out as a hater.
@NarlepoaxIII OK, one bad run-in......one bad life-long run in. Just one. You win. Most of the time on YouTube I just make my comment, offend whoever I offend, and enjoy offending them, I might add - and move on. For some reason,possibly because it WAS Mormons, many of whom I love and care about, I didn't want you to misunderstand my disdain for the religion as hate for the people. I don't know you from Adam and don't know why I gave a shit. Prejudiced means PRE-judged. I judged AFTER.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. It is because issues of morality are being taught in our schools to our fresh young minds. And if it was not for those "religious fundamentalists" the issue of faith would have been excised out of the minds of everyone! This guy needs to go to a revival and get slain in the Holy Spirit.
@mehico33 I may not have something of merit to contribute. But I know one man who does and his name is Jesus Christ. Now as for the video. I'm not saying Mr. Tyson does not have a sharp mind. But when you study the history of revival, you will always come to see one constant, those who celebrated their innate intelligence were always brought to prostrate themselves in the presence of God. Hence, more than ever before we need a manifestation of the presence of God in our lives to bring change.
@fothgt Actually, the first sentence of your original comment was "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." So yes, that can reasonably be taken as saying that DOCTOR Tyson - please show due respect to your superiors - does not have a sharp mind. Don't backtrack. Don't lie. Don't be stupid.
@dpowens I know what I said and do not backtrack. Lets say a man is in darkness, but he can decipher Newtons theory of relativity. Though intelligent, he still in darkness. That is the situation of humanity without Christ. We can go to the moon, split the atom, and even make the long lasting light bulb. But we are still in darkness as it relates to our Creator's self-revelation. If the light that is in you darkness, how great is that darkness-Jesus (Matthew 6:23).
@fothgt You can't help but keep it simple. Newton did not have a theory of relativity and while I was laughing at you before, I am now pitying you. Good luck out there.
@fothgt You aren't smarter than anyone on any topic. I think you've made that pretty clear. You need to stop condescending, my humble Christian friend.
@dpowens Well at least I got you to say Christian. That is always my goal. If I can get them talking about Christ. Maybe they will start thinking about Jesus. They might even open the Bible. Then when the discussion wanes, the circumstances of life take hold, they forget about their unbelief, and they call on the name of Jesus. My theology is always simple. Get 'em to mention that name. God will do the rest!
@fothgt aside from approving of slavery, rape, murder, stoning people, archaic barbaric rules, and mythology, what has jesus's bible ever given humanity? Show me one example of something that exists that could not have existed without the bible or jesus christ. I can show you wars and slaughter and hatred that might not exist without religion and it's devisive message of "us versus them" that it always creates regardless of the deity being worshiped.
@fothgt Basic good morals and ethics aside from any religious doctrines are likey to remain more universal and outshine any of mans religions since counter interpretation and hostile disagreement in the name of *religions* are so often found to advance the majority of wars and throughout history. Individuals can be scientifically and spiritually minded at the same time in the manner that Einstein was but not embrace any religion. Very high morals can certainly be well taught without a religion.
@jklinne8 I'm glad that man has a moral compass without religion. But for what purpose? You live, die and that's it. Nothing more than an animal's existence. Ah, but if man has a eternal soul which has an eternal destiny, can his good moral's and ethics save him? He then needs sound religious doctrine and ultimately this can be found in the life, ministry and teachings of Jesus Christ who came to save. Man's limited morality cannot meet God's righteous standards. Hence we need a redeemer.
@fothgt. No. We're more than just live and die. Anytime anyone tries to pin down a starting point for an absolute beginning, someone else will always come along and theorize what happened before that and before that etc. So..Perhaps a better theory about God is that God is the sum total of ALL things at once with no beginning or ending and life was not created from nothingness but projections from that essence which has always existed and has been morphing into endless well designed variations.
@fothgt I've never seen a more blatant case of "it makes me feel good, so I believe it regardless of how ridiculous it is." Thanks for at least being honest, if unintentionally.
@dpowens Actually at lot of times it does not make me feel good because of the responsibility it brings. To realize the message you have to bring salvation to multitudes will not always be received is not a feel good story. If you study the lives of Christ's Apostle's many of them did not receive a heroes welcome when proclaiming Christ. Just they opposite. John was banished. Paul beheaded. Peter crucified upside down. Ouch! All because they said that Jesus was Lord. That is what I preach.
...As for what purpose we have, the sum total of all things at once does not require a purpose to exist. It is something which is ever expanding of which we've always in some way been part of. Consider also the importance here of "contrast" which has been pre-built into this existence. Without contrast of positive and negative, you would have never have been able to know light from dark or map any destination for your life to know your overall growth is the most productive toward the positive.
@fothgt Faith should be completely excised out of every mind that want's clarity. Faith has never lead to 1 discovery, has never lead to 1 beneficial thing that we as a race have held on to. Faith exists for faith's own purpose which is to enslave minds without the need for evidence. Faith has never done anything good for man kind ever. I defy you to show an example of one country ruled by a theocracy that has not been a disaster to the people who are subject to it's reign. You can't.
@strobe74 Faith has led to many discoveries, beneficial for humanity. Do you really think that the scientists of the last 500 years where atheists? Was George Washington Carver an atheist? What about Galileo? Many always run to his being rejected by the church? As if the church is God? And another thing, what books are you reading? The information you get about the church many times were written by...the church. Dr King was a Christian. Charles Finney, Frederick Douglas, The Tappan brothers...
@fothgt Name one discovery that required religion for the discovery to be made. I can name hundreds of thousands of things that wouldn't exist if it weren't for science but not 1 thing that wouldn't exist without religion. Also just because someone that discovers something was religious doesn't mean that their religious beliefs had any bearing on their discovery or the process that brought them to it. Religion is not responsible for one discovery through the history of humanity.
@fothgt Do you think that people really had a choice over the last 500 years to be an atheist? Did Galileo have a choice? Did George Washington Carver have a choice? While it is more accepted now, it is still difficult to publicly be an atheist (varies depending on where you live).
@kingwillie206 I meant Minder, as in a guide that makes sure the visitor doesn't see the wrong things or talk to the wrong people--I'm implying BYU is North Korea. Actually, BYU's has always struggled to balancing the claims of religious truth (which every student must study) with the study and teaching of the empirical truths of the modern world. Leaders of the LDS Church have openly expressed the concern that higher learning often leads to a loss of faith (a rational mind).
@kingwillie206 That "minder" I mentioned is probably the sponsoring science or physics department head. BYU has, like I said below, a open and ongoing discussion about faith and its place in the study of the natural world. Asking a stranger if he's religious is, to most of us, a none-of-your-business question. But Neil DeGrass Tyson participates in discussions of science and religion in America all the time: check YouTube. His response is overly careful.
@kingwillie206 ...but typical of his approach to reconciling the arguments surrounding religion in the science classroom. If you look up some of these discussions, you'll see he clashes a bit with other atheists who see only a secular future for education. He seems to think that may not be realistic.
@kingwillie206 probably his travel, tour, or assistant keeping him to schedule. can't miss a flight, etc. or you end up canceling another event somewhere else, happens all the time with famous academics. especially when doing book tours. always on the move.
Science and religion have had a happy co-existence forever? I'm sorry Neil, but that's just out-right not true (Galileo?). I see Neil deGrasse Tyson as one of my heroes, and I love the passion he has for educating and for learning. However, I think he's doing a disservice by understating the attrocities that religion has committed against science and reason.
@Kith000 And you mean to tell me men have not used "science and reason" to abuse the rights of others? That is men of science and reason are, perish the thought, sinners who can abuse their God given abilities in the name of their disciplines. In Russia, the hotbed of scientific atheism, the church was decimated by those who placed a belief in science and reason. Do some research. In China, people were beheaded by simply believing in Jesus. Where was the reason there? Sounds like murder.
@fothgt I'm glad you mentioned "scientific atheism", because that is important. Scientific Atheism (Capitalized), was full of it's own rituals and beliefs, and you can see that if you do any research on the matter. They may have been atheistic, but they were not secular; not by a long shot. And the incidents in China don't seem like reasonable events to me either. They do sound like murder. I don't see your point there.
@Kith000 My point is that men of all persuasions can abuse what they hold, I dare not say believe, to be true. When dealing with many who claim or even hint at there is no God and that if there is He (God) cannot be known on a personal level the discussion always leads to the violence that is in the world. My point is that men are violent, whether with a religious robe on or not. And that being said men need a savior to transform them. That is my ultimate point.
@fothgt Yes, men can abuse what they hold. But when it comes to religion, it's not an "abuse" to die killing heretics and non-believers. It's not an abuse because it's mandated in the scriptures that you people believe in! That's why these discussions always led to violence, because that's what Yahweh or Allah or whoever wants (according to scripture). Religion, by its underlying belief system, has always led to the retardation of science and progress, because of that dangerous belief.
@Kith000 Actually Jesus came that we would have life and that more abundantly (John 10:10). The teachings of Jesus (as well as His life and example) never even hint at abusing one's fellow man. Jesus taught to love God and our neighbor as well explained in the story of the Good Samaritan. He sets the standard for Christians for His generation and those that have followed. Period. We believe in science and progress, but not when it compromises His Word.
@fothgt Actually, "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword". How loving. Ooh, and let's not forget one of my favorites "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
I do agree with you on one thing. Jesus did set the standard for Christians. I just think we've all suffered for it greatly.
@Kith000 Couldn't have said it better myself. I also couldn't agree more. In fact i think you were polite in that statement. I think the reality goes far beyond general suffering due to the barbaric ideas introduced by the bible and religion in general.
@strobe74 Barbaric ideas introduced by the bible! Are you crazy? The barbaric ideas in the Bible were consistent with the times. What came first the chicken or the egg? The biblical writers did not conjure up warfare, class division, murder, or genocide. Those things we prevalent because of the choice's of men! When God established a covenant with Israel He promised to be with them. You guys need to study. You might learn something. Israel was a small tribe in comparison to the other nations.
@fothgt Nope.. quite rational acutally. I can read and did have the misfortune to grow up in a religious house. Your god is a murdering psychopath. I don't even know where to begin with the vitriol and ignorance that the bible has in it. God's answer to everything seems to be killing. While that may have been consistent with man, an all powerful timeless god should be above the petty careless bloodshed of men. But if you read the bible he's clearly not. I don't see perfection. I see a butcher.
@strobe74 Actually God is a God of love. If He was a murdering psychopath you and I would not be having this conversation. But in the words of the Old Testament Psalmist "His mercy endures forever." If He was a butcher, Rahab, Ruth and others would not be listed as heroes of faith (Hebrews 11th chapter). Its just a matter of us understanding covenant, Christ and conversion by both the Word and Spirit that brings transformation. Believe the gospel (Mark 1:14,15; 119th Psalm 130). Sincerely.
@fothgt Let's agree to disagree. A god of love wouldn't send billions of people "his children" to hell for eternity. Those two things are just incompatible. Aside from that and the mountain of evidence in the bible that god is not love, this conversation can only happen because religion has given up much power over the centuries. 1000 years ago this would have cost me my life. After shrugging off the guilt and self loathing of religion the only "good news" is that none of it is real.
@Kith000 What have you personally suffered from Christians? Christians built America. And even the abomination of slavery was overturned by Christians. They were called abolitionists.
@fothgt Sorry to chime in on this but you are aware that christianity in this country was perfectly fine with slavery. The south was and still is the mostly staunchly devout christian group in this country, which was the heart of the slave owning states. I don't know how you can honestly make that claim. Secondly, this country was not built on Christianity. That's nothing more than revisionist history. Third, the bible fully supports slavery. Or is that part of the bible being ignored now?
Whoa, that’s wrong. I have no problem acknowledging that many Christians supported slavery & used the Bible to do so.
But the southern United States was not especially religious when slavery was legal. In fact, the south was populated by Scots-Irish settlers. Typical frontiersmen, they had little interest in religion. The north was populated by the pious Puritans & they built the great centers of religious training.
@HuellsJewels I'm not arguing that christians were among the many in the north that apposed slavery. But there were just as many christians that used the bible to justify the ownership of other humans in the south. (yes i would agree that today the south is much worse than it was in those days). Infact their status as foreigners and, generally, non-Christians contributed to reinforcing the legal boundaries of slavery, as they were seen as somewhat less than human. ( continued.. )
@HuellsJewels The point i was trying to make (and doing a bad job of) was that the south then was just as religous as anyone else at that time. Sure they had their mix of "other" religions or non believers but they were probably VERY small groups, however i believe there is a much larger gap between the souths level of devoutness and the rest of the country today. I'll agree with you that it may not have been that way back then.) (continue)
@HuellsJewels The first abolition society (Pennsylvania abolition socieity) had 24 members and about 17 were christians. Thomas Paine was notably among them as a self described atheist. To say christianity was what stopped slavery is a little dishonest. (from OP) I'd say, moral people (including nasty athiests) were what stopped slavery. (hence the whole fight over how atheists can be moral if they don't believe in god which is kind of a stupid thing to think, not that you were saying that.)
@Kith000 Actually the sword in the context is the division of those who follow Jesus, believing He is the Son of God in comparison to those who do not. The division would be sharp as a sword. Don't you understand metaphorical language? As for the enemy quote, Jesus was talking to the House of Israel. They clearly understood the context of following other gods and the hostility it brought in relationship to the God of Israel. To have God in your midst and follow another voice was an abomination.
@grayziehobbes Retard. Man I am really intimidated by that argument, Show me something that can get my attention in regards to "why faith does not matter." Our nation was founded in the midst of people wanting to retain their faith without government interference. Ever heard of the Danbury Baptists? Jefferson promised them protection under the law....federal law. Where they retards? Or your ancestors? Probably the latter!
WOW. A black astrophysicist giving talking about religion at a school named after a Bringham Young; who's religion stated that black people are so inferior to the white race that the only way they could enter Heaven was as a slave.
See, THIS is what the world needs now more than ever in its schools and education system. A teacher who is simply there to teach and give as unbiased of an opinion as possible and answer in a calm, collected, and intelligent manner. I applaud both his answer and his point of view. You sir win!
Religion is based on the "God of the Gaps" mentality. If we don't understand something or if it seems too complicated to decipher then the immediate thought is that god must have created it. Science allows us to understand complicated systems. To make predictions and test them to see if they are correct. The more we learn the further the god of the gaps recedes. Religion will have more and more problems with science as it erodes every assumption and myth religion has ever created.
@strobe74 But science can never bring salvation. Even Dan Brown, the Da Vinci Code author said the more you deal with science and mathematics the more you see there is a spiritual side to it." What? Brown said that? What some are really saying is that we are going to determine the origins of the universe without the God Factor. In reality what they are saying hint's at one of the deadly sins. Pride. Without God's revelation and the principle of faith (which is immutable) man will remain lost.
@fothgt Needing salvation assumes that we need saving from some unnatural distruction. Since I don't believe in heven/hell/gods/unicorns/elves/etc.. I don't feel i need to be saved from anything. It's not sciences job to save you from anything except mysticism and the cloud of stupidity we all start off in. Sciences purpose is to expose the nature of what exists so that we can understand it. Nothing more nothing less.
@fothgt As for the 7 deadly sins, they're not in the bible. They've been added to religious cannon starting in the 2nd century. The Didache (a document) listed the original 5. The 7 we know today were defined in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great. Those "sins" have nothing to do with anything. It was the choice of some old man to add thesee to religious cannon like many things taken as fact that were really added to the bible or religious cannon much later on.
@fothgt All of which goes to show relgion is man made and nothing more. As for God's revelation.. what revelation. Faith is not revelation. Revelation would include knolwedge and knowledge is called knowledge because it's not faith. They are opposite things. One has facts that are tangible and the other is just believing in something because you want to or someone told you to, which lends no credibility to something being real.
@fothgt Religion has no supporting evidence and is not real, any more than any other mythology is real. Sorry. Believing in something that has no evidence or basis inf act is what will keep man lost. Sicence is light and understanding. Please use the last 2k years as a support for that statement.
@strobe74 Well in a few years someone will be right and someone will be wrong. We will either stand before a all knowing and all wise God in judgment or just pass away as dust in the wind. But as for me and my house "we will trust in the Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal salvation. John 3:16. P. S., as for the last 2k years we don't reckon our last 2k years in the name of science but Anno Domini in the Year of the Lord.
@fothgt No .. we've already seen for the last 2k years. Everyone dies, not a shred of evidence that any religion that's ever been mentioned even exists, including yours. Christians just keep waiting for something to happen. How long will it take to see that it's a sham? another 1k years? 10k? 100k? It doesn't matter. The fairy tail that was sold to you as a child will never happen and we've been proving it since man has been in his current form and has been able to make up gods.
@fothgt Also.. you claimed that religion had made many discoveries .. i'm still waiting for you to show me one thing that exists today, that couldn't exist without religion. I'll even expand that.. show me anything that couldn't exist without any 1 of the religions that have been made up since man has been able to make up stories. Nothing like that exists on this planet and never will. There is no revelation or discovery in religion because it only looks backwards to when it was invented by men.
Tyson is a wonderful human being who just wants to share the excitement and zeal that he has for what he has learned with everyone. In every one of his videos you get the feeling he would be more than happy to spend hours talking to people.
Man I love Neil Tyson. He kept trying to sign those autographs even as that dude was literally pushing him away :). But Niel, "we've had a happy coexistence forever?" I'm sorry man but that just inst true. Until modern times people like Tyson were being burned at the stake by religious people.
@red666111 you're wrong, the religious institutions have primarily burned people for heresy. Sometimes that would consist of a scientific idea, and most of the time not. Studying Church history in seminary gives me a say here. The Church has not at all been at war with science persay- and same goes vice versa. Your caricaturization is ridiculous
@csoul7811 Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for saying the earth revolved around the sun and for claiming a multiplicity of worlds around other stars.Galileo Galilei,while not burned,was constantly persecuted.Pietro d’Abano died before he could be burned, but his body was burned because he dissected human corpses for anatomical study.
@csoul7811 You are correct the church is not at war with science per say, they have been at war with anyone who questions their doctrines. It just so happens that scientists are more often than not included in this category.
@red666111 yes the Church, myself included, wars against anything we consider to be false. But as for scientists- well you're wrong- it is not more often than not- the Church more often agrees with scientists on most things.
@csoul7811In modern times you are correct. Take a look at the dark ages. People were burned for everything from witchcraft to believing the earth was not the center of the universe.
@csoul7811 And some of those believed the Bible. Like William Tyndale who wanted the Bible to get in the hands of many in the English speaking world. One day (and I hope it is soon) many will get the revelation on why English is the lingua franca of the world!
Tyson spoke well here, he was respectful of the students attitude about faith, as he should have! He's an honorable person. My question is, if science, which is all about "absolutes", such as, the laws that govern everything, then why do scientists always say, when referring to matters of our origin, that it was a random event? The reason we can explore Mars, Saturn, Venus, the moon, is because the laws of physics safely ensure our success! Our origin is NOT random, natural law isn't waivering!
It seemed to me like that man was most likely his publicist, or something along those lines. But man, what a great guy this Mr Tyson, signing all them autographs, actuallys givings damns.
Neil deGrasse Tyson - "OUR COLLECTIVE FREE TIME NEEDS TO SHIFT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO EDUCATION. WHETHER YOU'RE A YOUNG STUDENT OR FINISHED SCHOOL LONG AGO, GET OUT TO THE LIBRARY WHENEVER YOU CAN AND WORK HARD TO LEARN EVERYTHING YOU CAN ABOUT THIS WORLD. EACH INDIVIDUAL AND SOCIETY WILL BENEFIT FROM BEING ABLE TO SOLVE MORE PROBLEMS AND MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. EDUCATION IS AN AMAZING DISCOVERY PROCESS THAT REPAYS YOU ENDLESSLY."
@Ebbonified I am sure that you are as intelligent as him no well then im sure you will think yourself a superior man by the amount of "game" so you want him to play on your field is that right he can't have his own standards to live by which is what he has done. I'm sure he has met more guys like you then he can remember in which Mr. Tyson says because he was bigger didn't have to deal with the fear of facing up to your standards as a "pimp" may the force be with you young padawan.
3sonyps 3 days ago
Also, what's with the guy putting his hands on Tyson and nearly pushing him out?? I wish we were all taught better critical thinking skills, because that should be a sign to ANYONE watching that Tyson's willingness to discuss shows a lot of thorough thinking on his part and this guy's desperate need to cut off that communication shows a fundamental lack of confidence in his own reasoning capabilities.
tiffzilla1984 3 days ago
I was raised Christian and became very Atheist just through education and rational thinking as an adult. From that perspective, I really appreciate the way Tyson addresses the question and answers the girl where she's at. I have a lot of trouble doing that instead of being dismissive. He is SO brilliant because he understands that belittling religious people turns them off from science, he says you can be a scientist and religious, just don't mix the two, which is the most important lesson.
tiffzilla1984 3 days ago
"so I was born Catholic, riased that way until age 11 or so"
"(disappointed)....oh."
hahaha.
BushPrintzle 4 days ago
He seems to really be teaching dance.
He's carefully speaking and his presumed audience makes him very uncomfortable. I think he's afraid of conversation where it might lead to disagreement, or something that might weaken his wall of resolve.
I appreciate his contributions to knowledge, like knowing that Pluto is technically not a planet. But he is a man. A man who pulls his pants on one leg at a time.
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BearerOfChrist35 1 week ago
WOW fuck his publicist or whoever that douchebag is.
NoogieFoshoogie99 1 week ago
do. not. stifle. the tyson.
renacademyrecords 1 week ago
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When the guy rushes Neil and cuts him off, the chick is like "aww" hahahaha
ryanrenesis 1 week ago 2
@Ersa1a he just wants to twist your words and make you look like the bad guy.
RandytheViking17 1 week ago
@NarlepoaxIII dont be a d-bag dude. obviously he has a schedule to keep. stop trying to make everyone look stupid because you have daddy issues or something.
RandytheViking17 1 week ago
STOP PUSHING NEIL !!!
DjV3N0M 1 week ago
ill have sex with him, ill make him loose as a goose. ;D
Swe3ets 2 weeks ago
"Science has had a happy coexistance with religion since for ever". Thats not true. Galileo was home arrested for saying that Earth wasn´t the center of the universe by his friend, the pope (Imagine what would have happened if they weren´t even friends), for example.
Heinekeem 2 weeks ago
@Heinekeem I believe he meant on a large scale, not necessarily in individual cases. I could partly agree with you when concerning the catholic oppression however.
KoonagiMedia 2 weeks ago
@KoonagiMedia I gave a well known example but there was thousands of others. In medieval times you could be tortured and the burn to death just because you behave differently, under the suspicion of being a sorcer. Same with muslims.
Heinekeem 2 weeks ago
He was born Catholic! No one is born anything but estranged from God needing redemption through the blood of Jesus. So personal salvation was not important to him, not relevant. So what does he talk about the most, why he does not believe. Go figure. Like Dan Brown, at a young age his mind wandered from seeking God. No anointing of the Holy Spirit which confirms the life of Christ upon those who believe. Young men the answer is simple. Seek God with a pure heart and He will manifest Himself.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
Neil's a soft touch. He needs that hard ass to keep him on schedule.
dm1121ww 3 weeks ago
This is who we need as President.
mjfraser04 3 weeks ago
what an asshole for pushing him away from these knowledge/wisdom seeking young adults :/
Matzes 4 weeks ago
I personally think, and I may well be completely and utterly wrong, that NDT is, if anything, agnostic. He may well believe that there either is, is at least there is no distinct proof agaist, a greater being. That does not mean following a specific religious charter or church, it means understanding that there is something greater than you at work, as well as realizing that there is a spiritually required code of conduct that you should live by.
FatherStorm 1 month ago
@FatherStorm If a person "realizes there is a Spiritually required code of conduct" One holds a belief there exists such a thing. He does not, he is an atheist in regard to such beliefs. The reason he is an atheist, is because there is no evidence of such, he is an atheist because he is agnostic toward those claims. Lack of evidence = lack of belief. Agnostic Atheist.
UponGiantsShoulders 3 weeks ago
Fuck that asshole telling Neil he's done. Prick.
InvertedHorizon 1 month ago 2
I would love to meet him and pick his brain for like 30 minutes. This guy is cool.
coolair00 1 month ago
Neil deGrasse Tyson is a good guy
lostsrfn 1 month ago
@fothgt Stop treating the comment section like it's your congregation! Go herd your flock elsewhere.
kingwillie206 1 month ago 2
Who was that asshole? What a prick.
axblake1 1 month ago
man what a cool level headed dude willing to explain and discuss
ingibingi2000 1 month ago 31
HAPPY coexistence forever???
bha239 1 month ago
@bha239 I doubt he literally meant "forever," he was talking in general terms.
seraphilm0 1 month ago in playlist Neil Degrasse Tyson
@seraphilm0 I believe he was referring to examples such as the persecution of Galileo by the church amongst countless other science vs religion, sometimes mortal, conflicts across a large diversity of cultures.
vadertuber 1 month ago
@bha239 Happy, yes. Like religion of "peace" and things like that.
On a more serious note, I agree that that was maybe not one of the brightest things NDT has ever said. Maybe he tried to avoid the question (he's most likely as much atheist as anyone can be) by saying something fuzzy, but it ended up being kind of weak and _too_ fuzzy. Maybe he actually was in a hurry, book-signing and all.
I'd have preferred if he just dissed the bronze-aged fairy tales straight out.
0debug 1 month ago
he's the type of genius who you could ask a completely irrelevant question and he would stand there for 3 hours talking about it......an amazing man
J0nnyCArr 1 month ago
if that jackass didnt rush him outta there he probably would have stood there all day talking to them. and it probably would have been the most that they had ever learned while attending college.
RandytheViking17 1 month ago 43
@RandytheViking17 Exactly. If they didn't go to a Mormon college they would learn a thing or two.
khdude2000 1 month ago
@RandytheViking17
Yeah, how dare he try to keep a schedule.
NarlepoaxIII 3 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII Some things are more important than trying to keep a schedule.
vidigod 3 weeks ago
@vidigod
He was there to do a job, most likely to give a presentation. Apparently he did that job, and then both he, and the students needed to return to a rigorous schedule of whatever they were doing at the time.
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII Yes, a rigorous schedule of being indoctrinated with the stupidest theology ever conceived of and the women being encouraged to marry too young and spew out as many babies as is humanly possible. I used to live in Provo, I used to be a Mor(m)on. Notice both are PAST TENSE.
Ersa1a 2 weeks ago
@Ersa1a
Wow, then you didn't pay much attention to what they taught you. Also, the religion is a small part of the course at BYU. If you're gonna hate, go do it somewhere else. Somewhere you won't look stupid.
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII I don't think I look stupid. I know what I'm talking about. Also, I will post comments anywhere and to anyone I want to. If you don't like it, put up your own video and disable the comments - or block me. Maybe religion should be a LARGER part of the curriculum at the Y, except LDS theology is paper thin substantively and more about rules, conformity and control than "the glory of God is Intelligence". You should be able to get credit for "reporting honor code violations 101"
Ersa1a 2 weeks ago
@Ersa1a
...wow, you are a very hateful person. Why? What did they do to you?
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII I don't hate people but I despise religion, esp. LDS because I was raised in it. My dad was head of the physical plant at the Harris Fine Arts Ctr in the 70's. I grew past being LDS, not because of sin but conscience, I became a social pariah, dear friends rejected me. I didn't go to BYU, I went to UCLA, but friends told me horror stories about KGB style tactics to enforce morality that I've since seen echoed on the web. Its not hate, I just don't like BYU and am voicing my opinion
Ersa1a 2 weeks ago
@Ersa1a
So you're prejudiced against a certain group of people for having certain beliefs that don't coincide with your own. Guess what?
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII Wow, OK, whatever. I've tried to say I don't hate people that believe differently. I certainly don't hate Mormons or I'd hate every single one of my relatives including my mom (well, my brother is now an atheist like me). I was lucky, most of my relatives didn't shun me...many of my friends did. I believe their religion encourages shunning those you can't convert. It's more that they're prejudiced against me and yes, I resent it. You seem bent to make me out as a hater.
Ersa1a 2 weeks ago
@Ersa1a
Prejudiced. You believe that a certain group of people is less trustworthy than others simply because you had one bad run-in.
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@NarlepoaxIII OK, one bad run-in......one bad life-long run in. Just one. You win. Most of the time on YouTube I just make my comment, offend whoever I offend, and enjoy offending them, I might add - and move on. For some reason,possibly because it WAS Mormons, many of whom I love and care about, I didn't want you to misunderstand my disdain for the religion as hate for the people. I don't know you from Adam and don't know why I gave a shit. Prejudiced means PRE-judged. I judged AFTER.
Ersa1a 2 weeks ago
@Ersa1a
You judged EVERYONE on an event involving a small group. But this has gone on too long, it's starting to lose it's point.
NarlepoaxIII 2 weeks ago
@RandytheViking17 it already was the most they learned at college.
aSheeple 1 week ago
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Xenctuary 1 month ago
I might have had my volume down for a second, but did he say whether he prays to a personal god?
psford1 1 month ago
@strobe74 Very well said.
DAVROSS44 1 month ago
What an absolute legend, cares so much.
DAVROSS44 1 month ago
He's so passionate about what he does, seems like such a nice guy as well.
MrShakespere 1 month ago
He seems like a generally nice guy.
FlyingBandicoot 1 month ago
"We've had a happy coexistence forever"... Well, I think Giordano Bruno might like a word with Mr. Tyson on that one.
codebolt 2 months ago
lol the guy that pushes him out... "ok yeah whatever you say, see you, have a nice day"
copyrightdna 2 months ago
That last guy ushering him out, geez. It's like a scene from a movie... guess he's one of the 6000 year old believers :)
beardofwonder 2 months ago
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. It is because issues of morality are being taught in our schools to our fresh young minds. And if it was not for those "religious fundamentalists" the issue of faith would have been excised out of the minds of everyone! This guy needs to go to a revival and get slain in the Holy Spirit.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Look at you, thinking you have something of merit to contribute.
mehico33 2 months ago
@mehico33 I may not have something of merit to contribute. But I know one man who does and his name is Jesus Christ. Now as for the video. I'm not saying Mr. Tyson does not have a sharp mind. But when you study the history of revival, you will always come to see one constant, those who celebrated their innate intelligence were always brought to prostrate themselves in the presence of God. Hence, more than ever before we need a manifestation of the presence of God in our lives to bring change.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Actually, the first sentence of your original comment was "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." So yes, that can reasonably be taken as saying that DOCTOR Tyson - please show due respect to your superiors - does not have a sharp mind. Don't backtrack. Don't lie. Don't be stupid.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens I know what I said and do not backtrack. Lets say a man is in darkness, but he can decipher Newtons theory of relativity. Though intelligent, he still in darkness. That is the situation of humanity without Christ. We can go to the moon, split the atom, and even make the long lasting light bulb. But we are still in darkness as it relates to our Creator's self-revelation. If the light that is in you darkness, how great is that darkness-Jesus (Matthew 6:23).
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Oh good, scripture. I was worried the conversation might turn adult.
dpowens 2 months ago
@fothgt NEWTON'S THEORY OF RELATIVITY? Hahahahahahahahahahahah ad infinitum.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens I try to keep it simple, us Americans have not finished public school.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt You can't help but keep it simple. Newton did not have a theory of relativity and while I was laughing at you before, I am now pitying you. Good luck out there.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens Remember the Bible was the textbook of colonial times.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt ?
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens And we have barely gotten a G.E.D. as it relates to matters of faith.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt You aren't smarter than anyone on any topic. I think you've made that pretty clear. You need to stop condescending, my humble Christian friend.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens Well at least I got you to say Christian. That is always my goal. If I can get them talking about Christ. Maybe they will start thinking about Jesus. They might even open the Bible. Then when the discussion wanes, the circumstances of life take hold, they forget about their unbelief, and they call on the name of Jesus. My theology is always simple. Get 'em to mention that name. God will do the rest!
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt I think you should read more carefully.
dpowens 2 months ago
@fothgt aside from approving of slavery, rape, murder, stoning people, archaic barbaric rules, and mythology, what has jesus's bible ever given humanity? Show me one example of something that exists that could not have existed without the bible or jesus christ. I can show you wars and slaughter and hatred that might not exist without religion and it's devisive message of "us versus them" that it always creates regardless of the deity being worshiped.
strobe74 2 months ago
@fothgt Basic good morals and ethics aside from any religious doctrines are likey to remain more universal and outshine any of mans religions since counter interpretation and hostile disagreement in the name of *religions* are so often found to advance the majority of wars and throughout history. Individuals can be scientifically and spiritually minded at the same time in the manner that Einstein was but not embrace any religion. Very high morals can certainly be well taught without a religion.
jklinne8 2 months ago
@jklinne8 I'm glad that man has a moral compass without religion. But for what purpose? You live, die and that's it. Nothing more than an animal's existence. Ah, but if man has a eternal soul which has an eternal destiny, can his good moral's and ethics save him? He then needs sound religious doctrine and ultimately this can be found in the life, ministry and teachings of Jesus Christ who came to save. Man's limited morality cannot meet God's righteous standards. Hence we need a redeemer.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt. No. We're more than just live and die. Anytime anyone tries to pin down a starting point for an absolute beginning, someone else will always come along and theorize what happened before that and before that etc. So..Perhaps a better theory about God is that God is the sum total of ALL things at once with no beginning or ending and life was not created from nothingness but projections from that essence which has always existed and has been morphing into endless well designed variations.
jklinne8 2 months ago
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jklinne8 2 months ago
@fothgt I've never seen a more blatant case of "it makes me feel good, so I believe it regardless of how ridiculous it is." Thanks for at least being honest, if unintentionally.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens Actually at lot of times it does not make me feel good because of the responsibility it brings. To realize the message you have to bring salvation to multitudes will not always be received is not a feel good story. If you study the lives of Christ's Apostle's many of them did not receive a heroes welcome when proclaiming Christ. Just they opposite. John was banished. Paul beheaded. Peter crucified upside down. Ouch! All because they said that Jesus was Lord. That is what I preach.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Yeah, good.
dpowens 2 months ago
...As for what purpose we have, the sum total of all things at once does not require a purpose to exist. It is something which is ever expanding of which we've always in some way been part of. Consider also the importance here of "contrast" which has been pre-built into this existence. Without contrast of positive and negative, you would have never have been able to know light from dark or map any destination for your life to know your overall growth is the most productive toward the positive.
jklinne8 2 months ago
@fothgt Faith should be completely excised out of every mind that want's clarity. Faith has never lead to 1 discovery, has never lead to 1 beneficial thing that we as a race have held on to. Faith exists for faith's own purpose which is to enslave minds without the need for evidence. Faith has never done anything good for man kind ever. I defy you to show an example of one country ruled by a theocracy that has not been a disaster to the people who are subject to it's reign. You can't.
strobe74 2 months ago
@strobe74 Faith has led to many discoveries, beneficial for humanity. Do you really think that the scientists of the last 500 years where atheists? Was George Washington Carver an atheist? What about Galileo? Many always run to his being rejected by the church? As if the church is God? And another thing, what books are you reading? The information you get about the church many times were written by...the church. Dr King was a Christian. Charles Finney, Frederick Douglas, The Tappan brothers...
fothgt 3 weeks ago
@fothgt Name one discovery that required religion for the discovery to be made. I can name hundreds of thousands of things that wouldn't exist if it weren't for science but not 1 thing that wouldn't exist without religion. Also just because someone that discovers something was religious doesn't mean that their religious beliefs had any bearing on their discovery or the process that brought them to it. Religion is not responsible for one discovery through the history of humanity.
strobe74 3 weeks ago
@fothgt Do you think that people really had a choice over the last 500 years to be an atheist? Did Galileo have a choice? Did George Washington Carver have a choice? While it is more accepted now, it is still difficult to publicly be an atheist (varies depending on where you live).
vidigod 3 weeks ago
Who is the asshole rushing him out by force as he's signing books?
kingwillie206 2 months ago 58
@kingwillie206 A self-appointed "minder." Did you see how concerned he was with the discussion of atheism, nervous laughter and all.
sheasf 1 month ago
@sheasf With all of that infinite wisdom, how did Neil manage to pick George Bush as his personal bodyguard?
kingwillie206 1 month ago
@kingwillie206 I meant Minder, as in a guide that makes sure the visitor doesn't see the wrong things or talk to the wrong people--I'm implying BYU is North Korea. Actually, BYU's has always struggled to balancing the claims of religious truth (which every student must study) with the study and teaching of the empirical truths of the modern world. Leaders of the LDS Church have openly expressed the concern that higher learning often leads to a loss of faith (a rational mind).
sheasf 1 month ago
@kingwillie206 That "minder" I mentioned is probably the sponsoring science or physics department head. BYU has, like I said below, a open and ongoing discussion about faith and its place in the study of the natural world. Asking a stranger if he's religious is, to most of us, a none-of-your-business question. But Neil DeGrass Tyson participates in discussions of science and religion in America all the time: check YouTube. His response is overly careful.
sheasf 1 month ago
@kingwillie206 ...but typical of his approach to reconciling the arguments surrounding religion in the science classroom. If you look up some of these discussions, you'll see he clashes a bit with other atheists who see only a secular future for education. He seems to think that may not be realistic.
sheasf 1 month ago
@kingwillie206
can't agree with you more...and Mr. Tyson seems so eager to answer questions too...
servantofthe99 1 month ago
@kingwillie206 probably his travel, tour, or assistant keeping him to schedule. can't miss a flight, etc. or you end up canceling another event somewhere else, happens all the time with famous academics. especially when doing book tours. always on the move.
architect333 1 month ago 4
@kingwillie206 ppl like Mr. Tyson really need some1 to do that because the crowd is relentless and it is very draining. Hes just doin his job man.
crazy4coke 1 month ago 2
Science and religion have had a happy co-existence forever? I'm sorry Neil, but that's just out-right not true (Galileo?). I see Neil deGrasse Tyson as one of my heroes, and I love the passion he has for educating and for learning. However, I think he's doing a disservice by understating the attrocities that religion has committed against science and reason.
Kith000 2 months ago
@Kith000 And you mean to tell me men have not used "science and reason" to abuse the rights of others? That is men of science and reason are, perish the thought, sinners who can abuse their God given abilities in the name of their disciplines. In Russia, the hotbed of scientific atheism, the church was decimated by those who placed a belief in science and reason. Do some research. In China, people were beheaded by simply believing in Jesus. Where was the reason there? Sounds like murder.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt I'm glad you mentioned "scientific atheism", because that is important. Scientific Atheism (Capitalized), was full of it's own rituals and beliefs, and you can see that if you do any research on the matter. They may have been atheistic, but they were not secular; not by a long shot. And the incidents in China don't seem like reasonable events to me either. They do sound like murder. I don't see your point there.
Kith000 2 months ago
@Kith000 My point is that men of all persuasions can abuse what they hold, I dare not say believe, to be true. When dealing with many who claim or even hint at there is no God and that if there is He (God) cannot be known on a personal level the discussion always leads to the violence that is in the world. My point is that men are violent, whether with a religious robe on or not. And that being said men need a savior to transform them. That is my ultimate point.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Yes, men can abuse what they hold. But when it comes to religion, it's not an "abuse" to die killing heretics and non-believers. It's not an abuse because it's mandated in the scriptures that you people believe in! That's why these discussions always led to violence, because that's what Yahweh or Allah or whoever wants (according to scripture). Religion, by its underlying belief system, has always led to the retardation of science and progress, because of that dangerous belief.
Kith000 2 months ago
@Kith000 Actually Jesus came that we would have life and that more abundantly (John 10:10). The teachings of Jesus (as well as His life and example) never even hint at abusing one's fellow man. Jesus taught to love God and our neighbor as well explained in the story of the Good Samaritan. He sets the standard for Christians for His generation and those that have followed. Period. We believe in science and progress, but not when it compromises His Word.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Actually, "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword". How loving. Ooh, and let's not forget one of my favorites "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
I do agree with you on one thing. Jesus did set the standard for Christians. I just think we've all suffered for it greatly.
Kith000 2 months ago
@Kith000 Couldn't have said it better myself. I also couldn't agree more. In fact i think you were polite in that statement. I think the reality goes far beyond general suffering due to the barbaric ideas introduced by the bible and religion in general.
strobe74 2 months ago
@strobe74 Barbaric ideas introduced by the bible! Are you crazy? The barbaric ideas in the Bible were consistent with the times. What came first the chicken or the egg? The biblical writers did not conjure up warfare, class division, murder, or genocide. Those things we prevalent because of the choice's of men! When God established a covenant with Israel He promised to be with them. You guys need to study. You might learn something. Israel was a small tribe in comparison to the other nations.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt Nope.. quite rational acutally. I can read and did have the misfortune to grow up in a religious house. Your god is a murdering psychopath. I don't even know where to begin with the vitriol and ignorance that the bible has in it. God's answer to everything seems to be killing. While that may have been consistent with man, an all powerful timeless god should be above the petty careless bloodshed of men. But if you read the bible he's clearly not. I don't see perfection. I see a butcher.
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@strobe74 Actually God is a God of love. If He was a murdering psychopath you and I would not be having this conversation. But in the words of the Old Testament Psalmist "His mercy endures forever." If He was a butcher, Rahab, Ruth and others would not be listed as heroes of faith (Hebrews 11th chapter). Its just a matter of us understanding covenant, Christ and conversion by both the Word and Spirit that brings transformation. Believe the gospel (Mark 1:14,15; 119th Psalm 130). Sincerely.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt Let's agree to disagree. A god of love wouldn't send billions of people "his children" to hell for eternity. Those two things are just incompatible. Aside from that and the mountain of evidence in the bible that god is not love, this conversation can only happen because religion has given up much power over the centuries. 1000 years ago this would have cost me my life. After shrugging off the guilt and self loathing of religion the only "good news" is that none of it is real.
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@Kith000 What have you personally suffered from Christians? Christians built America. And even the abomination of slavery was overturned by Christians. They were called abolitionists.
fothgt 3 weeks ago
@fothgt Sorry to chime in on this but you are aware that christianity in this country was perfectly fine with slavery. The south was and still is the mostly staunchly devout christian group in this country, which was the heart of the slave owning states. I don't know how you can honestly make that claim. Secondly, this country was not built on Christianity. That's nothing more than revisionist history. Third, the bible fully supports slavery. Or is that part of the bible being ignored now?
strobe74 2 weeks ago
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Whoa, that’s wrong. I have no problem acknowledging that many Christians supported slavery & used the Bible to do so.
But the southern United States was not especially religious when slavery was legal. In fact, the south was populated by Scots-Irish settlers. Typical frontiersmen, they had little interest in religion. The north was populated by the pious Puritans & they built the great centers of religious training.
HuellsJewels 2 weeks ago
@HuellsJewels I'm not arguing that christians were among the many in the north that apposed slavery. But there were just as many christians that used the bible to justify the ownership of other humans in the south. (yes i would agree that today the south is much worse than it was in those days). Infact their status as foreigners and, generally, non-Christians contributed to reinforcing the legal boundaries of slavery, as they were seen as somewhat less than human. ( continued.. )
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@HuellsJewels The point i was trying to make (and doing a bad job of) was that the south then was just as religous as anyone else at that time. Sure they had their mix of "other" religions or non believers but they were probably VERY small groups, however i believe there is a much larger gap between the souths level of devoutness and the rest of the country today. I'll agree with you that it may not have been that way back then.) (continue)
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@HuellsJewels The first abolition society (Pennsylvania abolition socieity) had 24 members and about 17 were christians. Thomas Paine was notably among them as a self described atheist. To say christianity was what stopped slavery is a little dishonest. (from OP) I'd say, moral people (including nasty athiests) were what stopped slavery. (hence the whole fight over how atheists can be moral if they don't believe in god which is kind of a stupid thing to think, not that you were saying that.)
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@Kith000 Actually the sword in the context is the division of those who follow Jesus, believing He is the Son of God in comparison to those who do not. The division would be sharp as a sword. Don't you understand metaphorical language? As for the enemy quote, Jesus was talking to the House of Israel. They clearly understood the context of following other gods and the hostility it brought in relationship to the God of Israel. To have God in your midst and follow another voice was an abomination.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt Retard.
grayziehobbes 2 months ago
@grayziehobbes Retard. Man I am really intimidated by that argument, Show me something that can get my attention in regards to "why faith does not matter." Our nation was founded in the midst of people wanting to retain their faith without government interference. Ever heard of the Danbury Baptists? Jefferson promised them protection under the law....federal law. Where they retards? Or your ancestors? Probably the latter!
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt It was not an argument. I stated in obvious fact.
grayziehobbes 2 weeks ago
This guy is a stud, no two ways about it...a stud.
jesseblizzard 2 months ago 2
WOW. A black astrophysicist giving talking about religion at a school named after a Bringham Young; who's religion stated that black people are so inferior to the white race that the only way they could enter Heaven was as a slave.
Maybe things will turn around some day.
chenalos 2 months ago
:18 - is that a mouse on the stage, to the left of Mr.Tyson's head?
projectodemayhem 2 months ago 54
@projectodemayhem good eye
wallstreetatheist 1 month ago
@projectodemayhem Top of someones head i think
DL305 1 month ago
@projectodemayhem i believe that is the top of a head/hair, later in the video an individual can be seen walking behind that structure
7996hobguy 1 month ago
@projectodemayhem Holy shit, yes!
KuchDaddy 1 month ago
@projectodemayhem nah.. tis a desk and the top of a persons head walking behind it.
Ievolovel 1 month ago
@projectodemayhem lol u see the person again at 2:30
Crystal9CA 1 month ago
See, THIS is what the world needs now more than ever in its schools and education system. A teacher who is simply there to teach and give as unbiased of an opinion as possible and answer in a calm, collected, and intelligent manner. I applaud both his answer and his point of view. You sir win!
panteralover23 2 months ago 3
Religion is based on the "God of the Gaps" mentality. If we don't understand something or if it seems too complicated to decipher then the immediate thought is that god must have created it. Science allows us to understand complicated systems. To make predictions and test them to see if they are correct. The more we learn the further the god of the gaps recedes. Religion will have more and more problems with science as it erodes every assumption and myth religion has ever created.
strobe74 3 months ago
@strobe74 But science can never bring salvation. Even Dan Brown, the Da Vinci Code author said the more you deal with science and mathematics the more you see there is a spiritual side to it." What? Brown said that? What some are really saying is that we are going to determine the origins of the universe without the God Factor. In reality what they are saying hint's at one of the deadly sins. Pride. Without God's revelation and the principle of faith (which is immutable) man will remain lost.
fothgt 2 months ago
@fothgt Needing salvation assumes that we need saving from some unnatural distruction. Since I don't believe in heven/hell/gods/unicorns/elves/etc.. I don't feel i need to be saved from anything. It's not sciences job to save you from anything except mysticism and the cloud of stupidity we all start off in. Sciences purpose is to expose the nature of what exists so that we can understand it. Nothing more nothing less.
strobe74 2 months ago
@fothgt As for the 7 deadly sins, they're not in the bible. They've been added to religious cannon starting in the 2nd century. The Didache (a document) listed the original 5. The 7 we know today were defined in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great. Those "sins" have nothing to do with anything. It was the choice of some old man to add thesee to religious cannon like many things taken as fact that were really added to the bible or religious cannon much later on.
strobe74 2 months ago
@fothgt All of which goes to show relgion is man made and nothing more. As for God's revelation.. what revelation. Faith is not revelation. Revelation would include knolwedge and knowledge is called knowledge because it's not faith. They are opposite things. One has facts that are tangible and the other is just believing in something because you want to or someone told you to, which lends no credibility to something being real.
strobe74 2 months ago
@fothgt Religion has no supporting evidence and is not real, any more than any other mythology is real. Sorry. Believing in something that has no evidence or basis inf act is what will keep man lost. Sicence is light and understanding. Please use the last 2k years as a support for that statement.
strobe74 2 months ago
@strobe74 Well in a few years someone will be right and someone will be wrong. We will either stand before a all knowing and all wise God in judgment or just pass away as dust in the wind. But as for me and my house "we will trust in the Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal salvation. John 3:16. P. S., as for the last 2k years we don't reckon our last 2k years in the name of science but Anno Domini in the Year of the Lord.
fothgt 2 weeks ago
@fothgt No .. we've already seen for the last 2k years. Everyone dies, not a shred of evidence that any religion that's ever been mentioned even exists, including yours. Christians just keep waiting for something to happen. How long will it take to see that it's a sham? another 1k years? 10k? 100k? It doesn't matter. The fairy tail that was sold to you as a child will never happen and we've been proving it since man has been in his current form and has been able to make up gods.
strobe74 2 weeks ago
@fothgt Also.. you claimed that religion had made many discoveries .. i'm still waiting for you to show me one thing that exists today, that couldn't exist without religion. I'll even expand that.. show me anything that couldn't exist without any 1 of the religions that have been made up since man has been able to make up stories. Nothing like that exists on this planet and never will. There is no revelation or discovery in religion because it only looks backwards to when it was invented by men.
strobe74 2 weeks ago
Tyson is a wonderful human being who just wants to share the excitement and zeal that he has for what he has learned with everyone. In every one of his videos you get the feeling he would be more than happy to spend hours talking to people.
scifi75 3 months ago 6
The guy taking him away is like "hmm... funny string hit in my mind... well that about wraps that up... enough knowledge for one day."
Reaperlastfm 3 months ago
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He's a very nice guy.
TheBigEase 3 months ago
Man I love Neil Tyson. He kept trying to sign those autographs even as that dude was literally pushing him away :). But Niel, "we've had a happy coexistence forever?" I'm sorry man but that just inst true. Until modern times people like Tyson were being burned at the stake by religious people.
red666111 3 months ago
@red666111 you're wrong, the religious institutions have primarily burned people for heresy. Sometimes that would consist of a scientific idea, and most of the time not. Studying Church history in seminary gives me a say here. The Church has not at all been at war with science persay- and same goes vice versa. Your caricaturization is ridiculous
csoul7811 3 months ago
@csoul7811 Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for saying the earth revolved around the sun and for claiming a multiplicity of worlds around other stars.Galileo Galilei,while not burned,was constantly persecuted.Pietro d’Abano died before he could be burned, but his body was burned because he dissected human corpses for anatomical study.
red666111 3 months ago
@csoul7811 You are correct the church is not at war with science per say, they have been at war with anyone who questions their doctrines. It just so happens that scientists are more often than not included in this category.
red666111 3 months ago
@red666111 yes the Church, myself included, wars against anything we consider to be false. But as for scientists- well you're wrong- it is not more often than not- the Church more often agrees with scientists on most things.
csoul7811 3 months ago
@csoul7811In modern times you are correct. Take a look at the dark ages. People were burned for everything from witchcraft to believing the earth was not the center of the universe.
red666111 3 months ago
@csoul7811 And some of those believed the Bible. Like William Tyndale who wanted the Bible to get in the hands of many in the English speaking world. One day (and I hope it is soon) many will get the revelation on why English is the lingua franca of the world!
fothgt 2 weeks ago
look at how he's shooed away like a stray dog.
congtron 3 months ago
Did you noticed the rat on the back at 0:18? 0_o
nelsonprestan3 3 months ago 2
Can anyone say NOMA?
I like NDTyson. He is blessed with political/social intelligence. Almost sounds like a Nonoverlapping Magisterianist here to me anyway like Gould.
HellRehab 3 months ago
This man is seriously one of the most brilliant minds of our time.
ADHDont 3 months ago 4
Tyson spoke well here, he was respectful of the students attitude about faith, as he should have! He's an honorable person. My question is, if science, which is all about "absolutes", such as, the laws that govern everything, then why do scientists always say, when referring to matters of our origin, that it was a random event? The reason we can explore Mars, Saturn, Venus, the moon, is because the laws of physics safely ensure our success! Our origin is NOT random, natural law isn't waivering!
geetarnut 3 months ago
This Tyson dipwad is a total imbecile.
I prefer Michio Kaku (a REAL Physicist, unlike Pluto boy Tyson)
evoTARDSareINSANE 3 months ago
2:27 the asshole to the right intervenes SCIENCE.... what a dick.
TheToxicRadio 3 months ago
I have never had more respect for someone I've never met.
theotherredguy 4 months ago 49
@theotherredguy Ehhh... Richard Dawkins comes close for me.
Soapygold 2 months ago
It seemed to me like that man was most likely his publicist, or something along those lines. But man, what a great guy this Mr Tyson, signing all them autographs, actuallys givings damns.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson - "OUR COLLECTIVE FREE TIME NEEDS TO SHIFT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO EDUCATION. WHETHER YOU'RE A YOUNG STUDENT OR FINISHED SCHOOL LONG AGO, GET OUT TO THE LIBRARY WHENEVER YOU CAN AND WORK HARD TO LEARN EVERYTHING YOU CAN ABOUT THIS WORLD. EACH INDIVIDUAL AND SOCIETY WILL BENEFIT FROM BEING ABLE TO SOLVE MORE PROBLEMS AND MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. EDUCATION IS AN AMAZING DISCOVERY PROCESS THAT REPAYS YOU ENDLESSLY."
TheLogicalBrain 4 months ago
You can tell that he LOVES teaching. I wish more people were like him. He's a hero for the intellect.
c0lin82 4 months ago 62