my 2500$ pc workstation specs = ultimate - 32gb of quad channel 2000mhz ram - asus extreme rampage 4 - 3960x cpu oc'ed to 4.8Ghz watercooled with the H100 - ATI Radeon 7970 - HAF X case - 5 160gb SSDs in RAID10 + 2 500gb 10000rpm raid0(btw windows boots in like half a sec :D) and a blueray burnner...if i were to build this computer on apple.com 7Grand +
owned and Iphone back when it first came to AT&T wireless and also got one when it came to Verizon.was not impressed either time.only upshot for AT&T was being able to browse the interwebs while on the phone(can't do that on Verizon btw)mainly used for it's Ipod function.eventually got rid of both and got a 32 gb Ipod touch and droid.the battery even though i didn't have any apps other then the bloatware that comes preinstalled only lasted 11 hours max.will not get another one as in EVER!
@shewolfen1 Agreed. There is no way all these people are somehow getting monsters of machines they claim to get for under 1,000 dollars. Good machine is always 900 or more. Even I would not recommend a Mac Mini.
@shewolfen1 Well, I'm just going to point this out right now-
I'm no fanboy of PC's or Macs because I own and love both. I also own an iPhone 4, 4S, iPad 1, and 2. I also own numerous Androids. I'm no fan of either. They're all great devices and I respect the creators. You're the annoying one here, talking with all caps and being a fail troll. But it's fun to feed trolls, because it gives me a good laugh. So please, keep talking. It's entertaining.
@shewolfen1 If you believe that Macs are "virus-free" then where's your proof? Is it an Apple commercial, it probably is. According to both Cnet and Mcafee, the amount of viruses are at an all time high, and are increasing at a rate of ~10% a MONTH. I personally am glad that you use Mac, that way your stupidity will reflect on the Apple community and not the Windows/Linux communities.
@wilhamlin Also according to Cnet, many viruses are being spued out as new devistating threats to try to scare mac users back into the PC world, when in reality, every 'new' virus that comes out was actually written years ago. There might be 5 or 6 viruses for macintosh, but the success rate is little to none, and there has never been a mac-virus-spreading epidemic like there has been for Windows viruses spreading through the internet.
@shewolfen1 But you see I have owned and used a Mac, and it isn't worth the ludicrous price. And as for "luxury" cars, it's only worth it if you feel the need to show off to people. People like you who are buying things just to buy them and show off are the reason the American economy is in shambles right now.
@shewolfen1 you realize iOS and OS X are different right? probably not, you don't really seem to know anything. But no, Apple isn't 100% virus free, and with it's lack of built-in security, it's even more susceptible than Windows. Did you know your Mac can be hacked in 10 seconds? of course you didn't. Did you know that the record time for hacking into Windows 7 is several hours
@wilhamlin Lack of built in security? Look up Launchd and then tell me what's insecure. Unlike Windows, which keeps system files for programs and the OS in the same unstructured and unorganized folder (system32), Mac keeps its OS system files sacred and separate and demand 3rd party programs supply manpages which ensure the program is supposed to be a program and supply checksums which tell the OS the files are supposed to be there and they're written correctly. Windows? Insecure as fuck.
@rifall If I were you, I wouldn't brag about the security of Mac OS versus Windows. Pwn2Own, for the last 3-4 years running, has shown a Mac OS to always be the first one to be hacked remotely. Usually through a 0-day exploit or through a 2nd day exploit in Safari.
The time it normally takes to find such an exploit? About 2 weeks.
For Windows through IE, it takes about a month to find a similar exploit.
Mac OSX is, as proven, far less secure than Windows7, filing system be damned.
@AndrewDeLong The only thing People have been able to do with a mac is take it over. What the hell can you do from there? Macintosh is also finding more exploits because they have much better security experts cracking round the clock. Pwn2own is a non-sense competition that will accept any remote access as dangerous to give away thousands of dollars to any security junkie. Pwn2own is not to be taken as the truth.
@rifall What can they do from there? They have been able to successfully infiltrate a Mac by merely having someone VISIT a website, no clicking needed. After that, they gain full access to the system, they can access folders and even write data to the hard drive. They can do damn well anything they please.
Pwn2Own is the very type of competition that companies like Apple & Microsoft rely on to keep them up to date about security holes.
Your problem is, you're trying to downplay the importance of a competition like Pwn2Own, and call the participants "security junkies." These are the very people whose efforts Apple, MS, Google, and others rely on. These are the professionals that, instead of Hacking your ass or mine, seek to protect it. And you idly sit by and claim it to be overrated?
Then you need to tell Apple and any other OS provider to stop paying attention to Pwn2Own.
@AndrewDeLong Apple and Microsoft depend on their own security experts, not a 2 minute exploit at a competition that somebody came prepared to do. It's not a quickness competition, it's a "who came with good hacks" competition. I might as well do the same exploit at Pwn2own next year and claim my 50,000 dollars.
@rifall actually, a Zero-day exploit on a major OS garners $15,000. As for those two minute Hacks, the people that find them are usually 1 person or a team of three working for several weeks to find security holes so obscure that those so called "experts" at MS and Apple can't even detect them. And the exploits usually end up being rather big.
Again, one exploit in Apple's OSX/Safari allowed for full remote control with a mere website VISIT.
@AndrewDeLong Wow, a full takeover. That's just about the equivalent of using Remote Desktop. You cannot make any critical changes since you don't have the administrator password. The most you can do is look through their files and maybe delete and application or two. Wait, you need a password to do that too. So unless you have a super quick hack to get the password or root the system, you're powerless. And what's this? A power button to shut it down. Real scary.
@rifall Wow, full remote access. The average Apple user is too stupid to even employ a password for documents. They usually just mark them as read only, which is well enough to copy down any important information, and without the user's knowing so.
How in the hell would one know to shut off their machine, if the only thing that the hacker is doing is copying all of your information in the background?
Noob? I suggest you use a mirror next time you employ such an infantile insult.
@AndrewDeLong Again, nothing serious or potentially dangerous can happen without the user's permission. This includes background processes. Just about every account of user stupidity is accounted for. And what asshole is writing down their own personal data on to a word document on their computer? Files like those are kept in a file cabinet, even by complete idiots.
Again, we're talking about a security hole that allows initial access into the OS. Do you honestly thing that any hacker worth his salt is just going to stop at basic access? Not likely. Gaining admin access is a hop and a skip for people like that.
It's just a simple matter of gaining access to the root shell.
The average Mac user doesn't even know how to prevent that, short of power down the system. That's assuming they detect it
@shewolfen1 I literally haven't had any of the problems that you just listed. And I have owned a Mac, and it gave me so many problems such as random data loss, random restarts, slowing down after a couple hours of use, freezing, crashes, kernel panics, VIRUSES, malware, trojans and much more
@shewolfen1 My eyes are open, perhaps you should open yours. if you did you'll see Macs aren't worth what you pay for. Older parts, no built in security features, lack of software available, growing number of viruses, HUGE pricetag for no reason. There just isn't a reason to own a Mac unless you just really wanna be a hipster
@shewolfen1 Well considering I don't own a Kia I'm not really sure where you pulled that out of. I drive a Nissan, but I have driven Mercedes, Lexus, etc. and their "non-luxury" counterparts, which perform as good if not better. Which is the same for my computer, it's not a Mac, but will beat any Mac in a benchmark test. (also I don't us a Dell, I have an older one but I don't use it anymore)
@shewolfen1 Most of the time, the "luxury" cars don't bring any extra to the table except for their logo. And i've already told you the price and specs of my computer (which will beat any Mac on a benchmark test and in pretty much every factor)
It's funny how people call us Mac users "mindless zombies" and "iSheep", but really they are being the sheep. They turn their backs completely on anything made by Apple, when it turns out that 80% of all Mac users have either a Windows computer in their home, or they have Windows installed on their Mac via Bootcamp or Parallels. Hypocrites.
@shewolfen1 Actually I just thought of a more accurate car analogy.
Lexus (Mac) and Toyota (PC)
They're both made by the same company, in the same factory, by the same people, using the same parts. The only difference being that one puts a different logo on it and charges more. Actually this can be used for several companies.
@shewolfen1 You've already said that... word for word... twice. Aluminum is, alright, BUT there is materials much better suited for heat dissipation.
Face it, Apple is behind Windows in pretty much every aspect.
If you're a simple person that doesn't wanna learn how their product works at all and also has very deep pockets, go with Apple
If you want to learn how the product you use pretty much every day, learn to fix the problems yourself, and overall educate yourself, Windows is for you
@shewolfen1 Specs of my PC? i7 OCed to 3.8GHz, 16GB 1600MHz, 2TB HDD 7200RPM, nVidia GTX 560Ti 1GB GPU. Total price < $1000
And the only way that Apple is anything like Ferrari is the fact that as soon as something goes wrong, very few people know how to work on it. Non-Apple PCs are more like Nissan, they have cars for a budget, but they also have cars that'll outperform just about anything on the road.
And apple innovation is non-existent, they just take things from Linux and call it theirs
@AnimalCrossingFor3DS Well not really... They were the first ones to have personal computer with a GUI, but the title for first personal computer actually belongs to the Simon (no not the game machine).I'll give you that the Apple II from 1977 was the first one that did well, but the Simon was first released for personal sale in 1950
@wilhamlin The fact that Apple has brought features to Unix Kernel and improved them to be virtually bug free, and the way they have actually created new features such as a dock, exposé, instant search. A lot of things are taken from Linux by all companies, but that's what happens when the code is open source. Darwin, the Kernel for OSX is open source. You can download it from Apple because. . . well it's free. They don't claim anything if they didn't make it. But they do tout improvement.
@wilhamlin Ignorant noob. How about having a look at the thousands of patent Apple has and actually learning a bit more about there products before posting bullcrap. Plus macs don't need ridiculous specs like your PC as Mac OS X runs just fine with half the specs of crappy, greedy Wincrap 7.
@jvpython "Plus macs don't need ridiculous specs like your PC as Mac OS X runs just fine with half the specs of crappy, greedy Wincrap 7."
Really? Is that why my PC can out pace an equally spec'd Mac? Is that why my PC, on Windows 7 Professional, never goes above 4% CPU or 10% RAM useage when on idle?
I love how you just spouted out unfounded rhetoric with out so much as an iota of proof.
@drawesome555 That doesn't have solid state storage, it has a desktop OS which didnt work well, the screen is resistive (no multitouch), and it is a brick. It would've cost $2000+.
Apple doesn't invent things, but they did improve the tablet. And if you dont believe that they did, then take a look at what happened after the iPad. A truckload of Android tablets and a Windows tablet-focused OS based on Windows Phone's Metro which was made because of iOS. Just Google "iPhone prompted Windows Phon"
@wilhamlin wow... You have a shitty graphics card compared to your processor. And also 16gb is overkill. And even more you should get a ssd drive it would make your pc much faster.
@Somethingcrappy The 560 Ti really isn't that bad of a card. Not the "latest and greatest" but it does the job sufficiently well. My big problem with SSDs at the moment, is the fact that they tend to be more unstable for my taste. They may be fast, but with my experience they can overheat and then you loose everything
@wilhamlin good ssd's dont overheat. Maybe OCZ or corsair crash but for example intel's and samsung's are very stable and good. And 3 560 ti's are going to create a lot of heat so your computer will probably melt. :P
@Somethingcrappy I'm not really worring about my computer melting. The airflow is just about as perfect as it can get. But I may get an SSD the next time I build a new computer, when the price per GB goes down a bit
@LukiXS2 Well first of all, my PC booted up quicker than every Mac I've put it up against. And secondly, boot speed is not indicative of... well anything really. I still have a commodore 64 from ages ago, and it'll boot up in 10 seconds, that doesn't mean it's any kind of super computer.
i dont say all systems. Just the average boot times of Windows systems.
When did i say that boot up time is performance?
a Mac has not the same power as an same priced windows system. But a mac still goes faster in all Programms which run on its hardware. If you work with an mac you will never have to wait as long to start some software as you do on a windows system.
@LukiXS2 I have owned a Mac and I have OS X running on an older laptop. in all of my experiences with Mac, it bottlenecks due to the lackluster hardware. There is honestly nothing objectively superior about OS X compared to about any modern OS
@Pikipii You can search just about anywhere on the web for things Apple has nicked from other places. Now simply taking something isn't that bad, but when users take every implementation as "revolutionary", then it becomes annoying and a problem. And in response to the skaterguy comment, on the Apple site the highest you can go is $18,337, Mac pro with 1 monitor and everything maxed. But when you look at the specs, it still isn't impressive given the price
@Pikipii But Apple perpetuates (and the users help perpetuate as well) that every thing that they do is the best thing since sliced bread and that there is nothing else like it. I think the worst recently has been the introduction of Siri
@wilhamlin I believe the reason people praise Apple so much is because, there is no other company that makes products especially like they do. Apple always tries to give the best quality and put new things in their devices. I guess it's the uniqueness in their products.
@Pikipii Well the biggest problem I have with that idea is that it's not the best quality hardware for a price that's equal or greater than the highest quality. I'll give them that their computers looks neat (as in clean) but that isn't always the best. When you buy an Apple, you pay a premium for an OS that isn't really any better, and in some aspects, performs even worse
@wilhamlin Well of course, the OS you choose is pretty much what you want to do on a computer and how you want to do it. I choose Macintosh because, I prefer how the applications operate.
@Pikipii How the applications operate? You mean the same as with Windows? Because there really isn't a difference at all. If you like the look and feel of OS X, there are ways to get Windows the same way for a fraction of the price. Personally I've always found the OS X interface to be pretty clunky
@Pikipii You may want to try Windows on a Computer that isn't from a cookie cutter batch of several hundred. Performance, customizability, everything you could possibly want
@odstderek The motherboard on a Mac (logic board) is essentially the same as most motherboards with the exception that you don't get any choice in your mobo. Refined design? You mean putting parts that are meant for laptops and putting them in a desktop making them less powerful than they could be? And if you want efficiency, go with Linux or DOS even, if you want to use essentially any program out there, Windows is for you
@wilhamlin the MBs are very well designed. yeah, you can't pick any one you want, but they're still really damn good. the Mac Pro may not have the best graphics card or the fastest clock speed on the memory, it's not designed for gaming which is what people cares about. they're optimized for video encoding. which they're very good at. and in the way of efficiency, the microkernel Mac OS uses is extremely efficient, the memory footprint is small.
Generally mac users think that they need to segregate the different functions of a device into different devices, so to read a book they use an iPad, to make a call they use an iPhone, to do 'computer' based apps they use their Mac, to do the same on the move they use their laptop, to play games they use a console. In my opinion that's retarded and ends up costing you way more money, but what can you do, mac users are retarded.
@slyspy70 You don't know how to spell, do you? It's funny because these idiotic commercials from Apple stopped once Windows 7 came out did you notice? It's also funny that Macs have started getting better but you dumbass mac users don't know how to use antivirus software. In the end, Apple is a horrible company. Can you even upgrade a macs internal components.....no.
@wtfsaywat 1. we don't need to upgrade hardware: i have the same mac for 6 years and it still run better than a new windows. 2. have you tried a mac? i was like you but when i switched to mac i realized that its WAY better than any windows out there. 3. we don't know how to use an antivirus software because we DON'T NEED IT
@wilasco2 Which one plays Crysis better? Which one is used more in the proffessional work place, like engineering for example? Also, Macs have started getting viruses, so that fantasy of yours where macs do not get viruses is over, sorry.
@wtfsaywat Yeah, we're starting getting viruses, ok. But I repeat: I've never had any problems with viruses. And Crysis? Congrats, you can play a shitty game on your pc. At least I won't need to format my computer or upgrade my RAM to 8GB.
@wilasco2 When the time comes to upgrade your mac, you'll just throw it out and buy a new one right? I laugh at how you try to dismiss Crysis as a shitty game, you are just using that as an excuse because you know that macs cant play any games in general unless it is solitaer:) In myy whole life I have never formatted my computer, because there was NO NEED. Besides haven't you heard of backing up your data?
@gottalovecali99 I don't know anything about Windows 8. But I can guarantee it's not better than a Mac. That argument of Microsoft fanboys that "MAC DOESN'T HAVE GAMES" it's over. Mac has as many games as Windows does. But if you want to play a GAME (like GTA IV, for example) buy a PS3 or a XBOX. PCs are not made to play, they're made to work and have fun. If you have fun playing games, PS3/XBOX is your solution, not a PC. And finally, we have Office AND iWork, which is way better than Office.
@wilasco2 So you do not know anything about Window 8, but you somehow know that it is not as good as a mac? First of all since you have not tried it, how are you in any position to judge it based on a mac? Secondly, a mac is a computer, windows 8 is an OS if you even know what that means, so there is no common sense in comparing those 2 at all. Based on what you said, I am going to judge that there is a very likely possibility that you could be an illiterate Apple Fanboy-_-
@wtfsaywat I was talking about Mac OS, not the computer. The computers are almost the same, the difference is the OS. I told that things because I tried BOTH OSs and I can relate that Mac > Windows. Although, it depends on what you do with your PC. For example, I don't like gaming on PC, I prefer doing it with my PS3. As I can see, you like playing a lot. You buy a computer based on your needs. My case, Mac. Your case, Windows. Let's stop fighting, we won't get anywhere with this. Peace.
@wtfsaywat Ah, and we're both starting to use idiot arguments ("shitty game", I admit it's not lol, and "mac is a computer, windows 8 is an OS", come on). Let's be honest, we buy what we want. You buy a Windows, I buy a Mac. Let's stop this stupid fight. I'm starting to look like a fanboy ._.
@gottalovecali99 Think what you want, I admit that Windows has some great things that a Mac doesn't, but considering everything I do at my computer, I prefer a Mac. I tried both OSs. You look like someone that never tried a Mac. Try it. I used Windows my whole life, now I switched to Mac and I like it more than I like Windows. Stop being a fanboy. Peace.
@gottalovecali99 I like Mac more, you bitch. Fuck you get back to your Pirate Bay downloaded Windows 7 and fuck yourself. I have the best computer in the world, with the best OS, every fuckin professional says that now GTFO, fuckin fanboy, go suck Bill Gates' balls.
@gottalovecali99 Cmon don't just came with that idiot argument "It's because of you people why I won't buy a Mac" because I was here, I stopped fighting and you came and started fighting back, so shut the fuck up, I was in peace with all other Windows users, YOU STARTED THE FUCKIN IDIOT FIGHT
@gottalovecali99 Seriously, if you have your life to live, why are you here so? I was in perfect peace with other users, and you started fighting. I'm sorry if I offended you, I was just defending myself. Peace.
@latinoalex5 And again, I'm trying to stop fighting and another fanboy come here. I'll try to be polite: Could you PLEASE stop fighting? We're not going anywhere with this. I don't care if you prefer Microsoft or not, I care if someone starts fighting me. If you start fighting me, I'll fight back. I'm on a Mac, you're on a Windows. End of the story, period.
@wilhamlin every professional i went said that. i mean, maybe there're some professionals that prefer windows. some macs are overpriced, yes, but some aren't. i mean, they're expensive, but it worth, really. don't wanna fight again, if we're going to discuss, let's discuss it pacifically.
@shewolfen1... you do realize how bad you've made yourself look. Not that you should care, but as someone who owns Apple products, your responses seems a bit zealous and inaccurate to say the least. Not to mention you sound a bit like you're socio-economically bigoted.
@NGUpremier -- Correction: Macs are BECOMING professional machines for businesses that want reliability, durability, etc. Mind you, no business in the US is going to shift to using Apple's office suite. Microsoft's is just easier to use (or at least more familiar). That said, @wtfsaywat is absolutely right in saying that engineers probably won't use Macs...if they're computer engineers. They know more about computers, so they don't need all the user friendliness of a mac.
Macintosh is for professionals. You PC fans just don't seem to get it. We have reliability, feature ability, quality programs, durable design, quality hardware, quality screens, quality keyboards and mouses. You have...Games. If Gaming justifies purchasing a $1000 hunk of plastic that will die in 3 years, be my guest. If you want quality, spend the extra $800 and get something that will last more than 5 years, and not only that, but can be re-sold for a high value. Meaning they are CHEAPER.
@NGUpremier Thats why you see more pc's in the proffessional work place like engineering for example. Walk into any engineering company and you will see pc's.
You're an illiterate
You're grammar sucks
Get an education
What the fuck is "feature ability", feature of what?\
@NGUpremier Thats why you wrote a WHOLE paragraph about how PC are worthless and Macs are superior right? You just solidified why you're an illiterate but now you are a bigot also.
@wtfsaywat I can safely say that we both failed on our parts. You are an illiterate is not a sentence. Your an illiterate is not a sentence. I meant to type you're. Now calm yourself.
@NGUpremier I am calm, but actually You are an illiterate would actually be a sentence, expanding on that it would be a simple sentence. Because it contains the verb "are" and the subject "you" . The definition of a simple sentence is a sentence that contains one verb and one subject.
@Irandill Wow, you must be an illiterate. I never said that the word illiterate was the noun or subject of the sentence. Here is what I DID say:"You are an illiterate would actually be a sentence, expanding on that it would be a simple sentence. Because it contains the VERB "ARE" and the SUBJECT "YOU". Since I said the subject was You it would also be the noun of the sentence. I don't know where you got the idea that I said illiterate was a noun from-_- You fail at almost everything you do.
@wtfsaywat "Wow, you must be an illiterate." - Right there. What you said. You implied that illiterate is a noun by placing "an" before it. "You are an illiterate" is a grammatically incorrect sentence, and as such does not qualify as one. I don't think you fully understand what a noun is, especially if you think that the word 'you' is a noun.
@Irandill My mistake "you is actually a pronoun. However it is grammatically correct to use the sentence "You are an illiterate." If you look up illiterate on any online dictionary yes, illiterate is an adjective, but it can also be used as a noun. Example:"an illiterate group." It can also be used as an adjective. Example:"He is musically illiterate." In the end, however you want to emphasis the fact that illiterate can not be used as a noun contrary to what is in a dictionary.
@wtfsaywat -.- I really shouldn't be bothering with this. Just because the word pronoun ends in the suffix '-noun' does not in any way mean it has the same meaning to the word noun. In your example illiterate is being used as an adjective, like normal - the 'group' is the noun. Seriously, learn some grammar, please. Your post is littered with grammatical errors.
@Irandill Since we somehow can not use illiterate in the context of a noun contrary to what a dictionary says, here is a revised sentence: "You are educationally illiterate." In this sentence "illiterate" is used as an adjective.
I don't think you are familiar with the fact that adjectives can be used as nouns and vice versa.
@wtfsaywat I'm just going to stop now. Adjectives cannot be universally interchanged with nouns, regardless of what you say. Otherwise I could call you 'a happy' or 'a silly'.
@Irandill It seems that it is not clicking for you. You can use an adjective as a noun, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME WORD!!!!!! Type: "Can you use an adjective as a noun?" in Google and you will get your answer along with a more detailed explanation than the one I am giving now. Have you heard of something called a dictionary? It is sad to see that you live under the misconception that you "know" grammar, where as what you post tells otherwise. However, I digress.
@shewolfen1 You're right, HOW DARE I take my required medical leave. I should be working 24/7 no matter what! (and you're one to be talking about unempoyment)
@shewolfen1 wow, you really are thick lady. but I guess when you're 51 and you're so ugly that not even lesbians on a dating site want to sleep with you, you start to get bitter don't you. And tell me, how can you afford a Mac (let alone a BMW or a Lexus) when you're unemployed? Oh, let me guess, I paid for it with my taxes didn't I? You know what, why don't you do something useful and get a job (maybe then you'd be able to afford to leave Montana)
@shewolfen1 You know you keep saying that it's Windows fault, which it really isn't seeing as THEY DON'T MAKE HARDWARE, but you seem to keep forgetting that Apple had as much of a hand in it as everyone else
@shewolfen1 well just to name a few brands of hardware, Supermicro makes motherboards right here in the US, Microns make memory in Idaho, Most ATI GPU's are made in Canada, and there are alot more for every piece of hardwae you need. And something funny I just found out, Apple products are made in the same factory and by the same people who make ASUS computers. And of course it's Microsofts fault that China is rich, it has nothing to do with any other product that's made in china
@shewolfen1 Not all PCs are made in China, but every Apple product is. Using your logic, Apple made China richer than any computer manufacturer to date. And the reason the Army opted for HTC, is because THEY AREN'T made in China you dipstick. Most are here in the US. That and the fact that iOS is easier to hack into than any other smartphone on the market.
@shewolfen1 Well considering it isn't the Army's job to pay their vets makes your argument invalid. but what your saying is that it's part Apples fault that the US owes China so much money? thanks Steve Jobs haha
@shewolfen1 Hey, wanna know something funny? The Army is making a huge deal with HTC to issue phones to soldiers. But Apple was never an option, because they're cheap quality and made in china. hell even the army knows that you overpay for your "loyalty". And in all honesty, Apple isn't the status symbol you make it out to be, because anyone can get one. Apple is more like DeLoreans were. Really expensive for a shiny case
@shewolfen1 Well i really don't need to convince people, considering that 93% of the computers in the world run Windows, not OSX. Alot of people (except for the very special people like you) already know that Macs are very poor value for their money
They're the same thing
SharpFPShooter 1 day ago
my 2500$ pc workstation specs = ultimate - 32gb of quad channel 2000mhz ram - asus extreme rampage 4 - 3960x cpu oc'ed to 4.8Ghz watercooled with the H100 - ATI Radeon 7970 - HAF X case - 5 160gb SSDs in RAID10 + 2 500gb 10000rpm raid0(btw windows boots in like half a sec :D) and a blueray burnner...if i were to build this computer on apple.com 7Grand +
skaterguy1423 1 week ago
@skaterguy1423 I think the highest you could get on Apple's website is $5000.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii HAHAHAHAHAHA...go look....
skaterguy1423 6 days ago
@skaterguy1423 Oh yeah, on apple.com. I thought you meant from other shopping sites.
Pikipii 6 days ago
owned and Iphone back when it first came to AT&T wireless and also got one when it came to Verizon.was not impressed either time.only upshot for AT&T was being able to browse the interwebs while on the phone(can't do that on Verizon btw)mainly used for it's Ipod function.eventually got rid of both and got a 32 gb Ipod touch and droid.the battery even though i didn't have any apps other then the bloatware that comes preinstalled only lasted 11 hours max.will not get another one as in EVER!
lockecole21 1 week ago
ACTUALLY THIS IS REAL
TheLimetti 2 weeks ago
HAHAHHAHAHAHHA Thats so funny
shallonjade 2 weeks ago
check out my mac vs pc! in our one pc is better :D
Tvanom 1 month ago
lol at the nerdrage war about mac vs pc
xtr3k1d 1 month ago
@xtr3k1d More like nerds vs stupid hipsters
latinoalex5 1 month ago
i preffer to get an iPod touch and download myfreindcaller.
thelegoplumbers62 1 month ago 2
@thelegoplumbers62 i prefer to get my nokia n81 a new batttery and repair its moulding myself and have a decent phone for 200LT>
eivis13 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Agreed. There is no way all these people are somehow getting monsters of machines they claim to get for under 1,000 dollars. Good machine is always 900 or more. Even I would not recommend a Mac Mini.
rifall 1 month ago
fake!
ultimatepoketrainer7 1 month ago
This is fake but realistic and funny. Thimbs up!
WinXPwhiz 1 month ago 11
@shewolfen1 Well, I'm just going to point this out right now-
I'm no fanboy of PC's or Macs because I own and love both. I also own an iPhone 4, 4S, iPad 1, and 2. I also own numerous Androids. I'm no fan of either. They're all great devices and I respect the creators. You're the annoying one here, talking with all caps and being a fail troll. But it's fun to feed trolls, because it gives me a good laugh. So please, keep talking. It's entertaining.
Killerdude240 1 month ago
Wow the only good mac ad....
Piezipx 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Just please, shut up. You're annoying, and nobody wants to listen to your bad grammar and overuse of caps.
Killerdude240 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 If you believe that Macs are "virus-free" then where's your proof? Is it an Apple commercial, it probably is. According to both Cnet and Mcafee, the amount of viruses are at an all time high, and are increasing at a rate of ~10% a MONTH. I personally am glad that you use Mac, that way your stupidity will reflect on the Apple community and not the Windows/Linux communities.
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@wilhamlin Also according to Cnet, many viruses are being spued out as new devistating threats to try to scare mac users back into the PC world, when in reality, every 'new' virus that comes out was actually written years ago. There might be 5 or 6 viruses for macintosh, but the success rate is little to none, and there has never been a mac-virus-spreading epidemic like there has been for Windows viruses spreading through the internet.
rifall 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 But you see I have owned and used a Mac, and it isn't worth the ludicrous price. And as for "luxury" cars, it's only worth it if you feel the need to show off to people. People like you who are buying things just to buy them and show off are the reason the American economy is in shambles right now.
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 And with you being the prime example of an Apple Fanboy, why would I pretend to be an ignorant moron such as yourself?
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 you realize iOS and OS X are different right? probably not, you don't really seem to know anything. But no, Apple isn't 100% virus free, and with it's lack of built-in security, it's even more susceptible than Windows. Did you know your Mac can be hacked in 10 seconds? of course you didn't. Did you know that the record time for hacking into Windows 7 is several hours
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@wilhamlin Lack of built in security? Look up Launchd and then tell me what's insecure. Unlike Windows, which keeps system files for programs and the OS in the same unstructured and unorganized folder (system32), Mac keeps its OS system files sacred and separate and demand 3rd party programs supply manpages which ensure the program is supposed to be a program and supply checksums which tell the OS the files are supposed to be there and they're written correctly. Windows? Insecure as fuck.
rifall 1 month ago
@rifall If I were you, I wouldn't brag about the security of Mac OS versus Windows. Pwn2Own, for the last 3-4 years running, has shown a Mac OS to always be the first one to be hacked remotely. Usually through a 0-day exploit or through a 2nd day exploit in Safari.
The time it normally takes to find such an exploit? About 2 weeks.
For Windows through IE, it takes about a month to find a similar exploit.
Mac OSX is, as proven, far less secure than Windows7, filing system be damned.
AndrewDeLong 4 weeks ago
@AndrewDeLong The only thing People have been able to do with a mac is take it over. What the hell can you do from there? Macintosh is also finding more exploits because they have much better security experts cracking round the clock. Pwn2own is a non-sense competition that will accept any remote access as dangerous to give away thousands of dollars to any security junkie. Pwn2own is not to be taken as the truth.
rifall 3 weeks ago
@rifall What can they do from there? They have been able to successfully infiltrate a Mac by merely having someone VISIT a website, no clicking needed. After that, they gain full access to the system, they can access folders and even write data to the hard drive. They can do damn well anything they please.
Pwn2Own is the very type of competition that companies like Apple & Microsoft rely on to keep them up to date about security holes.
Not to be taken seriously? Tell that to Apple.
AndrewDeLong 3 weeks ago
cont @rifall
Your problem is, you're trying to downplay the importance of a competition like Pwn2Own, and call the participants "security junkies." These are the very people whose efforts Apple, MS, Google, and others rely on. These are the professionals that, instead of Hacking your ass or mine, seek to protect it. And you idly sit by and claim it to be overrated?
Then you need to tell Apple and any other OS provider to stop paying attention to Pwn2Own.
Seriously...
AndrewDeLong 3 weeks ago
@AndrewDeLong Apple and Microsoft depend on their own security experts, not a 2 minute exploit at a competition that somebody came prepared to do. It's not a quickness competition, it's a "who came with good hacks" competition. I might as well do the same exploit at Pwn2own next year and claim my 50,000 dollars.
rifall 3 weeks ago
@rifall actually, a Zero-day exploit on a major OS garners $15,000. As for those two minute Hacks, the people that find them are usually 1 person or a team of three working for several weeks to find security holes so obscure that those so called "experts" at MS and Apple can't even detect them. And the exploits usually end up being rather big.
Again, one exploit in Apple's OSX/Safari allowed for full remote control with a mere website VISIT.
That's hardly insignificant.
AndrewDeLong 3 weeks ago
@AndrewDeLong Wow, a full takeover. That's just about the equivalent of using Remote Desktop. You cannot make any critical changes since you don't have the administrator password. The most you can do is look through their files and maybe delete and application or two. Wait, you need a password to do that too. So unless you have a super quick hack to get the password or root the system, you're powerless. And what's this? A power button to shut it down. Real scary.
Noob.
rifall 3 weeks ago
@rifall Wow, full remote access. The average Apple user is too stupid to even employ a password for documents. They usually just mark them as read only, which is well enough to copy down any important information, and without the user's knowing so.
How in the hell would one know to shut off their machine, if the only thing that the hacker is doing is copying all of your information in the background?
Noob? I suggest you use a mirror next time you employ such an infantile insult.
AndrewDeLong 3 weeks ago
@AndrewDeLong Again, nothing serious or potentially dangerous can happen without the user's permission. This includes background processes. Just about every account of user stupidity is accounted for. And what asshole is writing down their own personal data on to a word document on their computer? Files like those are kept in a file cabinet, even by complete idiots.
rifall 3 weeks ago
@rifall Then you and I know different idiots.
Again, we're talking about a security hole that allows initial access into the OS. Do you honestly thing that any hacker worth his salt is just going to stop at basic access? Not likely. Gaining admin access is a hop and a skip for people like that.
It's just a simple matter of gaining access to the root shell.
The average Mac user doesn't even know how to prevent that, short of power down the system. That's assuming they detect it
AndrewDeLong 3 weeks ago
@shewolfen1 I literally haven't had any of the problems that you just listed. And I have owned a Mac, and it gave me so many problems such as random data loss, random restarts, slowing down after a couple hours of use, freezing, crashes, kernel panics, VIRUSES, malware, trojans and much more
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 My eyes are open, perhaps you should open yours. if you did you'll see Macs aren't worth what you pay for. Older parts, no built in security features, lack of software available, growing number of viruses, HUGE pricetag for no reason. There just isn't a reason to own a Mac unless you just really wanna be a hipster
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Well considering I don't own a Kia I'm not really sure where you pulled that out of. I drive a Nissan, but I have driven Mercedes, Lexus, etc. and their "non-luxury" counterparts, which perform as good if not better. Which is the same for my computer, it's not a Mac, but will beat any Mac in a benchmark test. (also I don't us a Dell, I have an older one but I don't use it anymore)
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Most of the time, the "luxury" cars don't bring any extra to the table except for their logo. And i've already told you the price and specs of my computer (which will beat any Mac on a benchmark test and in pretty much every factor)
wilhamlin 1 month ago
It's funny how people call us Mac users "mindless zombies" and "iSheep", but really they are being the sheep. They turn their backs completely on anything made by Apple, when it turns out that 80% of all Mac users have either a Windows computer in their home, or they have Windows installed on their Mac via Bootcamp or Parallels. Hypocrites.
AnimalCrossingFor3DS 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Actually I just thought of a more accurate car analogy.
Lexus (Mac) and Toyota (PC)
They're both made by the same company, in the same factory, by the same people, using the same parts. The only difference being that one puts a different logo on it and charges more. Actually this can be used for several companies.
Chevy and GMC
Nissan and Infiniti
Honda and Acura
Ford and Lincoln, Jaguar, and Land Rover
You get the point
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 You've already said that... word for word... twice. Aluminum is, alright, BUT there is materials much better suited for heat dissipation.
Face it, Apple is behind Windows in pretty much every aspect.
If you're a simple person that doesn't wanna learn how their product works at all and also has very deep pockets, go with Apple
If you want to learn how the product you use pretty much every day, learn to fix the problems yourself, and overall educate yourself, Windows is for you
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Do you work for Apple?
marxvlog 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 Specs of my PC? i7 OCed to 3.8GHz, 16GB 1600MHz, 2TB HDD 7200RPM, nVidia GTX 560Ti 1GB GPU. Total price < $1000
And the only way that Apple is anything like Ferrari is the fact that as soon as something goes wrong, very few people know how to work on it. Non-Apple PCs are more like Nissan, they have cars for a budget, but they also have cars that'll outperform just about anything on the road.
And apple innovation is non-existent, they just take things from Linux and call it theirs
wilhamlin 1 month ago 14
@wilhamlin You do realize Apple made the first Personal Computer, right?
AnimalCrossingFor3DS 1 month ago
@AnimalCrossingFor3DS Well not really... They were the first ones to have personal computer with a GUI, but the title for first personal computer actually belongs to the Simon (no not the game machine).I'll give you that the Apple II from 1977 was the first one that did well, but the Simon was first released for personal sale in 1950
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@wilhamlin some troll needs to get his facts straight.
rifall 1 month ago
@rifall And which facts are you referring to?
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@wilhamlin The fact that Apple has brought features to Unix Kernel and improved them to be virtually bug free, and the way they have actually created new features such as a dock, exposé, instant search. A lot of things are taken from Linux by all companies, but that's what happens when the code is open source. Darwin, the Kernel for OSX is open source. You can download it from Apple because. . . well it's free. They don't claim anything if they didn't make it. But they do tout improvement.
rifall 1 month ago
@wilhamlin Ignorant noob. How about having a look at the thousands of patent Apple has and actually learning a bit more about there products before posting bullcrap. Plus macs don't need ridiculous specs like your PC as Mac OS X runs just fine with half the specs of crappy, greedy Wincrap 7.
jvpython 1 month ago
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@jvpython "Plus macs don't need ridiculous specs like your PC as Mac OS X runs just fine with half the specs of crappy, greedy Wincrap 7."
Really? Is that why my PC can out pace an equally spec'd Mac? Is that why my PC, on Windows 7 Professional, never goes above 4% CPU or 10% RAM useage when on idle?
I love how you just spouted out unfounded rhetoric with out so much as an iota of proof.
Typical Mac user.
AndrewDeLong 4 weeks ago
@wilhamlin Apple takes things from linux? Now I've heard it all.
cjschrisAU 3 weeks ago
@cjschrisAU Well, you can't name anything that Apple "came up" with themselves that was not implemented in either Linux or Windows first.
wilhamlin 3 weeks ago
@wilhamlin Bootcamp.
insecur 2 weeks ago
@insecur Dual booting and OS virtualization is nothing new to PC's. Just because Apple gives it a different name doesn't mean it's new
wilhamlin 2 weeks ago
@wilhamlin itunes
insecur 2 weeks ago
@insecur Really? A media player? Perhaps you should think about what all of these programs are before you roll your face on your keyboard again.
wilhamlin 2 weeks ago
@wilhamlin and that is so true
drawesome555 1 week ago
@cjschrisAU also, to prove wilhamlin's point even further, tinypic.com/r/380vo/5
drawesome555 1 week ago
@drawesome555 That doesn't have solid state storage, it has a desktop OS which didnt work well, the screen is resistive (no multitouch), and it is a brick. It would've cost $2000+.
Apple doesn't invent things, but they did improve the tablet. And if you dont believe that they did, then take a look at what happened after the iPad. A truckload of Android tablets and a Windows tablet-focused OS based on Windows Phone's Metro which was made because of iOS. Just Google "iPhone prompted Windows Phon"
cjschrisAU 1 week ago
@wilhamlin finally someone fucking gets it, are we brothers?
fanofsongs 1 week ago
@fanofsongs Perhaps :D
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin wow... You have a shitty graphics card compared to your processor. And also 16gb is overkill. And even more you should get a ssd drive it would make your pc much faster.
Somethingcrappy 1 week ago
@Somethingcrappy The 560 Ti really isn't that bad of a card. Not the "latest and greatest" but it does the job sufficiently well. My big problem with SSDs at the moment, is the fact that they tend to be more unstable for my taste. They may be fast, but with my experience they can overheat and then you loose everything
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin good ssd's dont overheat. Maybe OCZ or corsair crash but for example intel's and samsung's are very stable and good. And 3 560 ti's are going to create a lot of heat so your computer will probably melt. :P
Also I have asus's 560 ti myself
Somethingcrappy 1 week ago
@Somethingcrappy I'm not really worring about my computer melting. The airflow is just about as perfect as it can get. But I may get an SSD the next time I build a new computer, when the price per GB goes down a bit
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@Somethingcrappy And not to mention that since the time I posted those specs, I've gotten 2 more for a 3-way SLI config.
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin
But it still needs twice as much time to boot xD
the little things in life, make the difference.
LukiXS2 1 week ago
@LukiXS2 Well first of all, my PC booted up quicker than every Mac I've put it up against. And secondly, boot speed is not indicative of... well anything really. I still have a commodore 64 from ages ago, and it'll boot up in 10 seconds, that doesn't mean it's any kind of super computer.
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin
look at all the videos which show th boot times of macs and equal windows systems.
Windows is slower.
I use both systems. A Mac has just the better performance.
LukiXS2 1 week ago
@LukiXS2 so, once again, you're assuming 2 things. 1. All PC systems are the same and start up slow, and
2. Boot up time = performance
Neither of which are true.
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin
i dont say all systems. Just the average boot times of Windows systems.
When did i say that boot up time is performance?
a Mac has not the same power as an same priced windows system. But a mac still goes faster in all Programms which run on its hardware. If you work with an mac you will never have to wait as long to start some software as you do on a windows system.
LukiXS2 1 week ago
@LukiXS2 I have owned a Mac and I have OS X running on an older laptop. in all of my experiences with Mac, it bottlenecks due to the lackluster hardware. There is honestly nothing objectively superior about OS X compared to about any modern OS
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin I've tried Ubuntu, and I don't really see anything Apple would steal from them.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii Well lets take a look
-In OS "appstore" has been in versions of Linux since the 90's
-full screen apps, been in Windows and Linux for ages
-visual list of all programs- available in Linux for some time
-the dock was available on several other OSs before apple
The list just goes on and on.
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin I'll have to check up on that. I recall going to a store application on Ubuntu and it didn't seem as integrated as Apple's store.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii You can search just about anywhere on the web for things Apple has nicked from other places. Now simply taking something isn't that bad, but when users take every implementation as "revolutionary", then it becomes annoying and a problem. And in response to the skaterguy comment, on the Apple site the highest you can go is $18,337, Mac pro with 1 monitor and everything maxed. But when you look at the specs, it still isn't impressive given the price
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin Maybe not "revolutionary", but the experience is new on different OS's.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii But Apple perpetuates (and the users help perpetuate as well) that every thing that they do is the best thing since sliced bread and that there is nothing else like it. I think the worst recently has been the introduction of Siri
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin I believe the reason people praise Apple so much is because, there is no other company that makes products especially like they do. Apple always tries to give the best quality and put new things in their devices. I guess it's the uniqueness in their products.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii Well the biggest problem I have with that idea is that it's not the best quality hardware for a price that's equal or greater than the highest quality. I'll give them that their computers looks neat (as in clean) but that isn't always the best. When you buy an Apple, you pay a premium for an OS that isn't really any better, and in some aspects, performs even worse
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin Well of course, the OS you choose is pretty much what you want to do on a computer and how you want to do it. I choose Macintosh because, I prefer how the applications operate.
Pikipii 1 week ago
@Pikipii How the applications operate? You mean the same as with Windows? Because there really isn't a difference at all. If you like the look and feel of OS X, there are ways to get Windows the same way for a fraction of the price. Personally I've always found the OS X interface to be pretty clunky
wilhamlin 1 week ago
@wilhamlin Well I've used Windows 7 a lot at my school, and I still prefer using my Mac. Between Microsoft and Apple, I believe more in Apple.
Pikipii 6 days ago
@Pikipii You may want to try Windows on a Computer that isn't from a cookie cutter batch of several hundred. Performance, customizability, everything you could possibly want
wilhamlin 5 days ago
@wilhamlin Are you trying to like, turn me into Windows or something? I'm not saying Windows is bad, I just like Apple better.
Pikipii 5 days ago
@shewolfen1 Dont forget that fancy picture of an Apple on it. I mean, you pay like $500-1000 MORE just to get that.
wilhamlin 1 month ago 6
@wilhamlin Do not exaggerate. You not only pay for the apple. You pay also for the fancy shape of the chassis.
MithranArkanere 1 month ago
@wilhamlin you pay more to get a logic board that isn't shit, a refined design, and oh yeah and operating system that isn't criminally ineffecient
odstderek 1 month ago
@odstderek The motherboard on a Mac (logic board) is essentially the same as most motherboards with the exception that you don't get any choice in your mobo. Refined design? You mean putting parts that are meant for laptops and putting them in a desktop making them less powerful than they could be? And if you want efficiency, go with Linux or DOS even, if you want to use essentially any program out there, Windows is for you
wilhamlin 1 month ago
@wilhamlin the MBs are very well designed. yeah, you can't pick any one you want, but they're still really damn good. the Mac Pro may not have the best graphics card or the fastest clock speed on the memory, it's not designed for gaming which is what people cares about. they're optimized for video encoding. which they're very good at. and in the way of efficiency, the microkernel Mac OS uses is extremely efficient, the memory footprint is small.
I have several OSs. Mac OS impresses me the most.
odstderek 1 month ago
@odstderek You made me chuckle slightly.
eventfularse 1 month ago
@shewolfen1 your argument is invalid
EntrailSaunders 2 months ago
Well, I only stick to my windows. =) No offense guys.
uaw0782 2 months ago
Don't forget the iPod shuffle, the iPod classic, the iPod nano and the iPad.
And the iMac.
drwhoeffect 2 months ago
hahahahahhahA
TechnoHacker100 2 months ago
This is brilliant!
thekeyring 2 months ago 12
Cool editing!
Thetechguy2000 2 months ago 12
So fucking true.
friedmanism2 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat God :)
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Just yakking ya :-D There is no God ;)
4izm0v 2 months ago
i just came here to see the fights about macs and windows
MrMrTacos 2 months ago
I hate my mac....imma gonna get myself a pc!
xtromatic 2 months ago
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Generally mac users think that they need to segregate the different functions of a device into different devices, so to read a book they use an iPad, to make a call they use an iPhone, to do 'computer' based apps they use their Mac, to do the same on the move they use their laptop, to play games they use a console. In my opinion that's retarded and ends up costing you way more money, but what can you do, mac users are retarded.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
Clearly, the Apple market is designed for the mommy-pampered and snotty generation. Just because you have Apple, it doesn't mean you're rich.
MrBrutus101 2 months ago
@MrBrutus101 Exactly, have you noticed that these commercials stopped once Windows 7 came out?
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Yup. Win7 pretty much stomped on Apple. Notice that some people that own Mac installed win7 on their computers.
MrBrutus101 2 months ago
@MrBrutus101 I know that's the funny part. FUCK MICROSOFT...but i will still install windows 7 on my shitmac.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat I have mac, But you are just a fucking hater... Microsoft is a very good comany.. Just.. Apple is a little better XD
slyspy70 2 months ago
@slyspy70 You don't know how to spell, do you? It's funny because these idiotic commercials from Apple stopped once Windows 7 came out did you notice? It's also funny that Macs have started getting better but you dumbass mac users don't know how to use antivirus software. In the end, Apple is a horrible company. Can you even upgrade a macs internal components.....no.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Yes I can and I did.
4izm0v 2 months ago
@4izm0v who are you?
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat 1. we don't need to upgrade hardware: i have the same mac for 6 years and it still run better than a new windows. 2. have you tried a mac? i was like you but when i switched to mac i realized that its WAY better than any windows out there. 3. we don't know how to use an antivirus software because we DON'T NEED IT
PS: My mac has never been reinstalled in 6 years.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Which one plays Crysis better? Which one is used more in the proffessional work place, like engineering for example? Also, Macs have started getting viruses, so that fantasy of yours where macs do not get viruses is over, sorry.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Yeah, we're starting getting viruses, ok. But I repeat: I've never had any problems with viruses. And Crysis? Congrats, you can play a shitty game on your pc. At least I won't need to format my computer or upgrade my RAM to 8GB.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 When the time comes to upgrade your mac, you'll just throw it out and buy a new one right? I laugh at how you try to dismiss Crysis as a shitty game, you are just using that as an excuse because you know that macs cant play any games in general unless it is solitaer:) In myy whole life I have never formatted my computer, because there was NO NEED. Besides haven't you heard of backing up your data?
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Windows 8 has built in antivirus and Windows makes everything better especially autocorrect.
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 I don't know anything about Windows 8. But I can guarantee it's not better than a Mac. That argument of Microsoft fanboys that "MAC DOESN'T HAVE GAMES" it's over. Mac has as many games as Windows does. But if you want to play a GAME (like GTA IV, for example) buy a PS3 or a XBOX. PCs are not made to play, they're made to work and have fun. If you have fun playing games, PS3/XBOX is your solution, not a PC. And finally, we have Office AND iWork, which is way better than Office.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 So you do not know anything about Window 8, but you somehow know that it is not as good as a mac? First of all since you have not tried it, how are you in any position to judge it based on a mac? Secondly, a mac is a computer, windows 8 is an OS if you even know what that means, so there is no common sense in comparing those 2 at all. Based on what you said, I am going to judge that there is a very likely possibility that you could be an illiterate Apple Fanboy-_-
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat I was talking about Mac OS, not the computer. The computers are almost the same, the difference is the OS. I told that things because I tried BOTH OSs and I can relate that Mac > Windows. Although, it depends on what you do with your PC. For example, I don't like gaming on PC, I prefer doing it with my PS3. As I can see, you like playing a lot. You buy a computer based on your needs. My case, Mac. Your case, Windows. Let's stop fighting, we won't get anywhere with this. Peace.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Ah, and we're both starting to use idiot arguments ("shitty game", I admit it's not lol, and "mac is a computer, windows 8 is an OS", come on). Let's be honest, we buy what we want. You buy a Windows, I buy a Mac. Let's stop this stupid fight. I'm starting to look like a fanboy ._.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Indeed I agree:)
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Mac sucks. End of story
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 Think what you want, I admit that Windows has some great things that a Mac doesn't, but considering everything I do at my computer, I prefer a Mac. I tried both OSs. You look like someone that never tried a Mac. Try it. I used Windows my whole life, now I switched to Mac and I like it more than I like Windows. Stop being a fanboy. Peace.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 *fangirl..... o.O bitch get out. I have tried a Mac and I was disappointed (it was so over hyped) so IMO Window > Macs. That will be all.
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 I like Mac more, you bitch. Fuck you get back to your Pirate Bay downloaded Windows 7 and fuck yourself. I have the best computer in the world, with the best OS, every fuckin professional says that now GTFO, fuckin fanboy, go suck Bill Gates' balls.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 It's because of you people why I won't buy a Mac. I refuse to be associated with you. Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace. *fangirl.
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 Cmon don't just came with that idiot argument "It's because of you people why I won't buy a Mac" because I was here, I stopped fighting and you came and started fighting back, so shut the fuck up, I was in peace with all other Windows users, YOU STARTED THE FUCKIN IDIOT FIGHT
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 I'm not even going to waste my time fighting with someone who lives in there mother's basement. I have a life to live.
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 Seriously, if you have your life to live, why are you here so? I was in perfect peace with other users, and you started fighting. I'm sorry if I offended you, I was just defending myself. Peace.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Go suck Steve Job's dead balls you stupid macfag.
latinoalex5 2 months ago
@latinoalex5 And again, I'm trying to stop fighting and another fanboy come here. I'll try to be polite: Could you PLEASE stop fighting? We're not going anywhere with this. I don't care if you prefer Microsoft or not, I care if someone starts fighting me. If you start fighting me, I'll fight back. I'm on a Mac, you're on a Windows. End of the story, period.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@wilasco2 Every professional? Idk about that, just sounds like someone is trying to justify their overpriced computer
wilhamlin 2 months ago
@wilhamlin every professional i went said that. i mean, maybe there're some professionals that prefer windows. some macs are overpriced, yes, but some aren't. i mean, they're expensive, but it worth, really. don't wanna fight again, if we're going to discuss, let's discuss it pacifically.
wilasco2 2 months ago
@gottalovecali99 Fuck off. Fanboy.. Rocks. Bitch
slyspy70 2 months ago
@slyspy70 I AM A FANFREAKINGGIRL!!!! PLEASE DONE START ME UP.
gottalovecali99 2 months ago
@MrBrutus101 Of course. That way they can run anything they want.
thegreatcheesedemon 2 months ago
@thegreatcheesedemon Seriously I'm about to throw this unstable iMac out.
MrBrutus101 2 months ago
@shewolfen1... you do realize how bad you've made yourself look. Not that you should care, but as someone who owns Apple products, your responses seems a bit zealous and inaccurate to say the least. Not to mention you sound a bit like you're socio-economically bigoted.
jlwalker10 3 months ago
@NGUpremier -- Correction: Macs are BECOMING professional machines for businesses that want reliability, durability, etc. Mind you, no business in the US is going to shift to using Apple's office suite. Microsoft's is just easier to use (or at least more familiar). That said, @wtfsaywat is absolutely right in saying that engineers probably won't use Macs...if they're computer engineers. They know more about computers, so they don't need all the user friendliness of a mac.
But really, it's kool
jlwalker10 3 months ago
Macintosh is for professionals. You PC fans just don't seem to get it. We have reliability, feature ability, quality programs, durable design, quality hardware, quality screens, quality keyboards and mouses. You have...Games. If Gaming justifies purchasing a $1000 hunk of plastic that will die in 3 years, be my guest. If you want quality, spend the extra $800 and get something that will last more than 5 years, and not only that, but can be re-sold for a high value. Meaning they are CHEAPER.
NGUpremier 3 months ago
@NGUpremier Thats why you see more pc's in the proffessional work place like engineering for example. Walk into any engineering company and you will see pc's.
You're an illiterate
You're grammar sucks
Get an education
What the fuck is "feature ability", feature of what?\
wtfsaywat 3 months ago
@wtfsaywat Your* grammar sucks.
NGUpremier 2 months ago
@NGUpremier U mad mac fanboy?
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Actually no I'm not. You just made yourself look stupid.
NGUpremier 2 months ago
@NGUpremier Thats why you wrote a WHOLE paragraph about how PC are worthless and Macs are superior right? You just solidified why you're an illiterate but now you are a bigot also.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat "Your an illiterate"
I'm just going to stop arguing with you.
NGUpremier 2 months ago
@NGUpremier fail. the correct grammar is "you're" which also stands for "you are". Did you ever take any high school english classes?
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat I can safely say that we both failed on our parts. You are an illiterate is not a sentence. Your an illiterate is not a sentence. I meant to type you're. Now calm yourself.
NGUpremier 2 months ago
@NGUpremier I am calm, but actually You are an illiterate would actually be a sentence, expanding on that it would be a simple sentence. Because it contains the verb "are" and the subject "you" . The definition of a simple sentence is a sentence that contains one verb and one subject.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat Illiterate is not a noun. You fail at life.
Irandill 2 months ago
@Irandill Wow, you must be an illiterate. I never said that the word illiterate was the noun or subject of the sentence. Here is what I DID say:"You are an illiterate would actually be a sentence, expanding on that it would be a simple sentence. Because it contains the VERB "ARE" and the SUBJECT "YOU". Since I said the subject was You it would also be the noun of the sentence. I don't know where you got the idea that I said illiterate was a noun from-_- You fail at almost everything you do.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@Irandill You prove my point AGAIN that you are an illiterate. I think you should invest in something called EDUCATION.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat "Wow, you must be an illiterate." - Right there. What you said. You implied that illiterate is a noun by placing "an" before it. "You are an illiterate" is a grammatically incorrect sentence, and as such does not qualify as one. I don't think you fully understand what a noun is, especially if you think that the word 'you' is a noun.
Irandill 2 months ago
@Irandill My mistake "you is actually a pronoun. However it is grammatically correct to use the sentence "You are an illiterate." If you look up illiterate on any online dictionary yes, illiterate is an adjective, but it can also be used as a noun. Example:"an illiterate group." It can also be used as an adjective. Example:"He is musically illiterate." In the end, however you want to emphasis the fact that illiterate can not be used as a noun contrary to what is in a dictionary.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat -.- I really shouldn't be bothering with this. Just because the word pronoun ends in the suffix '-noun' does not in any way mean it has the same meaning to the word noun. In your example illiterate is being used as an adjective, like normal - the 'group' is the noun. Seriously, learn some grammar, please. Your post is littered with grammatical errors.
Irandill 2 months ago
@Irandill Since we somehow can not use illiterate in the context of a noun contrary to what a dictionary says, here is a revised sentence: "You are educationally illiterate." In this sentence "illiterate" is used as an adjective.
I don't think you are familiar with the fact that adjectives can be used as nouns and vice versa.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@wtfsaywat I'm just going to stop now. Adjectives cannot be universally interchanged with nouns, regardless of what you say. Otherwise I could call you 'a happy' or 'a silly'.
Irandill 2 months ago
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wtfsaywat 2 months ago
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@Irandill It seems that it is not clicking for you. You can use an adjective as a noun, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME WORD!!!!!! Type: "Can you use an adjective as a noun?" in Google and you will get your answer along with a more detailed explanation than the one I am giving now. Have you heard of something called a dictionary? It is sad to see that you live under the misconception that you "know" grammar, where as what you post tells otherwise. However, I digress.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
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@NGUpremier Once again you prove my point that you're an illiterate.
Get an education.
wtfsaywat 2 months ago
@shewolfen1 You're right, HOW DARE I take my required medical leave. I should be working 24/7 no matter what! (and you're one to be talking about unempoyment)
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 wow, you really are thick lady. but I guess when you're 51 and you're so ugly that not even lesbians on a dating site want to sleep with you, you start to get bitter don't you. And tell me, how can you afford a Mac (let alone a BMW or a Lexus) when you're unemployed? Oh, let me guess, I paid for it with my taxes didn't I? You know what, why don't you do something useful and get a job (maybe then you'd be able to afford to leave Montana)
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 Apple is still fucking made in China you retard which means they are as responsible for that as every other computer manufacturer
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 You know you keep saying that it's Windows fault, which it really isn't seeing as THEY DON'T MAKE HARDWARE, but you seem to keep forgetting that Apple had as much of a hand in it as everyone else
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 well just to name a few brands of hardware, Supermicro makes motherboards right here in the US, Microns make memory in Idaho, Most ATI GPU's are made in Canada, and there are alot more for every piece of hardwae you need. And something funny I just found out, Apple products are made in the same factory and by the same people who make ASUS computers. And of course it's Microsofts fault that China is rich, it has nothing to do with any other product that's made in china
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 Not all PCs are made in China, but every Apple product is. Using your logic, Apple made China richer than any computer manufacturer to date. And the reason the Army opted for HTC, is because THEY AREN'T made in China you dipstick. Most are here in the US. That and the fact that iOS is easier to hack into than any other smartphone on the market.
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@wilhamlin your argument is invalid
EntrailSaunders 2 months ago
@EntrailSaunders Which argument in particular are you talking about?
wilhamlin 2 months ago
@shewolfen1 Well considering it isn't the Army's job to pay their vets makes your argument invalid. but what your saying is that it's part Apples fault that the US owes China so much money? thanks Steve Jobs haha
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 Hey, wanna know something funny? The Army is making a huge deal with HTC to issue phones to soldiers. But Apple was never an option, because they're cheap quality and made in china. hell even the army knows that you overpay for your "loyalty". And in all honesty, Apple isn't the status symbol you make it out to be, because anyone can get one. Apple is more like DeLoreans were. Really expensive for a shiny case
wilhamlin 3 months ago
@shewolfen1 Well i really don't need to convince people, considering that 93% of the computers in the world run Windows, not OSX. Alot of people (except for the very special people like you) already know that Macs are very poor value for their money
wilhamlin 3 months ago