i recently had a discussion with someone that said that if a woman is pregnant and someone kills the fetus accidentally (i think????) then it is considered homicide I haven't verified this, but either way it does stimulate one to think about the double standards society has.
you got problems, look into getting a shrink, talking the way you do shows you think WAY too highly of yourself. No one cares about your fuking opinons.
@ENDRENOABORTION I'd love to share my comments on your videos but you've decided to block me after chiding me with unsolicited insults and gibberish on my channel. I gave you a thoughtful response [available to anyone to read on my channel] but instead of sharing your side and opening things to healthy discourse on the subject you chose to deny me access to share my viewpoint.
A fine example of religious myopia and rampant fascism. Sorry you seem to be allergic to logic and truth.
you have the entire internet to spewl your abortion minded non-sense
it is best for you to let me stop renting space in your brain instead of falling in love with every sentence you write and taking everything so personally
@ENDRENOABORTION I'm merely pointing out [as you display here with your adolescent response] that rather than actually discuss something in an open forum you conduct yourselves in a closed-minded fashion.
I take this personally because the actions of your groups affect me and others on a personal level. You rally to take someone else's choice away and rather than reach for solutions that benefit everyone you rail to punish, denigrate and dismiss those that disagree with you. And you shot first.
"you have the entire internet to spewl your abortion minded non-sense"
I want you to ponder that statement for a moment and see if you can understand why it is subject to ridicule. I made one short vid explaining why I am pro-life AND pro-choice and you left an unsolicited comment calling me 'morally bankrupt'-an insult you've yet to clarify with any logic. I suggest you create low-cost childcare for those too impoverished to support a child and stop harassing people on Youtube
@ENDRENOABORTION Yet, in your short-sighted behavior, you feel it is your responsibility to make their decision for them. That reasoning is convoluted and your judgmental attitude reveals you to be less than compassionate and much less than a Christian.
If you would care to continue this discussion privately and without the restriction of a mere 500 spaces I request you remove your block. If not you may continue your quest to punish people for simply not sharing your viewpoint in private.
@ENDRENOABORTION Rather than direct anything to me you pass insulting comment on the My Channel page of an illiterate from Australia. Underhanded, childish and cowardly. How does that feel? You align yourself with some foul-mouth who trolls YouTube insulting people for attention.
I guess that makes perfect sense.
Goodbye until you have the courage and intelligence to debate this sensibly.
Thanks for accepting truth into your life. And for helping others see truth.
You know the lie of "my body" is strong. In reality one cannot do what ever you want with your body. A man can't legally take his body and put inside an unwilling victim.A person cannot kill themselves without being arrested and put in a mental institution.Everyone can see that strapping bombs to YOUR body and blowing yourself up is Wrong.In every other situation of WRONG doing with your own body is unacceptable.
The Jane Roe of Roe vs. Wade, Norma McCorvey, had an awakening and realizes she was mislead and used by Sarah Weddington. Norma McCorvey now has a Christian Ministry, "Roe No More", devoted to saving babies lives and helping pregnant Mothers. Joh 14:6
Great video and may the Lord Jesus Christ help us all to stand firm for life, may He forgive us for not raising our voices in the past, your message is Powerful, loving and caring, God is with you sister, Jesus bless you
I think if people would go online and see the tiny hands and feet and other body parts of an aborted baby they would change their views. It’s hard to believe a doctor can see that every day and keep his sanity
Your video is painfully honest, and I think it is worth viewing. No matter what "sin" we have had in our past -- abortion or whatever -- there is forgiveness for ourselves and others. Self-forgiveness is the beginning of healing. Then we get on with life, and hopefully help someone else avoid the same mistake. I wish you so much peace for you personally and in your interaction with others. Thank you for speaking out.
My mother left her first boyfriend after conceiving her first child. He tried to give her money for an abortion. It's strange to thing that I wouldn't have an older sister.
She wouldn't be here, and neither would her 3 kids.
"Actually, please explain how you think we have abortions naturally?"
A misscarage is a natrural abortion and it's common medical knowledge that many fertalized eggs don't implant in the uterus and are passed just like unfertalized eggs on the regular cycle.
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
What an ignorant view: 4% is a small number & as recomended (i.e. .5%) is even smaller when compared to the %age WITHOUT birth control. AND because abstinence only education programs DO NOT WORK I think birth control along with condoms (as recommended) in order to avoid as many abortions as possible while still keeping the option open so as to not create a black market that's a major health hazard, and a drain on the economy & social services is a much better option don't you?
Have you been staralized in some way shape or from?
If the answer order is yes and no chances are that your body has aborted several fertalized eggs in your life time. Abortions happen natually on a regular basis should we stop them from happening now that we know? Condoms with spermiside stop a baby from forming even if it breaks at the end and that's chemically preventing a pregnancy. Is bc that stops a woman from ovulating at all bad too?
Well I was trying to find a single meaningful statistic in the entire lot of the sites that you sent me and I couldn't find one so...
Virtually meaning less as is it's not a justification other wise a kid crying in a market getting candy is more than justification to give him/her all the candy they want right?
birth control: it says it right on the box that it's 96% effective... That's a pretty slim chance and if you take extra precautions (like the package recommends) it's 99.5%
1. I didn't mean it as a direct quote, i meant it more as a paraphraseing of their cry because they gave NO justification for why abortion is wrong other than "I believe it's wrong." 2. This is true but emotional pleas are virtually meaningless as justification to anyone else. 3. a) where? Cuz i've not seen any b) Where are the links to the studies those numbers are based on? c) one even tries to put the idea forward the birthcontrol pill don't work. That's not propaganda at all :-B
OK it took me a little time but I reviewed your sources...
Are you fucking kidding me? 4 prolife propaganda pages and two emotional appeals with absouluty no infromation beyond someone crying, "ABROTION'S WORONG BECAUSE I SAY SO!" boo hoo but sorry... no good sources yet... Try again.
"one clinic owner said they had at least one woman die every month from having an abortion."
Site your source.
"Many, many more have multiple problems such as perforated uterus', hemorrhaging, cutting of fallopian tubes(causing infertility), cutting of the urinary tract, and more."
Even if there are problems with these things now you do realize that they were MUCH more rampent BEFORE the legalization of abortion right? And even then: Site your source.
"the numbers of abortions are documented therefore we have have proof of how many abortions occur."
Correction: we have the numbers of LEGAL abortions prior to Roe v Wade. The proof is in a study done on the number of illegal abortions referenced in the text of the Freedom of Choice Act. (don't have the link at the moment but I followed the CDC abortion entry to find it)
This is a great video for the pro-life position right up until the straw man about lining up children against a wall & killing the youngest one.
Abortion is a personal choice & people have been & will continue to make it yes or no reguardless of the legality. 1.2 million before Roe v. Wade; 1.2-1.4 million after Roe v. Wade. After means no black market, no regular botched abortions causing deaths, infertility, disfiguration, or infection putting strain on the health system & costing more. Chose
What a crackhead. Too bad your mom didn't abort you. You are a hot mess girl. You need to quit rambling, gather your thoughts and try to make at least 1 valid point.
Take a look at the world population and do your math.
yellowgummibear. Is that your way to intelligently debate this issue. Many people will describe many ways their own experience. The woman in this video came to these concepts after she was ignorant about the effects of abortion and had one herself.
She may have unique storytelling ways, but it is her story and experience.
Women who have lost babies or experienced similar need to hear about this as well.
She made several valid points, go back and view it if you didn't catch them.
A lot of people on here are throwin' up rape...well, you're speaking of something that accounts for less than 1% of all abortion causes. This is an accurate statistic, look it up for yourself. Most abortions are done purely out of selfishness.
Abortion doesn't make you un-pregnant. It just makes you the mother/father of a dead baby.
the point is that it is inside her body. there is no right to be inside anothers body without their consent let along live inside them. to give full human rights to a fetus turns a pregnant woman into an incubator under the law. she loses rights to be autonomous. if the govt can force childbirth upon the bodies of unconsenting women, what can they force upon women's bodies next?
I find your logic to be flawed simply b/c I can't see how you can delineate b/w controlling the outside of the body as opposed to the inside. You wouldn't have a problem telling a woman she can't use her body to take a gun and shoot someone, or that she can be put into jail for committing acrime. So if the gov't can take away her exterior autonomy, why not her interior?
there is no exterior autonomy in the sense you are using. the reason people can control what happens INSIDE their bodies is because that is their personal boundary. it is in fact the most precious thing they own, themselves. no one can violate the privacy of her body in an intimate way without her permission. it doesnt get anymore intimate than pregnancy. you seem like an intelligent person by your response. thats good to see. alot of people respond with horrible arguments. good job.
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
i disagree. I believe that abortion is okay if there isn't actually a body inside of you, in which case it IS your body. What's inside of you, for example, a week after conception is merely some cells...nothing more. I am a high school biology teacher and I am personally do not feel that these cells should really be considered human yet. We might as well outlaw the careless use of sperm cells if we are going to hold these fetuses in such high regard.
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
@prolifeinternational Being post-abortion myself, I can relate to what this video is saying. Mine was botched, and the "pro-choice" crowd basically deserted me. It's funny, once the truth comes out, they disappear. I had a D&E with no laminaria, and had no idea what laminaria was for ten years until I went to nursing school. The whole rhetoric of the "pro-choice" just doesn't add up. There have been more deaths from abortion than all of our wars combined.
Respond to this video... Also, Dr. Mary Calderone of Planned Parenthood wrote an article in 1960 called "Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Issue." In it she states that 90% of abortions were done by doctors and done well "that is why the death rate is so low." According to her, in 1957 there were 260 deaths combined from abortion. A far cry from what they're saying today. Dr. Calderone credits the lowering of abortion deaths from antibiotics, which makes sense.
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
Thank you for your testimony. I hope you can help the people who can not or do not understand it is NOT just "their body, their choice". God bless you for now standing for what is right and admitting you were wrong. If only more women could be honest enough. Peace be with you.
i was going to watch more of your videos but its pathetic that you are so strong about the issue of abortion yet dont understand the opposing agruments or for that matter really seem to give good agruments for a pro life perception. Do more research and make informed agruments not these illogical agruments that you clearly put little or no thought into and have used zero sources to assert your statment. Take a debate class for christ sake.
every one lives by logic, logic is how we can explain things such as life, and there is a difference between human life and what we would classify as a person, though with comments like this it only proves your idiocy and how little you know about abortion, consciouness and the nervous system.
I really enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for showing us that you are not perfect, and make mistakes like every human..but you are humble enough to be open about it..and share the reality with us.
You are wrong! You know what happens with kids in bad families or without any parents? They grow up mentally retarded(literally). They have hard time to fit in society, and to find job. There all so many kids without parents, who have twisted lifes, and no love. You want more kids to suffer? Better go and adopt someone, it atleast would make some kids life better.
Im pro-choice. well, I wouldn't say mentally retarded because thats somethig you get from birth. But I agree with you on this issue in terms of how they soemtimes become the misfits of society. In terms of foster care, they just age out of the system w/o ever being adopted.
thank you! one thing that gets me is, just because it didnt work, or wasnt right for one person, dosnt mean that they should go around banning and imposing their views on others.
just cause i dont like red, mean that no one can!
i understand this must be hard, but its just as hard to do just about anything... thats life!
Abortion won't always cause the death of the fetus. The mother has the right to remove anything from her body. It's unfortunate that right now it causes the death of the fetus but it is essentially a parasite even to the point of suppressing the mother's immune system so it won't kill the fetus. It's not part of the mother's body and as such has no right to it.
You sum it up perfectly. Make people see what they are actually doing, no more newspeak. I am a libertarian to the core, you are right, it is the body inside of your body.
Young girls who think they can have sex freely since they are "liberated" are sadly mistaken.
The choice is up to you, be honest with yourself, ribbed, lubricated, flavored. Or nothing to protect yourself from the last person they had sex with?
fetus is not a baby?...martin luther translated the latin bible into german and the latin term for fetus is baby, he did this so people would know what was happening, abortionists change the word baby back into "fetus" so people won't know what's happening.
your comment is so nonsensical i don't even know where to begin, you are woefully ignorant of many, many things. it was the bible that gave us western civilization, moral laws, freedoms, prosperity, abolished slavery, gave rights to women and children, convicts mankind of sin and tells us what we must do in order to be saved which is repent of sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity also gave us science, and great thinkers who discovered many good things...vaccination, listerine
John Newton a former slave-ship captain joined William Wilberforce in the campaign for abolition. He also wrote a tract about the cruelty of slavery, he was very instrumental in bring slaving to a halt in England which also help to end slavery in the USA; He also was the author of Amazing Grace.
Sometime they that understand it the most have been school by its suffering!
"I used to believe that I can do whatever I want to with my own body."
You were totally correct. Your body is the one thing in the world that you can forever call your own, I would think that a woman such as yourself would appreciate that right a little more.
I think it's pretty hilarious that pro-lifers keep raising the 'anesthesia' debate. If a zygote/embryo was never awake, has never been capable of thought or feeling, then that is completely different to being awake and then being under anesthetic. It's a completely incomparable and irrelivant argument to try and make.
Umm wrong, see, in order to feel pain, or be awake or aware, cognitive, there needs to be a functioning brain with a CEREBRAL CORTEX which in turn produces BRAIN WAVES. Perhaps you should look this up, try reading something by Sykes. Medical science HAS been wrong before; it was wrong when it inferred electrical activity in the brain of a fetus as BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY.
CONT - 2 completely different things. Pro-lifers always quote and refer to outdated or obsolite information and medical research, which half the time is not cited and comes from non-credible sources. At the end of the day, the fetus needs a cerebral cortex to feel pain - a 6 week old fetus doesn't have one. It only fully develops around the 20th week of gestation, when abortions are already illegal.
i dont really care, even if a baby at that stage is a blob, i still couldnt kill it and dont agree that anyone else should. That baby is trying to grow and become someone. U shouldnt just stop a NATURAL process bang in the middle. Hardly anyone having abortions are using protection anyway.
Point is, that "blob" as you've called it is NOT a baby. It is nothing but a "blob". It's not trying to grow up to be or do anything. It doesn't know it exists. And by the way, about 25-30% of pregnancies are NATURALLY aborted when the mother miscarries, which means if you get pregnant 3 times, roughly one of those pregnancies will be terminated by your own body. Abortion is a natural process.
point is, that "blob"..."less than human" is the exact philosophy that Hitler used in order to murder other human beings...millions. anytime a person or group wants to eliminate another person or group of persons must first convince the public that these humans are not really humans. there was a time in history when even women were not considered fully human. think about it.
Hitler convinced Germany that Jews weren't human when clearly, they were. An embryo is a human embryo of course; it doesn't belong to a cat or dog. But it is not a *PERSON*; there is biological and scientific difference between a non-functioning "blob" and a 35 year old cognitive person. Hence the reason intelligent nations refuse to give personhood to a piece of tissue without a brain.
Just because babies can easily miscarry before 3 months doesnt mean we should all start doing it on purpose. USE PROTECTION and not half of these abortions would be necessary.
How is abortion a NATURAL process???? It doesnt happen naturally!!??
No-one knows what really happens in the womb. The baby could know they exist, who are U to say they may not????
As I have said already, in order to an entity to have sentience and self-awareness, they need a functioning brain. Unless it has one, there is no speculation as to whether or not it knows it exists, it simply doesn't.
You're right, you don't have 4 arms, 4 legs, 2 heads etc. But you don't have any of those things inside you when an embryo is 4 weeks old either. You have a piece of tissue indistinguishable from the embryo of any other vertebrate mammal. It has no arms, no legs, no eyes, no brain, no spine, no lungs, no thought, no reasoning, no feeling. All you have is something with the potential to become a person in a few months' time.
Most find out they are pregnant at approx 6 weeks, by the baby has arms legs eyes ears fingers toes and a heart. How is that indistinguishable tissue???
Many woman intelligently choose to have an abortion, and are relieved they did.
If you don't like abortions, don't have one.
Just because you regret the decision you were entrusted with, that doesn't mean you should take away another woman's RIGHT TO CHOOSE. It is a sad day when we force women to be unwillingly fetal incubators. CHOICE!!!
converse02, are you aware of high percentage of women having or have had an abortion were coercers or forced into it. What is your feeling about these women?
many intelligent women choose to eat their doggone lean cuisine instead of a burger and fries and they are relieved they did, if you dont like lean cuisine, don't eat one. just because you regret the decision you were entrusted with...life you were entrusted with, that doesn't mean you should take away another's right to choose to live..(the baby's right to live), it is a sad day when "intelligent" women (girls) don't have intelligence enough to say no to sex until marriage.
Sex is one of the basic primal human needs and urges. Sex is for enjoyment, hence the reason a woman has a clitoris and a man's penis is so sensitive. Also, just because a person is a virgin until marriage, doesn't mean they automatically need to start spitting out babies once they tie the knot. A woman can get pregnant after she is married and still not want a kid (oh no!).
Wrong again, Sex is for reproduction, the fact that is it pleasurable is to facilitate reproduction, therefore it ensures Survival and continuation of the species, abortion goes against nature! Would you want to reproduce if it was painful and excruciating to have sex? no, so that is why nature made it pleasurable.
Wrong, sex is for reproduction amongst animals, hence the reason pleasurable sex is limited to humans, chimps and dolphins (3 of the most intelligent species on earth). Sex isnt painful and excruciating for every other organism on earth, it just isnt fun. We don't have these bits and pieces to make sex fun if we weren't meant to have it for fun. Makes sense doesn't it?
We are all animals in some way or another, and deny it all you want the main purpose for sex is for reproduction. I am done responding to you, we each have our differing viewpoints and it's pointless to keep discussing this.
You'd do anything? Well then instead of bitching about abortion and how 'wrong' it is on youtube, go and adopt a few thousand of the millions of kids in the world that have no parents, no home, no stable life. There are 15 million AIDS orphans in Africa, and thousands of orphans in America. Until all the kids already on earth can be taken care of, women should not be guilted into having more if they don't want to.
"electrical activity" in fetal brainstem cells from 10 weeks of pregnancy (56 days after fertilization) on, but that doesn't mean much. An EEG involves measuring varying electrical potentials across a dipole, or separated positive and negative charges. Any living cell has an electrical potential across its membrane, and any living structure is a dipole (CONT) -
"which explains why people have been able to put electrodes on plants, hook them up to EEG machines, and get "evidence" that plants have feelings". - CONT
CONT - "So all that this research showed, and reported, about the brain development of 56-to-70-day embryos and fetuses is that they have live nerve cells present in their brainstems. This is not the same as "brain waves". Intermittent electroencephalograpic bursts in both cerebral hemispheres are first seen at 20 weeks gestation". (Margaret Sykes).
I do think abortion is necessary. Like when one is raped or, like for me, for instance, who has a weak uterus & a bad blood type and it's just better to abort the thing than to go through the hardships of having extensive medical bills because of my selfish need of wanting to keep such a thing even though that thing will eventually die and take me with it. I think the people around me would rather have me alive than dead.
Anyways now-a-days you can stop the egg from developing with a morning after pill. I don't use birth control pills due to side effects it gave me. Also there are abortions where you can take a pill and have a really bad period, which is why after that I did a surgery to remove my ovaries. It took awhile for my body to get use to, but hey better than ending up having to worry about a little fucker trying to kill me again.
Before getting into whole discussion of abortion, what frigging bugs me is how people get pregnant haphazardly in the first place. Do you mix up your menstrual cycle? Does condom give you paper cuts on your penis? I mean for crying out loud, how hard is it for you people to avoid unwanted pregnancy? We don't live in the 1st century anymore. No undesired pregnancy, no abortion.
I got pregnant even though I was on birth control pills and my bf wore a condom. Oo That's fucked up and that's why I'm pro-choice. Luckily I just took a pill and gotten a really bad period and that was that. Like I said my case is really fucking rare but it happens regardless. If it weren't for that pill I'd be dead now, because the so-called innocent fucker tried to kill me and it's not even a month old. It was going to end up costing my family a fortune if I kept it.
Then either you need to switch the pills or method, and him learn how to use the condom properly. Early termination is also vital. I think by the 6th week, people should come to the conclusion, along with the partner, whether they do want to keep the child or not. But waiting until the Third Trimester is just down right wrong.
tried to kill you? but if isn't a conscience living being, as pro-abortionists say, how could it have a preconceived notion of murdering you? The fact that you claim that a month-old embryo tied to kill you sounds childish and ridiculous.
JuciShockwave's (as well of other pro-choicers) way of writing is inadequate for a serious debate. Her commentaries are disgusting, especially when she speaks that way about her own baby. I think we must not reply insulting and disgusting comments until they learn to debate like civilized people.
You are so annoying. You want to deprive women of their rights just to ease your own conscience. No-one forced you to have an abortion so don't force other women not to. Yuck.
Sorry, longlive... you have real no idea where I have been or what I have been through, your presumption about me are wrong.
Are you aware that a very high percentage of women that have had abortion were coerced or manipulated into it. Are you aware of the deep emotion scaring that takes place in this act of forced abortion?
Unfortunately there has been also a high percentage of women who have been forced to have a long 9 month gestation against their will over the course of history as well. That has lasting effects on the psyche, too. That argument can easily backfire on you.
Every situation is different & unique. There are inalienable rights and natural freedoms that should be experienced by the individual. And they need to have the freedom to choose, w/o being told by someone like yourself or an entity that thinks like you that they will be forced do something b/c you & your beliefs don't like it. Btw, take away one drunken night, and a person is also not "Here." DNA is not the only reason why you are alive!
"Carrying a child to term has no negative [effect] on the psyche." Do you speak for everyone who has had gone through a gestation? You must be omniscient? You show your ignorance when you speak in such absolute terms. Where you misstate my logic & conclude that I'm an anarchist, you make no sense. There already has been a ruling in favor of individual rights(Roe vs Wade) the right for the women to choose whether or not she wants to have an abortion, w/o people like you choosing for her.
roe was classic usurpation...violation of separation of powers...and will almost certainly be overturned in the McCain admin...
childbirth is natural for women...negative psyche effect is virtually impossible...suicide is very high among women who have had abortions, however...as they realize too late they have murdered their own child
abortion and the constitution are two issues you should keep quiet on, as you're clearly ignorant on both...
No classic usurpation was Gore vs Bush, where the Court gave the election to Bush. But unlike you, I respect The Rule of Law. For some women childbirth is natural; but for some it's not; to say that rearing a child has virtually no possible negative effect whatsoever is an ill-informed and irresponsible statement. I would suggest that you stop making ignorant and absolute statements that you cannot prove. You sound ridiculous. Most women that have had abortions are pleased w/ the results.
cvjucla3, most women that I have talk with are not happy or pleased with the end results of their abortion. myself I feel it was the most hurtful thing that I personal have ever been thougth. this is my feeling as a post abortion women.
just a note; I was uninformed and irresponsible when I got an abortion.
Bush defeated Gore... dem voter fraud (117% turnout in philidelphia's heavily dem precincts) notwithstanding...
roe is classic usurpation...courts legislating law...stop pretending to be obtuse...if you're pretending...
most women who have abortions are devastated in the aftermath...stop lying...my statement was that 9 months of pregnancy does not have a negative affect on a woman's psyche, not even in rape instances...
I know of what I speak...you're the babbling fool here...
Bush stole the election. There were countless reports of disenfranchisment among voters in Florida. There were reports of roadblocks being set up by former Governor "Bush" halting voter turnout in some counties. It was
determined that if the all votes were counted, Gore
would of clearly won. You can't make a blanket statement "that 9 months of pregnancy does not have a negative [effect] on a woman's psyche, not even in rape instances." That is just factually and logically inaccurate, you dope.
Gore sought to handpick fla precincts for recount and attempted to surpress counting overseas military ballots..the USSC prevented the farce initially foisted on citizens by the fla SC..Bush won legitimately
less than 10 % of rape victims become empregnated..most of these decide to keep the baby, many testifying that the pregnancy/child was very instrumental in their psychological healing..it is reckless to contend that pregnancy per se can be "psyche negative"
Bush won the election by a 5 to 4 majority in the Supreme Court. Gore had won the popular vote and would of won the Fla. electorate if the lady who made the butterfly ballot was at all competent. This case is similar to Roe vs. Wade b/c both cases were decided by a narrow margin. Worst case scenario for women will be a ruling that devolves power at the state level. I never said that a pregnancy "per se" can be negative. This sounds more like your kinda absolute thinking. I believe in freedom.
I will gladly choose freedom rather than your narrowminded, scared to live life mindset. If RvW is ever reversed, the ruling from the Court would devolve power to the states. It's a bad idea, b/c it would divide the Nation further. The SC will never make a Constitutional Amendment, ruling against a women's right to choose, whereupon the whole nation would have to adhere to the Court's decision. Currently, we have a Constitutional Amendment in favor of the women's right to choose. Good ruling.
"So if you don't support abortion on demand, you're against women's rights." The truly sad fact about this thought is the total lack of understanding it shows for what Roe v. Wade has done to American women. The reality for thousands of American women is that Roe v. Wade only means the memory of a dead child and a lifetime of emotional or physical damage that no one in our society wants to talk about.
Tragically many people chooses to continue to reinforce the out dated notion that abortion is what women really want when faced with a difficult pregnancy. Thirty years of rhetoric hasn't made Roe v. Wade a victory for American women but it has made a nightmare for many.
not even in rape cases? R U SERIOUS?!?!? you have met every single pregnant rape victim that has ever been? you cant make such sweeping statements. just because you say it doesnt have a negative effect doesnt make it so. common sense dictates that something as physically and emotionally taxing as having your body occupied by a living organism for 9 months is going to leave its mark whether it was a desired pregnancy or not.
just because childbirth is natural does not make it desirable or something that women are obligated to endure. read up a little on post partum psychosis and depression if you want to know a little about the psychiatric effects of pregnancy. not to mention what can and often does happen to a womans body because of being pregnant.
They're both effective. Depending on the person(s). Not everyone is like you (pro-life)nor like me(pro-choice). People ought to choose for themselves. I doubt you protest against someone putting their dog to sleep. If life is so precious than why is it that one life has more value than another? Why allow two lives to die when one can be saved? I know I nearly died because my so-called month old "innocent" bastard. Do I feel guilty for living? No! Plus my bf is glad I'm alive too.
You will never be able to reconcile the fact that a fetus belongs to the woman in question. Roe vs Wade is the law of the land. It was decided by legal minds far smarter than you or I. Also, you so desperately want every child to be mandatorily born, yet you can give a "rat's ass what happens to the child after he or she is born. If you ever have driven on the 405 freeway in L.A., Calif., you would be in favor of abortions.
I will review it. I know the basics of it. It involves a former slave fighting for his freedom along state lines, from what I remember, against a former master. Would you be so kind my dear to look over 'Brown vs. The Board of Education?' Just so we can compare notes, while we're at it.
Roe vs. Wade happened in 1973. Judges were neither geneticists nor physicians nor biologists. They were not unanimous in their decision. So the Court's rule is not infallible. Let the judges improve their knowledge and reverse Roe vs. Wade
100% agreed. Actually, the lady who fought to legalize abortion IS NOW PRO-LIFE!! She has changed around her views! Amazing, if she has changed like that, I think she has a good argument, lol.
oh wow. You really konw how to debate and change peoples minds, lol. Just leave some stupid comment like that. How about we have a mature debate? Is that too hard. I think that if a lady went from that strong of a pro-choice person to a strong pro-lifer, I think she'll have a good reason to do so and a good argument. I mean, if you can't handle my arguments, you'd just run away from her, lol.
i recently had a discussion with someone that said that if a woman is pregnant and someone kills the fetus accidentally (i think????) then it is considered homicide I haven't verified this, but either way it does stimulate one to think about the double standards society has.
Are the babies pro choice?
mostradicalmanever 8 months ago
you got problems, look into getting a shrink, talking the way you do shows you think WAY too highly of yourself. No one cares about your fuking opinons.
lord69z 9 months ago
Great video and thanks for the courage to share.
ENDRENOABORTION 9 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION I'd love to share my comments on your videos but you've decided to block me after chiding me with unsolicited insults and gibberish on my channel. I gave you a thoughtful response [available to anyone to read on my channel] but instead of sharing your side and opening things to healthy discourse on the subject you chose to deny me access to share my viewpoint.
A fine example of religious myopia and rampant fascism. Sorry you seem to be allergic to logic and truth.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
what do you want a cookie ?
you have the entire internet to spewl your abortion minded non-sense
it is best for you to let me stop renting space in your brain instead of falling in love with every sentence you write and taking everything so personally
ENDRENOABORTION 9 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION I'm merely pointing out [as you display here with your adolescent response] that rather than actually discuss something in an open forum you conduct yourselves in a closed-minded fashion.
I take this personally because the actions of your groups affect me and others on a personal level. You rally to take someone else's choice away and rather than reach for solutions that benefit everyone you rail to punish, denigrate and dismiss those that disagree with you. And you shot first.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION
"you have the entire internet to spewl your abortion minded non-sense"
I want you to ponder that statement for a moment and see if you can understand why it is subject to ridicule. I made one short vid explaining why I am pro-life AND pro-choice and you left an unsolicited comment calling me 'morally bankrupt'-an insult you've yet to clarify with any logic. I suggest you create low-cost childcare for those too impoverished to support a child and stop harassing people on Youtube
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@Harvey3rdman
i suggest you sit outside of an abortion clinic for a day and watch couples coming in for abortions in new suv's and pimped out pick up trucks
no, it is not responsibility to take care of or provide for other people's children
ENDRENOABORTION 9 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION Yet, in your short-sighted behavior, you feel it is your responsibility to make their decision for them. That reasoning is convoluted and your judgmental attitude reveals you to be less than compassionate and much less than a Christian.
If you would care to continue this discussion privately and without the restriction of a mere 500 spaces I request you remove your block. If not you may continue your quest to punish people for simply not sharing your viewpoint in private.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION Rather than direct anything to me you pass insulting comment on the My Channel page of an illiterate from Australia. Underhanded, childish and cowardly. How does that feel? You align yourself with some foul-mouth who trolls YouTube insulting people for attention.
I guess that makes perfect sense.
Goodbye until you have the courage and intelligence to debate this sensibly.
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
If u really want 2 end abortion, try:
- SEX EDUCATION
- CONTRACEPTION
- FAMILY PLANNING
It works every single time :-)
Sexycosy 9 months ago
Thanks for accepting truth into your life. And for helping others see truth.
You know the lie of "my body" is strong. In reality one cannot do what ever you want with your body. A man can't legally take his body and put inside an unwilling victim.A person cannot kill themselves without being arrested and put in a mental institution.Everyone can see that strapping bombs to YOUR body and blowing yourself up is Wrong.In every other situation of WRONG doing with your own body is unacceptable.
juda4praise 11 months ago
@juda4praise What about jerking off ? should that be illegal too? Smoking? Drinking?
lord69z 9 months ago
The Jane Roe of Roe vs. Wade, Norma McCorvey, had an awakening and realizes she was mislead and used by Sarah Weddington. Norma McCorvey now has a Christian Ministry, "Roe No More", devoted to saving babies lives and helping pregnant Mothers. Joh 14:6
Brucev7 1 year ago
Great video and may the Lord Jesus Christ help us all to stand firm for life, may He forgive us for not raising our voices in the past, your message is Powerful, loving and caring, God is with you sister, Jesus bless you
Serge from Canada
Serge1965 1 year ago
This is a great video, thanks for posting it.
I think if people would go online and see the tiny hands and feet and other body parts of an aborted baby they would change their views. It’s hard to believe a doctor can see that every day and keep his sanity
ccccrenshaw 1 year ago
Sister, I admire your courage and hear truth in your words!
Doctg100 1 year ago
highlight of the video: emphasis of the word genatalia at 1:20
buckinguber 1 year ago
Your video is painfully honest, and I think it is worth viewing. No matter what "sin" we have had in our past -- abortion or whatever -- there is forgiveness for ourselves and others. Self-forgiveness is the beginning of healing. Then we get on with life, and hopefully help someone else avoid the same mistake. I wish you so much peace for you personally and in your interaction with others. Thank you for speaking out.
kweer58 2 years ago
The number one cause of death in America.....Abortions 1.3 million a year.
The womb, the deadliest place in the US.
Eli3333333 2 years ago
My mother left her first boyfriend after conceiving her first child. He tried to give her money for an abortion. It's strange to thing that I wouldn't have an older sister.
She wouldn't be here, and neither would her 3 kids.
TheMrsAmanda 2 years ago
"Actually, please explain how you think we have abortions naturally?"
A misscarage is a natrural abortion and it's common medical knowledge that many fertalized eggs don't implant in the uterus and are passed just like unfertalized eggs on the regular cycle.
themanofearth 2 years ago
Oh sorry...
Forgot to explain the "straw man" post. ;-/
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
themanofearth 2 years ago
"A child's life and it being allowed? to have candy... what an ignorant comparison."
I agree since that's a blatent straw man.
Do at least try to read for context.
themanofearth 2 years ago
What an ignorant view: 4% is a small number & as recomended (i.e. .5%) is even smaller when compared to the %age WITHOUT birth control. AND because abstinence only education programs DO NOT WORK I think birth control along with condoms (as recommended) in order to avoid as many abortions as possible while still keeping the option open so as to not create a black market that's a major health hazard, and a drain on the economy & social services is a much better option don't you?
themanofearth 2 years ago
On top of that:
Are you sexually active?
Have you been staralized in some way shape or from?
If the answer order is yes and no chances are that your body has aborted several fertalized eggs in your life time. Abortions happen natually on a regular basis should we stop them from happening now that we know? Condoms with spermiside stop a baby from forming even if it breaks at the end and that's chemically preventing a pregnancy. Is bc that stops a woman from ovulating at all bad too?
themanofearth 2 years ago
Well I was trying to find a single meaningful statistic in the entire lot of the sites that you sent me and I couldn't find one so...
Virtually meaning less as is it's not a justification other wise a kid crying in a market getting candy is more than justification to give him/her all the candy they want right?
birth control: it says it right on the box that it's 96% effective... That's a pretty slim chance and if you take extra precautions (like the package recommends) it's 99.5%
themanofearth 2 years ago
1. I didn't mean it as a direct quote, i meant it more as a paraphraseing of their cry because they gave NO justification for why abortion is wrong other than "I believe it's wrong." 2. This is true but emotional pleas are virtually meaningless as justification to anyone else. 3. a) where? Cuz i've not seen any b) Where are the links to the studies those numbers are based on? c) one even tries to put the idea forward the birthcontrol pill don't work. That's not propaganda at all :-B
themanofearth 2 years ago
OK it took me a little time but I reviewed your sources...
Are you fucking kidding me? 4 prolife propaganda pages and two emotional appeals with absouluty no infromation beyond someone crying, "ABROTION'S WORONG BECAUSE I SAY SO!" boo hoo but sorry... no good sources yet... Try again.
themanofearth 2 years ago
But it also wasn't illegal either. some states had "legalized" abortion in that the law did not prohibit abortion.
themanofearth 2 years ago
"one clinic owner said they had at least one woman die every month from having an abortion."
Site your source.
"Many, many more have multiple problems such as perforated uterus', hemorrhaging, cutting of fallopian tubes(causing infertility), cutting of the urinary tract, and more."
Even if there are problems with these things now you do realize that they were MUCH more rampent BEFORE the legalization of abortion right? And even then: Site your source.
themanofearth 2 years ago
Yes we have those too...
point?
themanofearth 2 years ago
"2. no black market? Where have you been? its there, up and at it. Abortion is wrong and the black market is wrong.. difference?"
Where's your evidence of a major black market in abortions? I've not seen anything myself.
"Abortion, no one is legally held responsible for murder."
That's because abortion not consedered murder or have you not heard?
See: Abortion, Contraception, and FOCA
And: Pro-life: Ignorance or Inhuman?
And: Cowardice Prolife Propaganda vs FOCA Facts
themanofearth 2 years ago
"the numbers of abortions are documented therefore we have have proof of how many abortions occur."
Correction: we have the numbers of LEGAL abortions prior to Roe v Wade. The proof is in a study done on the number of illegal abortions referenced in the text of the Freedom of Choice Act. (don't have the link at the moment but I followed the CDC abortion entry to find it)
themanofearth 2 years ago
This is a great video for the pro-life position right up until the straw man about lining up children against a wall & killing the youngest one.
Abortion is a personal choice & people have been & will continue to make it yes or no reguardless of the legality. 1.2 million before Roe v. Wade; 1.2-1.4 million after Roe v. Wade. After means no black market, no regular botched abortions causing deaths, infertility, disfiguration, or infection putting strain on the health system & costing more. Chose
themanofearth 2 years ago
You have done an excellent job presenting the facts. Great Job! Thanks, this is my favorite of all that you've done.
RANDYandROSEY 2 years ago
What a crackhead. Too bad your mom didn't abort you. You are a hot mess girl. You need to quit rambling, gather your thoughts and try to make at least 1 valid point.
Take a look at the world population and do your math.
yellowgummibear 2 years ago
yellowgummibear. Is that your way to intelligently debate this issue. Many people will describe many ways their own experience. The woman in this video came to these concepts after she was ignorant about the effects of abortion and had one herself.
She may have unique storytelling ways, but it is her story and experience.
Women who have lost babies or experienced similar need to hear about this as well.
She made several valid points, go back and view it if you didn't catch them.
coolwater55 2 years ago
correct
JesusIsChrist777 3 years ago
A lot of people on here are throwin' up rape...well, you're speaking of something that accounts for less than 1% of all abortion causes. This is an accurate statistic, look it up for yourself. Most abortions are done purely out of selfishness.
Abortion doesn't make you un-pregnant. It just makes you the mother/father of a dead baby.
kbenge89 3 years ago
No it isn't.
Novjunulo 3 years ago
the point is that it is inside her body. there is no right to be inside anothers body without their consent let along live inside them. to give full human rights to a fetus turns a pregnant woman into an incubator under the law. she loses rights to be autonomous. if the govt can force childbirth upon the bodies of unconsenting women, what can they force upon women's bodies next?
leiapeison 3 years ago
I find your logic to be flawed simply b/c I can't see how you can delineate b/w controlling the outside of the body as opposed to the inside. You wouldn't have a problem telling a woman she can't use her body to take a gun and shoot someone, or that she can be put into jail for committing acrime. So if the gov't can take away her exterior autonomy, why not her interior?
lukewarm25 3 years ago
there is no exterior autonomy in the sense you are using. the reason people can control what happens INSIDE their bodies is because that is their personal boundary. it is in fact the most precious thing they own, themselves. no one can violate the privacy of her body in an intimate way without her permission. it doesnt get anymore intimate than pregnancy. you seem like an intelligent person by your response. thats good to see. alot of people respond with horrible arguments. good job.
leiapeison 2 years ago
Give it up sweetheart, you lost this one!
Alakiri08 3 years ago
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
jvjmj 3 years ago
i disagree. I believe that abortion is okay if there isn't actually a body inside of you, in which case it IS your body. What's inside of you, for example, a week after conception is merely some cells...nothing more. I am a high school biology teacher and I am personally do not feel that these cells should really be considered human yet. We might as well outlaw the careless use of sperm cells if we are going to hold these fetuses in such high regard.
yimababwe 3 years ago
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
jvjmj 3 years ago
Wonderful message!
Jitpring 3 years ago
God bless you...may God give you the grace to heal... lose the lumps, not the lesson... and keep telling the truth.
cfell 3 years ago
Im glad im here. I appreciate life.
brittniebob 3 years ago
You talk like you live in the ghetto.
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee..Is that the best you can do here?..Who cares what you think anyway?!..She is FANTASTIC..and,for once,you`re obviously lost for words!
prolifeinternational 3 years ago 3
@prolifeinternational Being post-abortion myself, I can relate to what this video is saying. Mine was botched, and the "pro-choice" crowd basically deserted me. It's funny, once the truth comes out, they disappear. I had a D&E with no laminaria, and had no idea what laminaria was for ten years until I went to nursing school. The whole rhetoric of the "pro-choice" just doesn't add up. There have been more deaths from abortion than all of our wars combined.
rousse61 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Also, Dr. Mary Calderone of Planned Parenthood wrote an article in 1960 called "Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Issue." In it she states that 90% of abortions were done by doctors and done well "that is why the death rate is so low." According to her, in 1957 there were 260 deaths combined from abortion. A far cry from what they're saying today. Dr. Calderone credits the lowering of abortion deaths from antibiotics, which makes sense.
rousse61 2 months ago
There a clear distiction between personhood and the developmental stages of the personhood. Who ever said that it is not a person? Since when? 1973? Roe vs. Wade? Come on! the human person goes through stages of developement (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, elder...) No matter what the stage it is a person! If the unborn are not person's at the moment of conception then what makes a person a person? Functionality? walking? seeing? thinking? If so then what about the handicap?
jvjmj 3 years ago
Hi, can you please speak up and into the camera? Thanks very much
WonderWomanUS 3 years ago
GOD BLESS YOU, SISTER roevswade!!!
The unique thing about you is that you realized your drastic error and asked the good Lord to forgive you and, He has, and so have I!!!
When you condemn abortion, that puts you back on the just side!
If people can not be responsible for their actions, what would be the purpose of right and wrong if the solution to the wrong is another wrong??!!!!
greekcreek 3 years ago 2
Thank you for your testimony. I hope you can help the people who can not or do not understand it is NOT just "their body, their choice". God bless you for now standing for what is right and admitting you were wrong. If only more women could be honest enough. Peace be with you.
barjonah1 3 years ago
"Only half of all people that go into abortion clinics come out alive"
VenemousMonkey 3 years ago 4
so true! so true! sad but so! one loses their life another their soul.
i know what it feels like to lose your soul!
roevswade 3 years ago
@VenemousMonkey define 'people'
Harvey3rdman 9 months ago
You have a good point in your video.
johnny1merr 3 years ago
i was going to watch more of your videos but its pathetic that you are so strong about the issue of abortion yet dont understand the opposing agruments or for that matter really seem to give good agruments for a pro life perception. Do more research and make informed agruments not these illogical agruments that you clearly put little or no thought into and have used zero sources to assert your statment. Take a debate class for christ sake.
ilikefire1515 3 years ago
um this arguement was a thousand times more logical than what you just said. What are you even talking about?
animalfreak147 3 years ago
Stupidity only warrants a stupid response. YOUR A POOP HEAD!
ilikefire1515 3 years ago
and I'm assuming you're responding to your OWN comment, correct?
animalfreak147 3 years ago
there is a difference between life and logic likefire1515....
GospelofTheCrown89 3 years ago
every one lives by logic, logic is how we can explain things such as life, and there is a difference between human life and what we would classify as a person, though with comments like this it only proves your idiocy and how little you know about abortion, consciouness and the nervous system.
ilikefire1515 3 years ago
I really enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for showing us that you are not perfect, and make mistakes like every human..but you are humble enough to be open about it..and share the reality with us.
deannacase 3 years ago
Her arguments are bullshit. We are not talking about killing people but giving a woman control over her own body.
funnynewfiegirl 3 years ago
You are wrong! You know what happens with kids in bad families or without any parents? They grow up mentally retarded(literally). They have hard time to fit in society, and to find job. There all so many kids without parents, who have twisted lifes, and no love. You want more kids to suffer? Better go and adopt someone, it atleast would make some kids life better.
LMstrike 4 years ago
I would have to say that the most sadist form of child abuse is where the death of the child occurs!
roevswade 4 years ago
Im pro-choice. well, I wouldn't say mentally retarded because thats somethig you get from birth. But I agree with you on this issue in terms of how they soemtimes become the misfits of society. In terms of foster care, they just age out of the system w/o ever being adopted.
DuttyGyal718 3 years ago
thank you for sharing. sorry it is not for you but remember everyone of us come from different walks of life.
neillob11 4 years ago
i agree. :-D
DuttyGyal718 3 years ago
thank you! one thing that gets me is, just because it didnt work, or wasnt right for one person, dosnt mean that they should go around banning and imposing their views on others.
just cause i dont like red, mean that no one can!
i understand this must be hard, but its just as hard to do just about anything... thats life!
im sorry she had to go through with it.
neillob11 3 years ago
you should check out some of my points/opinions i made. Ill message the link to ya. Im interested in your opinion. No matter what the view.
DuttyGyal718 3 years ago
sure!
neillob11 3 years ago
sure!
neillob11 3 years ago
Great presentation of a tough idea to get across, i agree completely.
Teknics 4 years ago
Abortion won't always cause the death of the fetus. The mother has the right to remove anything from her body. It's unfortunate that right now it causes the death of the fetus but it is essentially a parasite even to the point of suppressing the mother's immune system so it won't kill the fetus. It's not part of the mother's body and as such has no right to it.
ReligionIsACrutch 4 years ago 2
You sum it up perfectly. Make people see what they are actually doing, no more newspeak. I am a libertarian to the core, you are right, it is the body inside of your body.
Young girls who think they can have sex freely since they are "liberated" are sadly mistaken.
andyspeaking 4 years ago
The choice is up to you, be honest with yourself, ribbed, lubricated, flavored. Or nothing to protect yourself from the last person they had sex with?
MizMdonna 4 years ago
fetus is not a baby?...martin luther translated the latin bible into german and the latin term for fetus is baby, he did this so people would know what was happening, abortionists change the word baby back into "fetus" so people won't know what's happening.
parakeethands 4 years ago
The bible has nothing to with anything
BronzeEleven 4 years ago
your comment is so nonsensical i don't even know where to begin, you are woefully ignorant of many, many things. it was the bible that gave us western civilization, moral laws, freedoms, prosperity, abolished slavery, gave rights to women and children, convicts mankind of sin and tells us what we must do in order to be saved which is repent of sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity also gave us science, and great thinkers who discovered many good things...vaccination, listerine
parakeethands 4 years ago
Many languages use the same words for different meanings. It's called a Homonym.
In the times when Latinn was a common language I'm sure people didn't think a baby &a fetus were any different. But they are.
Of course people know what's happening. Not everyone are complete idiots.
THENMEE 4 years ago
I love it when people who've had the benefit of abortions seek to ban them for others. Way to go hypocrites!
animalliberation0961 4 years ago
John Newton a former slave-ship captain joined William Wilberforce in the campaign for abolition. He also wrote a tract about the cruelty of slavery, he was very instrumental in bring slaving to a halt in England which also help to end slavery in the USA; He also was the author of Amazing Grace.
Sometime they that understand it the most have been school by its suffering!
roevswade 4 years ago
Dear animal: Remember animals don't speak, much less write. First try to be human (if you can), and then get into the debate
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
mxz, you don't need to be insulting, and as the proud owner of a uterus, I'm perfectly qualified to not only join, but direct this debate.
People should never be forced to have children they don't want, it's bad business.
I am not a baby vending machine for childless couples.
I've often thought of making my son a shirt that says "Planned Wanted Safe & Loved. My mom's pro choice".
Believe me, if a soul wants to come here, it'll find a way.
animalliberation0961 3 years ago
Before saying I am insulting, re-read your comments and you'll know why I want to try to behave as a human (I mean, a civilized one)
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
"I used to believe that I can do whatever I want to with my own body."
You were totally correct. Your body is the one thing in the world that you can forever call your own, I would think that a woman such as yourself would appreciate that right a little more.
asblue91 4 years ago
I think it's pretty hilarious that pro-lifers keep raising the 'anesthesia' debate. If a zygote/embryo was never awake, has never been capable of thought or feeling, then that is completely different to being awake and then being under anesthetic. It's a completely incomparable and irrelivant argument to try and make.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
How do YOU know that an embryo was never awake? How does anyone know??? For all we know a 6 week old baby in the womb can already feel pain.
Medical science have been wrong before.
eggsellent1986 4 years ago
Umm wrong, see, in order to feel pain, or be awake or aware, cognitive, there needs to be a functioning brain with a CEREBRAL CORTEX which in turn produces BRAIN WAVES. Perhaps you should look this up, try reading something by Sykes. Medical science HAS been wrong before; it was wrong when it inferred electrical activity in the brain of a fetus as BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago 2
CONT - 2 completely different things. Pro-lifers always quote and refer to outdated or obsolite information and medical research, which half the time is not cited and comes from non-credible sources. At the end of the day, the fetus needs a cerebral cortex to feel pain - a 6 week old fetus doesn't have one. It only fully develops around the 20th week of gestation, when abortions are already illegal.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago 2
i dont really care, even if a baby at that stage is a blob, i still couldnt kill it and dont agree that anyone else should. That baby is trying to grow and become someone. U shouldnt just stop a NATURAL process bang in the middle. Hardly anyone having abortions are using protection anyway.
eggsellent1986 4 years ago
Point is, that "blob" as you've called it is NOT a baby. It is nothing but a "blob". It's not trying to grow up to be or do anything. It doesn't know it exists. And by the way, about 25-30% of pregnancies are NATURALLY aborted when the mother miscarries, which means if you get pregnant 3 times, roughly one of those pregnancies will be terminated by your own body. Abortion is a natural process.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
point is, that "blob"..."less than human" is the exact philosophy that Hitler used in order to murder other human beings...millions. anytime a person or group wants to eliminate another person or group of persons must first convince the public that these humans are not really humans. there was a time in history when even women were not considered fully human. think about it.
parakeethands 4 years ago
Hitler convinced Germany that Jews weren't human when clearly, they were. An embryo is a human embryo of course; it doesn't belong to a cat or dog. But it is not a *PERSON*; there is biological and scientific difference between a non-functioning "blob" and a 35 year old cognitive person. Hence the reason intelligent nations refuse to give personhood to a piece of tissue without a brain.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
Just because babies can easily miscarry before 3 months doesnt mean we should all start doing it on purpose. USE PROTECTION and not half of these abortions would be necessary.
How is abortion a NATURAL process???? It doesnt happen naturally!!??
No-one knows what really happens in the womb. The baby could know they exist, who are U to say they may not????
eggsellent1986 4 years ago
As I have said already, in order to an entity to have sentience and self-awareness, they need a functioning brain. Unless it has one, there is no speculation as to whether or not it knows it exists, it simply doesn't.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
i think therefore i am?
neillob11 3 years ago
Lol. True and not true. The village idiot can think like an idiot and still be a genious or saviour to some. :-D
DuttyGyal718 3 years ago
therefore increase access to protection! education and protection=lower abortion rates.
have you or your dog/pet ever had worms? that is a 'natural process' that is commonly stopped bang in the middle.
neillob11 3 years ago
well said
neillob11 3 years ago
You're right, you don't have 4 arms, 4 legs, 2 heads etc. But you don't have any of those things inside you when an embryo is 4 weeks old either. You have a piece of tissue indistinguishable from the embryo of any other vertebrate mammal. It has no arms, no legs, no eyes, no brain, no spine, no lungs, no thought, no reasoning, no feeling. All you have is something with the potential to become a person in a few months' time.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
Most find out they are pregnant at approx 6 weeks, by the baby has arms legs eyes ears fingers toes and a heart. How is that indistinguishable tissue???
eggsellent1986 4 years ago
Many woman intelligently choose to have an abortion, and are relieved they did.
If you don't like abortions, don't have one.
Just because you regret the decision you were entrusted with, that doesn't mean you should take away another woman's RIGHT TO CHOOSE. It is a sad day when we force women to be unwillingly fetal incubators. CHOICE!!!
converse02 4 years ago
converse02, are you aware of high percentage of women having or have had an abortion were coercers or forced into it. What is your feeling about these women?
roevswade 4 years ago
many intelligent women choose to eat their doggone lean cuisine instead of a burger and fries and they are relieved they did, if you dont like lean cuisine, don't eat one. just because you regret the decision you were entrusted with...life you were entrusted with, that doesn't mean you should take away another's right to choose to live..(the baby's right to live), it is a sad day when "intelligent" women (girls) don't have intelligence enough to say no to sex until marriage.
parakeethands 4 years ago
Sex is one of the basic primal human needs and urges. Sex is for enjoyment, hence the reason a woman has a clitoris and a man's penis is so sensitive. Also, just because a person is a virgin until marriage, doesn't mean they automatically need to start spitting out babies once they tie the knot. A woman can get pregnant after she is married and still not want a kid (oh no!).
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
Wrong again, Sex is for reproduction, the fact that is it pleasurable is to facilitate reproduction, therefore it ensures Survival and continuation of the species, abortion goes against nature! Would you want to reproduce if it was painful and excruciating to have sex? no, so that is why nature made it pleasurable.
ivana331 4 years ago
Wrong, sex is for reproduction amongst animals, hence the reason pleasurable sex is limited to humans, chimps and dolphins (3 of the most intelligent species on earth). Sex isnt painful and excruciating for every other organism on earth, it just isnt fun. We don't have these bits and pieces to make sex fun if we weren't meant to have it for fun. Makes sense doesn't it?
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
We are all animals in some way or another, and deny it all you want the main purpose for sex is for reproduction. I am done responding to you, we each have our differing viewpoints and it's pointless to keep discussing this.
ivana331 4 years ago
"Would you want to reproduce if it was painful and excruciating to have sex?"
Obviously, you don't know what it's like to want a child so badly, you'd do anything.
asblue91 4 years ago
ok....I don't see what that has to do with my argument, but anyway for the majority of people sex is pleasurable.
ivana331 4 years ago
You'd do anything? Well then instead of bitching about abortion and how 'wrong' it is on youtube, go and adopt a few thousand of the millions of kids in the world that have no parents, no home, no stable life. There are 15 million AIDS orphans in Africa, and thousands of orphans in America. Until all the kids already on earth can be taken care of, women should not be guilted into having more if they don't want to.
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
misspriss, you misunderstood me. I never said I'd do anything- I don't want kids. I am pro-choice 100%
asblue91 4 years ago
You Puritans slay me. I wonder how many of you 'waited' until you married...
And why on earth would any woman want to save sex for marriage, the man could be a total train wreck in bed and then she'd be stuck.
animalliberation0961 4 years ago 2
Agree!
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
uh, I meant, I agree with ivana331
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
it can think. Brains waves are detected 40-45 days after conception. sure their thoughts are very primitive, but there is brain activity!
ivana331 4 years ago
Wrong.
"electrical activity" in fetal brainstem cells from 10 weeks of pregnancy (56 days after fertilization) on, but that doesn't mean much. An EEG involves measuring varying electrical potentials across a dipole, or separated positive and negative charges. Any living cell has an electrical potential across its membrane, and any living structure is a dipole (CONT) -
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
"which explains why people have been able to put electrodes on plants, hook them up to EEG machines, and get "evidence" that plants have feelings". - CONT
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
CONT - "So all that this research showed, and reported, about the brain development of 56-to-70-day embryos and fetuses is that they have live nerve cells present in their brainstems. This is not the same as "brain waves". Intermittent electroencephalograpic bursts in both cerebral hemispheres are first seen at 20 weeks gestation". (Margaret Sykes).
xxMISSxxPRISSxx 4 years ago
Life began billions of years ago. Anyways,
I do think abortion is necessary. Like when one is raped or, like for me, for instance, who has a weak uterus & a bad blood type and it's just better to abort the thing than to go through the hardships of having extensive medical bills because of my selfish need of wanting to keep such a thing even though that thing will eventually die and take me with it. I think the people around me would rather have me alive than dead.
JuciShockwave 4 years ago
Anyways now-a-days you can stop the egg from developing with a morning after pill. I don't use birth control pills due to side effects it gave me. Also there are abortions where you can take a pill and have a really bad period, which is why after that I did a surgery to remove my ovaries. It took awhile for my body to get use to, but hey better than ending up having to worry about a little fucker trying to kill me again.
JuciShockwave 4 years ago
so sorry for your hardship on that, and yes your life is valuable.
roevswade 4 years ago
Well, I won't reply directly Juci for she is too disgusting, but I ask myself why she shows so much hatred for her baby
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
your so right. who are we to decide?
PUNKY909 4 years ago
Before getting into whole discussion of abortion, what frigging bugs me is how people get pregnant haphazardly in the first place. Do you mix up your menstrual cycle? Does condom give you paper cuts on your penis? I mean for crying out loud, how hard is it for you people to avoid unwanted pregnancy? We don't live in the 1st century anymore. No undesired pregnancy, no abortion.
ariakokoschka 4 years ago
I got pregnant even though I was on birth control pills and my bf wore a condom. Oo That's fucked up and that's why I'm pro-choice. Luckily I just took a pill and gotten a really bad period and that was that. Like I said my case is really fucking rare but it happens regardless. If it weren't for that pill I'd be dead now, because the so-called innocent fucker tried to kill me and it's not even a month old. It was going to end up costing my family a fortune if I kept it.
JuciShockwave 4 years ago
Then either you need to switch the pills or method, and him learn how to use the condom properly. Early termination is also vital. I think by the 6th week, people should come to the conclusion, along with the partner, whether they do want to keep the child or not. But waiting until the Third Trimester is just down right wrong.
ariakokoschka 4 years ago
tried to kill you? but if isn't a conscience living being, as pro-abortionists say, how could it have a preconceived notion of murdering you? The fact that you claim that a month-old embryo tied to kill you sounds childish and ridiculous.
ivana331 4 years ago
JuciShockwave's (as well of other pro-choicers) way of writing is inadequate for a serious debate. Her commentaries are disgusting, especially when she speaks that way about her own baby. I think we must not reply insulting and disgusting comments until they learn to debate like civilized people.
Well, that's in MHO.
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
You are so annoying. You want to deprive women of their rights just to ease your own conscience. No-one forced you to have an abortion so don't force other women not to. Yuck.
longlivebillhicks 4 years ago
Sorry, longlive... you have real no idea where I have been or what I have been through, your presumption about me are wrong.
Are you aware that a very high percentage of women that have had abortion were coerced or manipulated into it. Are you aware of the deep emotion scaring that takes place in this act of forced abortion?
It is not a women's choice if she was forced!
roevswade 4 years ago
Unfortunately there has been also a high percentage of women who have been forced to have a long 9 month gestation against their will over the course of history as well. That has lasting effects on the psyche, too. That argument can easily backfire on you.
cvjucla3 4 years ago
would the psyche be more effected with the death of ones child vs. the life of ones child?
roevswade 4 years ago
Every situation is different & unique. There are inalienable rights and natural freedoms that should be experienced by the individual. And they need to have the freedom to choose, w/o being told by someone like yourself or an entity that thinks like you that they will be forced do something b/c you & your beliefs don't like it. Btw, take away one drunken night, and a person is also not "Here." DNA is not the only reason why you are alive!
cvjucla3 4 years ago
You're the only one around here that makes any sense at all. Thank you.
JuciShockwave 4 years ago
cv...America is a republic, a nation of laws governing moral behavior...laws based on beliefs, customs and mores...
if one follows your logic to conclusion, nothing should be legislated against...that makes you an anarchist, and subsequently, a fool...
grow up
carrying a child to term has no negative affect on the psyche...you're making up data on the fly...
runnerrk 3 years ago
"Carrying a child to term has no negative [effect] on the psyche." Do you speak for everyone who has had gone through a gestation? You must be omniscient? You show your ignorance when you speak in such absolute terms. Where you misstate my logic & conclude that I'm an anarchist, you make no sense. There already has been a ruling in favor of individual rights(Roe vs Wade) the right for the women to choose whether or not she wants to have an abortion, w/o people like you choosing for her.
cvjucla3 3 years ago 2
roe was classic usurpation...violation of separation of powers...and will almost certainly be overturned in the McCain admin...
childbirth is natural for women...negative psyche effect is virtually impossible...suicide is very high among women who have had abortions, however...as they realize too late they have murdered their own child
abortion and the constitution are two issues you should keep quiet on, as you're clearly ignorant on both...
runnerrk 3 years ago
No classic usurpation was Gore vs Bush, where the Court gave the election to Bush. But unlike you, I respect The Rule of Law. For some women childbirth is natural; but for some it's not; to say that rearing a child has virtually no possible negative effect whatsoever is an ill-informed and irresponsible statement. I would suggest that you stop making ignorant and absolute statements that you cannot prove. You sound ridiculous. Most women that have had abortions are pleased w/ the results.
cvjucla3 3 years ago
cvjucla3, most women that I have talk with are not happy or pleased with the end results of their abortion. myself I feel it was the most hurtful thing that I personal have ever been thougth. this is my feeling as a post abortion women.
just a note; I was uninformed and irresponsible when I got an abortion.
roevswade 3 years ago
RoevsWade, I already had this discussion w/ you. But I will reply to you in a future PM if you'd like.
cvjucla3 3 years ago
I see that you like Nietzsche, does he say anything about abortion in his writings, I have read some on his stuf.
roevswade 3 years ago
Bush defeated Gore... dem voter fraud (117% turnout in philidelphia's heavily dem precincts) notwithstanding...
roe is classic usurpation...courts legislating law...stop pretending to be obtuse...if you're pretending...
most women who have abortions are devastated in the aftermath...stop lying...my statement was that 9 months of pregnancy does not have a negative affect on a woman's psyche, not even in rape instances...
I know of what I speak...you're the babbling fool here...
runnerrk 3 years ago
Bush stole the election. There were countless reports of disenfranchisment among voters in Florida. There were reports of roadblocks being set up by former Governor "Bush" halting voter turnout in some counties. It was
determined that if the all votes were counted, Gore
would of clearly won. You can't make a blanket statement "that 9 months of pregnancy does not have a negative [effect] on a woman's psyche, not even in rape instances." That is just factually and logically inaccurate, you dope.
cvjucla3 3 years ago
Gore sought to handpick fla precincts for recount and attempted to surpress counting overseas military ballots..the USSC prevented the farce initially foisted on citizens by the fla SC..Bush won legitimately
less than 10 % of rape victims become empregnated..most of these decide to keep the baby, many testifying that the pregnancy/child was very instrumental in their psychological healing..it is reckless to contend that pregnancy per se can be "psyche negative"
runnerrk 3 years ago
Bush won the election by a 5 to 4 majority in the Supreme Court. Gore had won the popular vote and would of won the Fla. electorate if the lady who made the butterfly ballot was at all competent. This case is similar to Roe vs. Wade b/c both cases were decided by a narrow margin. Worst case scenario for women will be a ruling that devolves power at the state level. I never said that a pregnancy "per se" can be negative. This sounds more like your kinda absolute thinking. I believe in freedom.
cvjucla3 3 years ago
you believe in irresponsible living...with no accountability...you are weak and characterless...
state legislatures are where the issue belongs...you've no understanding of the constitution's separation of powers...
grow up, sonny...
runnerrk 3 years ago
I will gladly choose freedom rather than your narrowminded, scared to live life mindset. If RvW is ever reversed, the ruling from the Court would devolve power to the states. It's a bad idea, b/c it would divide the Nation further. The SC will never make a Constitutional Amendment, ruling against a women's right to choose, whereupon the whole nation would have to adhere to the Court's decision. Currently, we have a Constitutional Amendment in favor of the women's right to choose. Good ruling.
cvjucla3 3 years ago 2
"So if you don't support abortion on demand, you're against women's rights." The truly sad fact about this thought is the total lack of understanding it shows for what Roe v. Wade has done to American women. The reality for thousands of American women is that Roe v. Wade only means the memory of a dead child and a lifetime of emotional or physical damage that no one in our society wants to talk about.
roevswade 3 years ago
Tragically many people chooses to continue to reinforce the out dated notion that abortion is what women really want when faced with a difficult pregnancy. Thirty years of rhetoric hasn't made Roe v. Wade a victory for American women but it has made a nightmare for many.
roevswade 3 years ago
not even in rape cases? R U SERIOUS?!?!? you have met every single pregnant rape victim that has ever been? you cant make such sweeping statements. just because you say it doesnt have a negative effect doesnt make it so. common sense dictates that something as physically and emotionally taxing as having your body occupied by a living organism for 9 months is going to leave its mark whether it was a desired pregnancy or not.
leiapeison 3 years ago
just because childbirth is natural does not make it desirable or something that women are obligated to endure. read up a little on post partum psychosis and depression if you want to know a little about the psychiatric effects of pregnancy. not to mention what can and often does happen to a womans body because of being pregnant.
leiapeison 3 years ago
They're both effective. Depending on the person(s). Not everyone is like you (pro-life)nor like me(pro-choice). People ought to choose for themselves. I doubt you protest against someone putting their dog to sleep. If life is so precious than why is it that one life has more value than another? Why allow two lives to die when one can be saved? I know I nearly died because my so-called month old "innocent" bastard. Do I feel guilty for living? No! Plus my bf is glad I'm alive too.
JuciShockwave 4 years ago 2
were you forced? if so thats a shame... and yes it is wrong to force anyone to do anything, and i think thats what longlivebillhicks was hinting at.
neillob11 3 years ago
You will never be able to reconcile the fact that a fetus belongs to the woman in question. Roe vs Wade is the law of the land. It was decided by legal minds far smarter than you or I. Also, you so desperately want every child to be mandatorily born, yet you can give a "rat's ass what happens to the child after he or she is born. If you ever have driven on the 405 freeway in L.A., Calif., you would be in favor of abortions.
cvjucla3 4 years ago
Thank for taking the time to comment, yes I would agree that there are some very intelligent man and women that service in the seats of power.
but would you take the time to reflect on some past juridical judgments that were black stains in the USA recorded history.
sometimes in retrospect see can see the past void of bias, and modern day physiological paradigms.
would you take the time to look up
The famous Dred Scott v. Sandford case of 1856
roevswade 4 years ago
I will review it. I know the basics of it. It involves a former slave fighting for his freedom along state lines, from what I remember, against a former master. Would you be so kind my dear to look over 'Brown vs. The Board of Education?' Just so we can compare notes, while we're at it.
cvjucla3 4 years ago
thank, I will look it up right now!
roevswade 4 years ago
Roe vs. Wade happened in 1973. Judges were neither geneticists nor physicians nor biologists. They were not unanimous in their decision. So the Court's rule is not infallible. Let the judges improve their knowledge and reverse Roe vs. Wade
mxzptlk10 3 years ago
100% agreed. Actually, the lady who fought to legalize abortion IS NOW PRO-LIFE!! She has changed around her views! Amazing, if she has changed like that, I think she has a good argument, lol.
KaneFenton4Freedom 3 years ago
Because she is a dumb kook.
animalliberation0961 3 years ago
oh wow. You really konw how to debate and change peoples minds, lol. Just leave some stupid comment like that. How about we have a mature debate? Is that too hard. I think that if a lady went from that strong of a pro-choice person to a strong pro-lifer, I think she'll have a good reason to do so and a good argument. I mean, if you can't handle my arguments, you'd just run away from her, lol.
KaneFenton4Freedom 3 years ago
Ha, you are right. Animals are too busy on their liberation these days. Sorry they aren't capable of reasoning and just bark.
mxzptlk10 3 years ago