@crazyknight2008 Oh get over yourself already! Do you know how many Somali children have STARVED to death in the past 3 months because of al Jebab? Do you know how many Sudanese have been slaughtered in the past 5 years by Islamist Jihad, how many Lebanese, Algerians, Chadians? 100,000 Copts have fled Egypt in the past 3 months We are dealing with bandits who want women in sacks to hide their injuries and want a penal code that includes flogging, stonings, maimings, mutilation and beheading.
I love libtards who say waterboarding is torture...how about this, have your family member be in a city where there is a bomb, and you have a terrorist in custody whos not talking. whats better to do, waterboard or sit down with them and have a seltzer water? hahahaha
Does anybody notice that when the young turks talk about savage they don't talk politics, they just take cheap shots. Let them know that they are full of shit.
Ok Dr Savage then we should just shoot every one in gitmo and get it over with according to Savage's comment. Though I dont agree it would save us a ton of money
"torture" bla bla bla. Shoot the mother fuckers to death. If we wouldn't have stopped them they would have killed innocent people. If we let them live they might escape and do what they planned from the beginning. Shoot the barbaric 7th century animals.
Why on earth do people who claim to despise the big bad government and not trust it further than they can throw it, all of a sudden doing a complete 180 here? They suddenly feel just dandy allowing the government to fly around the world, kidnap whoever they want for whatever reason they want, without telling anyone, and doing whatever they want to those people in the name of national security!? Are you nuts???
FACT: While captured foreign nationals are not protected by the U.S. Constitution they ARE protected under Section 4 of the Geneva Convention.
FACT: Torture has not been purported by ANY respected interrogation official or legal expert to produce valid or usable life saving or plot foiling information. In fact it gives us exactly the OPPOSITE because it is coerced lying just to stop the torture.
FACT: We do not live up to the VALUES we claim to cherish if we permit torture
@swburton316 Hello??? Waterboarding was frequently used at Guantanimo, DUH. That's what it has to do with it. Savage wants to keep it going on and I'm saying he likes to talk big even though he himself wouldn't be able to handle waterboarding. He claimed in another segment that waterboarding wasn't torture, and he's wrong. It definitely is torture. He just likes to act like he's tough.
@VitalSigns1 Hello??? I bet you're right, he couldn't take waterboarding - but who the fuck cares?! He isn't out there blowing up buildings with innocent civilians in them or flying planes/driving cars into shit or committing other acts of terrorism, which is generally what got the GITMO's the punishment in the first place. The argument has nothing to do with whether or not Savage could handle it - it has everything to do with making those lowlife fucks suffer for ruining so many lives.
@swburton316 You've just displayed that you possess an aspect of hate and vengeance. You want these people to be tortured not because it will get information, but simply because you want them to suffer. You're crazy. By the way how do you know that all these people are terrorists? Not all muslims are terrorists idiot. In fact most of them aren't. Most of them are just like you and me (well maybe not you): just good people who want peace in this world.
@VitalSigns1 ...what?! I know that they are terrorists because if they weren't terrorists, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now because they wouldn't have been treated that way in the first place. Keep in mind that the reason they are put through the treatment is because they have committed acts of terrorism.
@swburton316 What kind of logic is that? You know that they're terrorists because the CIA decided to torture them, and the CIA decided to torture them because they're terrorists...pure circular reasoning. Pure idiocy.
Hey RETARD, the reason they were @ Gitmo in the first place is that THEY COMMITTED ACTS OF TERRORISM.
Are you kidding me? Are you seriously that stupid? It has NOTHING to do with circular reasoning. If they hadn't committed acts of terrorism, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Please, refrain from exposing any further ignorance and restrain your fingers from typing any more of that shit.
@swburton316 How the fuck do you know they committed acts of terrorism huh??? Because they admitted it, ONLY AFTER BEING WATERBOARDED?? Holy fuck you can't be that stupid. You can get people to say ANYTHING you want if you waterboard them. It's NOT a reliable way to know the truth. That's what's so fucked up about the whole waterboarding thing.
hey RETARD, if you honestly believe that every prisoner in gitmo is a terrorist or committed an act of terrorism then you are nothing short of a fucking idiot who should sterilize himself and then lock himself in a closet in russia for the sake of humanity as a whole.
@HRH787 OK I did not say that EVERYONE there was a terrorist - but look at the list of detainees and you'll see that the vast majority of them are there for that reason.
So don't call me a retard, because I am smarter than you. Unlike you, I am a productive member of society. You, on the other hand, would better serve the world by deep throating a 12 gauge and blowing whatever lack of intelligence exists in your brain right through the top of your head.
@WizardPrinceBreon dude shut the fuck up, you have no real reason to appose him other than the fact that you disagree with him. by the way I haven't heard a rant that Bias since CNN last night.
@uzimodem you mean go wiener!!!! your part of wiener nation! and libtards or libturds are the stupidest names ive ever heard. id be embarrassed to even say that word. he gets dumbass "democrat" or "liberal" callers and acts like we all think like that or are that stupid. it be like picking out a backwards, no teeth, illiterate from the tea party and saying all repubs are like that. then quizzing them on current events and when they dont get it right say "see!!! all repubs. are like this!!!"
@pat442389 LOL have you seen the names you "libturds" have uttered dumbass? LOL you really need to do your research BOY. I perfer libturd then : mutherfucker, cocksucker, anal licker, ass kisser muslim humping libturd cocksucker. But hey, if you want, I can use those too BOY. fucking moron.
@uzimodem haha no wonder our country is screwed up. how old are you? or are you gonna say "well u started it!" libtard. seriously im embarrassed for you right now. on a scale of 1-10 how turned on does that picture of Micheal "Savage" real last name Wiener make you? too bad u republicans talk about the 50s and 60s as the golden age but fail to see the middle class was stronger due to regulations, higher corporate taxes and big banks hadnt owned every republican. by the way books arent the devil
@pat442389 :wow, that comment is like all over the place. very little coherence and the message is like "out there." LOL Wiener showed his Wiener, not a repub dufus. 50's and 60's? what the hell is that about? LOL the golden age? and the fact that Wall Street gives more money to DEMS and gave Obumbles more money to a prez in history? LOL DEMS and Wall Street are butt monkeys dumbass. jeez, your really not too bright are you? go back to comic books, less confusing for you BOY. Pathetic.
@uzimodem the comment wasnt all over the place. its just hard for you to read so it seems that way. BOY? is that your pet name for me or something? i know you already like to fantasize about micheal wiener savaging your ass. so wait obama got more $ from wall st then james monroe! obviously dumb ass im sure mccain was #2 and hilary was #3 all time. real democrats supported the poor and middle class. the GOP served their puppet masters on wall st. u really love defending ur hero. ur a loser
@pat442389 well BOY, you are just one of hundreds of dumbass libturds on youtube who has the IQ of a tick. the DEMS dont serve anyone but themselves. and the fact you are an ignoramous that the DEMS get more money and support from Wall Street then those evil Repubs!!! Did you get that BOY? wall street and the dems? fucking dumbass. not even a challenge. quite boring you are actually. but i have time to kill.
Do you have any brain at all? Sorry, but you totally ignore what I write all the time. I said you cannot blame the gov, when people make bad decisions. Now you tell me the opposite and say that we agree in this. Yes, guy,just blame the gov for everything, its so easy... Fact is, the two financial crises happened in times of low financial regulation, that alone should tell you something.Of course gov is the one making gov debts,but hey you are a democracy,dont inflict on yourself, change yourself
What does "medical discoveries" mean? How is that measured? Number of homeopathic medicals? Number of MD theses? The cancer survival rate thing is a fallacy, because it depends on a lot of factors which vary amoung countries, for ex. how many people get what kind of cancer.Some kinds are 100% curable, others almost uncurable.Prostate cancer is very curable,and its outbreak is amoung other factors depended on unhealthy food.That americans eat more unhealthy than the rest of the world is no secret
@basticz: 90% of all "wonder" drugs that have helped the world have come from USA. U are correct about Americans eating bad, & it should really bother u that a very large % of the bad eaters & obese people r on govt food stamps & govt aid, which plays huge role in their ability to buy expensive fatty foods rather than the cheaper low fat NECESSITIES. whats worse is they r on medicaid too. (which i pay for) every time I go to store people on EBT buying sugar pop, processed foods, ice cream etc.
@pmango1000 Do you base your claims on the reasons for Icelands bankruptcy on some professional opinion? What you write sounds very implausible to me, because like most contries, Iceland reduced government control over the financial sector years before it happened. Just from looking at the facts quite the opposite seems to be true.
@basticz: USA's financial problems stemmed from BAD regulation, not "less regulation" Financial industry is one the heaviest regulated industries, among pharma, healthcare, energy etc. AS a matter of fact, GOVT is problem in every sector & only adds to cost & slows growth of all of these sectors. Who lowered the Fede funds rate to 1% making housing "affordable"? who passed legislation for Freddie & Fannie & let Wall Street know they had a guaranteed subprime mortgage market? Who created CRA?
@pmango1000 the word"affordable"means you can afford it.Now you say it was bad to have low interest rates,because then people are fooled into thinking they could afford something when in fact they cant.You basically say by doing so people cant think for themselfes to know what they can afford and what not. That might be true,but in this case its not the govs fault,but the peoples fault,period. Before you even said inflation is bad,you don't even know that inflation and interest rates are coupled
In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@basticz : who gives a shit about Germany?Again a bunch of LEFTISTS who also squandered their wealth through govt expansion..not one time in history has bigger govt made a country stronger in long run...OUR FOUNDERS KNEW THIS and it was basis of the founding of our country. You probably love FDR, FDR is one the MAIN reason we are broke today, him and Johnson's policies have bankrupted us and Bush's expansion of medicare presription will will kill US too..add in Obama & wow!
@pmango1000 well,you seem to give a shit,because you tried to show that what theyre doing is bad for their economy,which obviously is not true.Also oil price in usa is extremely low compared to the rest of the world.But you seem to be the only one still complaining.Yes,prices get higher with taxes, and yes everyone has to pay them.Wake up,thats the way the world works, those are the dollars that pay for the infrastructure everyone uses. Overregulated? Dereg started with Clinton and still goes on
@pmango1000 whatever maybe your governemt should spend a few extra dollars on education, then people like you would not exist that pretend to know something, ignore arguments and just repeat the same rants again and again. In europe there are also some less educated people who are against government, they are called anarchists. Besides blowing up a police car every now and then, they are not so loud though.
@basticz: thats ur "explanation"??? well sir you have just excepted socialism...and ur "education" literally has taught u nothing because u were spoon fed that shit all ur life. of course, moron leftist would refer to someone who wants less govt as an anarchist...typical trying to end debate by calling that anarchy...idiot.so i guess that makes u a communist
@pmango1000 Well, you labeled me a leftist and socialist from the beginning, I always talked about topics, you ranted. So its only fair for my conclusion after looking over all you wrote and how you responded to my arguments to call you uneducated and an anarchist, because now after reading it I have a reason for doing so. You labeled me from the beginning, so don't complain.
@basticz: ur damn right i said ur a socialist...whats wrong with that? is it a bad word to u? I You are in denial, as everyone of your arguments was in favor of larger govt ie: socialism and leftist thinking...don't be ashamed of who you are....I'm proud to be on the right, but I'm no anarchist...your explanation of high taxes was "thats the way the world works" gave u away. keep on giving in so the private citizen can support govt pensions that have bankrupted us all, sheep
@pmango1000 I am not in denial, I know I share a few opinions with those you call leftists. But I like to have my own opinion on any topic instead of just identifying myself with a group of people. I know you cant understand that, but maybe you might if you think a little and read back your comments and compare what you accused me of thinking to what I actually said. You have a certain image of leftists in your mind, and i'm sorry but I dont fit your image.
@basticz: of course you are entitled to ur opinion...call it what ever you want...you just don't get it...if you are for government running thing or believe that govt knows best, you are for an unsustainable society...history proves it over and over again. government HURTS those that it says its trying to help and takes private $ to run, as govt becomes too much of a % of society, its unsustainable
@pmango1000 By what definition is USAs current system more sustainable?The USgov debts are the highest in the world(you ignored that completely when I first gave you that fact),same for private households.I for one find it unsustainable to let almost 100000 people die each year because of ignorance.Look up the facts,and you would see that the US system is unsustainable.I never said gov always knows best,sometimes I said even the opposite.But companies have no interest to solve certain problems
@basticz : I didnt say USA was "more sustainable"wtf? I said USA is becoming more like Europe's system, duh! Thats the entire financial debate: USA's debt is unsustainable, too much govt,
PS: 90% of all medical discoveries come from USA
PSS: turn over hcare to govt, & 100k deaths due to lack of hcare will look good. govt take over would most likely triple that death rate. USA has HIGHEST survival rates of most major diseases like cancer...govt controlled countries ration the care, fact!
@basticz :and sorry, USA's debt IS NOT highest in world compared to GDP (as a % of GDP) Greece = BK Iceland = BK and if you dont think govt is answer to everything, then quit using it as examples of how to fix everything.
PS: use facts that actually back your arguments, anyone can state a fact, but it may not have anything to do with debate
@pmango1000 also USA's high GDP is mostly made by people pushing other peoples money around, the real economy (production etc) has a smaller part in that than in most other countries. Iceland has the population of a small city, so its no big deal. But what if the USA goes bankrupt? The absolute numbers are more important for the worldwide economy when that happens(not saying that is likely to happen in the near future, there are too many people there with big influence)Greece is not bankrupt btw
@basticz : ok, your are saying that GDP doesn't count as part of a country's measurement of wealth or an economic indicator, ok..Anyway, doesn't matter if Iceland is small, they failed on a smaller scale which means countries larger with same system as Iceland, could fail too, that IS what we are worried about. and Greece did go bk, they had to borrow from IMF. Iceland's bk was from the false belief that financial engineering (designed by govt) can be successful
@pmango1000 I didnt even write about wealth,please read again.I said that the absolute amount of debts are more important in case of a bankruptcy for the world economy.But what am I wasting my time with you.You dont even know what bankruptcy is.Greece is not bankrupt.What do these 90% mean?Number of units sold in US or worldwide or value of sold drugs nation-,worldwide or number of drugs invented no matter if they work or are being used?If you dont know, just give your sources so I can find out.
@basticz : bankruptcy only happens if you cannot SERVICE the debt, USA can service the debt, at the detriment of the $'s value, and cuts in spending in important productive areas. It also leads to tax increases, which will kill jobs
I didn't say USA is bankrupt,which would obviously be wrong. I tried to explain the scenario in case it went bankrupt in more or less the current state. You on the other hand said Greece is bankrupt, which is wrong. Youre right, s.o is bankrupt when he cannot pay the debts. Normally debts are paid by making more debts, so you go bankrupt when nobody wants to lend you anymore.A country can thus hold up as long as it seems more reliable than the rest, so USA plays 'make believe', and it works well
@basticz: ok, so we both agree: govt interference causes people to make bad decisions and become less productive,reliant on govt, thus leading to worse economic conditions and redistribution of income from people who are productive. This was my point from the beginning. USA has been moving towards this for decades, like Europe
@basticz : what I meant was you were discounting USA's high GDP as just "people shifting $ around or whatever, thereby discounting the fact that USA does indeed have $14 trillion GDP. You basically said GDP doesnt matter
@pmango1000 I just said that the GDP doesn't tell the whole story, because like any "analytical" number which only exists on paper, there is a lot of factors that can play into it. And when speaking of a possible bankruptcy its wrong to just divide the debts by the GDP, when a big part of the GDP is working on increasing the debts instead of creating value and thereby working on decreasing debts.
@basticz : and ps: of course a leftist like u thinks spending MORE on education will make people smarter, especially when it s fact that the US spends 2nd most per capita on education, yet grades and test scores keep going down. Socialists just say "throw more $ at the problem" well a person on the right knows its FAMILY that keep the scores up, not spending billions more
@pmango1000 I know education costs a lot of money in the usa. A good university will cost more than the average parent can afford even for a single child. Maybe thats the reason you lack engineers and other people that actually create value but dont have so high income, instead of people making huge amounts of money by moving other peoples money around.
Yes, we are on the same page that government should save money, it should not print money out of control, it should not influence markets by flooding everything with money. But I am for regularization, to make sure people are not being robbed of their money. I am for carefully designing rules that help markets to not destroy themselfes. I dont see everything as black/white as you do. The market does not "heal itself" in every possible situation. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt.
@basticz : but financial markets are over regulated here in USA and its the very regulation that caused the financial meltdown, not the "evil wallstreeters" as most have been told. of course everyone wants fair markets, but govt MESSES up free market more than it helps it...actually most legislation passed actually hurts the very people its supposed to help, like the credit card leg and healthcare legislation
@basticz : dude, you do realize that all taxes put on corps are simply built into the price of the very items they sell? in ither wirds, put astupid 36% tax rate on a corp and all their customers simply PAY MORE...u think its great to tax "evil" oil?? Well Taxes are 25% of the prices of gas, and yes, poor people buy gas too. actually govt makes more than the oil companies make on gas or oil...FACT
So, USA is the last stand? No country is so high in debts (absolute numbers) as USA. USA a country of production? USA has a huge trade deficit. That means you consume way more than you are able to produce. Its a big bubble, waiting to splash. You can afford it at the moment, because the rest of the world lends you ther money, but wait and see what happens when people want to invest at home, because there their money is more safe. The victims? Those that lost their hard earned money is us banks.
@basticz : exactly, thank you for proving my point! as USA has moved LEFT or more like Europe with big government, USA has suffered and become in debt. Its government's fault. WE have so many govt pensions to guarantee and so many programs that its unsustainable. YES ur right! The banks are the victims here. And most private banks have paid back the tarp $, its AIG, FREDDIE AND FANNIE that havnt. Experts say Freddie and Fannie will need another $300 bill in Tarp $ to continue operations.
Sorry for wasting your time Mr. When-I-Run-Out-Of-Arguments-I-Attack-People. For your info I am not an American,instead I live in a country where people actually do give a shit what values it was founded upon.USA is Spineless.You accuse me of being socialist, but I'm not sure innocent people caught in your injustice system can make out a difference to Russia etc. You do what you accuse your enemies of doing, and then you expect international support. Weird world. Live on with your simple mindset
@pmango1000 where to begin?Your politics is toothless against big companies wall street etc.There is corruption all over(how could the oil spill happen in the first place with all those inspecting gov people?) Check Abu Gharaib, check mkultra. CIA has lots of pol. power.USA is not a democracy in that sense that political power is even remotely evenly distributed among the population (check Lawrence Lessig). You have wars for economic interests(Iraq?). You preach good and do bad (check D. Knuth)
@pmango1000 You maintain huge military to fight against the people you yourself trained to be terrorists a few years ago, but still fail. You have the heaviest equipped, biggest, most agressive police in civilized countries, high penalties, death penalty, high security prisons and still the highest crime rates, kills on the streets etc. Your doing something wrong there. You celebrate your freedom, but tase people who use it. Gov is protecting bp from journalists, who try to asses the damage.
@pmango1000 You are the richest of all civilized countries, still the only one that is unable to care for their poor. Democrats who are questioned by cia how they managed to get elected. Man i could go on and on.
@basticz : LOL..I can tell you NOTHING about America if you think are "poor" are not taken care of. Considering our "poor" have 1.5 cars, 2 tvs per household, have birthrate 2x's that of other clsses,running water, pets, housing, "free": utilities, "free" healthcare medicaid (for "poor") and only in USA can the "poor" have an OBESITY PROBLEM!!!! You better check ur facts before you challenge me
@pmango1000 well, facts... 50% of all americans are either uninsured or underinsured. Each year almost 100000 people die because of that. I guess having a car is a must when you live in a country that knows almost nothing of public transportation. Also having a TV is considered a basic living requirement in european countries (because you have to be an informed voter in a democracy). Malnurishment (being fat) is not a problem of the upper class in any country. It has to do with cheap fast food.
@basticz : well explained by the typical leftist as urself....if you want to debate, send me an email everything you just spewed can be easily proven wrong...I do not have enough room in here to write back to explain how ur wrong on every level...whats sad is you are son convinced that u understand how the world works, but ur clueless
@pmango1000 you wanted facts, now you cant handle them. Where am I wrong? Why do you call me a leftist instead of answering? Come on, i heard that would be easy...
@basticz :short version to your "explanation": USA was founded as a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. OUR FOUNDERS were against forming a democracy becasue they are destined for SOCIALISM, like EUROPE, its unsustainable. As you see today in UK, Italy Greece, Iceland etc...GOVERNMENT is reason for high healthcare,not the corporations. The reason why corporations need lobbyists is because GOVT IS TOO POWERFUL, healthcare is ALSO expensive because Americans have horrible lifestyles and abuse ins cont
@basticz : also the reason why Americans refuse to buy healthcare is because of GOVT handouts: USA is becoming the very system i=our founders RAN FROM. I know a leftist as urself cannot comprehend this. Also, I see u have contempt for private business and probably think taxing corps is good, but the taxes are simply passed on to the consumer (founders were against taxing income by the way) I could go on and on to show u why ur so wrong, but really dont have the time
@pmango1000 wow, you got me there.You know i always thought your founders ran from foreign rule and unequal taxation,now i found out they ran from democracy and equality of opportunities.Wayto go buddy.I have contempt for private businesses?Because I am for insurance?Sorry, I dont see the connection. Please check your facts. Problems in Europe are dereg. finan. industry (uk and iceland) and corruption (greece and italy).You dont have those problems in the more social states like scand and gemany
@basticz : yes, our founders ran from unfair taxation...income wasnt taxed until early 1900's, which was the real beginning of INFLATION & big government in USA. Creation of central bank moved the country so far left, we have never recovered. Fed was created and we had 2 depression soon after, coincidence? Problems is Europe have nothing to do with "dereg", its all the entitlement programs and deficit spending that has caused the mess...Europe's model is UNSUSTAINABLE & USA is following
@pmango1000 the financial crisis originated in the usa because a lot of people bought homes that could not afford it, bankers are paid by the amount of credits they give, not by the actual earnings from them, so they gave out credits to people who they even knew they cant afford to pay. banks gambled with financial products they didnt even fully understand themselfes. A lot of european money is in us banks, this is why eu is suffering. You have to regulate to keep the money of people save
@pmango1000 btw there is no such thing as the european model. I think you are referring to then scandinavian model, and countries that adopted it seem to hold up very well compared to the rest, so I fail to see what you mean with unsustainable. About taxation a hundred years ago: do you want the roads etc. of those poor fellows back? Maybe you should reduce military/secret service expenses to those they had (before ww i), but the rest serves you mostly well imo
@basticz: how cant u see that European socialism doesn't work? Greece, Iceland etc bankrupt and everybody has finally woken up, but the REAL experts have been predicting that for decades because those models allow more people to TAKE from the doles than paying into it...its unsustainable
@pmango1000 yes, experts predicted the financial crisis as result of the deregulation years ago. You arent even interested in looking into the reasons. Europe is not one nation as usa. Politics are vastly different in every country. Please check the facts for reasons why what happens instead of just blaming europe for caring for their poor. Youre uninformed and try to make up for that by stating the same misconceptions again and again.
@basticz: EUROPEAN markets are more regulated than America, and they too crashed which proves that regulation HURT business, did not help it . Business creates the most jobs, therefore govt HURTS the poor by destroying jobs and creating DEPENDENCE on govt. so whether there is not a European model as u say, whatever Europe is doing AINT WORKING!! How can u argue that? Quit using the poor example cause the very fact that Europe has big govt & POOR is the very proof that big govt creates poverty
@basticz: of course Europe is not a nation, & it should tell u that FREE ENTERPRISE works because USA, one nation, became worth MORE than all of Europe combined. But in the last 40 years, USA has passed laws that model itself to the very job killing policies that have destroyed Europe. Yes, I said DESTROYED...Europe's future is screwed unless they strip govt of their power. U are arguing history here dude, stop it. USA used to not have any debt and there was little personal debt too
@pmango1000 youre confusing originators and victim of the crisis. Whatever, you are not open for arguments, instead you answer by stating the same shit again and again. European welfare states are poor? Look at the most social welfare state, norway and compare gdp per capita to usa.
@basticz: sorry but Norway doesnt claim 90% of all medical discoveries, USA does. Norway doesnt produce the manufacturing that USA does either. Iceland also is ranked #6 in in gdp per capita, but they are bankrupt, LOL.. so that statistic u gave is shit. So if they are so "rich" why does welfare spending go up in Norway every year?Yes, u are correct I'm not open for arguments, why? : because history proves big govt is bad and Free Enterprise system works. USA is the last stand on earth but..
@pmango1000 we know now what happens, when we want to have our money back from us banks (oops... sorry... lost it...) even now the only way to get money for the usa is to make rating agencies give bad ratings to european contries. And if thats not enough, you start printing money as if you own the world. This is how the usa holds up. But you are faaar from being the productive nation that could stand on its own just by selling their products.
@basticz: ok, we are on the same page, its USA's govt with centralized control thats the problem. I dont understand then why earlier you were saying that Europe's system is so great because there are plenty of countries in worse condition than USA. USA does have the resources to grow, but govt has been holding her back
@pmango1000 sorry, it was a typo. I didnt mean to say that banks are the victims, but those that gave their money to the banks, and the banks gambled with it so they couldnt pay back people who were trying to save money for themselfes when they grow old. But in essence what you say is america has much bigger problems than europe (huge trade deficit etc) because they started to emulate europe few years ago? This just makes no sense at all. Sorry.
@pmango1000 "The U.S trade deficit is a bigger threat to the domestic economy than either the federa budget deficit or consumer debt and could lead to political turmoil... Right now, the rest of the world owns $3 trillion more of us than we own of them." (Warren Buffet, one of the richest americans, he knows something about economy)
@basticz: and warren buffet should know that Most of that trade defict is from OIL...which the GOVERNMENT (along with psycho environmentalists) blocks US drilling, exploration, and have blocked a new refinery since 1976 ...ironically, the only refinery which is scheduled to finally open in Tennessee is being built by BP, which will be bankrupted by the US govt
@pmango1000 most of the trade deficit is from oil? Where do you get this bullshit from? Germany has no own oil, still is has a huge trade surplus. Its bps responsibility to pay for the damage theyve done, dont you think?
@basticz: America's dependence on foreign oil drives the trade deficit. In 2009, the U.S. imported over $253 billion in petroleum-related products while only exporting $49 billion.Petroleum-related products include crude oil, natural gas, fuel oil and other petroleum-based distillates such as kerosene. This oil-related deficit of $204 billion was over half of the total 2009 trade deficit of $380.7 billion. (Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Trade, Exhibit 9)
@basticz : wrong! we believe in renewable energy as long as it isnt FORCED onto the markets to DESTROY the economy and if doesnt raise cost of FOOD (like biofuels have done to grain prices making them unaffordable for food thanks libs!) look dude, the right is for smaller government, like the FOUNDERS get that through your head...the government is also main reason why oil is so expensive
@pmango1000 If importing oil is such a big problem, then you should be happy that the government puts high taxes on it, so us companies reduce their dependencies on it in the future. Maybe this is why importing oil is no problem for germany, even if they have to import 100% of what they need, because they have a much higher price for it. You still didnt explain why countries like germany are doing so good compared to usa, when they are the "bad role model"
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
@basticz I am also against reducing taxes without carefully trying to find places where the government can save money without doing harm to their own people and world wide economy. You just want to flee the responsibility for your children to pay off the governments depts with their taxes by wanting to reduce your own taxes. Think future for a split second please.
@basticz: LOL...so are you saying RAISE taxes to reduce the debt? Future? I see the future coming and it aint pretty...you can lower taxes and cut spending
@basticz : of course, when faced with reducing government YOU only mention to cut the MILITARY spending. Get a clue, yes waste is prominent in military, but waste is prominent in EVERY facet of government, so u continually pointing out that military is large expense is moot. Without military, USA would have fallen long ago. Yes military waste needs to be cut, but maybe u should point out that USA spends $600 + a year on welfare (federally) & medicaid & most does not go to the TRULY poor
@nockuout1 Oh and if you read the Constitution you might see something in there that actually says individuals have the right to exercise free speech so why don't you learn how to be more open and tolerate new ideas and stop living in Fox News Neo-Con based reality of non critical thinking. Turn off your television and start doing some investigative journalism on your own. How anybody can find this savage guy appealing is beyond me. It's like trying to have a conversation with a stubborn drunk.
@nockuout1 OH you do know Michael Savage was a draft dodger right? He's making a pretty good living off of people that can't follow money trails. Go take a Government job and then tell me how productive your day was how much work you accomplished and then tell me about everything that was wasted that could have actually gone back into Educating Feeding Clothing and medically taking care of Americans? Politicians give us the illusion that we have a choice this country was bought in 1913.
@nockuout1 and here's the other thing what makes you think I care if you believe I was in the Army Infantry or not? I'm not surprised you don't your probably living your whole life in denial. 172ndSBCT Fort Wainright Alaska it's now the 25th Id hhc 2/1 Battalion Mortars. I actually did go to Mosul for 12 months then we were extended to Baghdad 3 days before our main body was go to back home. Rumsfeld even gave an apology to the families back on wainwright for fucking everyone over.
@nockuout1 I love my country so much I joined the Army Infantry and served in Iraq for 16 months after 9/11 and got out with an honorable discharge after they passed the Patriot Act. And after Bush said the Constitution is just a piece of paper 172nd SBCT HHC 2/1 INF what did you do again? Oh you listen to the Draft Dodging Micheal Savage LMao okay bud your too funny. have a nice NEO-Con day.
I didn't know Osama is in gitmo, neither that he ever was. Instead I know that there are a lot of innocent people there, otherwise it wouldn't be so hard to simply close gitmo and put them all on a court trial. But I see that human rights of course are only for american citizens, not for "all men" as a certain document puts it. The question remains: how would you like it, if I arrest you from your home and bring you in a torcher prison on the other side of the world solely based on speculation?
@basticz You have no idea what you're talking about. The animals in gitmo are not "a lot of innocent people". Have you listened to the soldiers stories of the arrests of these guys? One in particular strikes me, as the pig was literally pulled off a little girl he was raping because his side of the "peaceful religion" of Islam was no longer running things. They put people in wood chippers FEET FIRST to kill them, Poisoned Kurdish children, Had rape and torture rooms...INNOCENT???
@basticz The reason why it's "so hard" to "simply" put them on trial as citizens is because they AREN'T citizens. There is NO legal precident for it. They are not citizens, are not protected by a "certain document", do not have the right to have the actual citizens pay for their legal defense, do not have the right to be release in this country after a trial or on bail as they are not legal "immigrants" even. They are war prisoners who should be tried as such by a military court.
@basticz Also, your fantasy about Gitmo being a "torcher prison" (sic) is just BS propaganda. There is nothing wrong with Gitmo. That prison camp has been crawling with the press, the UN, the Red Cross, and DOZENS Democrats. . After countless inspections and investigations, they all admit that its a model facility and detainees are treated very well. The worst thing they had to report (and even hyped the media) was that some of the prisoners were GAINING TOO MUCH WEIGHT from being TOO WELL FED.
@EffieReal: No torcher prison? Then whats the torcher equipment for? The official reports about waterboarding, etc are lies? Also its impossible to trial non citizens on a civil court? A president who wants to close it, is able to pay the defense. Unless there is no proof for them. Why are gitmo prison workers afraid when giving interviews? Rape is a war crime? Its funny to read your stuff. No its sad... Just to be clear: no doubt there are terrorists. But no doubt there are _also_ innocents
@basticz You are a mindless child indoctrinated by your socialist masters citing boring regurgitated drivel. You are wrong about everything, but I"m not going to bother with you anymore. You can't even spell the word TORTURE. Your education must have been FAB. Idiot.
Right motherfuckers who are REAL terrorists should be tried for crimes against our country. The problem with GITMO is there are people in that place who didn't do anything wrong and are being waterboarded and fucked with 24 hours a day. Not everyone who goes to GITMO is guilty were just creating more BlowBack and dissent like those British Citizens who went to Pakistan for their friends wedding.
Savage owns! liberals try to silence him they got him kicked off the air here in the bay area California! look people leftist democrats cannot handle freedom of speech don't believe a word they say they are fucking imposter's. If i ever hear a leftist claim they are for freedom of speech again I am going to change my screen name to beat the shit out of leftists
Let's get control of the border and imigration before it's to late.
1vettal2012 1 month ago
so this jew is defending using torture on POW's....ummm....ok....(cough...nazi ww2 conecntration camps...cough)
crazyknight2008 2 months ago
@crazyknight2008 Oh get over yourself already! Do you know how many Somali children have STARVED to death in the past 3 months because of al Jebab? Do you know how many Sudanese have been slaughtered in the past 5 years by Islamist Jihad, how many Lebanese, Algerians, Chadians? 100,000 Copts have fled Egypt in the past 3 months We are dealing with bandits who want women in sacks to hide their injuries and want a penal code that includes flogging, stonings, maimings, mutilation and beheading.
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Volshen 4 months ago
man savage is quick on his toes.
mycaddigo 4 months ago
I love libtards who say waterboarding is torture...how about this, have your family member be in a city where there is a bomb, and you have a terrorist in custody whos not talking. whats better to do, waterboard or sit down with them and have a seltzer water? hahahaha
Imachowderhead 5 months ago
get em
cody0126a 5 months ago
Does anybody notice that when the young turks talk about savage they don't talk politics, they just take cheap shots. Let them know that they are full of shit.
darrell6204 6 months ago
SWEETIE !
BUZOSKARSON 7 months ago
hahaha gaycaller!:P
BENSKI010 7 months ago
Go Savage. Rip these ass hole a new one.
I love it!
GutpileCharlie 7 months ago 2
Ok Dr Savage then we should just shoot every one in gitmo and get it over with according to Savage's comment. Though I dont agree it would save us a ton of money
collo121 8 months ago
"Oh, MY. Oh, MY." XD
nicolebmoviesFTW 8 months ago
That was the def: owned
Madawg65 8 months ago
its fun to listen to this now, and know that this caller will still support Obama to the death, even though G-bay is still open.
beEasy2011 8 months ago
its fun to listen to this know, and know that this caller will still support Obama to the death, even though G-bay is still open.
beEasy2011 8 months ago
liberalism is like extreme islam, just neanderthals.
jargainjones 8 months ago
SWEETY
DaMasterandCommander 9 months ago
love mr Savage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
haim221 9 months ago
Is Savage Gay? lol... he is gay...
trevor6744 10 months ago
@trevor6744 Just look at his picture, he is one big fat faggot
jbravo41 9 months ago
@jbravo41 what are you guts looking for a date? lets see your pic?
mortminoch 8 months ago
@mortminoch Said the man who is hiding his own behind a balaclava
jbravo41 8 months ago
i don't think fdr was a socialist, sorry savage, but you are wrong there
RonyMexico 10 months ago
@RonyMexico very much a socialist look at his policies don't make it easy like this caller.
mortminoch 8 months ago
@mortminoch don't think so, sorry
RonyMexico 8 months ago
lmao he flushed that libturd away. Savage 4ever!
notofthisworld08 1 year ago
"torture" bla bla bla. Shoot the mother fuckers to death. If we wouldn't have stopped them they would have killed innocent people. If we let them live they might escape and do what they planned from the beginning. Shoot the barbaric 7th century animals.
FreedomResistance 1 year ago
@FreedomResistance ah but if you imprison and torture people based purely on speculation then you give your enemy a powerful propaganda weapon
serioushamster 1 year ago
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Drlabash 1 year ago
dig a hole and shoot all 200 plus, and end this BS
louchiify 1 year ago
Why on earth do people who claim to despise the big bad government and not trust it further than they can throw it, all of a sudden doing a complete 180 here? They suddenly feel just dandy allowing the government to fly around the world, kidnap whoever they want for whatever reason they want, without telling anyone, and doing whatever they want to those people in the name of national security!? Are you nuts???
BafuNation 1 year ago
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FACT: While captured foreign nationals are not protected by the U.S. Constitution they ARE protected under Section 4 of the Geneva Convention.
FACT: Torture has not been purported by ANY respected interrogation official or legal expert to produce valid or usable life saving or plot foiling information. In fact it gives us exactly the OPPOSITE because it is coerced lying just to stop the torture.
FACT: We do not live up to the VALUES we claim to cherish if we permit torture
BafuNation 1 year ago
Savage is a fucking pussy who likes to talk big even though he himself wouldn't last 5 seconds under a waterboard. What a lying piece of shit.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Wow, you're an idiot. What does that argument have anything to do with the argument in the video?
Nothing. Typical straw man liberal dumbass argument.
swburton316 1 year ago
@swburton316 Hello??? Waterboarding was frequently used at Guantanimo, DUH. That's what it has to do with it. Savage wants to keep it going on and I'm saying he likes to talk big even though he himself wouldn't be able to handle waterboarding. He claimed in another segment that waterboarding wasn't torture, and he's wrong. It definitely is torture. He just likes to act like he's tough.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Hello??? I bet you're right, he couldn't take waterboarding - but who the fuck cares?! He isn't out there blowing up buildings with innocent civilians in them or flying planes/driving cars into shit or committing other acts of terrorism, which is generally what got the GITMO's the punishment in the first place. The argument has nothing to do with whether or not Savage could handle it - it has everything to do with making those lowlife fucks suffer for ruining so many lives.
swburton316 1 year ago
@swburton316 You've just displayed that you possess an aspect of hate and vengeance. You want these people to be tortured not because it will get information, but simply because you want them to suffer. You're crazy. By the way how do you know that all these people are terrorists? Not all muslims are terrorists idiot. In fact most of them aren't. Most of them are just like you and me (well maybe not you): just good people who want peace in this world.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 ...what?! I know that they are terrorists because if they weren't terrorists, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now because they wouldn't have been treated that way in the first place. Keep in mind that the reason they are put through the treatment is because they have committed acts of terrorism.
Do you feel intelligent?
swburton316 1 year ago
@swburton316 What kind of logic is that? You know that they're terrorists because the CIA decided to torture them, and the CIA decided to torture them because they're terrorists...pure circular reasoning. Pure idiocy.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 ???
Hey RETARD, the reason they were @ Gitmo in the first place is that THEY COMMITTED ACTS OF TERRORISM.
Are you kidding me? Are you seriously that stupid? It has NOTHING to do with circular reasoning. If they hadn't committed acts of terrorism, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Please, refrain from exposing any further ignorance and restrain your fingers from typing any more of that shit.
swburton316 1 year ago 10
@swburton316 How the fuck do you know they committed acts of terrorism huh??? Because they admitted it, ONLY AFTER BEING WATERBOARDED?? Holy fuck you can't be that stupid. You can get people to say ANYTHING you want if you waterboard them. It's NOT a reliable way to know the truth. That's what's so fucked up about the whole waterboarding thing.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@swburton316 lol..
hey RETARD, if you honestly believe that every prisoner in gitmo is a terrorist or committed an act of terrorism then you are nothing short of a fucking idiot who should sterilize himself and then lock himself in a closet in russia for the sake of humanity as a whole.
faggot.
HRH787 11 months ago
@HRH787 OK I did not say that EVERYONE there was a terrorist - but look at the list of detainees and you'll see that the vast majority of them are there for that reason.
So don't call me a retard, because I am smarter than you. Unlike you, I am a productive member of society. You, on the other hand, would better serve the world by deep throating a 12 gauge and blowing whatever lack of intelligence exists in your brain right through the top of your head.
swburton316 11 months ago
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@swburton316
You are a disgrace to this nation
BafuNation 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 you wish you had the balls to stand up, instead of bending over and taking it in the rear YOU FAG..............................
kevvcoot 1 year ago
dude if this guy becomes president...US is gonna become communist fuck
chinagansta 1 year ago
@WizardPrinceBreon dude shut the fuck up, you have no real reason to appose him other than the fact that you disagree with him. by the way I haven't heard a rant that Bias since CNN last night.
Dav1dZMan 1 year ago
dumbass libturds make it too easy!! go savage!!!!!!!
uzimodem 1 year ago 22
@uzimodem you mean go wiener!!!! your part of wiener nation! and libtards or libturds are the stupidest names ive ever heard. id be embarrassed to even say that word. he gets dumbass "democrat" or "liberal" callers and acts like we all think like that or are that stupid. it be like picking out a backwards, no teeth, illiterate from the tea party and saying all repubs are like that. then quizzing them on current events and when they dont get it right say "see!!! all repubs. are like this!!!"
pat442389 3 months ago
@pat442389 LOL have you seen the names you "libturds" have uttered dumbass? LOL you really need to do your research BOY. I perfer libturd then : mutherfucker, cocksucker, anal licker, ass kisser muslim humping libturd cocksucker. But hey, if you want, I can use those too BOY. fucking moron.
uzimodem 3 months ago
@uzimodem haha no wonder our country is screwed up. how old are you? or are you gonna say "well u started it!" libtard. seriously im embarrassed for you right now. on a scale of 1-10 how turned on does that picture of Micheal "Savage" real last name Wiener make you? too bad u republicans talk about the 50s and 60s as the golden age but fail to see the middle class was stronger due to regulations, higher corporate taxes and big banks hadnt owned every republican. by the way books arent the devil
pat442389 3 months ago
@pat442389 :wow, that comment is like all over the place. very little coherence and the message is like "out there." LOL Wiener showed his Wiener, not a repub dufus. 50's and 60's? what the hell is that about? LOL the golden age? and the fact that Wall Street gives more money to DEMS and gave Obumbles more money to a prez in history? LOL DEMS and Wall Street are butt monkeys dumbass. jeez, your really not too bright are you? go back to comic books, less confusing for you BOY. Pathetic.
uzimodem 3 months ago
@uzimodem the comment wasnt all over the place. its just hard for you to read so it seems that way. BOY? is that your pet name for me or something? i know you already like to fantasize about micheal wiener savaging your ass. so wait obama got more $ from wall st then james monroe! obviously dumb ass im sure mccain was #2 and hilary was #3 all time. real democrats supported the poor and middle class. the GOP served their puppet masters on wall st. u really love defending ur hero. ur a loser
pat442389 3 months ago
@pat442389 well BOY, you are just one of hundreds of dumbass libturds on youtube who has the IQ of a tick. the DEMS dont serve anyone but themselves. and the fact you are an ignoramous that the DEMS get more money and support from Wall Street then those evil Repubs!!! Did you get that BOY? wall street and the dems? fucking dumbass. not even a challenge. quite boring you are actually. but i have time to kill.
uzimodem 3 months ago
Do you have any brain at all? Sorry, but you totally ignore what I write all the time. I said you cannot blame the gov, when people make bad decisions. Now you tell me the opposite and say that we agree in this. Yes, guy,just blame the gov for everything, its so easy... Fact is, the two financial crises happened in times of low financial regulation, that alone should tell you something.Of course gov is the one making gov debts,but hey you are a democracy,dont inflict on yourself, change yourself
basticz 1 year ago
What does "medical discoveries" mean? How is that measured? Number of homeopathic medicals? Number of MD theses? The cancer survival rate thing is a fallacy, because it depends on a lot of factors which vary amoung countries, for ex. how many people get what kind of cancer.Some kinds are 100% curable, others almost uncurable.Prostate cancer is very curable,and its outbreak is amoung other factors depended on unhealthy food.That americans eat more unhealthy than the rest of the world is no secret
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: 90% of all "wonder" drugs that have helped the world have come from USA. U are correct about Americans eating bad, & it should really bother u that a very large % of the bad eaters & obese people r on govt food stamps & govt aid, which plays huge role in their ability to buy expensive fatty foods rather than the cheaper low fat NECESSITIES. whats worse is they r on medicaid too. (which i pay for) every time I go to store people on EBT buying sugar pop, processed foods, ice cream etc.
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 Do you base your claims on the reasons for Icelands bankruptcy on some professional opinion? What you write sounds very implausible to me, because like most contries, Iceland reduced government control over the financial sector years before it happened. Just from looking at the facts quite the opposite seems to be true.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: USA's financial problems stemmed from BAD regulation, not "less regulation" Financial industry is one the heaviest regulated industries, among pharma, healthcare, energy etc. AS a matter of fact, GOVT is problem in every sector & only adds to cost & slows growth of all of these sectors. Who lowered the Fede funds rate to 1% making housing "affordable"? who passed legislation for Freddie & Fannie & let Wall Street know they had a guaranteed subprime mortgage market? Who created CRA?
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 the word"affordable"means you can afford it.Now you say it was bad to have low interest rates,because then people are fooled into thinking they could afford something when in fact they cant.You basically say by doing so people cant think for themselfes to know what they can afford and what not. That might be true,but in this case its not the govs fault,but the peoples fault,period. Before you even said inflation is bad,you don't even know that inflation and interest rates are coupled
basticz 1 year ago
LOL unconstitutional they arent citizens dumbass lmao they are being tried as enemy combatants to the nation so they have NO RIGHTS xD.
skatrdude13 1 year ago
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In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
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In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : who gives a shit about Germany?Again a bunch of LEFTISTS who also squandered their wealth through govt expansion..not one time in history has bigger govt made a country stronger in long run...OUR FOUNDERS KNEW THIS and it was basis of the founding of our country. You probably love FDR, FDR is one the MAIN reason we are broke today, him and Johnson's policies have bankrupted us and Bush's expansion of medicare presription will will kill US too..add in Obama & wow!
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 well,you seem to give a shit,because you tried to show that what theyre doing is bad for their economy,which obviously is not true.Also oil price in usa is extremely low compared to the rest of the world.But you seem to be the only one still complaining.Yes,prices get higher with taxes, and yes everyone has to pay them.Wake up,thats the way the world works, those are the dollars that pay for the infrastructure everyone uses. Overregulated? Dereg started with Clinton and still goes on
basticz 1 year ago
@pmango1000 whatever maybe your governemt should spend a few extra dollars on education, then people like you would not exist that pretend to know something, ignore arguments and just repeat the same rants again and again. In europe there are also some less educated people who are against government, they are called anarchists. Besides blowing up a police car every now and then, they are not so loud though.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: thats ur "explanation"??? well sir you have just excepted socialism...and ur "education" literally has taught u nothing because u were spoon fed that shit all ur life. of course, moron leftist would refer to someone who wants less govt as an anarchist...typical trying to end debate by calling that anarchy...idiot.so i guess that makes u a communist
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 Well, you labeled me a leftist and socialist from the beginning, I always talked about topics, you ranted. So its only fair for my conclusion after looking over all you wrote and how you responded to my arguments to call you uneducated and an anarchist, because now after reading it I have a reason for doing so. You labeled me from the beginning, so don't complain.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: ur damn right i said ur a socialist...whats wrong with that? is it a bad word to u? I You are in denial, as everyone of your arguments was in favor of larger govt ie: socialism and leftist thinking...don't be ashamed of who you are....I'm proud to be on the right, but I'm no anarchist...your explanation of high taxes was "thats the way the world works" gave u away. keep on giving in so the private citizen can support govt pensions that have bankrupted us all, sheep
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 I am not in denial, I know I share a few opinions with those you call leftists. But I like to have my own opinion on any topic instead of just identifying myself with a group of people. I know you cant understand that, but maybe you might if you think a little and read back your comments and compare what you accused me of thinking to what I actually said. You have a certain image of leftists in your mind, and i'm sorry but I dont fit your image.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: of course you are entitled to ur opinion...call it what ever you want...you just don't get it...if you are for government running thing or believe that govt knows best, you are for an unsustainable society...history proves it over and over again. government HURTS those that it says its trying to help and takes private $ to run, as govt becomes too much of a % of society, its unsustainable
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 By what definition is USAs current system more sustainable?The USgov debts are the highest in the world(you ignored that completely when I first gave you that fact),same for private households.I for one find it unsustainable to let almost 100000 people die each year because of ignorance.Look up the facts,and you would see that the US system is unsustainable.I never said gov always knows best,sometimes I said even the opposite.But companies have no interest to solve certain problems
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : I didnt say USA was "more sustainable"wtf? I said USA is becoming more like Europe's system, duh! Thats the entire financial debate: USA's debt is unsustainable, too much govt,
PS: 90% of all medical discoveries come from USA
PSS: turn over hcare to govt, & 100k deaths due to lack of hcare will look good. govt take over would most likely triple that death rate. USA has HIGHEST survival rates of most major diseases like cancer...govt controlled countries ration the care, fact!
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz :and sorry, USA's debt IS NOT highest in world compared to GDP (as a % of GDP) Greece = BK Iceland = BK and if you dont think govt is answer to everything, then quit using it as examples of how to fix everything.
PS: use facts that actually back your arguments, anyone can state a fact, but it may not have anything to do with debate
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 also USA's high GDP is mostly made by people pushing other peoples money around, the real economy (production etc) has a smaller part in that than in most other countries. Iceland has the population of a small city, so its no big deal. But what if the USA goes bankrupt? The absolute numbers are more important for the worldwide economy when that happens(not saying that is likely to happen in the near future, there are too many people there with big influence)Greece is not bankrupt btw
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : ok, your are saying that GDP doesn't count as part of a country's measurement of wealth or an economic indicator, ok..Anyway, doesn't matter if Iceland is small, they failed on a smaller scale which means countries larger with same system as Iceland, could fail too, that IS what we are worried about. and Greece did go bk, they had to borrow from IMF. Iceland's bk was from the false belief that financial engineering (designed by govt) can be successful
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 I didnt even write about wealth,please read again.I said that the absolute amount of debts are more important in case of a bankruptcy for the world economy.But what am I wasting my time with you.You dont even know what bankruptcy is.Greece is not bankrupt.What do these 90% mean?Number of units sold in US or worldwide or value of sold drugs nation-,worldwide or number of drugs invented no matter if they work or are being used?If you dont know, just give your sources so I can find out.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : bankruptcy only happens if you cannot SERVICE the debt, USA can service the debt, at the detriment of the $'s value, and cuts in spending in important productive areas. It also leads to tax increases, which will kill jobs
pmango1000 1 year ago
I didn't say USA is bankrupt,which would obviously be wrong. I tried to explain the scenario in case it went bankrupt in more or less the current state. You on the other hand said Greece is bankrupt, which is wrong. Youre right, s.o is bankrupt when he cannot pay the debts. Normally debts are paid by making more debts, so you go bankrupt when nobody wants to lend you anymore.A country can thus hold up as long as it seems more reliable than the rest, so USA plays 'make believe', and it works well
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: ok, so we both agree: govt interference causes people to make bad decisions and become less productive,reliant on govt, thus leading to worse economic conditions and redistribution of income from people who are productive. This was my point from the beginning. USA has been moving towards this for decades, like Europe
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz : what I meant was you were discounting USA's high GDP as just "people shifting $ around or whatever, thereby discounting the fact that USA does indeed have $14 trillion GDP. You basically said GDP doesnt matter
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 I just said that the GDP doesn't tell the whole story, because like any "analytical" number which only exists on paper, there is a lot of factors that can play into it. And when speaking of a possible bankruptcy its wrong to just divide the debts by the GDP, when a big part of the GDP is working on increasing the debts instead of creating value and thereby working on decreasing debts.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: right, as you said, "big part of the GDP is working on increasing debts" is the GOVERNMENT..what were you trying to say?
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz : and ps: of course a leftist like u thinks spending MORE on education will make people smarter, especially when it s fact that the US spends 2nd most per capita on education, yet grades and test scores keep going down. Socialists just say "throw more $ at the problem" well a person on the right knows its FAMILY that keep the scores up, not spending billions more
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 I know education costs a lot of money in the usa. A good university will cost more than the average parent can afford even for a single child. Maybe thats the reason you lack engineers and other people that actually create value but dont have so high income, instead of people making huge amounts of money by moving other peoples money around.
basticz 1 year ago
Yes, we are on the same page that government should save money, it should not print money out of control, it should not influence markets by flooding everything with money. But I am for regularization, to make sure people are not being robbed of their money. I am for carefully designing rules that help markets to not destroy themselfes. I dont see everything as black/white as you do. The market does not "heal itself" in every possible situation. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : but financial markets are over regulated here in USA and its the very regulation that caused the financial meltdown, not the "evil wallstreeters" as most have been told. of course everyone wants fair markets, but govt MESSES up free market more than it helps it...actually most legislation passed actually hurts the very people its supposed to help, like the credit card leg and healthcare legislation
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz : dude, you do realize that all taxes put on corps are simply built into the price of the very items they sell? in ither wirds, put astupid 36% tax rate on a corp and all their customers simply PAY MORE...u think its great to tax "evil" oil?? Well Taxes are 25% of the prices of gas, and yes, poor people buy gas too. actually govt makes more than the oil companies make on gas or oil...FACT
pmango1000 1 year ago
So, USA is the last stand? No country is so high in debts (absolute numbers) as USA. USA a country of production? USA has a huge trade deficit. That means you consume way more than you are able to produce. Its a big bubble, waiting to splash. You can afford it at the moment, because the rest of the world lends you ther money, but wait and see what happens when people want to invest at home, because there their money is more safe. The victims? Those that lost their hard earned money is us banks.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : exactly, thank you for proving my point! as USA has moved LEFT or more like Europe with big government, USA has suffered and become in debt. Its government's fault. WE have so many govt pensions to guarantee and so many programs that its unsustainable. YES ur right! The banks are the victims here. And most private banks have paid back the tarp $, its AIG, FREDDIE AND FANNIE that havnt. Experts say Freddie and Fannie will need another $300 bill in Tarp $ to continue operations.
pmango1000 1 year ago
lol june 2010 gitmo still open lol stupid obama and crazy liberals!
skirbyr 1 year ago
Sorry for wasting your time Mr. When-I-Run-Out-Of-Arguments-I-Attack-People. For your info I am not an American,instead I live in a country where people actually do give a shit what values it was founded upon.USA is Spineless.You accuse me of being socialist, but I'm not sure innocent people caught in your injustice system can make out a difference to Russia etc. You do what you accuse your enemies of doing, and then you expect international support. Weird world. Live on with your simple mindset
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : oh really? Please give "examples" of how America "does what it accuses our enemies of doing?"
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 where to begin?Your politics is toothless against big companies wall street etc.There is corruption all over(how could the oil spill happen in the first place with all those inspecting gov people?) Check Abu Gharaib, check mkultra. CIA has lots of pol. power.USA is not a democracy in that sense that political power is even remotely evenly distributed among the population (check Lawrence Lessig). You have wars for economic interests(Iraq?). You preach good and do bad (check D. Knuth)
basticz 1 year ago
@pmango1000 You maintain huge military to fight against the people you yourself trained to be terrorists a few years ago, but still fail. You have the heaviest equipped, biggest, most agressive police in civilized countries, high penalties, death penalty, high security prisons and still the highest crime rates, kills on the streets etc. Your doing something wrong there. You celebrate your freedom, but tase people who use it. Gov is protecting bp from journalists, who try to asses the damage.
basticz 1 year ago
@pmango1000 You are the richest of all civilized countries, still the only one that is unable to care for their poor. Democrats who are questioned by cia how they managed to get elected. Man i could go on and on.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : LOL..I can tell you NOTHING about America if you think are "poor" are not taken care of. Considering our "poor" have 1.5 cars, 2 tvs per household, have birthrate 2x's that of other clsses,running water, pets, housing, "free": utilities, "free" healthcare medicaid (for "poor") and only in USA can the "poor" have an OBESITY PROBLEM!!!! You better check ur facts before you challenge me
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 well, facts... 50% of all americans are either uninsured or underinsured. Each year almost 100000 people die because of that. I guess having a car is a must when you live in a country that knows almost nothing of public transportation. Also having a TV is considered a basic living requirement in european countries (because you have to be an informed voter in a democracy). Malnurishment (being fat) is not a problem of the upper class in any country. It has to do with cheap fast food.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : well explained by the typical leftist as urself....if you want to debate, send me an email everything you just spewed can be easily proven wrong...I do not have enough room in here to write back to explain how ur wrong on every level...whats sad is you are son convinced that u understand how the world works, but ur clueless
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 you wanted facts, now you cant handle them. Where am I wrong? Why do you call me a leftist instead of answering? Come on, i heard that would be easy...
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz :short version to your "explanation": USA was founded as a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. OUR FOUNDERS were against forming a democracy becasue they are destined for SOCIALISM, like EUROPE, its unsustainable. As you see today in UK, Italy Greece, Iceland etc...GOVERNMENT is reason for high healthcare,not the corporations. The reason why corporations need lobbyists is because GOVT IS TOO POWERFUL, healthcare is ALSO expensive because Americans have horrible lifestyles and abuse ins cont
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz : also the reason why Americans refuse to buy healthcare is because of GOVT handouts: USA is becoming the very system i=our founders RAN FROM. I know a leftist as urself cannot comprehend this. Also, I see u have contempt for private business and probably think taxing corps is good, but the taxes are simply passed on to the consumer (founders were against taxing income by the way) I could go on and on to show u why ur so wrong, but really dont have the time
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 wow, you got me there.You know i always thought your founders ran from foreign rule and unequal taxation,now i found out they ran from democracy and equality of opportunities.Wayto go buddy.I have contempt for private businesses?Because I am for insurance?Sorry, I dont see the connection. Please check your facts. Problems in Europe are dereg. finan. industry (uk and iceland) and corruption (greece and italy).You dont have those problems in the more social states like scand and gemany
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : yes, our founders ran from unfair taxation...income wasnt taxed until early 1900's, which was the real beginning of INFLATION & big government in USA. Creation of central bank moved the country so far left, we have never recovered. Fed was created and we had 2 depression soon after, coincidence? Problems is Europe have nothing to do with "dereg", its all the entitlement programs and deficit spending that has caused the mess...Europe's model is UNSUSTAINABLE & USA is following
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 the financial crisis originated in the usa because a lot of people bought homes that could not afford it, bankers are paid by the amount of credits they give, not by the actual earnings from them, so they gave out credits to people who they even knew they cant afford to pay. banks gambled with financial products they didnt even fully understand themselfes. A lot of european money is in us banks, this is why eu is suffering. You have to regulate to keep the money of people save
basticz 1 year ago
@pmango1000 btw there is no such thing as the european model. I think you are referring to then scandinavian model, and countries that adopted it seem to hold up very well compared to the rest, so I fail to see what you mean with unsustainable. About taxation a hundred years ago: do you want the roads etc. of those poor fellows back? Maybe you should reduce military/secret service expenses to those they had (before ww i), but the rest serves you mostly well imo
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: how cant u see that European socialism doesn't work? Greece, Iceland etc bankrupt and everybody has finally woken up, but the REAL experts have been predicting that for decades because those models allow more people to TAKE from the doles than paying into it...its unsustainable
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 yes, experts predicted the financial crisis as result of the deregulation years ago. You arent even interested in looking into the reasons. Europe is not one nation as usa. Politics are vastly different in every country. Please check the facts for reasons why what happens instead of just blaming europe for caring for their poor. Youre uninformed and try to make up for that by stating the same misconceptions again and again.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: EUROPEAN markets are more regulated than America, and they too crashed which proves that regulation HURT business, did not help it . Business creates the most jobs, therefore govt HURTS the poor by destroying jobs and creating DEPENDENCE on govt. so whether there is not a European model as u say, whatever Europe is doing AINT WORKING!! How can u argue that? Quit using the poor example cause the very fact that Europe has big govt & POOR is the very proof that big govt creates poverty
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz: of course Europe is not a nation, & it should tell u that FREE ENTERPRISE works because USA, one nation, became worth MORE than all of Europe combined. But in the last 40 years, USA has passed laws that model itself to the very job killing policies that have destroyed Europe. Yes, I said DESTROYED...Europe's future is screwed unless they strip govt of their power. U are arguing history here dude, stop it. USA used to not have any debt and there was little personal debt too
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 youre confusing originators and victim of the crisis. Whatever, you are not open for arguments, instead you answer by stating the same shit again and again. European welfare states are poor? Look at the most social welfare state, norway and compare gdp per capita to usa.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: sorry but Norway doesnt claim 90% of all medical discoveries, USA does. Norway doesnt produce the manufacturing that USA does either. Iceland also is ranked #6 in in gdp per capita, but they are bankrupt, LOL.. so that statistic u gave is shit. So if they are so "rich" why does welfare spending go up in Norway every year?Yes, u are correct I'm not open for arguments, why? : because history proves big govt is bad and Free Enterprise system works. USA is the last stand on earth but..
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 we know now what happens, when we want to have our money back from us banks (oops... sorry... lost it...) even now the only way to get money for the usa is to make rating agencies give bad ratings to european contries. And if thats not enough, you start printing money as if you own the world. This is how the usa holds up. But you are faaar from being the productive nation that could stand on its own just by selling their products.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: ok, we are on the same page, its USA's govt with centralized control thats the problem. I dont understand then why earlier you were saying that Europe's system is so great because there are plenty of countries in worse condition than USA. USA does have the resources to grow, but govt has been holding her back
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 sorry, it was a typo. I didnt mean to say that banks are the victims, but those that gave their money to the banks, and the banks gambled with it so they couldnt pay back people who were trying to save money for themselfes when they grow old. But in essence what you say is america has much bigger problems than europe (huge trade deficit etc) because they started to emulate europe few years ago? This just makes no sense at all. Sorry.
basticz 1 year ago
@pmango1000 "The U.S trade deficit is a bigger threat to the domestic economy than either the federa budget deficit or consumer debt and could lead to political turmoil... Right now, the rest of the world owns $3 trillion more of us than we own of them." (Warren Buffet, one of the richest americans, he knows something about economy)
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: and warren buffet should know that Most of that trade defict is from OIL...which the GOVERNMENT (along with psycho environmentalists) blocks US drilling, exploration, and have blocked a new refinery since 1976 ...ironically, the only refinery which is scheduled to finally open in Tennessee is being built by BP, which will be bankrupted by the US govt
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 most of the trade deficit is from oil? Where do you get this bullshit from? Germany has no own oil, still is has a huge trade surplus. Its bps responsibility to pay for the damage theyve done, dont you think?
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: America's dependence on foreign oil drives the trade deficit. In 2009, the U.S. imported over $253 billion in petroleum-related products while only exporting $49 billion.Petroleum-related products include crude oil, natural gas, fuel oil and other petroleum-based distillates such as kerosene. This oil-related deficit of $204 billion was over half of the total 2009 trade deficit of $380.7 billion. (Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Trade, Exhibit 9)
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 wow, and this is why us right wingers oppose energy efficiency? It gets better every minute
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz : wrong! we believe in renewable energy as long as it isnt FORCED onto the markets to DESTROY the economy and if doesnt raise cost of FOOD (like biofuels have done to grain prices making them unaffordable for food thanks libs!) look dude, the right is for smaller government, like the FOUNDERS get that through your head...the government is also main reason why oil is so expensive
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 If importing oil is such a big problem, then you should be happy that the government puts high taxes on it, so us companies reduce their dependencies on it in the future. Maybe this is why importing oil is no problem for germany, even if they have to import 100% of what they need, because they have a much higher price for it. You still didnt explain why countries like germany are doing so good compared to usa, when they are the "bad role model"
basticz 1 year ago
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@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
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@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
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@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
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@pmango1000 In germany the government wanted to reduce taxes without really knowing how to save, the people were against it. Because they know for every euro they are too greedy to pay, their children will have to pay two euros to pay back the credits+interests the gov has to take. The only party that still favors tax reduction went down from 14% to 4% in less than a year.
basticz 1 year ago
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basticz 1 year ago
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basticz 1 year ago
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basticz 1 year ago
@basticz I am also against reducing taxes without carefully trying to find places where the government can save money without doing harm to their own people and world wide economy. You just want to flee the responsibility for your children to pay off the governments depts with their taxes by wanting to reduce your own taxes. Think future for a split second please.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: LOL...so are you saying RAISE taxes to reduce the debt? Future? I see the future coming and it aint pretty...you can lower taxes and cut spending
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 no, if you carefully read, i said dont reduce, without knowing how to save money. But Obama did that unfortunately.
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz: victims of crises? who are these victims you say?
pmango1000 1 year ago
@basticz : of course, when faced with reducing government YOU only mention to cut the MILITARY spending. Get a clue, yes waste is prominent in military, but waste is prominent in EVERY facet of government, so u continually pointing out that military is large expense is moot. Without military, USA would have fallen long ago. Yes military waste needs to be cut, but maybe u should point out that USA spends $600 + a year on welfare (federally) & medicaid & most does not go to the TRULY poor
pmango1000 1 year ago
Savage is a Jewish piece of garbage! Let him go to hell!
2004moviemaker 1 year ago
@nockuout1 Oh and if you read the Constitution you might see something in there that actually says individuals have the right to exercise free speech so why don't you learn how to be more open and tolerate new ideas and stop living in Fox News Neo-Con based reality of non critical thinking. Turn off your television and start doing some investigative journalism on your own. How anybody can find this savage guy appealing is beyond me. It's like trying to have a conversation with a stubborn drunk.
alaskablows 1 year ago
@nockuout1 OH you do know Michael Savage was a draft dodger right? He's making a pretty good living off of people that can't follow money trails. Go take a Government job and then tell me how productive your day was how much work you accomplished and then tell me about everything that was wasted that could have actually gone back into Educating Feeding Clothing and medically taking care of Americans? Politicians give us the illusion that we have a choice this country was bought in 1913.
alaskablows 1 year ago
@nockuout1 and here's the other thing what makes you think I care if you believe I was in the Army Infantry or not? I'm not surprised you don't your probably living your whole life in denial. 172ndSBCT Fort Wainright Alaska it's now the 25th Id hhc 2/1 Battalion Mortars. I actually did go to Mosul for 12 months then we were extended to Baghdad 3 days before our main body was go to back home. Rumsfeld even gave an apology to the families back on wainwright for fucking everyone over.
alaskablows 1 year ago
OWNED!!
panamera26 1 year ago
@nockuout1 I love my country so much I joined the Army Infantry and served in Iraq for 16 months after 9/11 and got out with an honorable discharge after they passed the Patriot Act. And after Bush said the Constitution is just a piece of paper 172nd SBCT HHC 2/1 INF what did you do again? Oh you listen to the Draft Dodging Micheal Savage LMao okay bud your too funny. have a nice NEO-Con day.
alaskablows 1 year ago
if a conservative is gay, they quietly enjoy their life.. Liberal gays demand respect from everyone
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
Savage is the best....
northrnpike 1 year ago
I didn't know Osama is in gitmo, neither that he ever was. Instead I know that there are a lot of innocent people there, otherwise it wouldn't be so hard to simply close gitmo and put them all on a court trial. But I see that human rights of course are only for american citizens, not for "all men" as a certain document puts it. The question remains: how would you like it, if I arrest you from your home and bring you in a torcher prison on the other side of the world solely based on speculation?
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz You have no idea what you're talking about. The animals in gitmo are not "a lot of innocent people". Have you listened to the soldiers stories of the arrests of these guys? One in particular strikes me, as the pig was literally pulled off a little girl he was raping because his side of the "peaceful religion" of Islam was no longer running things. They put people in wood chippers FEET FIRST to kill them, Poisoned Kurdish children, Had rape and torture rooms...INNOCENT???
EffieReal 1 year ago
@basticz The reason why it's "so hard" to "simply" put them on trial as citizens is because they AREN'T citizens. There is NO legal precident for it. They are not citizens, are not protected by a "certain document", do not have the right to have the actual citizens pay for their legal defense, do not have the right to be release in this country after a trial or on bail as they are not legal "immigrants" even. They are war prisoners who should be tried as such by a military court.
EffieReal 1 year ago
@basticz Also, your fantasy about Gitmo being a "torcher prison" (sic) is just BS propaganda. There is nothing wrong with Gitmo. That prison camp has been crawling with the press, the UN, the Red Cross, and DOZENS Democrats. . After countless inspections and investigations, they all admit that its a model facility and detainees are treated very well. The worst thing they had to report (and even hyped the media) was that some of the prisoners were GAINING TOO MUCH WEIGHT from being TOO WELL FED.
EffieReal 1 year ago
@EffieReal: No torcher prison? Then whats the torcher equipment for? The official reports about waterboarding, etc are lies? Also its impossible to trial non citizens on a civil court? A president who wants to close it, is able to pay the defense. Unless there is no proof for them. Why are gitmo prison workers afraid when giving interviews? Rape is a war crime? Its funny to read your stuff. No its sad... Just to be clear: no doubt there are terrorists. But no doubt there are _also_ innocents
basticz 1 year ago
@basticz You are a mindless child indoctrinated by your socialist masters citing boring regurgitated drivel. You are wrong about everything, but I"m not going to bother with you anymore. You can't even spell the word TORTURE. Your education must have been FAB. Idiot.
EffieReal 1 year ago
Dr. Savage for president!
norsemustang 1 year ago
owned.
clevelandtyler2 1 year ago
Right motherfuckers who are REAL terrorists should be tried for crimes against our country. The problem with GITMO is there are people in that place who didn't do anything wrong and are being waterboarded and fucked with 24 hours a day. Not everyone who goes to GITMO is guilty were just creating more BlowBack and dissent like those British Citizens who went to Pakistan for their friends wedding.
alaskablows 1 year ago
Now I have convinced myself that faggots are communists. I hate both and hope one day outr world will be clear off these worthless schmucks
Tchernowizer 1 year ago
I am with you on ridding our country of these foul, evil, degenerates and murderers.
wconeal1 1 year ago
LOL, he gets pretty fired up, the yelling reminds me of my dad.
stevieRay3211 1 year ago
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eng081194 1 year ago
Oh man that is rich, I'd love to say that to every left wing hack on tv. Say right in their face and tell them what the real Americans think of them.
Shadyac21 1 year ago
YES! Let's give constitutional rights to the enemy in the midle of a fucking war... Fucking hippies...
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago 4
Oh darling? sweetheart? hahaha
wilhelm1974 1 year ago 4
This caller's a fking moron, *Let's all treat them like equals so later they can drop a bomb on us while we look the other way* jackass...
jon0376 2 years ago 18
unconstitutional ! LOL what a F-ing moron....
rushforce33 2 years ago 18
Savage owns! liberals try to silence him they got him kicked off the air here in the bay area California! look people leftist democrats cannot handle freedom of speech don't believe a word they say they are fucking imposter's. If i ever hear a leftist claim they are for freedom of speech again I am going to change my screen name to beat the shit out of leftists
MrLoveyourneighbor 2 years ago 9
Oh please!!! Liberals love freedom of speech as long as you express it according to their beliefs. What's wrong with that??
(Note sarcasm) I agree with you!! They're all a bunch of clowns.
gmccord1970 1 year ago
@MrLoveyourneighbor savage cracks me up and enlightens me! :)
"sweetheart"
LMAO
writertrump 1 year ago
Savage Nation Rules!
Gwenlj 2 years ago 9
Peopl at Guantanamo are NOT innocent you ignorant MORON! They will all hang, eventually.
Fosterpimp 2 years ago 3
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This guy is an entertainer. He can't possibly this dumb. Especially considering the fact that most of the people are totally innocent.
newtype64 2 years ago