Bedini Pulse Motor with reed switch and relay 02

[time00001]

Back EMF is the true power

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[roguerabbit3]

In my research, I have noticed that some electromagnets seem to work better than others. I set up a spreadsheet to try and figure out the best wire size, coil size, etc..

I found out that the inductance is NOT dependent upon wire size. This was interesting. Currently, I am looking at the L/R ratio as the defining point between under and overunity.

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[may7charlie]

Hi

Where can I find reed switch which does not get burnt ?

I am making electromagnet which needs to be on/off by fast rotating magnet. Power supply is 12V car battery. Thanks Charlie

[freethisone]

u make over unity if you conserve energy, any peakiness spike is at 90 degrees, so is put back in a cap. do in series, 4 caps 2 charge and 2 discharge. were u see your reed switch, add a low voltage ac flipping circuit 90deree ouy of phase.

hope u have a new idea.

[wewhitt]

So far what Ive seen in literature is that the Back EMF has to be caught in one of the Ethers. In Teslas paper, The dissipation of energy he describes 4 ethers Light, Warmth, Chemical, and Life. Trapping the back EMF / radiant pulse has been most effective in a Chemical (battery). Teslas experiment found Radiant energy is in the ether disrupted in equilibrium using one way, high magnitude pulses of short duration. Thats why little in gets lots more out. Good work man!!!

[waterwart]

where would a beginner to this technology start looking ?

[m3sca1]

i read in some literature on the adams motor,that when using neo's you need thinner windings and higher voltage to overcome the field strength.

weaker magnets can work with lower volts and thicker windings...

[prototype9000]

inductive kickback

[winst27]

My motor slows down if i grab the back emf, even when pulsing, grabbing the forward voltage slows it down even more , got a massive shock too,the negative voltage is quite high but unfortunately the current isn't :>

[sirmikeydotcom]

I think that overunity is producing more energy than consumed, and it does not really matter how you get there. This has to be verified by measuring volt/amp/watt input and output. Some folks are satisfied with merely reducing energy consumed, and this is where most of these projects sit.

[dodoshlodo]

these machines seem to tap something Tesla described as radiant energy. Often digital multimetres show false reading when dealing with Radiant energy. My multimeter blew up the other day when I tried to measure the Back EMF coming of the coil.

The idea of Free Energy is stupid, u cant energy for free. But u can tap this source of radiant energy that we know little about. Energy is not being created, just used from the vaccuum.

[dodoshlodo]

We see electricity as electron flow in a single direction, our multimeters can only measure this. however radiant energy behaves in a very unconventional way.

I have built a Radiant Oscillator that uses the same principles as the Bedini circuit, it can light a CFL globe with only the positive side connected (as well as charge a secondary battery)! the circuit isnt closed! so clearly we are dealing with somethin very different. It can even be conducted through plastic and through the air.

[dodoshlodo]

chek this out:

watch?v=6m6QCqNd6gE&feature=ch­annel_page

[waterwart]

where is that?? It wouldn't come through.

[Drevtoobe]

"have u ever noticed what happens when u turn on a dc circuit.... if u hook a circuit up to oscilliscope and switch it on you will see a high initial spike"

You have asked this question in two places so I will try to give you a generic answer: Your typical transformer-based power supply expects to see a 60 or 50 Hz sine wave as the power source. However when you first switch it in, the transformer catches a sine wave in mid stream.

[Drevtoobe]

That means the transformer input first sees zero volts followed instantaneously by up to 160 volts (or 320 volts). This looks almost like a square wave and is called a transient. The output from the transformer is therefore also a transient, and this propagates through the circuit and you see a brief spike on your scope display before everything settles down.

The key thing that generates the spike is that the rate of change of voltage with respect to time during the transient is very high.

[dodoshlodo]

I dont have a trigger coil, I'm still using a reed switch as my magnets are too small to induce a current in the trigger coil and hence switch on the pusle or power coil.

My secondary winding is my pick-up coil that is rectified and goes into large caps.

I am switching transistor very fast now, very good RPM.

[Drevtoobe]

I can suggest two possibilities that may be the reason your first transformer failed. For starters, the most likely failure in the transformer itself was that one of the diodes inside the transformer overheated and failed because too much current was going through it.

Your LED looks quite bright. By any chance are you powering it through one of the spare relay contacts and connecting the transformer output through the relay?

[Drevtoobe]

If the answer is "yes" are you using a current programming resistor for the LED? If you want to power a LED from a 12-volt source you have to use a current programming (a.k.a. limiting) resistor in series with the LED. Without the resistor the LED almost looks like a short-circuit to the transformer and sucks the life out of it.

A similar effect may be in play for your main driving coil. When the coil is switched on, the current going through it rises to a maximum value after a few msec.

[Drevtoobe]

The maximum current through the coil is determined by the measured resistance of the coil. If the coil resistance is quite low it could be drawing too much current from the transformer after it is on for a few milliseconds.

It is possible that these two effects together (over-current on the LED and over-current for the driving coil) created too much of a draw for your transformer. By switching to a larger transformer you have more current capacity and the coil current should not be a problem.

[Drevtoobe]

If the LED is powered directly from your transformer through a spare relay contact without a current limiting resistor then you really should add one. You could very easily burn out the LED and you are still over stressing the larger transformer. You are also wasting power for no reason.

[Drevtoobe]

Finally you should be very cautious about the issue of over unity and not just assume that every Bedini motor is an over unity device.

Any claims of over unity would have to me proven by doing proper measurements on your motor for power-out vs. power-in or total battery energy at the end of the experiment vs. the beginning of the experiment.

These measurements are not trivial, and as far as I am aware there is not a single clip on YouTube that makes the measurements to show over unity.

[dodoshlodo]

yes you are right, its hard to find ppl out there doing proper measurements. I am certainly not claiming overunity, but i am noticing some starnge things happening.

[dodoshlodo]

All I'm going on really are claims by Bedini, Newman and Bearden. And of course Tesla's work on radiant energy. I think these ideas have been greatly and conveniently overlooked throughout history and I simply wish to test these claims myself. There are others like Grey, and more recently proffessor Chung who has discovered negative resistance.

are u a skeptic Drevtoob? have u tried building any of these things yourself?

[Drevtoobe]

Yes I am a skeptic. It's just fun to look at the clips, I never built a motor. Some say that I have no "street cred" and I have no right to comment without experimenting.

I don't buy that, I studied electrical engineering, and with that added insight sometimes I can see what others can't see.

My attitude in a nutshell: Think about checking out a car, you may not care about what's under the hood, you want to see how it performs.

[Drevtoobe]

So the car performance is the same as the output vs. input. We can agree to disagree on the theory behind the operation, but lets look at the results and see what the numbers look like. Ultimately it's a numbers game.

The analogy extends right through to when you finally open up the hood. With a modern car motor, the average person just sees a mass of hoses and wires and has no clue what they are really looking at. When I look I understand what I am looking at (most of the time).

[dodoshlodo]

I have a resistor.

[dodoshlodo]

cool thanks for the insight. Are u a electrical tecky or something? Im just a Engineering student and an avid experimenter. I am learning more everyday. Thanks for the input Drevtoobe, I see your freindly advice everywhere...

do u know whether thicker or thinner coil draws more current? So i actually want a bit of resistance in the coil? ah ohms law, of course.

[dodoshlodo]

yeh i opened it up and the diodes had blown.

Also it could only supply 300mA and i was drawing just a bit more than that.

The light in this vid is actually a small globe. My new motor has evolved considerably since this one.

I have a Bedini'ish circuit now with a Pot and leds and Power transistor intead of relay (it died!). And now 2 bifillar coils.

Im driving it with a big battery now so i dont have power problems.

[Drevtoobe]

"I have a Bedini'ish circuit now with a Pot and leds and Power transistor intead of relay (it died!). And now 2 bifillar coils."

Did you switch over to a pick-up coil to switch the transistor on and off or are you still using the reed switch? Whatever way you go, your objective should be to turn the transistor on and off as fast as possible.

[dodoshlodo]

But Drevtoobe... as far as I can tell this thing is working as a pulsed transformer with 1:1 ratio. If I connect my run battery to my cap I can only charge the cap to 12V max. However when I pulse it through the tranformer (or Bedini Motor) I get very high pulses and can charge cap to 300V!!

Why? any ideas? have u ever noticed what happens when u turn on a dc circuit.... if u hook a circuit up to oscilliscope and switch it on you will see a high initial spike

[Drevtoobe]

Are you studying engineering? If yes you will eventually learn why. An inductor has the ability to discharge it's energy into a capacitor independent of the voltage on the capacitor, so the voltage can keep on going up and up. In theory the sky is the limit.

[dodoshlodo]

yes i am studying mechanical engineering, but we dont do much electronics. plus im more of a hands on guy, like to see it for myself.

so are u implying that the current gets turned into higher voltage, conserving the energy?

how could i test the real power going into a cap?

[Drevtoobe]

Current doesn't get turned into higher voltage but current flow into a capacitor results in higher voltage across the capacitor. It's identical to pumping an air flow into an air tank, where the air flow and the air pressure in the tank are like the current and voltage.

To test the power going into a cap is easy. You want a large cap and just put a resistor across the cap. Run your motor and wait until the cap voltage stabilizes. Then the power is V-squared/R.

[Careica]

Good setup! You can charge up batteries and caps on BEMF.

[Eddiev1985]

Hey Dude,

Nice job.

to capture back EMF use a bifiler or double wound coil.

Use 28 and 26 gauge wire.

One winding to run the pulse motor and the other to a large capacitor or use a bridge rectifer and use the energy to charge a battery.

I think the reason your transformer blew is because your coil wanted to draw more power than it was capeable of delivering.

Try a bigger transformer or a smaller coil.

Nice RPM!!

Do some research on the bedini motor to understand overunity.

Eddie

[dodoshlodo]

cheers man.. yeh im starting to get the whole Bedini principle now. i think i get you, but isn't the secondary coil for timing? I am using reed switch so i dont need the secondary for triggering the pulse coil so i can use it to pick up energy using a rectifier. Also do u suggest capturing and using the back emf from the pulse coil aswell. Daftman reckons not to capture it coz it draws more current from the primary battery

[Eddiev1985]

Hello, ok 2 things.

on a bedini circuit the primary wire is the trigger wire and the secondary wire is the run or power wire.

I was suggesting that you use a bifiler or double wound coil and use the secondary wire to catch the back emf with a B/R.

That would work with a "Pulse motor", wich is what you built here.

You would get a lot more back emf from a secondary winding than trying to get it from the reed switch and possibly slowing the speed of your motor.

[Eddiev1985]

I built the Daftmans set out of the bedini circuit a month ago, and i love it!

It does a great job charging batterys, and it also has nice rpm.

I think the Daftman likes to use the back emf to either run another motor or a load like a light bulb.

Please send the daftman a get well note, as he has recently had a chest crush injury.

"a car fell on him".

I belong to the TEEP forum the Daftman set up.

He is a great guy and he helps alot of people.

Eddie

[dodoshlodo]

cheers Eddie, thats bad to hear about Daftman, geez a car fell on him, dont hear that every day.. yeh I know I've been following Daftman 4 a while, he is doing a really great job.. wats his website>?

[Eddiev1985]

Hey Dodo,

Just visit Daftmans utube page, and the link for his forum is there.

TEEP stands for the energy experimenting people.

[dodoshlodo]

cool cheers man, I didn't know he had a Site up.. I love Daftmans vids!

I've made a lot of improvements to the motor u see in this video.

I've got 2 bifillar coils now that capture back EMF and im getting 280Volts which can give you a real shock!

I'm trying to charge bateries now... Have you had any luck charging batts?

[dodoshlodo]

think your right about the transformer, i've just realised my new one is rated at 1,200mA and not 300mA like the last. Haven't done current measurements yet to verify.

I'm getting really good RPM, even faster now than in the video, to the point where things start falling off the table. And that's using a relay, it gets to a top speed and stays there because the relay cannot keep up with it, so im sure ill get better speeds with a transistor. I'm pretty wrapped considering its a crude/basic rig

[atlantapad]

ok... I accidently removed your response on my video post. Feel free to ad it back. You had a question about catching the back emf. Well, your idea is correct. If you have a circuit using a diode that is in the direction of the current from the back emf, then you will be able to capture it. At that point, you just need to decide if you want to put it in a battery, capacitor or other device.

Why did your transformer blow? It may have been that the transformer's power rating was too low.

[dodoshlodo]

I dont know why it blew - the motor is not drawing much current so i dont think it overloaded it..

I didn't protect the circuit in any way. no Capacitors or diodes stopping the back emf from going back into transformer.. though you'd think there would be a diode inside the thing to protect it..

I might look into the power rating thing. cheers.

Anyway next step is integrating a modified SSG circuit like yours.

Have you made any progress lately? upload some more vids, u were getting somewhere