DotA - Meat Hook Manipulation

[LeloRetsam]

I'll definitely try these. Thanks dood!

[TheFataLProduction]

i think this force stuff extension is not more posible,

curved hooks are awesomes 1. When I hook with curved hook I f Jeeezzzz :D

[holyhexor0o0]

/watch?v=YWwMQt0RTKM here is the example thumbs up for everyone to see

[NoObEr72]

pardon me please...i have tried in your way and it seems working,thanks bro..but i figured another alternative ways and a lot more easier...after you release your hook keep clicking the hotkey for forcestaff and the before the animation ends the hook will be extended...i have tried and it work for me....

[d3sp4ir]

@NoObEr72 as i've said before a few times, (search the comments) i've said that doing that will not extend it to its fullest potential due to delay

[Alon3Mentos]

can you please explain the hook forcestaff cause i don't get it, you put pudge to walk with shift walk , then you hook ( with or without shift walk ? ) , then while hooking you press forcestaff?

[d3sp4ir]

@Alon3Mentos while you're walking, you hold shift and cast force staff on yourself.

so the way i do it is i issue a move order to some place far enough for me to have enough time to shift cast forcestaff on myself.

you need to cast forcestaff before you reach the destination you're walking to btw

[Alon3Mentos]

@d3sp4ir Lol, i've managed to do it a bit different before asking for an explanation , I put pudge to walk to a location , then while he is walking I hook , but with SHIFT, as in I shift + T ,then i spam the force on myself using hotkeys ( i'm pressing number 1 double times , on for activation and one for casting on myself ) , but i'm gonna try your way, and if it's better i'll modify a tutorial i made on pudge tricks.

[d3sp4ir]

@Alon3Mentos your way works, but with the shitty internet in SEA (except singapore) and the resulting delay it's near impossible to extend the hook anywhere near the potential full range unless you're the host

[Alon3Mentos]

@d3sp4ir i tested your way and it seems in extends the hook even farther then my way, nice... so let me get this straight because you forgot to tell me when to hook in your reply, but i think i've figured it out . You put pudge to go to a place , and WHILE he walks you shift + T in front of the arrival place and shift + force staff yourself ( it doesn't work with hotkeys so it's much harder ) all of this must be done BEFORE pudge arrives to the place, am I right ?!

[d3sp4ir]

@Alon3Mentos yes

[Alon3Mentos]

@d3sp4ir tx mate :)

[thethewilliam]

Love to play DotA? Want it in greater graphic like HoN? Play DotA 2!! Coming soon!!

I actually wonder when DotA 2 will be released in Asia... hmm...

[Alon3Mentos]

you forgat the teleport hook :), when ezalor/yo tp;s you and you cast hook right in the last second, when you arive at the destination the hook will continue but when it has something on the other end it will retract it to your original place, meaning the base at the fountain for this example :P

[d3sp4ir]

@Alon3Mentos if you noticed everything here is DIY. so i guess that answers your question :)

[furioN6757]

whoaaaaa



[BatangBlissBryan]

Thanks man :)

[XxHeavenslashxX]

how toshift que i dont know how

[d3sp4ir]

@XxHeavenslashxX just click on a place to walk to, hold shift to cast hook, then still pressing shift click forcestaff on yourself

[d3sp4ir]

@XxHeavenslashxX just click on a place to walk to, hold shift to cast hook, then still pressing shift click forcestaff on yourself

[xXD0taKillerXx]

This is very helpfull thanks i will get an sick hook like this online then ill post it to u ;)

[sasuketai1]

Music ?

[d3sp4ir]

@sasuketai1 r u srs. read the description goddamit

own little world by celldweller

[RaphaelRelic]

You can curve hooks. Just move to the direction you want it to, before the hook retracts. Excellent demonstration of the powers of Pudge. 5/5

[nyimamo]

wats with the bug when we really can make the hook curved?

[taikmodeon]

for a map maker it is a bug( actually ) its supposed to lock the position of the pudge

[MultiNerd123]

Pro Pudge No Need Curved Hooks Or Long Range Hooks.But It Looks Cool When You Curve it.

[icebarrge]

Can someone please tell me how to record in DotA? Please replay

[Fuujikage]

NO TREANTS WERE HURT DURING THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO

[6ILLUMI6NATED6]

search "dota - slam" u will see that u can curve a hook and i can do it too

[MrSprinklz]

You can curve/extend hooks because of how the hook was coded. The hook was coded so that it returns to the casting position, but still travelling the same range from pudge. Eg. Pudge hooks at A to B, B is 1300 distance away from pudge, if pudge moves 100 distance forward while the hook travels, the hook's range will increase to 1300 and return to A instead to Pudge.

Although, I could be completely wrong and be trolled.

[TheSpliffKing]

just to be clear, this video doesnt say anything thats true. bye

[d3sp4ir]

@TheSpliffKing proof will be up some time soon

[androceles]

@TheSpliffKing if you don't think its true then why don't you try it your self..and see how much of an asshole you are

[TheSpliffKing]

no kid, U CANT CURVE HOOKS. ITS A BUG WHEN HOOK GOES OVER TREES AND NOT THRU THEM. K?

[d3sp4ir]

@TheSpliffKing i dont even.

[yunielescaz]

@d3sp4ir ignore the troll. i curve my hooks as well. sub par players will neva understand

[TheWMGC]

@TheSpliffKing UHHH .. Dude It can be curved try it fag.

[LimFuji]

@TheSpliffKing CAPS ON ? I wonder, who is kid here? K ?

[cmak5]

@TheSpliffKing your a retard, YOU CAN CURVE IT! watch my video on pudge the curved hook, all you do is move left or right and the hook curves!

[hjdutch]

i don getit

[spriterkeroro]

can this technique be done in any dota map??

[yeayeayea1100]

good shit dude

[almassokk]

lol great muvi

[d3sp4ir]

@eddyace01 are you sure you're commenting on the right video?

[eddyace01]

@d3sp4ir not really :P

[lordynight]

woa. i know abit about force staff but i didnt know about the curve one . n1 bro . now i know it .try in game.

[Neoblitzer]

Incredibly helpful

[ohyeahyeah123]

Poor treant :( RIP

[zamaru456]

Hell i have been playing for a year and i didn't realize that you can do these things. Thanks bro!

[2auhsoj2]

i never know this yet. my gosh!! you're great

[Chillax444]

hmm nice vid, should do sum test's on the terrain level change with pudge's hook? cus sumtimes it bends downwards and looks like it curves buh doesnt, not sure how the hook works on ledges =S otherwise ty

[d3sp4ir]

@Chillax444 afaik terrain doesnt affect hook... unless you have specific examples you want me to look at?

[banished8910]

You can see that hes using force staff and that is a new item ....

[xXxWhispererxXx]

ty 4 sharing this :)

[cot291]

ohh xD didn't know ^^ anyways thumbs up

[cot291]

i' m not sure but wasn't that the version where pudge had something like 1300 hook range .In the latest version in dont think the curved hook will work good cause it has just only 1000 range

[d3sp4ir]

@cot291 1300 range was like... 4-6 years back at least

all this was done when pudge's hook is 1000 range.

:)

[Zerbe23]

@d3sp4ir the actual hookrange is 1300 ;) or a bit higher 1350, the tooltip is wrong ;). u can check this on official sites, in game mechanic sections

[danne696]

there's another video on the same theme where they split the hook and make a global hook thing using ezalor's TP, so that the hooked unit ends up where pudge started the hook :D

[dinkyfart]

Thumbs up =D thanks for the explaination, 4 years of dota and i never even came close to finding out how hooks curve, always thought it was because of the terrain

[iiwudaffk]

i got it ^^

[J0M4RT]

w0w....GOOodd......the range of the HOOk adjust :D

[ClanDragonx]

Thumbs up

[jojojosefh]

does it still works in the newer maps like 6.67 and higher?

[d3sp4ir]

@jojojosefh

If I'm not wrong this is gonna work forever.

[morone91]

the hook extension is new to me curving i tried it a few month back...its kinda hard and useless but it cool man...nice vid good facts

[d3sp4ir]

@morone91 Hard, yes. Useless, not in a million years.

[MaCkErzZz2010]

haha!!! I LIKE THIS VIDEO!! :DD

[ricorero77]

I'm practicing pudge right now, thanks to this I'm gonna be improving my skills further man hahaha... GREAT VID!!!

[AceVenusable]

ohh yea.... nice man =)

[zeraphin22]

ang talinong unggoy! hahah xD

[GBGinmyheart]

Flamingzor is almost flamingo xD

[battleflashify]

fantastic

i always wondered why on flat ground there was that little curve at the end

thankyou so much lmao

[d3sp4ir]

@x33Kiat

As much as people like Pudge videos, I really think that they're overrated.

I mean, 6-9 minutes worth of Pudge footage is boring, no?

[misty21497]

what is the song used ?

[d3sp4ir]

@misty21497 Own Little World - Celldweller

[misty21497]

song please ?

[critx001]

thank you for this!! now i can lesser my "imbaness" using pudge :)

[SeaTownIsBad]

Smart ass kid.

[marksheaven]

O.o so that's the reason why the hook curves sometime., a very good observation Indeed. Thumbs up!

[SpyFlame]

what if you use blink dagger?

[d3sp4ir]

@SpyFlame Pudge can't use blink O___o

[c0renk]

i also thank you.. couse i really2 need to know how to use pudge!! tq tq so much ^^

[wiwbiz]

1 more subcriber. Just make originals w/o unnecessary crap.

[d3sp4ir]

Original?? As in..?

[wiwbiz]

Good explain w/o show off.

Just a suggestion to keep it like that .

[PIAN0life]

Very nice, Ty

[kennedy1910605354158]

verry nice tx man ...:)

[markomkdohrid]

ty man ^^

[mhygne17phygne]

so c0ol!!tnx sir!!tnx for sharing ur ideas!!=))

[CheesyBacon310]

you should try to curve the hook with force staff

[d3sp4ir]

I did, but I decided not to post the results up.

The problem with force staff curving is that the hook is almost at the point of retracting no matter how fast you do it.

You can try it yourself. Hook -> shift + right click to the left or right close to pudge -> shift+forcestaff

[decay]

@d3sp4ir check out my vid, i've been practicing it.. almost ready to try in game :D

[flameice2]

wow, i think you just solved the mystery that never fails to baffle dota players: the curved hook. Thanks for the vid!

[nickzkiller]

This is the best Pudge Hook indepth analysis i've seen in my 4 years playing dota

[d3sp4ir]

Probably because it's the only one lolol

Thanks.

[swatslayer88]

NO man....its good man...i love how you explain it....pudge is the only hero ive got problems playing with becuz he hooks his own units..so yeah..thanks man.... 6/5 for this video...:D

[ShadowRaze999]

Icefrog purposely made the less than one second pause right after hook (I think), for that reason, to make the hook go in the direction you clicked. If however he removed that, the hook could be manipulated much more... Nice video though.

[xxkenji]

5 star...i dont quite get it how to do you curve the hook tothe right?...by moving to the right?...

what happens if you move backward? does the hook range shorten?

[d3sp4ir]

Yes to the first question. Basically the hook's curve depends on how far to the left or right you are, and not where you are facing.

As for the second question, I do think that the range will be shorter than usual. I'm not completely sure, since I've yet to see a pudge turn 180 degrees after casting hook lol.

[xxkenji]

good pointXD LOL but there's this vid yesterday that pudge hooked forward...and another pudge hooked that pudge...the hook range remained but moves as where the hook'er goes to....O_o geit it?...jeez its hard to explainXD LOL but nice vid...love it!

[ricepattie]

hon is for bandwagon gayboys

[hugepound007]

HON! Dota 2.0 get on board :)

[d3sp4ir]

Eh? HoN doesn't attract me >__>

It's all about the mechanics.

HoN is coded however the devs want since it is standalone.

DotA is coded using War3 language, which allows things like this^ to be done.

It's not the same.

Stay dota. Get off board

[HyegunD]

Hey d3sp4ir, i can help you to make movie with me with this uses..if you want just PM me

[d3sp4ir]

@HyegunD

Sure when I decide to get back to playing DotA.

Haven't been playing it for a while.

[HyegunD]

Oh, it's ok, when you want just send me a PM...

[igop1988]

how can you do that hook curves? that was nice. that's my favorite hero. weEeE!!!!!

[DnPStabiE]

Very nice!Rated!

[h654258h]

u can do it using shift

[SuperYouloveit]

is this on laptop gameplay?

[d3sp4ir]

Yeah, which probably explains the quality and stuff.

[stankataaa]

omg AMAZING O.o

[Strahoz]

wow!

[Kipzo1337]

Awsome!

[VincentGwee]

6.64 pudge cant move when u r hooking

[d3sp4ir]

You can, after hooking. I didn't do all this while hooking.

[d3sp4ir]

I mean, while moving.

[jiqin603]

wow......thx for sharing ur technic...

it reli usefull

[jamezfarz]

what is the title of the song???

[d3sp4ir]

Um, if you even bothered to read the description, it says

"Celldweller - Own Little World" I believe.

[jamezfarz]

tnx man...

[tenthouxd]

WE WILL NEVER DIE :P

[d3sp4ir]

:DD

[JRMaster4]

thats was great!!

O_o!

[d3sp4ir]

Thanks. :o

Comments make me happy ^_^

[cmak5]

nice vid man, u know u can also split pudges hook!

if u want to know how, watch my other vid lolz, keep the videoad comin man.

[pascuares]

hey man please tell me what i need to have to do the curved hook ? please tell me and tell me your account of battlenet please

[d3sp4ir]

I think Boots of Travels will be sufficient. I don't really play Pudge nowadays, but BoT should give you enough for the curve in the hook.

And I only play Garena. Don't like the delay on Bnet.

[Dan1104xv]

Celldweller FTW nice hook tricks.

[Pipibreee]

Google it and you will see more information... I have seen that about 5 months ago

[d3sp4ir]

Imma sowweee Q_Qz

I realised that it's been known for a very very long time only after like I posted the vid.

Oops? :3

[Pipibreee]

There is another vedio on youtube which shows Y the hook bend and the killing by that

[d3sp4ir]

It's earlier than mine, right?

O_o

I have no idea.

[whitecraneman]

very interesting, but damn hard to use in the heat of a fight. I'll try tho, thank you for showing that.

Jean.Merde.

Watch n rate my vid: Fresh meat vol.1

[1sweludde1]

yeah i failed to spell zZzz...

[1sweludde1]

VERY ncie man i play a RPG game called GunZ and just as this ur very pro and show intresting bugs with pudge like u can use in realgame or as u allways wonder why that happen (-: gj wlel it aint the best Quality but who cares? we get it and its usefull thansk and keep working on DotA vids ;D....

[pageisbest]

so thats how the hooks curve :) now i know.. thankies :)

[z3rocloud]

You might want to try using gamecam.

[PsiXAISBERG]

gj dude =В

[konstanosa]

Which is the song???

[konstanosa]

Ok I just saw it in descreption!

[Spookbros]

I just tried it out and it worked really well. It was a bit hard to actualy match the hook+shift since you can't really move at when he decides to hook. So what you got to do is to really plan the other guys movement speed, and wait a little behind. Then aim at the target from far away and hook+shift. With some macro I guess it'd be a lot easier.

[d3sp4ir]

So you managed to hook the target? If you don't mind can you make a small video response or upload the replay?

I'd really like to see the outcome and since I'm studying right now I can't play.

[Spookbros]

Sure, I guess I could. But not today, I'm getting a little tired. I'll sure get it up this weekend at least. :)

[d3sp4ir]

Thanks bro

[aizee1]

im a pudge lover.. xD

[Spookbros]

Subscribed. I've been playing for over 3 years and havn't figured it out :P Thanks a lot. There's lack of good videos on youtube that actualy can learn you something new, not just the old "Look, I got lucky" kind of bullshit. Very apreciated. Nice work on this one.

[d3sp4ir]

Thank you very much. I appreciate your comment too.

[heroXdavid]

now that`s a cool guide!

[hubasddsa]

nice video

5/5 + subscribe

watch my videos and sub back

[tonyanubis]

lol!!! cool video

[M4ktor]

nice video dude, people should make more videos like this...very good...editing wasnt "OMFG EDIT MASTER" but the important is the video content ^^ 5 star

[d3sp4ir]

Thank you very very much.

[lanzaiiii]

Awesome

[SkylinerFTW]

oh fuck nice video i know these things but

funny to watch them

5/5 and subscribe :)

maybe watch my video / s and subscribe back :)

[PandaRorz]

The hook goes zoom zoom and the wee wee, and the waa waa

[kAOOOxD]

this is really cool

[pigpigs123]

COOL TRICK!

[yongrenjie]

LIKE

[Assaris]

u suck :) WANKIT

[lzt101]

nice~~learn smth ^^

[Forellenlord]

Celdweller rocks man :D

[FrozenIce51]

Pretty cool video, but the music is bad.... wy does everyone insist in those screaming bands....

[d3sp4ir]

Lol, sorry man, but I chose it cuz the song ends around the same time as the video.