The click is a training tool. One can chain behaviors together until they have a complete behavior made up of small parts. Eventually one clicks and reinforces the entire behavior ... which would include an entire test routine without ever clicking until complete and exiting the test area.
As for confusing click for cluck...not going to happen. Horses are extremely discriminating when training is being done, and later at other times. .
Sounds like the Premack principle - the favored (often reinforced) behavior or halting reinforces the lead change. You CAN click at the change, and then ASK the horse to halt properly, but it does take some practice to get them to understand the extra step. Nicely done.
@QHlover100 I think they are using a 'clicker' to make a click that the horse associated with praise/a reward. The reason the horse is meant to see it as a reward is that they have associated the 'click' with a pleasurable experience eg being given food. The click isn't a signal for the horse to do anything in particular. A 'cluck' is a noise that some people make with their mouths as a signal to the horse to 'go forward'.
So I'm wondering if you clicked the actual change a couple of times, even if he jammed to a halt, that it might make the process even more clear. Once the process of clicking is clear the horse can learn very quickly and the beautiful halt won't be disturbed. Just a thought...
thanks so much for posting this! I am in the process of working to solidify flying lead changes with my horse and we have recently started some clicker training so this was incredibly helpful!
Molly explains at 3:33 in this clip her reasons for not clicking this horse while it is cantering. Jan and I both click at the moment of the desired movement/behavior when training. We were not there for all the lessons, so don't know if it was at some time clicked during the attempt. I am working at editing the other 2 times we filmed, and I need to review them fully to see if I can find an example. We wanted to show that clicker training can be adapted to any discipline with success. Beth
The "click" sound is distinctly different than the "cluck" sound that many folks use to ask for forward movement. Both Jan and I use a mouth click because it leaves both our hands free, but there are little hand held clickers that most/many clicker trainers use. It was fun watching your drawings.
Thank you for your comment. Jan and I do click the moment the behavior occurs. Molly explains on the video why she didn't in this particular situation.
Nice work! But, I'm not sure I understand why you can't click in the moment the horse offers the bend or change, even if it stops suddenly? I've found that it is helpful to click immediately at least a few times so the horse is clear about what is being rewarded, and then build with more strides afterward that. It seems that waiting to click until after the halt is asking a lot of the horse in terms of making the connection...
The click is a training tool. One can chain behaviors together until they have a complete behavior made up of small parts. Eventually one clicks and reinforces the entire behavior ... which would include an entire test routine without ever clicking until complete and exiting the test area.
As for confusing click for cluck...not going to happen. Horses are extremely discriminating when training is being done, and later at other times. .
ThePohakukane 4 days ago
@MrTrees4u
They are only using the clicking sounds for TRAINING the horse. They won't need to use them during a test.
TheTeapotte 8 months ago
we are in the uk makeing click sounds is a no no whilst riding in a dressage comp
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MrTrees4u 8 months ago
Sounds like the Premack principle - the favored (often reinforced) behavior or halting reinforces the lead change. You CAN click at the change, and then ASK the horse to halt properly, but it does take some practice to get them to understand the extra step. Nicely done.
mjmvet 2 years ago
Do they mean Click or Cluck? I don't get it. What does it even teach them?
QHlover100 2 years ago
@QHlover100 I think they are using a 'clicker' to make a click that the horse associated with praise/a reward. The reason the horse is meant to see it as a reward is that they have associated the 'click' with a pleasurable experience eg being given food. The click isn't a signal for the horse to do anything in particular. A 'cluck' is a noise that some people make with their mouths as a signal to the horse to 'go forward'.
TheMoyse 2 years ago
So I'm wondering if you clicked the actual change a couple of times, even if he jammed to a halt, that it might make the process even more clear. Once the process of clicking is clear the horse can learn very quickly and the beautiful halt won't be disturbed. Just a thought...
Peggasus09 3 years ago
I believe we answered a similar question above when answering Ksturg8929. I hope it addresses your thoughts as well.
clickonsuccess 3 years ago
thanks so much for posting this! I am in the process of working to solidify flying lead changes with my horse and we have recently started some clicker training so this was incredibly helpful!
USNBRAT91 3 years ago
am i blind or did i just watch 10 mins with no flying changes except a late one?
rfind 3 years ago
Molly explains at 3:33 in this clip her reasons for not clicking this horse while it is cantering. Jan and I both click at the moment of the desired movement/behavior when training. We were not there for all the lessons, so don't know if it was at some time clicked during the attempt. I am working at editing the other 2 times we filmed, and I need to review them fully to see if I can find an example. We wanted to show that clicker training can be adapted to any discipline with success. Beth
clickonsuccess 3 years ago
Hi there, quick question for you. Was the horse in the video ever clicked for an attempt at flying lead changes, or was it only clicked at the halt?
Great to see clicker training being used to teach basic dressage movements.
traceward 3 years ago
OK IM confused. why would you click to the horse when clicking means 4 them to go faster
coc0abeanrider659 3 years ago
The "click" sound is distinctly different than the "cluck" sound that many folks use to ask for forward movement. Both Jan and I use a mouth click because it leaves both our hands free, but there are little hand held clickers that most/many clicker trainers use. It was fun watching your drawings.
clickonsuccess 3 years ago
thank you if you have a horse or pony that you would like me to draw i can. im taking requests now! look at my latest video for more info!!
coc0abeanrider659 3 years ago
ok so how does ct work??
iluvbilly908 3 years ago
Thank you for your comment. Jan and I do click the moment the behavior occurs. Molly explains on the video why she didn't in this particular situation.
clickonsuccess 3 years ago
Nice work! But, I'm not sure I understand why you can't click in the moment the horse offers the bend or change, even if it stops suddenly? I've found that it is helpful to click immediately at least a few times so the horse is clear about what is being rewarded, and then build with more strides afterward that. It seems that waiting to click until after the halt is asking a lot of the horse in terms of making the connection...
Ksturg8929 3 years ago