Americans in the Spanish Civil War (2 of 2)

[MIKKOBROWN]

Thank you to all members of the International Brigades from Madrid.

[chorixo]

I´m spanish and I can´t thank enough all these brave men and women, their sacrifice and the way they gave everything they had, up to their very own lifes for the cause "la causa" is just astonishing, specially in our days. The words of that woman at the end nearly brought tears to my eyes. Gracias y salud donde quiera que estéis.

[angusisgone]

@chorixo i'm american but above that i'm a FREE MAN, and i cried several times during this, they are true heroes of spain and america, and a personal inspiration to me. Viva la Quince Brigada! Viva España libre!

[FUCKWHITEPEOPLEable]

FUCK THE WHITE PLAGUE

[motorhead992]

my great uncle fought in spain against the fascists.

[Sefardisafran]

Viva La República Española!¡ Mi padre fué un voluntario y mi madre una "driver" de ambulancias. They met there!

Sefardisafran

[ohnoshedidntw8]

This video suck. This war was fought by the two greatest plauge of mankind and the video glorify one of them and hates on the other while in reality they are almost the same.

[dearmalika]

Very interesting! Thanks for posting!

[bliree]

VIVA LA REPUBLICA!

[billybill56]

What a load of commie propaganda this is!

[KickingTwenty]

Neville Chamberlain was a spineless shit, and his administration is a stain on Britain's self-respect.

[grummeper]

5 *****

[BasicModelling]

Very interesting.. :L)

[ctbarfield]

I've read two books about the war. They present a much more complicated view than this "pure anti-Fascist" presentation.

For example, the supporters of the Republic had a habit of burning churches and killing priests and nuns. For some reason, that fact didn't come out in the video. Nor did the word "Communist" occur in the film. But an American from Seattle was called the "Political officer" read Commisar. Also unmentioned: Franco was a good ally to the U. S.

[nameisalreadytaken]

Right, ctbarfield, and so was Saddam Hussein when we cared more about screwing Iran than supporting civil and just democracies. Franco illegally overthrew an elected government - do you support democracy? I have to ask, because I assume you wouldn't support a similar fascist takeover of the U.S.

And it's safe to say that any country that's participated in a war has committed atrocities - be it the U.S., Britain, Spain, Germany, etc. etc. The U.S. is no more guilty than any other country.

[ctbarfield]

Do I support democracy? Yes--the same way the American Founding Fathers did. Their COLLEGE OF ELECTORS protects us against democracy running wild. If the people vote-in some wild radical, the Electors pick another President--that's their job. More recently, the Federal Gov. cancelled the democratic segregation laws of Southern states. Then the U.S. MADE the Iraqis include civil rights in their new constitution, because democracy

would have created an Islamic Fundamentalist state regime.

[Anekantavad]

The communists betrayed the Republic. I won't condemn individual communists, but my sympathies are with the anarchists.

But anyone who opposed fascism at that time has my respect, whatever their political affiliation.

[TheTollundWoman]

Franco was never a "friend of America." During the civil war, he requested aid from the Nazis who would go on to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans a few short years later. During WW II he remained neutral, refusing to help America or any of the Allies in their fight against Hitler. Even after the war, when Franco found common cause with America against Stalin (who, like Franco himself, was a dictator), Franco's alliance with the US was based on coinciding interests, not any shared values.

[TheTollundWoman]

How could a dictator like Franco, who overthrew a democratic government, be a genuine ally of the US, with its deeply rooted historical commitment to democracy, and its conception of itself as a guardian of democracy everywhere? Franco's Spain had nothing in common with the democratic US, in which, unlike under fascism, freedom of religion and freedom of speech are protected *by law*.

[TheTollundWoman]

It is true that the Communists gave their full support for the Republicans. During World War II a few short years later, the Soviet Union gave its full support to none other than the American and British democracies- not because Americans were all communists, but because they shared a common enemy who posed a common threat, not merely to any one political group, but to humanity as a whole. During the Spanish civil war, as during WW2, the communists were the lesser of two evils

[D42Clinton]

@TheTollundWoman

I guess by your post you are quite young. Let me tell you:

"Soviet Union gave its full support to none other than the American and British democracies"

Not true at all, Stalin signed a pact with Hitler in 1939, search for Nazi Sovietic pact in google. Both countries destroyed Poland and split the country for them. Later Hitler will attack the Soviet Union.

"the communists were the lesser of two evils"

Are you kidding me ? google for red terror spain

[TheTollundWoman]

@D42Clinton

I know full well that Stalin and his henchmen had no personal interest in fighting Hitler, but once the Nazis invaded Russia they realized they had no choice, if only to preserve their own completely undeserved power from their equally murderous fellow dictator(s.)

[TheTollundWoman]

@D42Clinton

Morally there is practically no distinction between fascism and communism; practically in the context of ww2 however, there was a temporary but significant difference. i wasn't defending communism in any way. but "even a broken clock is right twice a day"

[D42Clinton]

@TheTollundWoman

Ok, i have problems to post the link here. I sent you in a private message though.

Cheers

[TheTollundWoman]

@D42Clinton

yes i know about the red terror in spain it was mostly carried out by stalinists against democratic socialists, anarchists and trotskyists...george orwell devotes several brilliant passages to it in "homage to catalonia" :D

i think you misunderstood my comment, i wasn't defending the soviets

[Nationalist65]

Psycopathic Americans! This is Jewish propoganda at its worst!

[vsaldanas]

A class war and moral war is coming to the US America.

[PantherReignsSupreme]

Hopefully the recalled International Brigades will be there. :D

[ctbarfield]

Well, let's hope not. The conditions here are not as bad as they were in Spain before the civil war. And say what you will about Franco, he unified the country and raised the standard of living for every class of citizen.

[beargrizly67]

!Vivan los Internacionales!

[drchepa]

these are the americans i like it!.....

[StoneWallD]

"Three great democracies" Dammit!! the USA is A REPUBLIC !!!

[leonvoltaire]

"Dammit!! the USA is A REPUBLIC !!! "

Correct, but through the brainwashing, it eludes the average person.

This is an age old battle, look up the Monroe Doctrine = Free Republics v Roman Catholic Monarchs

This is why it was Catholic Powers v the Republicans of Spain.

The 3rd Reich was the formation of the Unholy Roman Empire now we have the 4th Reich and the USA is on Rome's side!

[beargrizly67]

May be comparison of the 3rd Reich to the USA seems very original and clever to you. To me it does not. To me it rather looks like a cheap mind trick. Probably you have no more than a vague idea what Nazy Germany was.

[leonvoltaire]

"Probably you have no more than a vague idea what Nazy Germany was"

Franz von Papen, the Nazi enabler and the Knights of Malta & Jesuit connection?

Direct from Spain: Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, has died defending Christianity. His tomb, the funeral pyre of Berlin, can carry a Spanish epitaph: He who is buried here did not die.

[leonvoltaire]

cont From death he departed into life. If Adolf Hitler had been allowed to choose his death, this is the death he would have chosen, that he might turn death into life. Together with the palm of martyrdom, God bestows upon Hitler the laurel of victory. Hitler died that Europe might be free. The profound mystique created in Europe by his death will end in triumph over all Humanity.

Please do not underestimate the knowledge others try to teach and wait until what i am going to send you, peace!

[StoneWallD]

The USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY IT IS A REPUBLIC !!!! DAMMIT !!

[StoneWallD]

Hey narrator it was not the democractic army it was THE REPUBLICAN ARMY !!!!! DAMMIT !!!

[wiltingrainbow]

These two videos made me cry.

[11month11day11our]

No pasaran!

[pjtwalt]

We Americans saved more Japanese than we killed with the Atomic Bombs. Democracy's did not jump into save the Spanish Republic because it was a failed fragmented democracy. The internationalists schoud

[croydel]

many hostile messages 'folks mention other countrys behaviour goin back centurys. im english my parents are irish' i dont blame people now for the irish famine ' spains population of the 1930's was predomitaly poor they would have been better off communist' wasnt uncommon in 1930's for peasonts in rural areas to starve to death because of selfish cruel landowners.facists stood up for the wealthy landlords/clergy/army generals'who were a small minority in comparison to the working class'.

[MalibuSabri]

Thank you for the video. I found it very interesting. I am glad that Americans went to fight for what was right.

[ste77sa]

fighting for communism isn't right

[alfonso22espana]

viva franco

viva españa

muerte a los rojos

viva el fascismo

[randall2020]

alfonso22, you must be an American Republican.

[Athrek]

¿acaso no tienes cole?...¿hazte y hazme un un favor de acuerdo? sobretodo haz los deberes, aprende y estudia mucho... lo tuyo tiene cura, no te preocupes.

[singulinomascular]

hi from Spain...only voluntaries help us...England and France leaves the Spanish Republic alone...after arrives the WORLD WAR but only the voluntaries help us....they saw the true.

[jbgreenday]

aprende a hablar inglés por favor...van a pensar los americanos que somos todos unos paletos...

[singulinomascular]

te refieres a mi?

[jbgreenday]

si, me refiero a ti...al menos podrías poner los verbos en pasado...y hay algunas frases que no tienen sentido...te crees que hablas bien inglés? lo llevas claro...XD

[singulinomascular]

Me parece que lo que a ti te molesta es el fondo de la cuestión....

los americanos que vinieron a combatir en "Las Brigadas Internacionales" no creo que hablaran el bien el español , yo tampoco el ingles pero lo intento como ellos lo intentaron y creo que me comprenderán.

El que lo llevas claro eres tu...en Historia .

[jbgreenday]

Yo no he hecho ningún comentario en historia, más que nada porque no conozco muy a fondo la historia del siglo XX, por lo tanto no soy quién para comentar por miedo al ridículo, un miedo que tú has perdido.

[singulinomascular]

si tronco, aprende Historia, yo ingles... y tu Historia (que es de lo que trata este video, de ahi el comentario que hice en su dia).De todos modos no se como puedes llamar paleto a alguien cuando tu reconoces tu propia ignorancia cultural de tu propia Historia...y encima te crees juez aqui.....utiliza tu tiempo en algo util, es sencillo llamar paletos a los demas , seguramente te creas que por saber ingles ya eres de una raza superior.

[ichmalealsobinich]

I have heard that many americans who formerly served in the international brigades like Frank Tinker and Albert Bäumler were persecuted after the 2nd world war by Mc Carthy`s office and charged for treasury of the nation in favor of the communists. Is this true?

[sheepblitzer]

yup. even before McCarthy's time the "premature antifascists" (see Gerassi's book by this name) were being watched by the FBI, many were barred from military service, some were even hounded and had their livelihoods ruined by government agents. this was especially true for those who continued their anti-fascist activities after the Spanish Civil War.

[IustitiaPax]

Maybe for once the anti-communist White emigré Russian volunteers for the National Liberators of the great Franco, and the Dutch, French, American, Brazilian and Swiss pro-Franco intellectual volunteers can also be shown? The one-sided pro-leftist pro-marxist-violence "intellectuals" are hailed, the others forgotten. Political history is never objective and fair.

[qbansugar]

BOO HOO poor little Stalinists...Franco was a hero the kept Spain from going communist.

Con La Cara Al Sol!!!!

[rsiano]

No one speaks about the massacring of Roman Catholic peasants, the raping of nunes and the burning of Churches by the Communist regime and the anarchists? They talk about the Jews being murdered by the Nazis but no one speaks about the suffering that us Catholics endured because of the spread of Communism to the Iberian Peninsula.

[yuri26j]

think how much the chuch have made the people sufer for hundreds of years if the vatican would have staid out of politics nithing would have hapened the church did not play clean and in war that have consecuences

[sheepblitzer]

both sides may have committed atrocities, but dont prolong the propaganda of one particular side. try reading some history books first. they have this stuff sorted out already for the most part.

[rsiano]

They are so exaggerated that I had family tied to the Roman Catholic church that were burned alive on a Sunday morning while praying. Santiago Castillo is a murderer! VIVA LA ESPANA! VIVA EL CATOLICISMO!

[yuri26j]

its carrillo you ignorant twat

[rsiano]

Same fuckn' guy.

[sheepblitzer]

many of these events were exxagerated or even fabricated by pro-Franco propaganda. remember the bombing of Guernica? according to Franco's press, this was committed not by German dive-bombers, but by miners armed with dynamite. he even tried to continue this lie after the war, when most of the world knew what really happened. furthermore Franco's record of brutal repressions and mass excecutions was hidden.

[dkrustyklown]

The mass executions weren't hidden. Franco proudly took credit for annihilating the Spanish Communist party. They were each given a 30 second trial and promptly shot.

The only good communist is a dead communist.

[PeacefulDemon]

Thanks for that big brother

[lordtomtom]

Indeed general Franco saved the west from what

might have become a retarded , dark and

vile soviet parasite.

[sheepblitzer]

yes, just like how Hitler was saving Germany from the communists when he opened up the camps....

its funny how the pro-Franco PROPAGANDA has lived on and to this day shapes certain peoples' perspective on the conflict. try reading some books on the subject, it might give you a clearer understanding.

[chalk20]

This is awsome video! Thanks for posting it. These people who fought against the fascists are heros!

[oliveiracortes]

Fuck!! another one from this country talking, there are no bigger fascist than you lot, so stop commenting on others, you have no moral right!! just think of the civilians of hiroshima and nagasaki, not to mention all the other atrocities, includling the real americans, yes the real ones. indians!

[ste77sa]

Who can forget that the SPANISH conquistadors murdered 60 million indigenous peoples in the 'new world'. Only ISLAM murdered more people (in India). European powers brought slavery and genocide to the new world, from 1492 to 1792 France, Spain, Britain and Netherlands committed mass genocide against the natives. Europe is responsible for almost all problems, except slavery that's an Arab muslim invention

[oliveiracortes]

The difference being we try to learn from our mistakes, as for slavery, its not a muslim thing! but you lot perfected it to a fine art that no one could possibly imitate, and still murdering today, no lessons learnt there then!!

[PeacefulDemon]

Wat happened then has NOTHING to do with us ... we learned and things are getting a lot better

[beargrizly67]

oliveracotes, I just thought of civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like you suggested and again realized that Americans did the right thing.

[oliveiracortes]

I am glad you think so, and I am glad you think you did them a favour, but please, don't do any more favours for anyone. The only reason you dropped the bombs was you could and needed to try them out, PERIOD!

[beargrizly67]

The reason America dropped the bombs was not to do a favor to Japanese but a need to stop the war. And not the USA started that war, but Japan - bloody and cruel and dangerous enemy. So

Americans did the right thing, saved many human lives, and Japanese lives among them.

[sheepblitzer]

the video depicts the British "neutrality," which favored the fascists as some sinister plot with no real purpose. it was actually strategically planned as a way to contain the spread of Bolshevism which they saw as the greatest threat to their empire. See Douglas Little, "malevolent neutrality."

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

Yes, but had Britain and France supported the Spanish Republic, then it would have not been forced to rely so much on the USSR. "Bolshevism" spread so much in Spain only because no governments (besides half-hearted support from Mexico) would assist the legitimate Spanish Republic. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

[sheepblitzer]

true. the real reason is to protect British business interests (mainly the mines) which were threatened by the socialist reforms and collectivizations under the Second Republic. The Nationalists on the other hand promised the return of "order," (and profits for the businesses). So it wasnt the Soviets they were worried about but Spanish revolutionaries and labor unions.

[sheepblitzer]

forcing the Republic into Soviet embrace actually helped to ensure their defeat, since the soviets were undoing the revolution (see Bolloten, Broue and Temime) and ripping off the Repub with poor arms deals (see Howson, "Arms for Spain").

so youre right. forget what i said five months ago

[scumbauggio]

"... the men who run the wars have sons who can be killed too."

Wonder how much more true (if any) that was then than it is now?

Thanks for uploading these. The lessons still need to be learned.

[nickvanzetti]

that was great OttOmOlOtOv. your uploads are fabulous. keep it up!