"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians and whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (Qur'an 2:62).
"Education" attained from studying SEVEN YT videos tapes of no more than TEN MINUTES duration of each- the whole seventy minutes of commentary- sounds almost a life time!
"take no juws christians as your friends in Al Maeda? because of the treacherous dealings!
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Paul, dosent want free & critical inquiry or fear of exposure colossians.2:8
If you really watched and understood Dr.Badawi's lecture, you would not blame the failures of men on Islam.
It's ironic that your interpretation of Islam, which is a bad interpretation btw, is the same as the very people (from the islamic societies you're talking about) you despise. Peace out anyway.
sorry Sean, but you didn't listen to Dr. Jamal Badawi with an open mind at all, you have already " studied " the Quran according to your sources. and again Sean your reply to the video is the farthest from educated, because it is based on your own opinion that is based on a previous " study " of the Quran, with no references. With all the misinformation in the media about Islam and muslims, the bitter fact is ISLAM is the most growing religion in the world and no one can hide the sun
you're so full of hatred you can't even breath. "my arabic is so poor!" yet you take the liberty to criticize and trash a book written in Arabic! how ironic, complete non sense!!
if the truth about islam religion of peace and submition does not please u,search the extremist version of malpractice on other sites among ignorant and brainwashed people...usually people alike find their rest with people alike...good luck with that poor you...
I think you have missed the whole point of Dr. Badawi' s presentation.
He is indeed speaking about the "naked" teachings that can be found in the Qur' an or the Hadith, and he is also considering the historical context or even the context within certain passages of the Qur'an.
He is not talking about the way how certain actions of special groups within the Islamic community may be justified by cut-and-paste-methods that are being used by the same groups.
it is not only muhammad pbuh who think the tora and gospel are twisted, it is even in your bible, the bible says that and it is in ger 8:8, alright, so you laugh at us, the laugh is at you, one more thing not only the bible and Muhammad peace be upon him and blessings who thinks the tora was twisted and the gospel aswell, even your fifty scolars backed by 32 churches admit that fact, you need to watch some videos of debates between muslims and christians, such as ahmad deedat and shabeer ally.
the ignorants are you who stay out of islam, don't you know only educated highly very important and good people who accept islam?, i name them for you, Dr keith moor, Dr moris botaekh, Yusuf Estes, Cat Stevens, and the list is too long never ends.
quote from last semon of the prophet Muhammad(pbuh): All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
Why do you want a church outside the compound? Same as in Canada I never heard the call for prayer, why should you hear bells in Saudi? You have to be fair with us too.
Please don't lie about wearing the cross, I have seen many Philippine's in Saudi wearing gangster huge crosses.
I would like to see churches everywhere, including Saudi. I would think that as a good Muslim you would want to see Mosques everywhere.
However I would only what to see churches where they would be established in a context of non-coercion. The problem with the idea of Islam everywhere, it often comes with coercion. I think it's wise for freedom loving people to prevent Islam a chance of even taking root in the first place.
what?? i am from Saudi and there is Hindus and Egyptian Coptic Christians working in Saudi for years, not to mention that we have Americans and Canadians there too working in ARAMCO. WE HAVE an American Army in our country since the Gulf war in our country. I am living in Alberta Canada because my dad's friend who is Albertan thought that I would like it.
Can Christian or other religion profess their faith outside their comfort compound, you tell me. I have a relative who been to saudi too, he told me, even only wearing a cross, you got caught. Give me break buddy....
umm? go read the comments up there. I don't think thats what he meant.
You think that we should invite people to convert us?? thats so funny that you suggest that. O.K I am a Muslim from Saudi Arabia, take your chance. Let us see, invite me.
Allowing people to convert to which ever religion that they wish, is what freedom of religion means. We are in a free Western nation, it's permitted here. But in SA:
Guilty for converting to Christianity, a young Saudi woman was set alight by her father, who first had cut her tongue. reported by the United Arab Emirates (UAE)s daily Gulf Newsthe. The woman had added also the insult of the written word, by writing articles with Christian-religious content on blogs and regional websites.
Well Sean, Interpret verses as you wish to interpret them. I could say the same about Christianity, which in fact has a far more violent history (including massacring civilians and breaking treaties), as well as a far more violent book.
At the end of the day, I ask to question your belief, not just blindly follow what your parents were. The Bible you have today has been modified drastically. No 2 ancient manuscripts are the same, as Chrisitan Bible Scholars say.
It's not the relative violence that concerns me at this point in history it's the violence of sharia that concerns me.
The ancient manuscripts consistently present Jesus as son of God.
At the end of the day, we all should want to know the truth, and we all should question our beliefs, this I have done and continue to do. I find that the biblical record can live up to any scrutiny.
I would think that you would be concerned about the fact that the Qur'an contradicts all previous revelations.
Sean, the Quran only contradicts the church's understanding of the NT. But clearly it is closer to the OT where God is purely one, no trinity, and prophets are purely human.
The NT is the contradiction, after all the "one GOD worship noone else" suddenly we see God has a son, who is himself God, becomes man, in a confusing trinity
Sharia is less strict than OT laws, which you believe to be from God.
I suggest you look into a book by Bart Ehrman "Misquoting Jesus"
Quran contradicts OT: the selection of Isaac over Ishmael; the advancement of a substitutionary blood sacrifice for sins (Genesis 3:21, Isaiah 53); David's psalm and proverb referring to the Son of God (Psalm 2, Proverbs 34) just to name a few.
I agree Sharia is less strict than OT laws, the important differences are OT law for Jews only. Sharia is for all who come under said jurisdiction, if it's the law of SA then all in SA are subject.
Bart Ehrman: (see my video Teaching Company Errors)
sean, Quran disagrees with OT on many details, but the basic theology is very similar, One God, Worship him with no partners. That is why Islamic and Jewish view of God are similar. But then suddenly God reveals his triune nature ?
Even if OT laws are only for Jews, you believe that God can give such laws and order their implementation, and that it would be sinful to leave them in that case. Then in principle, you agree Sharia Law is a logical consequence of believing in Islam.
Assalamo, I do agree that Sharia Law is a logical consequence of believing in Islam. But I have a problem with the credibility of Islam in the first place. The OT can be seen as agreeing with Quran if you ignore certain dynamics, for one, the idea of substituionary sacrifice was instilled in the OT dialogue early on and it is this theme that Jesus brings out in his ministry. One must be careful not to miss this point and it is on points like this that Islam is either qualified or disqualified.
well, Muslims still sacrifice sheep on Eid, we just did a couple of days ago :) But then the meat is distributed to the poor, it has practical implication.
Besides, the OT makes it clear that worshiping any other God is disbelief, and that God is one. Jews all believe that calling a human God is sacrilegious.
So why is it that for millenia it was "One God", worship no other, and God is supernatural. Then suddenly you get the trinity, and a God killed by his own creation?
Really Sean, one sidedness gets you nowhere. The prophet clearly forbade killing civilians, and the Muslims that do that today are just angered at you invading and killing Muslims. Two wrongs don't make a right, but its all geopolitical motivation.
I'd suggest you look up the Gallup polls on the Middle east to see actual statistics and surveys of Muslim views instead of presenting mere conjecture.
Finally, have you actually sat down and read the Quran?
We know by actual history that any infidel is fair game, because any infidel can be identified as an enemy to Islam.
Islam has a record of providing the impetus for dominating any land that it can. If it is believed America would be better off with Islamic law then it would reason that Muslims should seek those ends.
Wisdom of history tells me that the ideology of Islam should be removed from the face of the earth before it does likewise to freedom.
Well Sean, I am not sure what history you have been reading. Those who fight Islam and wish to hurt the Muslims are to be fought, not just any nonMuslim. And even then, no civilian targets, no needless destruction. I recommend you check verse 60:8 It explains this concept.
You read the Quran coming from your very Christian background in order to refute it, not to assess it.
In any case, hoping to "remove" the religion of 22% of the world makes you the enemy of freedom.
Wow, u are the definition of a typical, paranoid, close-minded American. I can see the hate and fear in your eyes. You my rural friend are not intelligent enough to debate such issues. Your lot (the stupid) is prone to generalizations and cherry picking. I sincerely suggest you leave the debating to people with the ability to make distinctions and stop feeding yourself with propaganda before you run your pick-up into a mosque and kill people who have contributed more to this society than u have.
No, just a reasonable person who is not fooled into accepting the kind of thing the Jews are willing to put up with in Israel, a mall blows up every now and then, sidewalk cafes get blown up every now and then, a Jewish worship service gets blown up every now and then, no big deal, just learn to live with it. Give them the Gaza, they turn it into hell, just learn to live with it, after all you don't want someone accusing you of being closed-minded, no you would rather risk the lives of children.
what about the children of Palestine, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq? they don't count as humans to you, do they? keep listening to one side of the story and you will never see the true picture. Kill us, invade us and call us terrorists when we don't even have a gun to defend ourselves.
God is always watching and he knows who is the real terrorist.
You have your choice and we have our. We choose the life after and you choose this one. We choose to submit to Allah, its our freedom to choose our faith, isn't it?
Yes you have the choice, however you should not have the choice in the context of a free society, because there Islam conflicts. You can not have sharia & freedom.
What do you mean by freedom? words have meaning. Listen, we Muslims submit our will to Allah. And Sharia is just the Law of Islam. I am sure that every society needs a law. We choose Allah's law, and you nailed it to the cross. You now have a man made law. You think you have freedom?? your funny.
I mean by freedom: an environment where Sharia can be questioned, where Sharia can be challenged, where Sharia can be opposed, where there's no possibility of the following:
A government official in Saudi Arabia cut out his daughters tongue and burned her to death after learning she had become a follower of Jesus Christ. The man, who was not named in the news report, works for the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a government agency that enforces religious purity.
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"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians and whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (Qur'an 2:62).
keyanmikejones 6 months ago
"Education" attained from studying SEVEN YT videos tapes of no more than TEN MINUTES duration of each- the whole seventy minutes of commentary- sounds almost a life time!
"take no juws christians as your friends in Al Maeda? because of the treacherous dealings!
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Paul, dosent want free & critical inquiry or fear of exposure colossians.2:8
mawnyz1 1 year ago
"Al Madai"? You want to criticize Dr. Badawi, and claim you have "studied" the Qur'an, but can't even spell the name of ONE chapter correctly?
FYI: The Qur'an is NOT the anti-islamic websites. It's a book. Read it.
BTW: It's "Al-Ma'idah".
skajkingdom 1 year ago
If you really watched and understood Dr.Badawi's lecture, you would not blame the failures of men on Islam.
It's ironic that your interpretation of Islam, which is a bad interpretation btw, is the same as the very people (from the islamic societies you're talking about) you despise. Peace out anyway.
RedFaris 1 year ago
sorry Sean, but you didn't listen to Dr. Jamal Badawi with an open mind at all, you have already " studied " the Quran according to your sources. and again Sean your reply to the video is the farthest from educated, because it is based on your own opinion that is based on a previous " study " of the Quran, with no references. With all the misinformation in the media about Islam and muslims, the bitter fact is ISLAM is the most growing religion in the world and no one can hide the sun
soccerboy1977 2 years ago 4
@soccerboy1977 I would not deny the growth of Islam, this is why Jesus said that there are many people on the road to destruction.
seanmPWH 1 year ago
history of islam does not start at 20 century....
Any nation and any empire has his low side and up side.
Just to correct you, europa was the bloodiest place on earth in 20 century.....
jihhn 2 years ago
you're so full of hatred you can't even breath. "my arabic is so poor!" yet you take the liberty to criticize and trash a book written in Arabic! how ironic, complete non sense!!
dagreenstar 2 years ago
seanm
if the truth about islam religion of peace and submition does not please u,search the extremist version of malpractice on other sites among ignorant and brainwashed people...usually people alike find their rest with people alike...good luck with that poor you...
cymonette 2 years ago
seanm
how sad...u've been watching these 7 parts of the lecture and still so sarcastic?
my advice to u...a total body and mind detox...and Allah's guidance...
cymonette 2 years ago
Salam.
I think you have missed the whole point of Dr. Badawi' s presentation.
He is indeed speaking about the "naked" teachings that can be found in the Qur' an or the Hadith, and he is also considering the historical context or even the context within certain passages of the Qur'an.
He is not talking about the way how certain actions of special groups within the Islamic community may be justified by cut-and-paste-methods that are being used by the same groups.
He is rather clarifying!
Thank u!
Fontanimus 2 years ago
people like to interpret towards their understanding which shows ur hate blatantly
ah05075 2 years ago
it is not only muhammad pbuh who think the tora and gospel are twisted, it is even in your bible, the bible says that and it is in ger 8:8, alright, so you laugh at us, the laugh is at you, one more thing not only the bible and Muhammad peace be upon him and blessings who thinks the tora was twisted and the gospel aswell, even your fifty scolars backed by 32 churches admit that fact, you need to watch some videos of debates between muslims and christians, such as ahmad deedat and shabeer ally.
wisdomuser 2 years ago
the ignorants are you who stay out of islam, don't you know only educated highly very important and good people who accept islam?, i name them for you, Dr keith moor, Dr moris botaekh, Yusuf Estes, Cat Stevens, and the list is too long never ends.
wisdomuser 2 years ago
Ignorant Senmwh!!!!!!!!!
Islam was 800 in Spain
Islam was 400 in Italy
Islam was 1000 in india
Moslems brought you SCIENCE!!!!!!
almao2006 2 years ago
quote from last semon of the prophet Muhammad(pbuh): All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
gokilex 2 years ago
Why do you want a church outside the compound? Same as in Canada I never heard the call for prayer, why should you hear bells in Saudi? You have to be fair with us too.
Please don't lie about wearing the cross, I have seen many Philippine's in Saudi wearing gangster huge crosses.
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
I would like to see churches everywhere, including Saudi. I would think that as a good Muslim you would want to see Mosques everywhere.
However I would only what to see churches where they would be established in a context of non-coercion. The problem with the idea of Islam everywhere, it often comes with coercion. I think it's wise for freedom loving people to prevent Islam a chance of even taking root in the first place.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
You are so right brother.
I cannot imagine if ISLAM is dominating the world. Just look at Saudi Arabia there, where non-muslim is not existed there not one....
Really Islam is the racist and violated all the human right to exist....doomed with it
maxitopas 3 years ago
what?? i am from Saudi and there is Hindus and Egyptian Coptic Christians working in Saudi for years, not to mention that we have Americans and Canadians there too working in ARAMCO. WE HAVE an American Army in our country since the Gulf war in our country. I am living in Alberta Canada because my dad's friend who is Albertan thought that I would like it.
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
Is there any churches exist there my friend?
Can Christian or other religion profess their faith outside their comfort compound, you tell me. I have a relative who been to saudi too, he told me, even only wearing a cross, you got caught. Give me break buddy....
maxitopas 3 years ago
We're talking about converting Muslims to other faiths - is this tolerated in SA?
seanmPWH 3 years ago
umm? go read the comments up there. I don't think thats what he meant.
You think that we should invite people to convert us?? thats so funny that you suggest that. O.K I am a Muslim from Saudi Arabia, take your chance. Let us see, invite me.
Salam
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
Allowing people to convert to which ever religion that they wish, is what freedom of religion means. We are in a free Western nation, it's permitted here. But in SA:
Guilty for converting to Christianity, a young Saudi woman was set alight by her father, who first had cut her tongue. reported by the United Arab Emirates (UAE)s daily Gulf Newsthe. The woman had added also the insult of the written word, by writing articles with Christian-religious content on blogs and regional websites.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
so does that mean islam preaches that?
saudi arabia isnt even liked with most muslim countries
PrincesssS213 2 years ago
Moses (PBUH)said oh Israel, are Lord is one.
Jesus (PBUH)said oh Israel, are Lord is one.
Paul said forget the law, we have a new lord now.
Muhammad (PBUH) said are Lord is one.
what do you think?
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
People have tried to drive a wedge between Paul and Jesus, but it can't be justified in light of such passages like these:
Jesus - "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins". (Matthew 26:28)
Paul - "In Jesus we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace" (Ephesians 1:7)
seanmPWH 3 years ago
Well Sean, Interpret verses as you wish to interpret them. I could say the same about Christianity, which in fact has a far more violent history (including massacring civilians and breaking treaties), as well as a far more violent book.
At the end of the day, I ask to question your belief, not just blindly follow what your parents were. The Bible you have today has been modified drastically. No 2 ancient manuscripts are the same, as Chrisitan Bible Scholars say.
By the way, 100 - 22 is 78% :)
Tomar17 3 years ago
It's not the relative violence that concerns me at this point in history it's the violence of sharia that concerns me.
The ancient manuscripts consistently present Jesus as son of God.
At the end of the day, we all should want to know the truth, and we all should question our beliefs, this I have done and continue to do. I find that the biblical record can live up to any scrutiny.
I would think that you would be concerned about the fact that the Qur'an contradicts all previous revelations.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
Sean, the Quran only contradicts the church's understanding of the NT. But clearly it is closer to the OT where God is purely one, no trinity, and prophets are purely human.
The NT is the contradiction, after all the "one GOD worship noone else" suddenly we see God has a son, who is himself God, becomes man, in a confusing trinity
Sharia is less strict than OT laws, which you believe to be from God.
I suggest you look into a book by Bart Ehrman "Misquoting Jesus"
Peace
Tomar17 3 years ago 2
Quran contradicts OT: the selection of Isaac over Ishmael; the advancement of a substitutionary blood sacrifice for sins (Genesis 3:21, Isaiah 53); David's psalm and proverb referring to the Son of God (Psalm 2, Proverbs 34) just to name a few.
I agree Sharia is less strict than OT laws, the important differences are OT law for Jews only. Sharia is for all who come under said jurisdiction, if it's the law of SA then all in SA are subject.
Bart Ehrman: (see my video Teaching Company Errors)
seanmPWH 3 years ago
sean, Quran disagrees with OT on many details, but the basic theology is very similar, One God, Worship him with no partners. That is why Islamic and Jewish view of God are similar. But then suddenly God reveals his triune nature ?
Even if OT laws are only for Jews, you believe that God can give such laws and order their implementation, and that it would be sinful to leave them in that case. Then in principle, you agree Sharia Law is a logical consequence of believing in Islam.
Tomar17 3 years ago
Assalamo, I do agree that Sharia Law is a logical consequence of believing in Islam. But I have a problem with the credibility of Islam in the first place. The OT can be seen as agreeing with Quran if you ignore certain dynamics, for one, the idea of substituionary sacrifice was instilled in the OT dialogue early on and it is this theme that Jesus brings out in his ministry. One must be careful not to miss this point and it is on points like this that Islam is either qualified or disqualified.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
Hi Sean,
well, Muslims still sacrifice sheep on Eid, we just did a couple of days ago :) But then the meat is distributed to the poor, it has practical implication.
Besides, the OT makes it clear that worshiping any other God is disbelief, and that God is one. Jews all believe that calling a human God is sacrilegious.
So why is it that for millenia it was "One God", worship no other, and God is supernatural. Then suddenly you get the trinity, and a God killed by his own creation?
Tomar17 3 years ago
Really Sean, one sidedness gets you nowhere. The prophet clearly forbade killing civilians, and the Muslims that do that today are just angered at you invading and killing Muslims. Two wrongs don't make a right, but its all geopolitical motivation.
I'd suggest you look up the Gallup polls on the Middle east to see actual statistics and surveys of Muslim views instead of presenting mere conjecture.
Finally, have you actually sat down and read the Quran?
Tomar17 3 years ago
3 times & am now reading it through again.
We know by actual history that any infidel is fair game, because any infidel can be identified as an enemy to Islam.
Islam has a record of providing the impetus for dominating any land that it can. If it is believed America would be better off with Islamic law then it would reason that Muslims should seek those ends.
Wisdom of history tells me that the ideology of Islam should be removed from the face of the earth before it does likewise to freedom.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
Well Sean, I am not sure what history you have been reading. Those who fight Islam and wish to hurt the Muslims are to be fought, not just any nonMuslim. And even then, no civilian targets, no needless destruction. I recommend you check verse 60:8 It explains this concept.
You read the Quran coming from your very Christian background in order to refute it, not to assess it.
In any case, hoping to "remove" the religion of 22% of the world makes you the enemy of freedom.
Tomar17 3 years ago
60:8 in context of the Makkah invasion, in effect says that if Muslims are invading a land, don't kill those who are not showing resistance.
If the religion of 22% is removed then that will mean the other 78% will not be threatened.
The 22% whishes to become 100% by way of demographics, peaceful conversions, and eventually hostilities.
It just so happens that when the Islamic population reaches a certain point, the calls for sharia are soon to follow. This is the enemy of freedom.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
Wow, u are the definition of a typical, paranoid, close-minded American. I can see the hate and fear in your eyes. You my rural friend are not intelligent enough to debate such issues. Your lot (the stupid) is prone to generalizations and cherry picking. I sincerely suggest you leave the debating to people with the ability to make distinctions and stop feeding yourself with propaganda before you run your pick-up into a mosque and kill people who have contributed more to this society than u have.
JewLovesAllah 3 years ago
No, just a reasonable person who is not fooled into accepting the kind of thing the Jews are willing to put up with in Israel, a mall blows up every now and then, sidewalk cafes get blown up every now and then, a Jewish worship service gets blown up every now and then, no big deal, just learn to live with it. Give them the Gaza, they turn it into hell, just learn to live with it, after all you don't want someone accusing you of being closed-minded, no you would rather risk the lives of children.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
what about the children of Palestine, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq? they don't count as humans to you, do they? keep listening to one side of the story and you will never see the true picture. Kill us, invade us and call us terrorists when we don't even have a gun to defend ourselves.
God is always watching and he knows who is the real terrorist.
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
Every body counts as humans to me. I just think humans should not practice Islam.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
You have your choice and we have our. We choose the life after and you choose this one. We choose to submit to Allah, its our freedom to choose our faith, isn't it?
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
Yes you have the choice, however you should not have the choice in the context of a free society, because there Islam conflicts. You can not have sharia & freedom.
seanmPWH 3 years ago
What do you mean by freedom? words have meaning. Listen, we Muslims submit our will to Allah. And Sharia is just the Law of Islam. I am sure that every society needs a law. We choose Allah's law, and you nailed it to the cross. You now have a man made law. You think you have freedom?? your funny.
TariqDreamer 3 years ago
I mean by freedom: an environment where Sharia can be questioned, where Sharia can be challenged, where Sharia can be opposed, where there's no possibility of the following:
A government official in Saudi Arabia cut out his daughters tongue and burned her to death after learning she had become a follower of Jesus Christ. The man, who was not named in the news report, works for the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a government agency that enforces religious purity.
seanmPWH 3 years ago