каждый раз мурашки по коже от этой сцены. "Я принадлежу тебе целиком, так, как ни одна собака никогда не любила своего хозяина" и тут он впервые назвает Фролло по имени. словно говорит с ним на равных. и его последнее: Фролло...!! черт.
in the book Quasimodo's last words were : ''all i ever loved'' while he was watching esmeralda being hanged and frollo dying....it was an of the most touching quotes i've ever seen...... i really love him!
@HappySlipazn Well in the original story, Quasimodo throws him off the cathedral tower and he tumbles down onto some of the buildings below until he finally lands on the ground.
@HappySlipazn Well prior to that, Frollo was laughing as Esmeralda was writhing in her death throes on the hangman's noose and mocking her - that's when Quasimodo realized Frollo was responsible for her death and he took revenge on Frollo.
Frollo is not the good guy but he is tragic, tortured, almost mad monster, especially in the book where he can´t stand Esmeralda´s pain and stabs himself when she is tortured and tries to save Esmeralda by dragging her out of the death-cell. Unfortunately Esmeralda does not understand what foul creature Phoebus is and she´s ready to die rather than pretend to go with a man who stabbed Phoebus.
If he loves her than why is he laughing at her death
i mean like if you loved someone enough that you threatend them with death would you be laughing at it waching you love die !!!!! Not even the one from 1982 ( hunchback of notre dame ) had that much courege he left befor quasimodo saved her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@obssesivelove19 That's not love, that's lust. In fact, the book shows he lusted after her and his obsession with alchemy and his duty to the Catholic church compounded it. It was he who tried to murder Phoebus and framed her for it. He's a bad character and got what he deserved.
ohh, was that it?? i expected more from esmeralda's death ... i saw the dutch version saterday (since i'm from belgium) and our esmeralda died more dramatic xD
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this musical try's to hard to be like Les Miserables (sorry) but it's still wonderful very underated and by far one of the best musicals up there (not the best or secondo r third but still one of the best)
Does anyone know if they used a dumby for Esmeralda? Or did they have some interesting stage trick to make it look like she was being hanged...if I missed something obvious then just tell me I fail..
i think that there is a harness under her dress which they attach the cable behind her neck but theres nothing attached around her neck just a dummy rope tolook like a noose. im only guessing tho. I saw something similar on the phantom of the opera extras when filming buquets death.xxxx
My school is doing a comedy version of Phantom, and I'm Josephine, the stage hand Eric kills. We're using a harness. That's pretty much all it . I think you're right, the angle she's hanging at suggest a harness.
From the looks of it the noose wasnt very tight so they just pulled her up on, I assume the same kind of wires they'd have on Quasimodo, pull her up and she'd just hang limp. Well I'm no professional but that's what I assume they did
@musicalsterinspe Don't worry your english is alright. Frollo becomes mad when Esmeralda died. And if you pay attention, Phoebus is the one who kill Clopin and Esmeralda and he doesn't about what he did. Even if Frollo helps him, Frollo is less worse than Phoebus.
In the book Quasimodo have a dog intelligence...He doesn't understand why Frollo did that, he just sees than Frollo kill the girl he loves!!! And it's to make story more horrible cause Clopin, Frollo, Esmeralda and Quasimodo died and Phoebus who is the only one who desserved death survived so it's just not a "Happy End"....And it's just too sad(Hugo did it deliberately) Sorry for my bad english
He doesn't just fall by chance; Quasimodo throws him down the tower and kills him because Frollo had Esmeralda executed, and he loved her.
I can see how the staging may seem a little unclear because all you see is him falling down the stairs, but it is meant to seem as though Quasi threw him down.
I finished the book too, and this makes a lot more sense too, because in the book he falls over a railing, and Quasi lets him die because Frollo told Quasi that he brought Esmeralda to the gallow... :P Thanks (:
That's not true - after telling Quasimodo that Esmeralda is dead, he begins to laugh like a homicidal maniac and then Quasimodo realizes his intentions and then throws him from the roof.
No, I do not think so. Frollo DID NOT say anything to Quasimodo. Here is the plot.
Quasimodo arrives to the balcony, and meets Frollo there. He see's that Frollo is watching something. He looks from Frollo's view, and see's a girl in the white dress taken to the scaffolds. He realizes its Esmeralda. In horror, he watches her hang, and Frollo's unheard laugh. Angerily, Quasimodo throws Frollo of the balcony.
Also note that Quasimodo did have the chance to save Frollo - he was hanging from one of the Gargoyles for a few seconds begging for Quasimodo to help him up, but loses his grip and falls to his death upon the unforgiving steps of Notre Dame.
Yes, I remember that. But I do not think he wanted to help Frollo after he see's Esmeralda hanging. Only after Frollo dies, he realizes what he done wrong.
Non lo so, Lavoie mi da l'impressione di non essere molto convinto di quello che sta facendo in questa scena, dovrebbe essere completamente folle (è la scena più drammatica della storia), invece mi sembra quasi imbarazzato, non trovate
Lavoie doesn't seem very sure of what he's doing in this scene, I mean, he should be completely mad now (it's the most dramatic moment of the story), but he seems almost...awkward, don't you think?
Il Frollo francese sembra più diviso ed insicuro in effetti. E' come se si tirasse indietro e nello stesso tempo fosse attratto dal baratro. E' più timido. Questo è un carattere che il Frollo italiano non ha. Ma le sfumature sono tante.. Tutto dipende da un lato dalla regia e dall'altro dalla traduzione e adattamento metrico nelle varie lingue.
I believe if Quasimodo had not been deaf, he would have never killed the masses underneath Notre Dame (he mistakenly thought they were people coming to take Esmeralda to be hanged) nor helped the soldiers who later "restored order" (they were actually coming to arrest Esmeralda to be hanged). Also (not to give away spoilers) another reason was that when Claude Frollo adopted Quasimodo he didn't speak French, not just baby gibberish either. But he was intelligent.
yes I know he was intellegent I never said he wasn't I know he thought in his view that he had to kill Frollo it was on the dot thinking and Frollo had helped to kill the only woman who ever loved Quasimodo (well not loved was kind to Quasimodo I TAKE BACK the loved thing) I agree if he wasn't def then he wouldn't have attacked the Gypsies under Notre dame that's very clear he had very good intentions they where just misunderstood
Oh sorry for my last comment (burundukas...Yes where I insulted you as a jerk was to you). I sometimes by accident write random words in (didnt want to insult you). But you have to know how to reply. Whenever you reply to people, go to the right, the word "reply" is there. Click on it, and you have it.
"danse mon esméralda" as one whole big finale insted of sperate songs then Esméralda only sings in the first half of the big finale (L'attaqe de Notre dame) isn't that interseting that she dosen't really have that much lines in it Quasimodo has the most then Phoebus then Frollo or is it Frollo then Phoebus?
Its Longman. Why do people keep mistaking my name for "Ignoman"! I just dont get it -_- Is it because the "L" at the begining looks like an "I" I dont think so...
it's as dramatic as they could make it and remeber it's on a stage so their just working with the space and time that they have and besides it's like this in the novel
Yeah, the whole ending is of the novel is very abrupt. In the blink of an eye she's been hanged, Quasimodo has thrown Frollo off the top of Notre Dame, and it's over.
and what they make Garou do is not exactly safe haning onto a wall with one hand untill the part of the song where he jumps over to the step where Claude is
ok not for Quasimodo because he needs to sing while holding the wall so they would have to find a stunt guy who could sing to but for Louvire when he's been killed.
look it's just my view the song is good anyway really like it's dark and slow music
Garou's been tortured in this musical lol. He had to be hunched over for 2 hours, and he was rolled out on a wheel and then his costume was so hot that he almost fainted at one point. But it made him feel the role better, so i think there's a positive side to all that torture.
Oh I see lol. I have an idea, ask your Mother if she can teach you the Russian alphabet. Well...At least it isnt as difficult as some Asiatic languages such as Cantonese XD
God i should stop leaving thees crappy and pointless comments on Notre dame but seirously this musical rocks!
i just wonder was it painful for Daniel Louvire to fall down a stairs in this song?
Don't answer that it was a joke but he must have been wearing padding or something under the priest robe or else they used speical effects or a stunt actor
i can understand why Quasimodo killed Claude in the end i mean he had killed the only woman who ever showed any kindess to him (Quasimodo) but at the same time i feel sorry for Frollo because i think Esméralda led him on a bit (espially in the novel)
I disagree. Frollo got what he deserved in the end. He had Quasimodo try to kidnap Esmeralda for him and then he stood by and did nothing while he took the blame for that crime. He claimed to be a man of God and yet he practiced alchemy (which was akin to withcraft and sorcery - which is ironic considering he said Esmeralda was a witch) And then he stabbed Phoebus and was apart of the committee that tried Esmeralda and had her falsely condemned to death.
well I intruprut it that Frollo did want to get her "out of Paris" when he rescued her from Notre dame with Gringore but at the last minute his lust got the better of him and he started treatning her with his bed or the hangman
Well he got what he deserved in a way (from Quasimodo's point of view) but it's not a black and white situation Frollo is expected as a priest to keep women at a distance this has always been my problem with the catholic church they forget their priests are "human" and lust and love can not be stamped out of their feelings Hugo was making this statemeant by saying that if you keep your feelings "bottled up" then you'd eventually explode
I don't think it was quite that line of interpretation either. At the time the novel was written, and I'm sorry if this does inflame anyone, Victor Hugo had mixed feelings about the Catholic religion. In his early years, he believed it was a respectable and true institution, but over time, in his research, he came to see and then expose it for its inner treachery and corruption that it always had. Frollo was an example of this, although not as severe an example as his work "The Pope".
well yes but actually at the time Hugo wrote the novel he believed in God but just did not like the church itself...But I think he was using Frollo as a victim of the church in a way remember when Frollo is running through Paris after he thinks Esméralda is dead? Hugo says "he thought of the vanity of chastidy." and the "insanity of God."
(I think I misquoted the latter quote but it's nearly right.)That all leads up to that Frollo was losing fatih in the church because of the feelings
he could not keep down oh and he wasn't one of the judges who trialed Esméralda like you said he was presant at the courtroom but he remained in hiding to watch the trial...oh and Phoebus did commit murder in a way he could have testafied that Esméralda was innocent and yet he just let her go to the hangman so although he didn't know it he helped to kill her
Well, I do agree with you here, regarding Phoebus. And he was there with Fleur de Lys as she was being lead to the gibbet and Esmeralda could clearly see him, so I would assume he could clearly see her. But indeed, both he and Frollo were the so called villians of the story, that is unless if you count Clopin (purely based on his barbaric principles and for almost murdering Gringoire - but that's another discussion altogether).
No, Frollo was a regular innoecnt priest who ended up dead upon his wheel, ecpecially when he fell in love with that Gypsy girl, who put him into a trance.
Never heard that saying before but I see your pint I don't think he was innocent I mean he did try to rape Esméralda it's just he wasn't a "villian" like "EmilyGreene1984" was saying he's more "anti-hero" material
I don't meen to boss you about but don't use the word "anti-hero" without knowing it's meaning "anti-heros" are characters who have one BIG flaw in them (Frollo's lust)
but at the end of the day they are still slightly sympathetic and even heroic sometimes Phoebus is neither sympatheic or heroic and he is a chavuanistic showoff so there for he's more of an "antagonist" then an "anti-hero"
I've seen other's who really don't know what an anti-hero is it's kind of the profile of a character male or female who's in between "hero" and "villian" who attribute's both sides of the coin (aspects of a hero and villian)Quasimodo could be called an anti-hero if you wanted to get tecnical I mean he try's to kiddnap Esméralda and he does attack Robin Puscpain at Gringore's play and he kills Jehan Frollo and Frollo
no I'm pretty sure he wasn't meantally disabled I mean he was aware of his deformaty and he seemd to have the general human intellegence (which sometimes isn't much I have to admit)
We humans are just so cruel. The world is a cruel place. War does not cost anything but lives, not just any lives, but lives of innocent people who dont deserve it.
I think Quasimodo felt that he had to avenge Esmeralda's murder (which she was) and when he realized that it was his former mentor, Frollo, had a hand in her death (which he did) - he decided to bring about his own brand of justice. No, Quasimodo in the novel was intelligent and very self-aware of himself - the only thing was that he became deaf at a young age (at the time all these events with him and Esmeralda took place when he was 20 years old), so it hindered him greatly.
actually come to think of it Quasimodo is the perfect example from NDDP to use for "anti-hero" because the things I've listed above or "negitive" aspects of his personality (and he's bitter)
but he also saves Esméralda from death goes to get Phoebus for her even though he's in love with her and it's braking his heart gives her his food and water in a basket and other "heroic" things for her (Hugo was brillant at creating complex people that's evident from his other works as well)
Frollo is the ultimate villain in the story, but in a rather tragic way...
He is rejected by the citizens of Paris because they believe he is a sorcerer, which is why he has empathy for Quasimodo and takes him in... But then when he sees Esmeralda, he is consumed by his lust for her and ultimately loses his sanity. Phoebus had a part to play too, but Frollo was the main antagonist (also keep in mind Frollo did attempt to kill Phoebus)
...? I don't get how he's not a villain lol. He gave her an ultimatum of sleeping with him or dying at the gallows, and he tried to rape her until Quasimodo intervened. He also attempted to kill Phoebus out of jealousy when he saw him with her. Esmeralda wants nothing to do with him.
I'd also like to point out that you contradicted yourself lol... first you said he's not a villain, then you say Esmeralda made him a villain...
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Well yes, thats just what I mean! He wasnt a villian before, until that Esmeralda turned him into one. And its not his fault that he handed her over, she made him do it.
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Thats it, are you done? Or would you like to continue (Mr I like to find arguments with people) Yes I know your a different person, but if you want to get into an argument with me (shakes head) Dont even think about it. Shame on you.
@ClassicNovel Its not logic, its called opinion. Listen, lets not argue about this. Everybody has their own opinions. That is all I can say. Besides, she DID refuse him, she is the person who does not understand what is in the inside of the man.
You do not have to agree, but PLEASE end this feud!
@longman718 I know it's an opinion, but I was curious as to what it was based on.
And not to be rude, but I thought the feud WAS ended already. Our little exchange in the comment section was carried out almost a year ago, lol.
And, I'm not altogether innocent here either, but that post telling me to be ashamed of even considering disagreeing with you was a bit disrespectful. I'm not to blame for your arguments with others. I was asking for clarification. Fair enough?
Well there's another point! He killed him for a REASON, since he was under Esmeralda's spell. Besides, Phoebus is the main villian, Frollo is just a victim of cruelty (almost like Quasimodo).
And obviously, Esmeralda made him crazy enough to hand her over to Paquet (who later turns out to be her Mother).
If Esmeralda did not exist, then Frollo may not have been crazy and evil. Hope you agree with me.
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Esmeralda's beauty spell.
Please dont make that emoticion into my face, its rude (no offense, but it just shows that you are disrespectful, if you want to be shown normal, dont do it).
which is what happend to Frollo he spent so much time ignoring women that when he saw Esméralda his thoughts kind of exploded
I agree he went to far (e.g. trying to rape her) but he's human he's not a "saint" and he did try to save her from him (e.g. asking for all Gypsies - including Esméralda to be removed from the Paris square) as for the kiddnapping yes that was a big moral collaps but by that time he was already rapidly on the path to insanity
and the alchamy well lots of priests back then studied alchamy (of course away from the eyes of the church) and as for the stabbing of Phoebus well....Phoebus deserved that actually my fault with Frollo there is why the hell didn't he manage to kill him???
Insted of just wounding him can he not even aim a knife right? (Phoebus is the worst character in the novel I think and he's just as responsiable if not more so for Esméralda's hanging at the end)
Again, that is only a prime example of the corruption in the church - which is what Victor Hugo touched upon in his works. And as for Phoebus, I agree he was a pig and for him to try to compromise Esmeralda's morals just to have sex is rephrenisble. But I don't think he deserved to be killed. He may have been a leech, but he never did anything as excessive and barbaric as murder. In the end, you could call it poetic justice in that he married Fleur, who was equally superficial & spiteful as he.
каждый раз мурашки по коже от этой сцены. "Я принадлежу тебе целиком, так, как ни одна собака никогда не любила своего хозяина" и тут он впервые назвает Фролло по имени. словно говорит с ним на равных. и его последнее: Фролло...!! черт.
MrHern5 1 week ago in playlist NOTRE-DAME E PARIS
Magnificent!
Apiyecan 1 week ago
I think Phoebus AND Frollo are the villains, at least they are in my book.
YourOasis97 2 weeks ago
AHHH THE GIRL WAS ACTUALLY HANGED?????!!!!!
VietnameseGirl98 3 weeks ago
Soooo...Quasimodo killed Frollo!/? :O
yanira13 1 month ago
in the book Quasimodo's last words were : ''all i ever loved'' while he was watching esmeralda being hanged and frollo dying....it was an of the most touching quotes i've ever seen...... i really love him!
PortgasDL 1 month ago
"Regarde là-bas, le GILET l'attend"...hahahahaha! Ah non monsieur Frollo, c'est "GIBET" :) j'adore cette chanson!
SheIsTheAngryMob 11 months ago 2
@SheIsTheAngryMob Il a dit : Gibet !!!!
Loubna59 8 months ago
@Loubna59 j'entends 'gilet' moi... :S !?
SheIsTheAngryMob 8 months ago
I think I can safely say that is my favorite maniacal laugh ever.
sienasky 1 year ago 4
ooohhhhhh..... thanks for explaining :]
HappySlipazn 1 year ago
The maniacal cackle was faithfully reproduced in subtitles. xD
That said, I hate Frollo.
CinqueElfi 1 year ago 3
...Ohmigosh. Pheobus, you horrible rotten...*cough* scuse me. Poor Quasimodo, poor Esmeralda.
This reminds me alot of Les Miserables....especially the previous song. It's like the barricades.
lolkittehs34 1 year ago 26
@lolkittehs34 It *was* written by the same man, so I can see why. Hugo was amazing, no?
papiervampire 1 year ago 2
@papiervampire He certainly was.
lolkittehs34 1 year ago
the playbacks of Frollo falling down the stairs makes this even more epic O.O
HappySlipazn 1 year ago 2
@HappySlipazn Well in the original story, Quasimodo throws him off the cathedral tower and he tumbles down onto some of the buildings below until he finally lands on the ground.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago
@EmilyGreene1984 O___________O wow.
HappySlipazn 1 year ago
@HappySlipazn Well prior to that, Frollo was laughing as Esmeralda was writhing in her death throes on the hangman's noose and mocking her - that's when Quasimodo realized Frollo was responsible for her death and he took revenge on Frollo.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago
Frollo is not the good guy but he is tragic, tortured, almost mad monster, especially in the book where he can´t stand Esmeralda´s pain and stabs himself when she is tortured and tries to save Esmeralda by dragging her out of the death-cell. Unfortunately Esmeralda does not understand what foul creature Phoebus is and she´s ready to die rather than pretend to go with a man who stabbed Phoebus.
PlusSizeAngel 1 year ago 4
Great song, best cast and heartbreaking scene. Poor Esmeralda, murdered brutally by combined efforts of Frollo, Phoebus and Fleur-de-lys.
PlusSizeAngel 1 year ago 3
If he loves her than why is he laughing at her death
i mean like if you loved someone enough that you threatend them with death would you be laughing at it waching you love die !!!!! Not even the one from 1982 ( hunchback of notre dame ) had that much courege he left befor quasimodo saved her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obssesivelove19 1 year ago
@obssesivelove19
Yes indeed I do not understand
musicalsterinspe 1 year ago
@obssesivelove19 That's not love, that's lust. In fact, the book shows he lusted after her and his obsession with alchemy and his duty to the Catholic church compounded it. It was he who tried to murder Phoebus and framed her for it. He's a bad character and got what he deserved.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago
ohh, was that it?? i expected more from esmeralda's death ... i saw the dutch version saterday (since i'm from belgium) and our esmeralda died more dramatic xD
cupcakePRINCESSponyX 1 year ago
@cupcakePRINCESSponyX
ja idd Sandrine of Sasha wie heb je gezien ? was veel dramatischer
het was mooi he ?!!!!
musicalsterinspe 1 year ago
@musicalsterinspe wij hadden sandrine ^^
we had sandrine ^^
cupcakePRINCESSponyX 1 year ago
Quasimodo a l'air mais tellement en colère quand il cri: FROLLO
A part sa,cette comédie musical est la meilleur de toute =)
eoadguitarist 2 years ago 3
Exact ! :D
ChampSpinoza 1 year ago
1:29 0_0 haben sie die sängerin getötet???
IchBleibeDochTreu 2 years ago
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this musical try's to hard to be like Les Miserables (sorry) but it's still wonderful very underated and by far one of the best musicals up there (not the best or secondo r third but still one of the best)
Peadarisback 2 years ago
quello italiano è meglio ....
trebbina96 2 years ago
Does anyone know if they used a dumby for Esmeralda? Or did they have some interesting stage trick to make it look like she was being hanged...if I missed something obvious then just tell me I fail..
ErikismyAngel5 2 years ago
i think that there is a harness under her dress which they attach the cable behind her neck but theres nothing attached around her neck just a dummy rope tolook like a noose. im only guessing tho. I saw something similar on the phantom of the opera extras when filming buquets death.xxxx
christinedaae87 2 years ago
My school is doing a comedy version of Phantom, and I'm Josephine, the stage hand Eric kills. We're using a harness. That's pretty much all it . I think you're right, the angle she's hanging at suggest a harness.
GreyEyesCrying 2 years ago 3
From the looks of it the noose wasnt very tight so they just pulled her up on, I assume the same kind of wires they'd have on Quasimodo, pull her up and she'd just hang limp. Well I'm no professional but that's what I assume they did
braceyfaceanimegurl 2 years ago
@braceyfaceanimegurl Well I could have missed a trick, but I like your reasoning :)
ErikismyAngel5 2 years ago
I agree with you
Calypsogodness 2 years ago
Even if Frollo deserved dead, everyone can kill him, BUT EXCEPT QUASIMOLDO!!!!!!
What did Quasimoldo want??? They've already lost Esmeralda, and he want Frollo dead too, and then kill himself...
So everyone's dead, now he's satisfied????
joanne5160 2 years ago
Cause... it was a murder in affection?
opblitz87 2 years ago
yep...maybe...
joanne5160 2 years ago
Maybe it was, or maybe it wasn't???
opblitz87 2 years ago
I think Phoebus is worse than Frollo
Calypsogodness 2 years ago 133
me too~
joanne5160 2 years ago
@Calypsogodness
No Frollo is so creepy ,i mean he say ' s to Esmeralda i love you and later when she died he laughed !! He is .... bah !!!
ps :
I'm sorry but I do my best. You have to know that I do not get English in school but I'll try. :)
musicalsterinspe 1 year ago 2
@musicalsterinspe Don't worry your english is alright. Frollo becomes mad when Esmeralda died. And if you pay attention, Phoebus is the one who kill Clopin and Esmeralda and he doesn't about what he did. Even if Frollo helps him, Frollo is less worse than Phoebus.
Calypsogodness 1 year ago
@Calypsogodness sorry I mean Phoebus doesn't care about what he did
Calypsogodness 1 year ago
@Calypsogodness
yes actually if you look at it as
:)
musicalsterinspe 1 year ago
@Calypsogodness Pas vraiment d'accord.
PolimentxKaaro 1 year ago
@Calypsogodness that's because Frollo is insane, and Phoebus is a douchebag.
lauramitrea 3 months ago
In the book Quasimodo have a dog intelligence...He doesn't understand why Frollo did that, he just sees than Frollo kill the girl he loves!!! And it's to make story more horrible cause Clopin, Frollo, Esmeralda and Quasimodo died and Phoebus who is the only one who desserved death survived so it's just not a "Happy End"....And it's just too sad(Hugo did it deliberately) Sorry for my bad english
Calypsogodness 2 years ago 4
Phoebus got married as his punishment (Hugo said it was such)
Vikkoman 2 years ago 3
Is the book easy to read ?
ChampSpinoza 2 years ago
Do you mean the original Notre Dame de Paris?
That might depend on the translation
Vikkoman 2 years ago
it is, EXCEPT, Hugo has a tendence to ramble on about the scenery
Medusa0999 1 year ago
@Vikkoman yes, and it was the best punishment ever since he was so afraid of married life
lachicaoye 2 years ago
How could Quasimoldo do this?!!???
Please Remember: Frollo raised him up! FROLLO GAVE HIM LIFE !!!!! Frollo's like his FATHER!
yes, Frollo made some serious mistake, but he can't kill him!!! if your parents made some serious mistake, can u kill them??????
joanne5160 2 years ago 2
That son of a bitch he killed esmeralda!
lilkomi8 2 years ago 5
I HATE HOW SHE WAS HANGED! geeez~~!!!
catgirl1234 2 years ago
okay, so I don't get why Frollo falls down the stairs...
I'm reading the book, and I may not be at this part yet... Can someone explain please, without treating me like an idiot?
jessicaleigh14 2 years ago
He doesn't just fall by chance; Quasimodo throws him down the tower and kills him because Frollo had Esmeralda executed, and he loved her.
I can see how the staging may seem a little unclear because all you see is him falling down the stairs, but it is meant to seem as though Quasi threw him down.
lillypadx3 2 years ago 3
okay. lol
I finished the book too, and this makes a lot more sense too, because in the book he falls over a railing, and Quasi lets him die because Frollo told Quasi that he brought Esmeralda to the gallow... :P Thanks (:
jessicaleigh14 2 years ago 2
no problem (:
lillypadx3 2 years ago
No he does not tell anything to Quasimodo. He just watches her hang, and when Quasimodo realizes what he has done, he pushes him from the balcony.
longman718 2 years ago
That's not true - after telling Quasimodo that Esmeralda is dead, he begins to laugh like a homicidal maniac and then Quasimodo realizes his intentions and then throws him from the roof.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
No, I do not think so. Frollo DID NOT say anything to Quasimodo. Here is the plot.
Quasimodo arrives to the balcony, and meets Frollo there. He see's that Frollo is watching something. He looks from Frollo's view, and see's a girl in the white dress taken to the scaffolds. He realizes its Esmeralda. In horror, he watches her hang, and Frollo's unheard laugh. Angerily, Quasimodo throws Frollo of the balcony.
longman718 2 years ago
Also note that Quasimodo did have the chance to save Frollo - he was hanging from one of the Gargoyles for a few seconds begging for Quasimodo to help him up, but loses his grip and falls to his death upon the unforgiving steps of Notre Dame.
trollvoodoopriest 2 years ago
Yes, I remember that. But I do not think he wanted to help Frollo after he see's Esmeralda hanging. Only after Frollo dies, he realizes what he done wrong.
longman718 2 years ago
Non lo so, Lavoie mi da l'impressione di non essere molto convinto di quello che sta facendo in questa scena, dovrebbe essere completamente folle (è la scena più drammatica della storia), invece mi sembra quasi imbarazzato, non trovate
Lavoie doesn't seem very sure of what he's doing in this scene, I mean, he should be completely mad now (it's the most dramatic moment of the story), but he seems almost...awkward, don't you think?
It's just my opinion, of course
fidilio89 2 years ago
Il Frollo francese sembra più diviso ed insicuro in effetti. E' come se si tirasse indietro e nello stesso tempo fosse attratto dal baratro. E' più timido. Questo è un carattere che il Frollo italiano non ha. Ma le sfumature sono tante.. Tutto dipende da un lato dalla regia e dall'altro dalla traduzione e adattamento metrico nelle varie lingue.
cirusinfabula 2 years ago
Scène terrible
seyha2478 3 years ago 2
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo non ci siamo loro sono bravi ma non come gli italiani
angy2810 3 years ago
Can someone speed up Frollo falling down the stairs and add Benny Hill music?
Waterlilycat 3 years ago
Lol, open up two internet exsplores. One explorer will be this video, and one will be that Benny Hill video. When you tryed it tell me!
longman718 3 years ago
I did; It was amusing.
Waterlilycat 3 years ago
Loool good idea xD
ownedzzlyy 3 years ago
I believe if Quasimodo had not been deaf, he would have never killed the masses underneath Notre Dame (he mistakenly thought they were people coming to take Esmeralda to be hanged) nor helped the soldiers who later "restored order" (they were actually coming to arrest Esmeralda to be hanged). Also (not to give away spoilers) another reason was that when Claude Frollo adopted Quasimodo he didn't speak French, not just baby gibberish either. But he was intelligent.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
yes I know he was intellegent I never said he wasn't I know he thought in his view that he had to kill Frollo it was on the dot thinking and Frollo had helped to kill the only woman who ever loved Quasimodo (well not loved was kind to Quasimodo I TAKE BACK the loved thing) I agree if he wasn't def then he wouldn't have attacked the Gypsies under Notre dame that's very clear he had very good intentions they where just misunderstood
donfrollo2 3 years ago
I was trying to address longman.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
why did I get your message in my inbox then?
donfrollo2 3 years ago
What did you need to say to me? You cant adress me, I have my inbox for friends only (due to some random jerks who insult me, I set it that way).
longman718 3 years ago
Its interesting how everything turned at that point.
longman718 3 years ago
Longman, he is havent any choises... Hes love was stronger than his soul
burundukas999 3 years ago
Learn how to reply please! Jerk!
longman718 3 years ago
Oh sorry for my last comment (burundukas...Yes where I insulted you as a jerk was to you). I sometimes by accident write random words in (didnt want to insult you). But you have to know how to reply. Whenever you reply to people, go to the right, the word "reply" is there. Click on it, and you have it.
longman718 3 years ago
that was amazing !!!!
emadsayyah5 3 years ago
you know if you count the songs
"l'atteque de Notre dame" "Deportés"
"Mon Matrie MOn savouir" "danz la moi"
"danse mon esméralda" as one whole big finale insted of sperate songs then Esméralda only sings in the first half of the big finale (L'attaqe de Notre dame) isn't that interseting that she dosen't really have that much lines in it Quasimodo has the most then Phoebus then Frollo or is it Frollo then Phoebus?
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Its "Donnez le moi" -_-
longman718 3 years ago
oh sorry.....Typing error!
donfrollo2 3 years ago
lol to be right it's "donnez LA moi" lol sorry iongman
Lysiam 3 years ago
Its Longman. Why do people keep mistaking my name for "Ignoman"! I just dont get it -_- Is it because the "L" at the begining looks like an "I" I dont think so...
longman718 3 years ago
lol sorry
Lysiam 3 years ago
Its alright. People make mistakes.
longman718 3 years ago
Il frollo francese ha davvero l'espessività di un muro!
Questa scena dovrebbe essere molto emotiva, e lui la recita come stesse ordinando il cappuccino al bar!
Vittorio Matteucci sei il meglio, altro che questo qui!!
bea2312 3 years ago
Daniel Lavoie joue très bien son role. Avec ses yeux de damnés... Brrrr ca me donne des frissons...
Temari28Malfoy 3 years ago 4
Finally, a French comment :)
longman718 3 years ago
yeah,I agree
ellxandra 3 years ago
lol, i dunno about anyone else, but i think they could've made esmeralda's death a teensy bit more dramatic.
CherryBlossom62442 3 years ago
How would they do that?
longman718 3 years ago
as longman718 said how could they do that
it's as dramatic as they could make it and remeber it's on a stage so their just working with the space and time that they have and besides it's like this in the novel
donfrollo2 3 years ago
lol i guess you're right. still, i was kinda disappointed.
CherryBlossom62442 3 years ago
Yep, I agree with that.
longman718 3 years ago
Yeah, the whole ending is of the novel is very abrupt. In the blink of an eye she's been hanged, Quasimodo has thrown Frollo off the top of Notre Dame, and it's over.
eptrumpeteer 3 years ago
By the way, she was hung, there is nothing dramatic about that. She just got hung, and thats it. Nothing dramatic.
longman718 3 years ago
and what they make Garou do is not exactly safe haning onto a wall with one hand untill the part of the song where he jumps over to the step where Claude is
wow the director could have managed that better!
donfrollo2 3 years ago
How could he have done it better?
longman718 3 years ago
well he could have had them wearing padding
or at least have stunt actors
ok not for Quasimodo because he needs to sing while holding the wall so they would have to find a stunt guy who could sing to but for Louvire when he's been killed.
look it's just my view the song is good anyway really like it's dark and slow music
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Well he is wearing a harness... I think that's safe enough.
eptrumpeteer 3 years ago
Garou's been tortured in this musical lol. He had to be hunched over for 2 hours, and he was rolled out on a wheel and then his costume was so hot that he almost fainted at one point. But it made him feel the role better, so i think there's a positive side to all that torture.
pssst78 3 years ago 59
Ouch! You are certaintly correct, after the musical, he must have been so happy to be risen up again, that he said "Aaaah fresh air!" Lol
By the way, are you a Russian Canadian. If you are, you may reply to me in Russian.
longman718 3 years ago 2
I knoow lol, poor guy.
Well, I came to Canada when i was five, and while I can understand Russian to some extent, i've difficulty writing it lol.
pssst78 3 years ago
Oh I see lol. I have an idea, ask your Mother if she can teach you the Russian alphabet. Well...At least it isnt as difficult as some Asiatic languages such as Cantonese XD
longman718 3 years ago
(Esmeralda at the gallows) Going up! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH *dies*.
longman718 3 years ago
God i should stop leaving thees crappy and pointless comments on Notre dame but seirously this musical rocks!
i just wonder was it painful for Daniel Louvire to fall down a stairs in this song?
Don't answer that it was a joke but he must have been wearing padding or something under the priest robe or else they used speical effects or a stunt actor
donfrollo2 3 years ago
thank you Iongman718
your the second person to respond to one of my messages on Youtube sense Youtube only let me leave messages two days ago for the first time
donfrollo2 3 years ago
i can understand why Quasimodo killed Claude in the end i mean he had killed the only woman who ever showed any kindess to him (Quasimodo) but at the same time i feel sorry for Frollo because i think Esméralda led him on a bit (espially in the novel)
and knew she was killing him inside
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Yes! Alas finally someone understands thesame as I do. I am proud of you DonFrollo!
longman718 3 years ago
I disagree. Frollo got what he deserved in the end. He had Quasimodo try to kidnap Esmeralda for him and then he stood by and did nothing while he took the blame for that crime. He claimed to be a man of God and yet he practiced alchemy (which was akin to withcraft and sorcery - which is ironic considering he said Esmeralda was a witch) And then he stabbed Phoebus and was apart of the committee that tried Esmeralda and had her falsely condemned to death.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
If Frollo had truly loved Esmeralda, he would have either let her go or tried to protect her and get her out of Paris in the end. But he didn't.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
well I intruprut it that Frollo did want to get her "out of Paris" when he rescued her from Notre dame with Gringore but at the last minute his lust got the better of him and he started treatning her with his bed or the hangman
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Well he got what he deserved in a way (from Quasimodo's point of view) but it's not a black and white situation Frollo is expected as a priest to keep women at a distance this has always been my problem with the catholic church they forget their priests are "human" and lust and love can not be stamped out of their feelings Hugo was making this statemeant by saying that if you keep your feelings "bottled up" then you'd eventually explode
donfrollo2 3 years ago
I don't think it was quite that line of interpretation either. At the time the novel was written, and I'm sorry if this does inflame anyone, Victor Hugo had mixed feelings about the Catholic religion. In his early years, he believed it was a respectable and true institution, but over time, in his research, he came to see and then expose it for its inner treachery and corruption that it always had. Frollo was an example of this, although not as severe an example as his work "The Pope".
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
well yes but actually at the time Hugo wrote the novel he believed in God but just did not like the church itself...But I think he was using Frollo as a victim of the church in a way remember when Frollo is running through Paris after he thinks Esméralda is dead? Hugo says "he thought of the vanity of chastidy." and the "insanity of God."
(I think I misquoted the latter quote but it's nearly right.)That all leads up to that Frollo was losing fatih in the church because of the feelings
donfrollo2 3 years ago
he could not keep down oh and he wasn't one of the judges who trialed Esméralda like you said he was presant at the courtroom but he remained in hiding to watch the trial...oh and Phoebus did commit murder in a way he could have testafied that Esméralda was innocent and yet he just let her go to the hangman so although he didn't know it he helped to kill her
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Well, I do agree with you here, regarding Phoebus. And he was there with Fleur de Lys as she was being lead to the gibbet and Esmeralda could clearly see him, so I would assume he could clearly see her. But indeed, both he and Frollo were the so called villians of the story, that is unless if you count Clopin (purely based on his barbaric principles and for almost murdering Gringoire - but that's another discussion altogether).
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
I thnink Frollo was anti-hero
not a villian i mean he did good things as well like adopting Quasimodo he just got carried awy with his thoughts
donfrollo2 3 years ago
No, Frollo was a regular innoecnt priest who ended up dead upon his wheel, ecpecially when he fell in love with that Gypsy girl, who put him into a trance.
longman718 3 years ago
"dead upon his wheel."
Never heard that saying before but I see your pint I don't think he was innocent I mean he did try to rape Esméralda it's just he wasn't a "villian" like "EmilyGreene1984" was saying he's more "anti-hero" material
that's how Hugo wrote him anyway I think
donfrollo2 3 years ago
No, Phoebus was the anti-hero...Who is an anti-hero anyway?
longman718 3 years ago
I don't meen to boss you about but don't use the word "anti-hero" without knowing it's meaning "anti-heros" are characters who have one BIG flaw in them (Frollo's lust)
but at the end of the day they are still slightly sympathetic and even heroic sometimes Phoebus is neither sympatheic or heroic and he is a chavuanistic showoff so there for he's more of an "antagonist" then an "anti-hero"
donfrollo2 3 years ago
don't worry it's not just you though.
I've seen other's who really don't know what an anti-hero is it's kind of the profile of a character male or female who's in between "hero" and "villian" who attribute's both sides of the coin (aspects of a hero and villian)Quasimodo could be called an anti-hero if you wanted to get tecnical I mean he try's to kiddnap Esméralda and he does attack Robin Puscpain at Gringore's play and he kills Jehan Frollo and Frollo
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Why yes Donfrollo, that is certaintly true.
longman718 3 years ago
Poor Quasimodo, he cant control himself. Why did he end this way!
longman718 3 years ago
what do you mean "he can't control himself"
? He was physically deformed not mentaly
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Could be.
longman718 3 years ago
no I'm pretty sure he wasn't meantally disabled I mean he was aware of his deformaty and he seemd to have the general human intellegence (which sometimes isn't much I have to admit)
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Oh lol, thats funny that you you admit it.
longman718 3 years ago
funny?
No human intellegence isn't that great as we like to think it is
we love to think where the supreme race but sometimes we do really stupied things (war) and other things to each other!
donfrollo2 3 years ago
We humans are just so cruel. The world is a cruel place. War does not cost anything but lives, not just any lives, but lives of innocent people who dont deserve it.
longman718 3 years ago
I completely agree war is the worst crime commited by humans next is rape or murder
which both are factors of war sometimes
donfrollo2 3 years ago
I think Quasimodo felt that he had to avenge Esmeralda's murder (which she was) and when he realized that it was his former mentor, Frollo, had a hand in her death (which he did) - he decided to bring about his own brand of justice. No, Quasimodo in the novel was intelligent and very self-aware of himself - the only thing was that he became deaf at a young age (at the time all these events with him and Esmeralda took place when he was 20 years old), so it hindered him greatly.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
actually come to think of it Quasimodo is the perfect example from NDDP to use for "anti-hero" because the things I've listed above or "negitive" aspects of his personality (and he's bitter)
but he also saves Esméralda from death goes to get Phoebus for her even though he's in love with her and it's braking his heart gives her his food and water in a basket and other "heroic" things for her (Hugo was brillant at creating complex people that's evident from his other works as well)
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Frollo is the ultimate villain in the story, but in a rather tragic way...
He is rejected by the citizens of Paris because they believe he is a sorcerer, which is why he has empathy for Quasimodo and takes him in... But then when he sees Esmeralda, he is consumed by his lust for her and ultimately loses his sanity. Phoebus had a part to play too, but Frollo was the main antagonist (also keep in mind Frollo did attempt to kill Phoebus)
trollvoodoopriest 2 years ago 4
No, he is not a villian. Its ESMERALDA who made him into a villian.
longman718 2 years ago
...? I don't get how he's not a villain lol. He gave her an ultimatum of sleeping with him or dying at the gallows, and he tried to rape her until Quasimodo intervened. He also attempted to kill Phoebus out of jealousy when he saw him with her. Esmeralda wants nothing to do with him.
I'd also like to point out that you contradicted yourself lol... first you said he's not a villain, then you say Esmeralda made him a villain...
trollvoodoopriest 2 years ago 2
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Well yes, thats just what I mean! He wasnt a villian before, until that Esmeralda turned him into one. And its not his fault that he handed her over, she made him do it.
longman718 2 years ago
longman718, are you blaming Esmeralda...for just BEING there? It wasn't her fault in any way, shape or form.
She did not force him to do anything; for her, it was either death or, to put it bluntly, rape.
I really don't see your logic here. Esmeralda is just as much of a victim as you claim Frollo to be, if not more.
ClassicNovel 2 years ago 9
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Thats it, are you done? Or would you like to continue (Mr I like to find arguments with people) Yes I know your a different person, but if you want to get into an argument with me (shakes head) Dont even think about it. Shame on you.
longman718 2 years ago
@ClassicNovel Its not logic, its called opinion. Listen, lets not argue about this. Everybody has their own opinions. That is all I can say. Besides, she DID refuse him, she is the person who does not understand what is in the inside of the man.
You do not have to agree, but PLEASE end this feud!
longman718 1 year ago
@longman718 I know it's an opinion, but I was curious as to what it was based on.
And not to be rude, but I thought the feud WAS ended already. Our little exchange in the comment section was carried out almost a year ago, lol.
And, I'm not altogether innocent here either, but that post telling me to be ashamed of even considering disagreeing with you was a bit disrespectful. I'm not to blame for your arguments with others. I was asking for clarification. Fair enough?
No disrespect intended.
ClassicNovel 1 year ago
@ClassicNovel Ok. Thats true...
longman718 1 year ago
Well there's another point! He killed him for a REASON, since he was under Esmeralda's spell. Besides, Phoebus is the main villian, Frollo is just a victim of cruelty (almost like Quasimodo).
And obviously, Esmeralda made him crazy enough to hand her over to Paquet (who later turns out to be her Mother).
If Esmeralda did not exist, then Frollo may not have been crazy and evil. Hope you agree with me.
longman718 2 years ago
Ok... this all seems to lead back to one key question.
WTF SPELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT @.@
trollvoodoopriest 2 years ago
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Esmeralda's beauty spell.
Please dont make that emoticion into my face, its rude (no offense, but it just shows that you are disrespectful, if you want to be shown normal, dont do it).
longman718 2 years ago
so it was esmeraldas fault???? being beautifull?????
come on!!! frollo was just weak!!!!
kavtoM 2 years ago
"COME ON!" Its not his fault! DUH! He was perfectly normal until he saw her!
longman718 2 years ago
i understand that, but it was not esmeraldas fault either!!!!
kavtoM 2 years ago
Mhm, sure.
longman718 2 years ago
Sure it is! Beautiful women deserve what's coming to them. Men can't be held responsible for their actions when a pretty lady's involved.
/sarcasm
KitaPanda 2 years ago
which is what happend to Frollo he spent so much time ignoring women that when he saw Esméralda his thoughts kind of exploded
I agree he went to far (e.g. trying to rape her) but he's human he's not a "saint" and he did try to save her from him (e.g. asking for all Gypsies - including Esméralda to be removed from the Paris square) as for the kiddnapping yes that was a big moral collaps but by that time he was already rapidly on the path to insanity
donfrollo2 3 years ago
and the alchamy well lots of priests back then studied alchamy (of course away from the eyes of the church) and as for the stabbing of Phoebus well....Phoebus deserved that actually my fault with Frollo there is why the hell didn't he manage to kill him???
Insted of just wounding him can he not even aim a knife right? (Phoebus is the worst character in the novel I think and he's just as responsiable if not more so for Esméralda's hanging at the end)
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Again, that is only a prime example of the corruption in the church - which is what Victor Hugo touched upon in his works. And as for Phoebus, I agree he was a pig and for him to try to compromise Esmeralda's morals just to have sex is rephrenisble. But I don't think he deserved to be killed. He may have been a leech, but he never did anything as excessive and barbaric as murder. In the end, you could call it poetic justice in that he married Fleur, who was equally superficial & spiteful as he.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
the 'hahaha' part goes from mad to sad... somehow it breaks the heart...
pGFTuv 3 years ago 2
yeh..one can sense that great anguish behind the madness..Daniel did it so perfectly well!
Seddius 3 years ago 2
agreed.
pGFTuv 3 years ago 2
I know right. First he laughed for the joy of her hanging. Then he is pushed down the stairs =(
longman718 3 years ago
yehh 'HAHAHAHAHA' part is wonderful, full of craziness GREAT!!
Seddius 3 years ago 4
I know great! HAHAHAHAHA!
longman718 3 years ago 2
Thank you Quasi.
You did the world a favor by killing Frollo(but, wouldn't all those stairs have broken his fallXD?)
joyhorse13 3 years ago