The apeshit experience. They are not intellectually superior, not looking for evidence. They are not scientific. This is all just apeshit talk, because they want to be retarded apeshits, and claim superiority to everyone else, in arrogance, stupidity, and harassment.
Tell you what, why don't you lash out at the guys with a different opinion to yourself?
They're not intellectually superior, which makes it all the more impressive that they spank the crap out of theists bs claims every time, don't you think?
You're half right, they are actually looking for evidence, they just dismiss it when it's a load of rubbish. Unlike theists, who grasp on to every claim to reinforce their mistaken beliefs.
I can prove God exists, tell your friends. Nothing can prevail against my knowledge. I am the real prophet of God! Ever watched a baby explore a parents face by looking and touching! you should realize the endeavor to learn, and investigate, is not something created by mans own intellect. Repent! and make way the Knowledge and oracles of God. They should have proved the default position, because default implies pertinent knowledge known. You have to know how to drive a stick, can't fake it.
@StarApostle "Ever watched a baby explore a parents face by looking and touching! you should realize the endeavor to learn, and investigate, is not something created by mans own intellect" Then why don't newborn babies do what you describe? Seems they would if they had that disposition implanted in their minds by god from before birth. Why does it take 3 or more months for them to be able reach towards an object?
@devious21 If it wasn't a joke, what do you think it would mean? You've been a member since 2006 and your page is blank. Your page currently says you haven't logged in since 2011, how is it that you respond undetected?
@StarApostle "If it wasn't a joke, what do you think it would mean? "
Ok so it's joke. It started off over the top but then ended somewhat conceivably theist.
"You've been a member since 2006 and your page is blank. Your page currently says you haven't logged in since 2011, how is it that you respond undetected?"
I'm obviously part of NWO, Illuminati, (insert conspiracy theory here), etc.
The treats god as an exception to the idea that you'd need evidence to believe in something, which is probably why he decided to not answer. It seems that in his mind god is unprovable, therefore you either believe in him or you don't, matter of opinion. I think he understood the analogy but believed it to be inappropriate when discussing god's existence, as opposed to the existence of leprechauns for example.
You atheist have santa sendrom! Stop comparing god to dumb things that you believed in as a child. There is proof of God and there is not one shread of evidence that supports evolution.Not only doest achaeology and well known scholars suport the bible. Even Ramsy tried to prove that the bible wasn't true and he found it to be true. There is evidence of the red sea crossing,Noahs ark,mt sini,sodom and gamora ect ect ect. When you believe in God you feel it
@ada2 Another thing to compare belief in your God to would simply be one of the thousands of other Gods mankind has invented throughout history. That the bible may have included historical facts does not provide any evidence whatsoever for it's supernatural claims. The best lies are those that are mixed with some truth.
Evolution is a separate issue, though the scientific consensus (I.E.of people who actually study reality) is that evolution is the best possible explanation of the facts.
@Jamieishere1 We over 300 prophecies have come true! The calculations in the book of ezekiel prodicted that Isreal would become a nation in may of 1948. The bible also prodicted the Jews being scattared all over the world and brought back to Isreal. Also the Hebrew laguage being brought back that wasn't spoken for thousands of years.Also it being surrounded by enimies in the end times. The third temple is to be built in the endtimes and it is being built right know. There will be a one world gov
@ada2step So I'm told. Ability to prophecise = ability to prophecise, not proof of your version of God. I'm aware that the bible claims that Jesus etc fulfilled a bunch of prophecies but if you're including them in your 300 then that's just a circular argument that (at best) equates to "The bible is true because the bible says so".
The others likely require huge amounts of "interpretation" and all that u described are self-fulfilling. They also likely prove the Jewish God more than xtian.
@ada2step Why did Israel become a nation in 1948? Why did Hebrew get brought back and why is the third temple being built? Do they perhaps have something to do with the people who did/are doing those things having a book that told them they'd happen at such and such a time?
Please give me the chapter and verse for Ezekiel's prediction (the one with the month and date in). I've already explained it even if it is there, though I'd be interested to see if the bible does say the date etc.
@Jamieishere1 From the date when Ezekiel measured the visionary temple in Ezekiel 40 unto 1948 when Israel became a nation are 1260 plus 1260 years. It happens that 1260 plus 1260 days is an important seven-year period in the bible, referred to in Rev. 11-13 and elsewhere. (360 days x 7 = 7 years.)573 BC Nisan 10, plus 1260 + 1260 years = AD 1948 Pentecost Israel became a nation Sivan 5 on the 360 calendar, which was May 14 evening to May 15 evening in 1948.
@ada2step I skim read Ezekiel 40 (most boring thing I've ever read btw) and some of Rev 11... nothing remotely like a prohecy you describe in there. Please give me the chapter and verse reference for the prophecy, not whole chapters. Multiple chapter and verses are fine but not whole chapters please.
You didn't seem to address any of the other points I made. Please feel free to do so.
@Jamieishere1 Google 'Israel's date prophecy bible' and the explanation comes up in 'Bible prophecy numbers' with the subtitle 'When did Israel become a nation'.
@HeWillPrevail I skim read through and saw no quotes of the bible where anything close to such a prophecy was mentioned. It seems proponents of religion are taking the using such an extreme form of "interpretation" that it is now "invention".
Any clearly set out prophecy simply should not require an essay to explain how it's there...
@Jamieishere1 It's not extreme interpretation, it is simply applying math, which the article clearly explains. And where do you get your idea that "prophecy...should not require an essay to explain..."? That is your arbitrary opinion.
@HeWill Subjective opinion :P. The idea that prophecy should not require an essay to explain comes from the same place as the idea that large amounts of "interpretation" should not be required to read the bible in order to be able to get through a chapter or two without finding something that totally contradicts the creator's alleged nature...
Any divine being that actually cared at all about whether or not people believed/understood what the bible said would simply plainly state things..
@Jamieishere1 As for your "any divine being that actually cared at all about whether or not people believed/understood what the Bible said would simply plainly state things." I'm afraid this is another of your arbitrary opinions. You, a finite human being, same as I, is trying to say what the behavior of an infinitely more knowledgeable higher being. Perhaps, and this is just my opinion, the math and 'interpretation' is part of God's plan, not just the prophecy itself.
@HeWillPrevail It is completely rational. If somebody, whether divine or not, wants some information conveyed accurately and efficiently... they aim to do so... they don't effectively give you an ambiguous riddle to solve in order to understand their meaning. Any suggestion otherwise based upon one of a god's omni-characteristics is equivalent to "he works in mysterious ways". Presumably he does want people to find salvation in him...
@Jamieishere1 It is rational to your understanding. You are a finite human being with a FINITE understanding. If we are going to be presupposing a God exists, then we must assume He is all-knowing, and that He knows more than you-thus, your finite reasoning may not be His.
@HeWillPrevail "Finite understanding" etc etc just = "No matter what you say, God is God so, he's real and nothing you say, irrespective of how much sense it makes will change my belief in him because it's a presupposition I approach all debates with and has likely been drilled in to me from the moment I was born".
If we presuppose a God exists, we may as well not debate, especially not if any point I make about it effectively gets the response "He's god, so nothing you say counts".
@Jamieishere1 If you argue God's plan doesn't make sense (if he exists), you are presupposing He exists. I am simply saying you must presuppose correctly if you are to argue against my belief of God. Please tell me where the website grabs "random" passages- it seems they have an explanation for why each passage came into play.
@HeWillPrevail Exekiel 4:4 "Israel will be punished for 390 years"
This actually refutes the prophecy claim outright. You can't punish something that isn't there... if it's allegedly a prophecy about a state being formed... you can't punish it if it isn't in existence.
It says Israel will be punished anyway, not formed after such and such a time...
Does it actually say anywhere that so and so actually DID lie on their left side etc?
The reason for subtracting 70 seems totally unclear...
@Jamieishere1 So, to conclude, while your logic is flawless, your observation is not. To be proven correct, you must first present you flawless logical reasoning (which you have) and proof that the plan in place isn't the best one, which a human can't individually prove, since they must assume they don't know everything.
@Jamieishere1 Taking this into account, you still must cede to the fact that you don't understand everything my God does (if He exists). So, you say "His knowledge does not trump rationality", I think I would agree. However, when we say "an all-knowing God should have a better plan", we are assuming both rationality and observation that the plan in place isn't the best.
@HeWillPrevail Having a little look at the site again.... I see no scriptural basis for the 1260 years. Certainly not in relation to the formation Israel.
Ezekiel's "in the beginning of the year" is not a date...
I don't believe you answered, is this supposed prophecy proof of the Jewish or the Christian God according to you?
@Jamieishere1 The Jewish God and Christian God are the same God, at least from a Christian standpoint. They simply don't accept Jesus as their messiah. As for the prophecy, I found a website that explains it better. Google 'Ezekiel date Israel prophecy' and go to the site that is published by 'Godlikeproductions'. It's a little more math, but it explains where all the numbers come from, whereas the first site fails to do so.
@HeWillPrevail Your using a prophecy in what is effectively the Jewish holy book to try and justify the Christian God...
If they're the same God, great, that just reinforces my point that every undeniably evil thing done in the OT is attributable to the God you worship and he is therefore totally incompatible with the concept of an omnibenevolent being. Numbers 31, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Lev 25:44, Lev 20:9 etc etc etc. Not that the OT is itself devoid of immorality.
@HeWillPrevail Nope, there would, AT MOST be no arbitrator of objective morality and quite likely no objective morality. If you define immoral/evil as being inherently divine or related to the divine in nature then sure, you're right but that's purely a matter of semantics.
Feel free to look up some of the verses I gave. Numbers chapter 31 is a good starting place (the whole chapter, though verses 17-18 in particular).
@HeWillPrevail I checked the site you directed me to and they effectively grab numbers from random parts of the bible, play around with calendars a bit and hey presto, you can make virtually any number you want. Of course it doesn't even seem to refer to the formation or reformation of israel... only the punishment of it.
@Jamieishere1 Also, your finite understanding- I simply mean that if you presuppose God's existence to argue against His plan, you must simply make sure you are talking about an all-knowing God. Then you must submit that you are aren't all knowing- so it makes more RATIONAL sense that an all-knowing God would have a better plan than you.
@HeWillPrevail An all knowing God may well have a better plan than me but that does not negate rational and intuitively obvious criticisms raised about any him. His knowledge does not trump rationality.
Also, if I were to assume the nature as well as the existence of your God... we wouldn't be debating.. I'd simply be agreeing with you due to assuming all of your beliefs. That you say God is omniscient etc based upon the bible does not negate that instances in it suggest that he is not.
@Jamieishere1 I understand you don't believe my God exists, but we are arguing about His omniscience. So, for the sake of the current argument, you are assuming my ideas of God are true, though you may not believe He even exists. My argument is that If we are assuming His personality and existence for the argument, we must also assume my ideas about Him, i.e His omniscience. So, you are arguing, IF God is omniscient, then His plan WOULD be better than the current one in place.
@HeWillPrevail Ok I think I see your point now. You seem to be referring to the unfalsifiability of your claim and pointing out that I need to provide a direct contradiction. I don't think I'd disagree with that, though of course it applies to anybody else's claims about about an omniscient being too.
I don't think I was so much attempting a total refutation as showing the improbability of your proposition. Anyway, I'll respond via PM.
@ada2step I skim read Ezekiel 40 (most boring thing I've ever read btw) and some of Rev 11... nothing remotely like a prohecy you describe in there. Please give me the chapter and verse reference for the prophecy, not whole chapters. Multiple chapter and verses are fine but not whole chapters please.
You didn't seem to address any of the other points I made. Please feel free to do so.
I beieve in god- and mermaids, and unicorns, and fairies, and centaurs,and yes leprachauns too AND the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow-and while were at it- the earth is flat too!
@noce8282 That's xenophobic, illogical nonsense. Of all the religions in the world, only one is true? And how do you define "truth"? I think the cruelty and contradictions of the bible obliterate any truth it may contain.
Neither Side has the Burden Of Proof. It is at the neutral state ie. Agnosticism. I used to believe in Dragons, until science came along and proved me wrong. I used to believe that the Earth was flat, until a scientist came along and proved me wrong. You believe that there is no God, yet you have no evidence to claim that. Fine, believers dont have evidence either, surely it should be on the neutral state. Agnosticism? Dont call yourself's athiests, because that claim is Fake without evidence.
@mentalphysicalism If you would read the bible, you would know that there are false Gods& false messiahs as PREDICTED IN THE BIBLE, When the second coming happens, ALL WILL KNOW AND ALL WILL SEE HIM! NOT JUST A COUNTRY or SO
@Chaoitcme 1. The Bible was written first! 2. It took 1500 years, other books probably took like a month or so or very few years. Unlike other books, everything the Bible has predicted has come true. All of the others are lies and false books.
@FantasmaBAnco I don't remember when or where I heard it but I remember hearing that Beowulf was the first story ever written. I could be wrong. Either way it sure wasn't the bible.
@MrTablerunner It was the first story written in old English. Stories in the bible are older, but so are a lot of stories from *many* different cultures around the world. But if you consider the oral tradition to be worthy of consideration (rather than just what was *written*) then there are many narratives around the world that are far older than the bible.
Okay, read the Bible, know that EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS REAL, ESPECIALLY JESUS! EVIDENCE? I DONT NEED EVEIDENCE. you Shall see in the end at the second coming
good news of the birth, life, death and resorection of Jesus Christ in hopes that at least one person will take my words and do some open minded research not just in books or on the internet but in prayer and action to see if there might be some truth to the bible. Don't let others stop you from considering the posibllity of God and the words of Christ and praying about it. Whoever you are don't just accept what your senses can detect in this world. Men will let you down but not Jesus.
@Godless61 Prayer may not be research but neither is a book that says we may have evolved from something very hairy that lived in a tree. My most distant ancestor was a human being not an ancestor of an ape. ILL stick to the bible and prayer and God thank you. But If you choose to not accept God prior to death then I hope you are right about God not existing. I will take Jesus Christ over evolution any day.
"but neither is a book that says we may have evolved from something very hairy that lived in a tree. My most distant ancestor was a human being not an ancestor of an ape"
And in those few words you have proved that you know absolutely nothing about evolution.
All human beings are just another species of ape.
Get your nose out of that fairy story book and educate yourself.
@arecuk1 Atheists are in good standing with god because god is an atheist. God knows that nobody created him and he wants you to know that you were were not created by anyone either.
@mentalphysicalism I have to assume that this is some kind of attempt at humor, otherwise I have no clue what you are talking about. The God of the bible is real my friend as is Satan and heaven and hell, so I pray you seek him out before you die.
I have had many discussions with atheists through these videos about the existance of God and I specifially believe in Jesus Christ, and for the most part I usually get told im crazy, delusional, stupid and racist at times. Then there are the times when people want to use cuss words which I find sad and offensive personally reguardless of what people believe in. In the end I have not done a good job explaining why I believe in Christ as lord and savior, so I will instead spread the good, cont
Truth is not a democracy. It is not subjective. The default is always to doubt until proven true. However, the prevalence of evidence and completeness of the proposal adds weight. The nonexistence of God has a lot of evidence behind it, regardless of whether not it is the default position. This caller is a failure on all levels.
In ANY court of law, when someone makes an assertion or claim, it is up to the person making the claim to prove that claim. It is not up to anyone else to disprove their assertion or claim. That comes from something called....(drum roll, please!.....) LOGIC!
This guy seriously sounds like ShockofGod. I'm wondering if this call is what drove that moron to come up with that question that supposed proves that atheism is "madness"...
@Nabiki73 if i wanted any lip from you i would pull down my zipper. i love how fuckin smug you are calling everyone a moron. you were apparently picked on your whole life now you hide behind a fucking youtube account.. don't piss me off or i will make you cry in front of everyone....... and like i said you are commenting on shit that's old as the hills.
@Nabiki73 yea it's real funny sometimes but maybe you can explain something to me. why is it perfectly okay to bag on someone for being a christian (i am not one lol) but i'm a dick if i say something racially challenging? that seems like a double standard to me. ya'll hate christians and it's cool, but if i think another race of people are are dumb as hell then i'm some kinda scum? do tell please.
@kottonmouthvids I don't rag on people for being a Christian or member of any other religion. I rag on them for being ignorant jerks.. Racism is ignorance, and the sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
lol, the burden of proof on existence is to prove something does indeed "exist". it literally makes no sense to say something exists because you can't prove it doesn't.
@tomitstube btw you are older than my grandpa so it's clear we are going to have different views. but, you seldom find senior citizens who act immature as you. grow up pops
@kottonmouthvids ~ uh huh, i'm "immature" for calling out your ignorant racism, you don't even know the color of the caller, but you're making racist remarks? that makes YOU the "dumbass". and thanks for clearing up you're not an atheist. it all makes sense now. idiot.
@tomitstube drink ur metamucil and go to bed gramps. you call me a cracker but you're watching an all white video. that's right, all white people. go watch a martin luther king video so something just quit trollin. much respect for the athiest community but none for you.i say i'm not racist, you call me a racist. i say i'm not athiest, you call me idiot.that is the definition of a fucking troll!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kottonmouthvids tomits is right- you are a moron. Do humanity a favor and stop posting. We all get embarrassed and ashamed that you're part of our species.
@Nabiki73 dude that post is older than your grannys underwear. stay out of my business you fucking troll if you're gonna comment do it within a few days of the post. me and the other dude are over it, why are you soooo late?
@kottonmouthvids It's never a bad thing to make fun of morons. You're an ignorant racist prick, so please go play in traffic. America has enough idiots as it is.
@Nabiki73 aaahahahhahahah i read your comments and EVERYONE on YOUR page is calling you a dumbass and a creeper!!! i'm glad i'm not alone when i say you need to lay it to rest weirdo.
@kottonmouthvids Wow, I'm getting insulted by a bunch of morons. Looks like you have 4 new friends- time for some Russian Roulette. Just do humanity a favor.
this is like the 4th video in a row where the caller is a dumb black person. where are the intelligent white people so i can hear a good debate? just saying..... i am not racist but the blacks just can't articulate themselves.
@tomitstube he may be white idk but many of the shows i've viewed do fit the description i was talking about. fyi i am not an athiest but matt dillahunty does have some great views. read the comments i am not the only one who feels this caller is a dumbass.
The positive assertion is the one carrying the burden of proof, because the negative one cannot be demonstrated, since it is impossible to prove a universal negative. Therefore, to the question "Does God exist?" there is a positive answer, "Yes," or a negative one, "No", and the burden of proof falls on the positive, not the negative.
There are deist defences to this first postion, which, as Matt says, is the default. But at least we can get that far.
these 2 fuckers are ignorant. if they are up to arguing this shit with me, please by all means visit my channel. leave a comment, i will respond. all these 2 are trying to do is backpeddle from questions they cant answer.
@wallace3542 If you had any intellectual honesty in you, you would provide evidence for the claims of 'ignorance' and 'back-peddling' and present them here.
Theist have to prove the non-existence of the God-eliminating device, the anti-god black hole, the transcendant god-eater puppy, the God-obliterator bomb that nuke God's ass, the ultimate Goddestroyer robot, etc, etc, etc. because by their logic all of these exist until disproven, and if at least 1 of them exist, God doesn't exist. Shifting the burden of proof to us makes disproving God a lot easier.
No one defines God on this show so no wonder no one answers the questions logically."I believe in a God but I do not know what that God is" is obviously an absurd proposition. If the definition of God had evolved to become "the organizing principle of the universe" whatever that may be, would they still call themselves Atheists and fight against the idea of God?
@MacksPower75 The majority of people that call the show are Christians or believe in a personal god. When they actually get into more in-depth conversations, they do make the person define their god before discussing.
The issue in this video isn't the caller's god. It's the caller's inability to grasp basic epistemology, so their definition isn't relevant.
@devious21 What I was trying to point out was that Atheism appears to be a reaction to the historically loaded word "God" and all of it's connotations more than it is a resistance to what that word may really represent, which to me is a wonderment of why we exist at all and an attempt to subjectively understand what exactly that may entail, in other words why order exists instead of randomness and chaos, that is what motivates me to try to understand what exactly the word God represents.
@MacksPower75 That's understandable. But keep in mind, you're the minority.
To most other people (including the majority of callers in this show), "God" is the god of Mount Sinai or handful of other gods. To most people, God is the god of the bible or some other religious text.
While the pantheistic (pardon me if you're not) god you are describing is very interesting, most common debates are dealing with the gods of major religions.
@devious21 I understand that, it is just that if you are going to logically argue about something it is best to do it against something that approaches logic or you are not going to challenge yourself. I like that they try to get people to challenge their beliefs but it would be nice if they challenged their own views, they might do that but it is not apparent on this show. As far as pantheism goes it is just another meaningless term meant to pigeonhole an idea, make it safe, sterile.
@MacksPower75 "I understand that, it is just that if you are going to logically argue about something it is best to do it against something that approaches logic"
It sounds like you are implying atheists should CHOOSE a more challenging position to hold. While I agree MOST claims for god are intellectually lazy, we have to hold the position of atheism for THOSE claims. As Atheists, we disbelieve their claims. Claiming to be theist just for the challenge would be dishonest.
@devious21 I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I am not saying to claim to be a theist if that is not what you believe. I was pointing out that on this show it is usually a logical point of view vs an emotional belief. They both end up talking past each other because they are coming from entirely different constructs. My view is the show would be more constructive for atheists and theists if they had more theist callers who were less emotional and more logical about their beliefs.
@MacksPower75 " show would be more constructive for atheists and theists if they had more theist callers who were less emotional and more logical about their beliefs."
I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, they can't force those people to call in.
They do call in from time to time. There was the 'TAG' episode that was more interesting than most these arguments.
Unfortunately, this kind of caller is the majority. You can see it on the show, in real life and even on youtube comments.
@MacksPower75 "Atheism appears to be a reaction to the historically loaded word "God""
This statement implies that you think Atheism has a knee jerk reaction to the label of God. If not, I apologize.
But to be clear, if you say that universe is complex and I label that god, then I'm not an atheist towards the universe. I believe the universe exists. I just don't see a need to call it god.
If you claim any supernatural gods exist, I'm an atheist until there is sufficient proof.
@MrArpas123 Do you really think that made sense? Un-belief means you believe? I guess since you don't make sense that means you make sense...so good job, or bad job, or something exactly the opposite of what you think it means.
Love is an intangible feeling that connects us and the ultimate love is demonstrated for something we don't see. Our love for an intangible being we call God allows us to overcome our fears, our hate and our selfish instincts. How's possible that kind of love exists? It can only exists because we sense that we are part of something bigger than us, something that transcends reason. We were created to love and millions have given their lives for this love. Keep this love alive and live the kingdom
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
for some reason, today i'm feeling happier and better than i did in years..
it started when i was just clearing my mind to calm down.
i'm not even kidding. it was a really good feeling,i think it maybe a positive onset of psychosis? i'm talking about unexplained spontaneous combustion of happiness xD i'm going to go feed a stray kitten now.
I don't believe in Leprechauns not only because there is negative evidence for it there is positive evidence they do not exist. Now where is the positive evidence God does not exist? (comment inspired By Dr. Craig) :)
@RedSun875 What positive evidence is there that they don't exist? I could bring up the Invisible Pink Unicorn which is intangible in every sense possible. It is theoretically disprovable(much like your g-man).
@RedSun875 And if that's your positive evidence, likewise, my positive evidence is that in my 22 years on Earth, I have yet to see any Sky-Daddy stroking his mythical beard. Hmm, strange innit?
@orgocimaru If your question has a false basis there is no answer for it. As I said, I don't believe in your discription of God in your absurd question. Try asking a decent one.
@RedSun875 How is the question absurd? I am assigning characteristics to a character(which may or may not be fictional by your logic) that mirrors that of your deity. It is hypocritical of you to dismiss my "deity" on grounds of absurdity yet accept yours despite the lack of evidence to disprove and/or prove the existence of either one.
Just because books written in the Iron Age are taught as the gospel truth every week doesn't make them true. I'm done here. Your stupidity is painful.
@orgocimaru My anser to you is simple. Point out where I stated I believe in a bearded man in the sky... you do not know what my description of God is and also I believe willfully put out this crazy analogy for entertainment value alone.
@RedSun875 So, while yes orgocimaru was being slightly silly (hey i appreciated the beared sky-daddy comment) the question still is. What type of God do you believe in? Define him and we will gladly show you why there is no acceptable evidence (acceptable by scientific standards which is based around our understanding of reality) for that God. First, we have to prove that God even exists and then we have to prove a specific one. How can we even begin to narrow down the field of deities?
@RedSun875 I went around the whole earth and I see no God. That still isn't positive evidence.
What if they were moving just behind where the search team was. I also find it patently absurd that you dismissed orgocimaru's question based on the beard. Lol, yea thats the most important aspect of it. I'm sorry but there are two categories for God, the one's that have been put forward are logically self refuting. If on the other hand the God makes no changes here then who cares, he's worthless
I believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.
I would suggest that putting racism into your argument will get you nowhere especially with me, because I could care less about skin color. I look for consistency in people as in doing what they say they will, showing respect to others and just doing what is right. That is my bottom line. I also know that my argument will not be listened to by many just as many heard Christ talk but did not listen to what he said. Everyone can believe what ever they want but I know there is a God.
I believe that you should have a balance between teaching about a creator - God and Evolution to all children so that both ideas are presented and the people can decide for themselves. What is your definition of many Christians because while there are some racists who are Christians many of us could care less about race. I had no choice when I was taught evolution was that fair? But no you should not be forced to learn either but if you teach one you should teach both. My pastor is mixed race.
in science class science must be tought. God and evolution are not the same sides of a coin. Thats why people want to get "inteligent design" tought in schools, which we all no is just creation in a different name.
You should not have a choice in what you are tought. What is real is what is tought, not what you want to believe. Is it fair i had to be tought that slavery existed? I didn't want to know it happened so i shouldn't have been tought it.
in science class science must be tought. God and evolution are not the same sides of a coin. Thats why people want to get "inteligent design" tought in schools, which we all no is just creation in a different name.
You should not have a choice in what you are tought. What is real is what is tought, not what you want to believe. Is it fair i had to be tought that slavery existed? I didn't want to know it happened so i shouldn't have been tought it.
@pompousprick Do you know what the word "analogy" means? The reason Matt and Russell brought those examples up were to make an analogy in order to point out to the caller how his arguments are incorrect. It sounds like you could use more education.
Man, I lost some IQ points just for listening to this caller.
palermodpr 13 hours ago
The ending quote is brilliant! :D
BrytaPlanka 1 week ago
The apeshit experience. They are not intellectually superior, not looking for evidence. They are not scientific. This is all just apeshit talk, because they want to be retarded apeshits, and claim superiority to everyone else, in arrogance, stupidity, and harassment.
ParadoxEternal 1 week ago
@ParadoxEternal define "apeshit talk" or give an example.
Your entire comment was an assertion with no real point or argument made.
devious21 1 week ago
@ParadoxEternal
Tell you what, why don't you lash out at the guys with a different opinion to yourself?
They're not intellectually superior, which makes it all the more impressive that they spank the crap out of theists bs claims every time, don't you think?
You're half right, they are actually looking for evidence, they just dismiss it when it's a load of rubbish. Unlike theists, who grasp on to every claim to reinforce their mistaken beliefs.
Good luck with the god thing.
James92453 2 days ago
I can prove God exists, tell your friends. Nothing can prevail against my knowledge. I am the real prophet of God! Ever watched a baby explore a parents face by looking and touching! you should realize the endeavor to learn, and investigate, is not something created by mans own intellect. Repent! and make way the Knowledge and oracles of God. They should have proved the default position, because default implies pertinent knowledge known. You have to know how to drive a stick, can't fake it.
StarApostle 1 month ago
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@StarApostle "Ever watched a baby explore a parents face by looking and touching! you should realize the endeavor to learn, and investigate, is not something created by mans own intellect" Then why don't newborn babies do what you describe? Seems they would if they had that disposition implanted in their minds by god from before birth. Why does it take 3 or more months for them to be able reach towards an object?
labrat1807 4 weeks ago
@StarApostle Was that a joke comment? Can't tell if serious or not.
devious21 2 weeks ago
@devious21 If it wasn't a joke, what do you think it would mean? You've been a member since 2006 and your page is blank. Your page currently says you haven't logged in since 2011, how is it that you respond undetected?
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@StarApostle "If it wasn't a joke, what do you think it would mean? "
Ok so it's joke. It started off over the top but then ended somewhat conceivably theist.
"You've been a member since 2006 and your page is blank. Your page currently says you haven't logged in since 2011, how is it that you respond undetected?"
I'm obviously part of NWO, Illuminati, (insert conspiracy theory here), etc.
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seanmathews009 1 month ago
Its like a guy going around claiming he can fly, and saying to people "Prove I CANT fly!"
"What? why should we? Prove you CAN"
GrecoWrestlerNJ70 1 month ago 2
I think the caller is confused with the meaning of Agnosticism, and was probably going to say that was the default position.
cjcapta 1 month ago
"Let's get back to leprechauns."
And how many times do you hear THAT in a discussion?
joshtube9 1 month ago
The treats god as an exception to the idea that you'd need evidence to believe in something, which is probably why he decided to not answer. It seems that in his mind god is unprovable, therefore you either believe in him or you don't, matter of opinion. I think he understood the analogy but believed it to be inappropriate when discussing god's existence, as opposed to the existence of leprechauns for example.
BerzergerR 1 month ago
Don's laugh makes me smile.. every time :D
frackcha 1 month ago
Too stupid to understand the proposition Ho Hum
yournotright101 1 month ago
Can't you not disprove that there are not no leprechauns??? *win*
jsamari 1 month ago
Why the fuck do you people keep "thumbing up" the arrows to the knee comments.
TheHolyphantom 1 month ago
for the love of logic, i hope this guy is a troll
ShooterCinema 2 months ago
You atheist have santa sendrom! Stop comparing god to dumb things that you believed in as a child. There is proof of God and there is not one shread of evidence that supports evolution.Not only doest achaeology and well known scholars suport the bible. Even Ramsy tried to prove that the bible wasn't true and he found it to be true. There is evidence of the red sea crossing,Noahs ark,mt sini,sodom and gamora ect ect ect. When you believe in God you feel it
ada2step 2 months ago
@ada2 Another thing to compare belief in your God to would simply be one of the thousands of other Gods mankind has invented throughout history. That the bible may have included historical facts does not provide any evidence whatsoever for it's supernatural claims. The best lies are those that are mixed with some truth.
Evolution is a separate issue, though the scientific consensus (I.E.of people who actually study reality) is that evolution is the best possible explanation of the facts.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 We over 300 prophecies have come true! The calculations in the book of ezekiel prodicted that Isreal would become a nation in may of 1948. The bible also prodicted the Jews being scattared all over the world and brought back to Isreal. Also the Hebrew laguage being brought back that wasn't spoken for thousands of years.Also it being surrounded by enimies in the end times. The third temple is to be built in the endtimes and it is being built right know. There will be a one world gov
ada2step 2 months ago
@ada2step So I'm told. Ability to prophecise = ability to prophecise, not proof of your version of God. I'm aware that the bible claims that Jesus etc fulfilled a bunch of prophecies but if you're including them in your 300 then that's just a circular argument that (at best) equates to "The bible is true because the bible says so".
The others likely require huge amounts of "interpretation" and all that u described are self-fulfilling. They also likely prove the Jewish God more than xtian.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@ada2step Why did Israel become a nation in 1948? Why did Hebrew get brought back and why is the third temple being built? Do they perhaps have something to do with the people who did/are doing those things having a book that told them they'd happen at such and such a time?
Please give me the chapter and verse for Ezekiel's prediction (the one with the month and date in). I've already explained it even if it is there, though I'd be interested to see if the bible does say the date etc.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 From the date when Ezekiel measured the visionary temple in Ezekiel 40 unto 1948 when Israel became a nation are 1260 plus 1260 years. It happens that 1260 plus 1260 days is an important seven-year period in the bible, referred to in Rev. 11-13 and elsewhere. (360 days x 7 = 7 years.)573 BC Nisan 10, plus 1260 + 1260 years = AD 1948 Pentecost Israel became a nation Sivan 5 on the 360 calendar, which was May 14 evening to May 15 evening in 1948.
ada2step 2 months ago
@ada2step I skim read Ezekiel 40 (most boring thing I've ever read btw) and some of Rev 11... nothing remotely like a prohecy you describe in there. Please give me the chapter and verse reference for the prophecy, not whole chapters. Multiple chapter and verses are fine but not whole chapters please.
You didn't seem to address any of the other points I made. Please feel free to do so.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 Google 'Israel's date prophecy bible' and the explanation comes up in 'Bible prophecy numbers' with the subtitle 'When did Israel become a nation'.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail I skim read through and saw no quotes of the bible where anything close to such a prophecy was mentioned. It seems proponents of religion are taking the using such an extreme form of "interpretation" that it is now "invention".
Any clearly set out prophecy simply should not require an essay to explain how it's there...
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 It's not extreme interpretation, it is simply applying math, which the article clearly explains. And where do you get your idea that "prophecy...should not require an essay to explain..."? That is your arbitrary opinion.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWill Subjective opinion :P. The idea that prophecy should not require an essay to explain comes from the same place as the idea that large amounts of "interpretation" should not be required to read the bible in order to be able to get through a chapter or two without finding something that totally contradicts the creator's alleged nature...
Any divine being that actually cared at all about whether or not people believed/understood what the bible said would simply plainly state things..
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 As for your "any divine being that actually cared at all about whether or not people believed/understood what the Bible said would simply plainly state things." I'm afraid this is another of your arbitrary opinions. You, a finite human being, same as I, is trying to say what the behavior of an infinitely more knowledgeable higher being. Perhaps, and this is just my opinion, the math and 'interpretation' is part of God's plan, not just the prophecy itself.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail It is completely rational. If somebody, whether divine or not, wants some information conveyed accurately and efficiently... they aim to do so... they don't effectively give you an ambiguous riddle to solve in order to understand their meaning. Any suggestion otherwise based upon one of a god's omni-characteristics is equivalent to "he works in mysterious ways". Presumably he does want people to find salvation in him...
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 It is rational to your understanding. You are a finite human being with a FINITE understanding. If we are going to be presupposing a God exists, then we must assume He is all-knowing, and that He knows more than you-thus, your finite reasoning may not be His.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail "Finite understanding" etc etc just = "No matter what you say, God is God so, he's real and nothing you say, irrespective of how much sense it makes will change my belief in him because it's a presupposition I approach all debates with and has likely been drilled in to me from the moment I was born".
If we presuppose a God exists, we may as well not debate, especially not if any point I make about it effectively gets the response "He's god, so nothing you say counts".
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 If you argue God's plan doesn't make sense (if he exists), you are presupposing He exists. I am simply saying you must presuppose correctly if you are to argue against my belief of God. Please tell me where the website grabs "random" passages- it seems they have an explanation for why each passage came into play.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail Exekiel 4:4 "Israel will be punished for 390 years"
This actually refutes the prophecy claim outright. You can't punish something that isn't there... if it's allegedly a prophecy about a state being formed... you can't punish it if it isn't in existence.
It says Israel will be punished anyway, not formed after such and such a time...
Does it actually say anywhere that so and so actually DID lie on their left side etc?
The reason for subtracting 70 seems totally unclear...
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 So, to conclude, while your logic is flawless, your observation is not. To be proven correct, you must first present you flawless logical reasoning (which you have) and proof that the plan in place isn't the best one, which a human can't individually prove, since they must assume they don't know everything.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail
The calculation then seems to convert the Jewish Calendar in to our Calendar... and making the false assumption that 1 Jewish day = 1 Christian Day
If I presuppose God's existence and challenge his nature, clearly I am not presupposing his nature.
None of the 7x punishment for sins passages seem to reference Israel etc and most translations actually say "seven times MORE" I.E. 8 times... not 7.
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 Taking this into account, you still must cede to the fact that you don't understand everything my God does (if He exists). So, you say "His knowledge does not trump rationality", I think I would agree. However, when we say "an all-knowing God should have a better plan", we are assuming both rationality and observation that the plan in place isn't the best.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail Having a little look at the site again.... I see no scriptural basis for the 1260 years. Certainly not in relation to the formation Israel.
Ezekiel's "in the beginning of the year" is not a date...
I don't believe you answered, is this supposed prophecy proof of the Jewish or the Christian God according to you?
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 The Jewish God and Christian God are the same God, at least from a Christian standpoint. They simply don't accept Jesus as their messiah. As for the prophecy, I found a website that explains it better. Google 'Ezekiel date Israel prophecy' and go to the site that is published by 'Godlikeproductions'. It's a little more math, but it explains where all the numbers come from, whereas the first site fails to do so.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail Your using a prophecy in what is effectively the Jewish holy book to try and justify the Christian God...
If they're the same God, great, that just reinforces my point that every undeniably evil thing done in the OT is attributable to the God you worship and he is therefore totally incompatible with the concept of an omnibenevolent being. Numbers 31, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Lev 25:44, Lev 20:9 etc etc etc. Not that the OT is itself devoid of immorality.
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 If God did not exist, there would be not definition of EVIL or IMMORAL in the first place. (Though I disagree that God isn't loving)
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail Nope, there would, AT MOST be no arbitrator of objective morality and quite likely no objective morality. If you define immoral/evil as being inherently divine or related to the divine in nature then sure, you're right but that's purely a matter of semantics.
Feel free to look up some of the verses I gave. Numbers chapter 31 is a good starting place (the whole chapter, though verses 17-18 in particular).
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail I checked the site you directed me to and they effectively grab numbers from random parts of the bible, play around with calendars a bit and hey presto, you can make virtually any number you want. Of course it doesn't even seem to refer to the formation or reformation of israel... only the punishment of it.
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 Also, your finite understanding- I simply mean that if you presuppose God's existence to argue against His plan, you must simply make sure you are talking about an all-knowing God. Then you must submit that you are aren't all knowing- so it makes more RATIONAL sense that an all-knowing God would have a better plan than you.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail An all knowing God may well have a better plan than me but that does not negate rational and intuitively obvious criticisms raised about any him. His knowledge does not trump rationality.
Also, if I were to assume the nature as well as the existence of your God... we wouldn't be debating.. I'd simply be agreeing with you due to assuming all of your beliefs. That you say God is omniscient etc based upon the bible does not negate that instances in it suggest that he is not.
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
@Jamieishere1 I understand you don't believe my God exists, but we are arguing about His omniscience. So, for the sake of the current argument, you are assuming my ideas of God are true, though you may not believe He even exists. My argument is that If we are assuming His personality and existence for the argument, we must also assume my ideas about Him, i.e His omniscience. So, you are arguing, IF God is omniscient, then His plan WOULD be better than the current one in place.
HeWillPrevail 1 month ago
@HeWillPrevail Ok I think I see your point now. You seem to be referring to the unfalsifiability of your claim and pointing out that I need to provide a direct contradiction. I don't think I'd disagree with that, though of course it applies to anybody else's claims about about an omniscient being too.
I don't think I was so much attempting a total refutation as showing the improbability of your proposition. Anyway, I'll respond via PM.
Jamieishere1 1 month ago
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@ada2step I skim read Ezekiel 40 (most boring thing I've ever read btw) and some of Rev 11... nothing remotely like a prohecy you describe in there. Please give me the chapter and verse reference for the prophecy, not whole chapters. Multiple chapter and verses are fine but not whole chapters please.
You didn't seem to address any of the other points I made. Please feel free to do so.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
I'm half Irish. So I believe in half-leprechauns. (Split down the middle, not horizontally.)
Creepy green bastards.
SpaceDogGreen2 2 months ago 17
@SpaceDogGreen2 Why not be top-half = leprechaun and bottom half = irish, if you know what I mean...
DasGuntLord01 3 weeks ago
I beieve in god- and mermaids, and unicorns, and fairies, and centaurs,and yes leprachauns too AND the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow-and while were at it- the earth is flat too!
dancingnancy09 2 months ago
@dancingnancy09 LOL hear hear.
thesparitan 2 months ago
@FantasmaBAnco yeah it was. Bible is the only thing that's true.
noce8282 2 months ago
@noce8282 That's xenophobic, illogical nonsense. Of all the religions in the world, only one is true? And how do you define "truth"? I think the cruelty and contradictions of the bible obliterate any truth it may contain.
FantasmaBAnco 2 months ago
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Neither Side has the Burden Of Proof. It is at the neutral state ie. Agnosticism. I used to believe in Dragons, until science came along and proved me wrong. I used to believe that the Earth was flat, until a scientist came along and proved me wrong. You believe that there is no God, yet you have no evidence to claim that. Fine, believers dont have evidence either, surely it should be on the neutral state. Agnosticism? Dont call yourself's athiests, because that claim is Fake without evidence.
ADSamer 2 months ago 4
I used to be Irish. Then I took an arrow to the knee.
NateKirch 2 months ago
@NateKirch lol
thesparitan 2 months ago
I almost pissed myself laughing on the Irish line
Streetsofblack 2 months ago
The caller isn't very bright.
anonymoususer120 2 months ago 9
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He's religious, what do you expect?
TheSkunkCat 3 weeks ago
@mentalphysicalism If you would read the bible, you would know that there are false Gods& false messiahs as PREDICTED IN THE BIBLE, When the second coming happens, ALL WILL KNOW AND ALL WILL SEE HIM! NOT JUST A COUNTRY or SO
noce8282 3 months ago
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jelephant8 3 months ago
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The Quran says the same thing....
The religious yearn for the death and destruction of human-beings
jelephant8 3 months ago
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@noce8282 I predict that there will be people who will believe the bible. There are
those who do not recognize propaganda and will fall victim to to it. Assailing doubters
says nothing about the veracity of a statement, Jesus repeatedly said that he will
return within one generation and while some of you standing here are still alive.
Either Jesus was wrong or he has already come and you can't see it.
GLOOM AND DOOM SELLS!
mentalphysicalism 3 months ago
@Chaoitcme 1. The Bible was written first! 2. It took 1500 years, other books probably took like a month or so or very few years. Unlike other books, everything the Bible has predicted has come true. All of the others are lies and false books.
noce8282 3 months ago
@noce8282 The babble was not written first. Ever heard of the Upanishads?
FantasmaBAnco 2 months ago
@FantasmaBAnco I don't remember when or where I heard it but I remember hearing that Beowulf was the first story ever written. I could be wrong. Either way it sure wasn't the bible.
MrTablerunner 2 months ago
@MrTablerunner It was the first story written in old English. Stories in the bible are older, but so are a lot of stories from *many* different cultures around the world. But if you consider the oral tradition to be worthy of consideration (rather than just what was *written*) then there are many narratives around the world that are far older than the bible.
FantasmaBAnco 2 months ago
@FantasmaBAnco Gotcha. Thanks for the update.
MrTablerunner 2 months ago
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IF U GUYS ARE AN ATHEIST WATCH MY VIDEOS OF TOM LEYKIS ASK THE ATHEIST ON MY CHANNEL THEY ARE VERY VERY FUNNY AND LOGICAL PERFECT FOR A ATHEIST
Arincon1940 3 months ago
Okay, read the Bible, know that EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS REAL, ESPECIALLY JESUS! EVIDENCE? I DONT NEED EVEIDENCE. you Shall see in the end at the second coming
noce8282 3 months ago
@noce8282 Has nobody told you that the 2nd coming has already occurred?
mentalphysicalism 3 months ago
@noce8282 So why is the Bible truth? There are many holy books. What makes the Bible the real one and all the others not?
Chaoitcme 3 months ago
good news of the birth, life, death and resorection of Jesus Christ in hopes that at least one person will take my words and do some open minded research not just in books or on the internet but in prayer and action to see if there might be some truth to the bible. Don't let others stop you from considering the posibllity of God and the words of Christ and praying about it. Whoever you are don't just accept what your senses can detect in this world. Men will let you down but not Jesus.
arecuk1 3 months ago
@arecuk1 I dont consider prayer to be a valid avenue of research, so... I'll just stick to (nonfiction) books and the internet.
Godless61 3 months ago
@Godless61 Prayer may not be research but neither is a book that says we may have evolved from something very hairy that lived in a tree. My most distant ancestor was a human being not an ancestor of an ape. ILL stick to the bible and prayer and God thank you. But If you choose to not accept God prior to death then I hope you are right about God not existing. I will take Jesus Christ over evolution any day.
arecuk1 3 months ago
@arecuk1
"but neither is a book that says we may have evolved from something very hairy that lived in a tree. My most distant ancestor was a human being not an ancestor of an ape"
And in those few words you have proved that you know absolutely nothing about evolution.
All human beings are just another species of ape.
Get your nose out of that fairy story book and educate yourself.
Pigdowndog 3 months ago
@arecuk1 Atheists are in good standing with god because god is an atheist. God knows that nobody created him and he wants you to know that you were were not created by anyone either.
mentalphysicalism 3 months ago
@mentalphysicalism I have to assume that this is some kind of attempt at humor, otherwise I have no clue what you are talking about. The God of the bible is real my friend as is Satan and heaven and hell, so I pray you seek him out before you die.
arecuk1 3 months ago
I have had many discussions with atheists through these videos about the existance of God and I specifially believe in Jesus Christ, and for the most part I usually get told im crazy, delusional, stupid and racist at times. Then there are the times when people want to use cuss words which I find sad and offensive personally reguardless of what people believe in. In the end I have not done a good job explaining why I believe in Christ as lord and savior, so I will instead spread the good, cont
arecuk1 3 months ago
Truth is not a democracy. It is not subjective. The default is always to doubt until proven true. However, the prevalence of evidence and completeness of the proposal adds weight. The nonexistence of God has a lot of evidence behind it, regardless of whether not it is the default position. This caller is a failure on all levels.
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
This is your brain on religion...do we need to say more?
oneznzeroz 3 months ago
I just slayed a Dragon in Skyrim, and I just defeated a God in God of War 3.
Worship ME caller.
bigredphenom 3 months ago
this should be called the laughable gullibles!!! very childish and pathetic claims!
madenew000 3 months ago
In ANY court of law, when someone makes an assertion or claim, it is up to the person making the claim to prove that claim. It is not up to anyone else to disprove their assertion or claim. That comes from something called....(drum roll, please!.....) LOGIC!
Amazing thing, ain't it!
politicoochie09 3 months ago
This guy seriously sounds like ShockofGod. I'm wondering if this call is what drove that moron to come up with that question that supposed proves that atheism is "madness"...
Nabiki73 3 months ago
@Nabiki73 if i wanted any lip from you i would pull down my zipper. i love how fuckin smug you are calling everyone a moron. you were apparently picked on your whole life now you hide behind a fucking youtube account.. don't piss me off or i will make you cry in front of everyone....... and like i said you are commenting on shit that's old as the hills.
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids And you're an internet tough guy too. Seriously, I'm laughing so hard right now that my drink is spraying out of my nose.
Nabiki73 3 months ago
@Nabiki73 yea it's real funny sometimes but maybe you can explain something to me. why is it perfectly okay to bag on someone for being a christian (i am not one lol) but i'm a dick if i say something racially challenging? that seems like a double standard to me. ya'll hate christians and it's cool, but if i think another race of people are are dumb as hell then i'm some kinda scum? do tell please.
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids I don't rag on people for being a Christian or member of any other religion. I rag on them for being ignorant jerks.. Racism is ignorance, and the sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
Nabiki73 3 months ago
these guys are so great. i almost feel bad for the callers. almost.
MegJ326 3 months ago
damnit why cant he just say disbelief ---- till proven
sosbarbie 3 months ago
The callers are getting dumber
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
why does this guy hate the irish?
deejayalemus 3 months ago
lol, the burden of proof on existence is to prove something does indeed "exist". it literally makes no sense to say something exists because you can't prove it doesn't.
tomitstube 3 months ago
@tomitstube btw you are older than my grandpa so it's clear we are going to have different views. but, you seldom find senior citizens who act immature as you. grow up pops
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids ~ uh huh, i'm "immature" for calling out your ignorant racism, you don't even know the color of the caller, but you're making racist remarks? that makes YOU the "dumbass". and thanks for clearing up you're not an atheist. it all makes sense now. idiot.
tomitstube 3 months ago
@tomitstube drink ur metamucil and go to bed gramps. you call me a cracker but you're watching an all white video. that's right, all white people. go watch a martin luther king video so something just quit trollin. much respect for the athiest community but none for you.i say i'm not racist, you call me a racist. i say i'm not athiest, you call me idiot.that is the definition of a fucking troll!!!!!!!!!!!!
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids tomits is right- you are a moron. Do humanity a favor and stop posting. We all get embarrassed and ashamed that you're part of our species.
Nabiki73 3 months ago
@Nabiki73 dude that post is older than your grannys underwear. stay out of my business you fucking troll if you're gonna comment do it within a few days of the post. me and the other dude are over it, why are you soooo late?
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids It's never a bad thing to make fun of morons. You're an ignorant racist prick, so please go play in traffic. America has enough idiots as it is.
Nabiki73 3 months ago
@Nabiki73 aaahahahhahahah i read your comments and EVERYONE on YOUR page is calling you a dumbass and a creeper!!! i'm glad i'm not alone when i say you need to lay it to rest weirdo.
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
@kottonmouthvids Wow, I'm getting insulted by a bunch of morons. Looks like you have 4 new friends- time for some Russian Roulette. Just do humanity a favor.
Nabiki73 3 months ago
this is like the 4th video in a row where the caller is a dumb black person. where are the intelligent white people so i can hear a good debate? just saying..... i am not racist but the blacks just can't articulate themselves.
kottonmouthvids 4 months ago
@kottonmouthvids ~ how do you know this guy is black dumbass? he sounds white to me. and you subscribe to alex jones...? glass houses cracker.
tomitstube 3 months ago
@tomitstube he may be white idk but many of the shows i've viewed do fit the description i was talking about. fyi i am not an athiest but matt dillahunty does have some great views. read the comments i am not the only one who feels this caller is a dumbass.
kottonmouthvids 3 months ago
This caller is such an idiot -.- no wonder he's a christian lol
ZackLivesAboveIt 4 months ago 6
i love how he pushes that button and cuts off those crazy fucks. And how stupid and uneducated this caller is.
Perfectangel70 4 months ago
The positive assertion is the one carrying the burden of proof, because the negative one cannot be demonstrated, since it is impossible to prove a universal negative. Therefore, to the question "Does God exist?" there is a positive answer, "Yes," or a negative one, "No", and the burden of proof falls on the positive, not the negative.
There are deist defences to this first postion, which, as Matt says, is the default. But at least we can get that far.
puffin51 4 months ago
@puffin51 Thanx. Very good explanation that helped me get my head around this classic dispute. :-)
mjusiqtube 3 months ago
these 2 fuckers are ignorant. if they are up to arguing this shit with me, please by all means visit my channel. leave a comment, i will respond. all these 2 are trying to do is backpeddle from questions they cant answer.
wallace3542 4 months ago
@wallace3542 If you had any intellectual honesty in you, you would provide evidence for the claims of 'ignorance' and 'back-peddling' and present them here.
thomaseshuis 4 months ago
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wow!
benaberry 4 months ago
I am not Irish, nor have I ever BEEN Irish!
mrlegendaryinc 4 months ago 23
@mrlegendaryinc
I was Irish once for a day, I didn't like it and went back to being non-Irish the very next day.
aegisgfx 3 months ago
Theist have to prove the non-existence of the God-eliminating device, the anti-god black hole, the transcendant god-eater puppy, the God-obliterator bomb that nuke God's ass, the ultimate Goddestroyer robot, etc, etc, etc. because by their logic all of these exist until disproven, and if at least 1 of them exist, God doesn't exist. Shifting the burden of proof to us makes disproving God a lot easier.
AndrusPr8 4 months ago
No one defines God on this show so no wonder no one answers the questions logically."I believe in a God but I do not know what that God is" is obviously an absurd proposition. If the definition of God had evolved to become "the organizing principle of the universe" whatever that may be, would they still call themselves Atheists and fight against the idea of God?
MacksPower75 4 months ago
@MacksPower75 The majority of people that call the show are Christians or believe in a personal god. When they actually get into more in-depth conversations, they do make the person define their god before discussing.
The issue in this video isn't the caller's god. It's the caller's inability to grasp basic epistemology, so their definition isn't relevant.
devious21 4 months ago
@devious21 What I was trying to point out was that Atheism appears to be a reaction to the historically loaded word "God" and all of it's connotations more than it is a resistance to what that word may really represent, which to me is a wonderment of why we exist at all and an attempt to subjectively understand what exactly that may entail, in other words why order exists instead of randomness and chaos, that is what motivates me to try to understand what exactly the word God represents.
MacksPower75 4 months ago
@MacksPower75 That's understandable. But keep in mind, you're the minority.
To most other people (including the majority of callers in this show), "God" is the god of Mount Sinai or handful of other gods. To most people, God is the god of the bible or some other religious text.
While the pantheistic (pardon me if you're not) god you are describing is very interesting, most common debates are dealing with the gods of major religions.
On the other hand...
devious21 4 months ago
@devious21 I understand that, it is just that if you are going to logically argue about something it is best to do it against something that approaches logic or you are not going to challenge yourself. I like that they try to get people to challenge their beliefs but it would be nice if they challenged their own views, they might do that but it is not apparent on this show. As far as pantheism goes it is just another meaningless term meant to pigeonhole an idea, make it safe, sterile.
MacksPower75 4 months ago
@MacksPower75 "I understand that, it is just that if you are going to logically argue about something it is best to do it against something that approaches logic"
It sounds like you are implying atheists should CHOOSE a more challenging position to hold. While I agree MOST claims for god are intellectually lazy, we have to hold the position of atheism for THOSE claims. As Atheists, we disbelieve their claims. Claiming to be theist just for the challenge would be dishonest.
devious21 4 months ago
@devious21 I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I am not saying to claim to be a theist if that is not what you believe. I was pointing out that on this show it is usually a logical point of view vs an emotional belief. They both end up talking past each other because they are coming from entirely different constructs. My view is the show would be more constructive for atheists and theists if they had more theist callers who were less emotional and more logical about their beliefs.
MacksPower75 4 months ago
@MacksPower75 " show would be more constructive for atheists and theists if they had more theist callers who were less emotional and more logical about their beliefs."
I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, they can't force those people to call in.
They do call in from time to time. There was the 'TAG' episode that was more interesting than most these arguments.
Unfortunately, this kind of caller is the majority. You can see it on the show, in real life and even on youtube comments.
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@MacksPower75 "As far as pantheism goes it is just another meaningless term meant to pigeonhole an idea, make it safe, sterile."
Could you elaborate on this? It's a label for a belief so that we can communicate it to each other. Why do you believe it's been pigeonholed?
devious21 4 months ago
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@MacksPower75 "Atheism appears to be a reaction to the historically loaded word "God""
This statement implies that you think Atheism has a knee jerk reaction to the label of God. If not, I apologize.
But to be clear, if you say that universe is complex and I label that god, then I'm not an atheist towards the universe. I believe the universe exists. I just don't see a need to call it god.
If you claim any supernatural gods exist, I'm an atheist until there is sufficient proof.
devious21 4 months ago
the real question is
is there a universal creator and can a human communicate with it?
in this case ... What is God?
WolfEyesatNight 4 months ago
I'm an atheist, I'd rather believe in dragons than in "God". Because dragons are cool and symbolic to me.
locsaretheshit 4 months ago 24
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AND we know reptiles exist.
berniebay 3 months ago
@MrArpas123 Do you really think that made sense? Un-belief means you believe? I guess since you don't make sense that means you make sense...so good job, or bad job, or something exactly the opposite of what you think it means.
rrpostalagain 5 months ago
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rrpostalagain 5 months ago
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Love is an intangible feeling that connects us and the ultimate love is demonstrated for something we don't see. Our love for an intangible being we call God allows us to overcome our fears, our hate and our selfish instincts. How's possible that kind of love exists? It can only exists because we sense that we are part of something bigger than us, something that transcends reason. We were created to love and millions have given their lives for this love. Keep this love alive and live the kingdom
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
this is like the gathering of the idiots atheists and thiests alike
codyaustinpemberton 5 months ago
@codyaustinpemberton what makes you say that ?
ThinkerResearcher 5 months ago
@codyaustinpemberton what makes you say that ?
ThinkerResearcher 5 months ago
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
i wasn't being sarcastic.
xBLOODBAFx 5 months ago
for some reason, today i'm feeling happier and better than i did in years..
it started when i was just clearing my mind to calm down.
i'm not even kidding. it was a really good feeling,i think it maybe a positive onset of psychosis? i'm talking about unexplained spontaneous combustion of happiness xD i'm going to go feed a stray kitten now.
xBLOODBAFx 5 months ago
I don't believe in Leprechauns not only because there is negative evidence for it there is positive evidence they do not exist. Now where is the positive evidence God does not exist? (comment inspired By Dr. Craig) :)
RedSun875 5 months ago
@RedSun875 What positive evidence is there that they don't exist? I could bring up the Invisible Pink Unicorn which is intangible in every sense possible. It is theoretically disprovable(much like your g-man).
orgocimaru 5 months ago
@orgocimaru The positive evidence is we can go all around Ierland and see there are no Leprachauns. :)
RedSun875 5 months ago
@RedSun875 What about the Invisible Pink Unicorn? Can you PROVE it doesn't exist? Betcha ya can't. ;)
orgocimaru 5 months ago
@RedSun875 And if that's your positive evidence, likewise, my positive evidence is that in my 22 years on Earth, I have yet to see any Sky-Daddy stroking his mythical beard. Hmm, strange innit?
orgocimaru 5 months ago
@orgocimaru Being I dont worship a sky daddy with a beard I dont see a problem. :)
RedSun875 5 months ago
@RedSun875 Look at how evasive you are, refusing to answer the questions. How typical of a religious person. Pathetic, really.
orgocimaru 5 months ago
@orgocimaru If your question has a false basis there is no answer for it. As I said, I don't believe in your discription of God in your absurd question. Try asking a decent one.
RedSun875 5 months ago
@RedSun875 How is the question absurd? I am assigning characteristics to a character(which may or may not be fictional by your logic) that mirrors that of your deity. It is hypocritical of you to dismiss my "deity" on grounds of absurdity yet accept yours despite the lack of evidence to disprove and/or prove the existence of either one.
Just because books written in the Iron Age are taught as the gospel truth every week doesn't make them true. I'm done here. Your stupidity is painful.
orgocimaru 5 months ago
@orgocimaru My anser to you is simple. Point out where I stated I believe in a bearded man in the sky... you do not know what my description of God is and also I believe willfully put out this crazy analogy for entertainment value alone.
RedSun875 5 months ago
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@RedSun875 So, while yes orgocimaru was being slightly silly (hey i appreciated the beared sky-daddy comment) the question still is. What type of God do you believe in? Define him and we will gladly show you why there is no acceptable evidence (acceptable by scientific standards which is based around our understanding of reality) for that God. First, we have to prove that God even exists and then we have to prove a specific one. How can we even begin to narrow down the field of deities?
ToiletBomb 5 months ago
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@RedSun875 I went around the whole earth and I see no God. That still isn't positive evidence.
What if they were moving just behind where the search team was. I also find it patently absurd that you dismissed orgocimaru's question based on the beard. Lol, yea thats the most important aspect of it. I'm sorry but there are two categories for God, the one's that have been put forward are logically self refuting. If on the other hand the God makes no changes here then who cares, he's worthless
ToiletBomb 5 months ago
I believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
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pompousprick 5 months ago
I would suggest that putting racism into your argument will get you nowhere especially with me, because I could care less about skin color. I look for consistency in people as in doing what they say they will, showing respect to others and just doing what is right. That is my bottom line. I also know that my argument will not be listened to by many just as many heard Christ talk but did not listen to what he said. Everyone can believe what ever they want but I know there is a God.
arecuk1 5 months ago
I believe that you should have a balance between teaching about a creator - God and Evolution to all children so that both ideas are presented and the people can decide for themselves. What is your definition of many Christians because while there are some racists who are Christians many of us could care less about race. I had no choice when I was taught evolution was that fair? But no you should not be forced to learn either but if you teach one you should teach both. My pastor is mixed race.
arecuk1 5 months ago
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in science class science must be tought. God and evolution are not the same sides of a coin. Thats why people want to get "inteligent design" tought in schools, which we all no is just creation in a different name.
You should not have a choice in what you are tought. What is real is what is tought, not what you want to believe. Is it fair i had to be tought that slavery existed? I didn't want to know it happened so i shouldn't have been tought it.
OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp 5 months ago
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@arecuk1
in science class science must be tought. God and evolution are not the same sides of a coin. Thats why people want to get "inteligent design" tought in schools, which we all no is just creation in a different name.
You should not have a choice in what you are tought. What is real is what is tought, not what you want to believe. Is it fair i had to be tought that slavery existed? I didn't want to know it happened so i shouldn't have been tought it.
OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp 5 months ago
@nebula25x You are funny
pompousprick 5 months ago
Default position depends on the claim. Is it a reasonable claim?
Quit straw manning with the leprechauns, dragons, FSM etc. It's moronic.
pompousprick 6 months ago
@pompousprick Do you know what the word "analogy" means? The reason Matt and Russell brought those examples up were to make an analogy in order to point out to the caller how his arguments are incorrect. It sounds like you could use more education.
Nabiki73 5 months ago
@Nabiki73 The analogy, smartass, is a misrepresentation.
We all. including you, have belief without evidence.
pompousprick 5 months ago