actually never mind, no matter what the car is, im sure the owners love thier cars, as long as they love them, then i dont see a reason to criticize them. even though these cars are not ideal to me, im sure these owners love thier cars and i respect that. i mean i know how its like too put your blood and sweat into the car and then have some asshole say its a piece of crap/ its not right, and i appologize for talking crap, i am sure these cars mean alot to you guys. just like my car, i luv it :)
actually now that i think about it, both of these cars are pretty crappy lol. both are designed to be front wheel drive, GSX is front wheel drive setup with a crude rear wheel drive system added to it. one thing going for the eclipse is that it looks pretty good sports like. but both are pretty crappy cars. though i do respect the ethusiasts that love these cars, theyre just like me, they love thier cars and thats understandable. but for me im never going back to civic or eclipse.
@WillyPhister know nothing about dsm's? lol son i know probably more then you ever will, even though i dont own one anymore. i had a 6 bolt 1st gen. i know nothing about dsms? okay, can you say:"crankwalk" or "clogged hydralic lifters" or "cyclone intake manifold" any of this ring a bell!! lol??? lolllll i wonder if you even got a clue what im refering too, without having too google it lol
11.8 thats a dam good run dude. ill be having my 97 awd talon on the road this summer with a buschur stage 3 block and head im looking to have it run atleast a consistent 11.5 as a somewhat DD car
so you buy a honda, build a motor, swap the motor, and turbo it...?
so you buy a dsm, build a lsx, swap the motor and awd from a silverado ss, turbo it. and run em.
then you have an apples to apples race.
you only gotta drive a dsm once and you're hooked. they're just genuinely fun to drive. and even bone stock they have enough power that you're gonna be faster than most everybody on the road. whats up with hondas not having a console? i want somewhere to rest my arm man.
u know wut that civics run should be disqaulified...due to its not the original engine..um all dsms original engine 4G63....thats the thing i dnt like bout honda, u gotta swap the motor to become any kind of threat and then boost it.....jus complain to honda and ask for a boosted car......DSM FTMFW
umm im a dsmer and a stock 4g can hold 30psi...but not very long but thats its max. but name a car that can hold 30 psi on stock internals long...none
boost vs. na i just don't see the comparison. not to mention that honda probably has a stock b series. put that dsm boost against another honda b,h,or better yet k series on boost and then well talk money on money dsm is one of my favortie cars out there too but you can't say you beat hondas all day cause you haven't put it up to the task with a well though out build k series turbo charge honda.. i'm not hatin i'm lo=ving
yea i agree with you but i bet the dsm has STOCK internals thats the beauty of the motors they are pretty beefy and can handle alot. a honda probably no more than 7 pounds.
@mtchu736 A Hona motor can actually handle up to 13 psi on a stock b series. K motors can handle 25+ on stock internals. A 4g63 with stock internals cant handle 25+ psi. Awsome motors tho, but as 27rdc5 said, both can have potential. id like to see any 1 run up against CFT's boosted FWD cars lol. All of their civics are in the low to mid 9 second range.
a built 4g63 can handle 85+ psi =) brent rau has an eclipse, i'd like to see CFT's FWD cars go up against his civic... high 6's in the quarter.. top that
@mrh20082008 Nobody has ever ran 85 psi on a turbo..you sir are full of SHIT. And actually the worlds fastest civic ran a mid 6, rear wheel drive. Type in 6 second civic and you shall see, fool.
oh, so brent rau's eclipse isnt at 86 psi? and he isnt shooting for 100+ psi? and all the turbo diesel tractor pull trucks that run 100+ psi arent really running 100+ psi? you sound like a moron when you post without knowing wtf your talking about, and that civic doest have a civic engine, its a NSX engine, brent rau's eclicpse is a 2.0 4g63 head and blocked, not bored, not stroked 350 hp per hole, learn your shit before you post... you just got schooled
@mrh20082008 Schooled?? LOL Not even close to being "schooled" It doesnt matter it the motor was swapped. Obviously the 4g63 isnt even close to stock. The civic yes has an C30A engine in it, but what does that matter? Honda engines are shitty right? LOL. And have you ever been in a diesel pickup? No diesel pickup sits passed 26 psi, because of the way the fuel is used. Why do you think Diesel pickups have shit for horsepower but amazing torque? Its not from the turbo lol, idiot.
i agree with the 81psi thing, that much boost isnt even achievable realistically in that size of head...just think, theres regular shop air compressers with tanks that would EXPLODE with that kind of pressure, but ya, vid title says low boost, wich in my book is under 20lbs and ya, you can run 10's with under 20psi but not on a stock setup, if you got airflow, fuel, timing and tune you can run 10's with 18psi....just do some searching for run 10's with a 16g turbo. awd drop a second good driver.
@liquidz28 asshole you did not state theres "some" air compressors that will explode at 80psi
and what the hell kinda compressor is that, 80psi? exploding? were talking about car performance here, no performance shop would ever use 80psi, thats not enough to run a impact gun, or anything else
@e320e98u@e320e98u my painting comp. runs 60psi on 3 tanks for more airflow..
its called HVLP you really shouldnt flame untill you have your facts straight, makes you look like a dipshit, not every shop is a performance shop. you take my post and think you know exactly what i am talking about, allmost like you diddnt even think about the post before you got all nerdraged...
@mrh20082008 Dont get me wrong, i love eclipses, let alone the 4g63 engine, its an amazing motor indeed. But your a fuckin idiot if you believe someone is boosting their motor with 85 psi lol. The most i have ever seen from that motor was 62 psi and he was running at 1400+ hp to the motor. With 1400+ AWD he should be in the top fuel dragster status lol. That Civic with the C30A is only runnin at 36 psi and it ran a 6, RWD at that and it would outlaunch that car.
sir, pleas do me a favor, in your youtube search bar, type "brent rau never give up" and watch the first vid, brent might be the owner of the car you mentioned, he's at 2250 ft-lbs and 1400 hp, 86 psi at 11k rpm, fastest in the 1/4 is 6.8 last i saw, he may be faster now and he's going for 100 psi in his 2.0 4g63.. he went to 7 out of 8 NHRA events in 07 and they put weight in his car and restricted his turbo size, and he still placed 1st in all 7, watch the vid and take a look at his PCS logger
DSMers dont waste their fucking time and money with N/A. There is a reason the 4g63 block is all iron and thats so it can handle BOOST. You can waste money building an all motor lawn mower that still only runs 14s
not to burst your bubble I love DSMs but building a nice NA car is great too. It takes great skill to make an N/A fast anyone can up the boost and get power. The reason why well built hondas are fast is because they have been built to make nice power NA. When you ad boost there technology really shines through. Only bad part is it FWD and gets stolen too much.
@buddah463 Ignorant ass comments like that make you look like a jackass. Yes the 4g63 is an awsome motor, but use your fucking head. That Civic was barely behind that eclipse, so it more then likely ran a mid to high 12 all motor. Stock vs stock a B18C1 hatch vs a GSX, the GSX would loose. I love DSM and hondas, but retarded ass statements saying that built D/B/H/K series hondas run 14's comes from a uneducated kid. a Stock k20a hatch runs low 13's, stock motor. Stock GSX runs 15.3 man, cmon.
@buddah463 Oh and another thing. The owner of this DSM also has a Boosted civic, and it runs better times then the GSX. Unlike you he has respect for both type of cars as i can see. You should learn to do the same.
Man preach to somebody who gives a shit...I will take the dsm awd drivetain over Honda wrong wheel drive any day of the week. I will take a boosted 4g63 over any d,b,k series any day of the week. The 4g63 iron block can take tons of boost i cant say the same for the stock sleeved hondas motors.
@buddah463 There you go with your uneducated bullshit. Yes its an iron block, but that doesnt meen the pistons wont give out. A 4g63 stock bottom end can handle up to 18 psi and safely driven. Block is strong, but the rods arnt. A single cam d series can handle up to 13 pounds safely, b series as well. A k20 has actually been proven, and you can look it up as well, to handle 32 psi on a stock block. Not for a hell of a long time ofcourse, but it can. So before you start talking shit, research.
stop preaching to me man i know more than you will ever forget in your life time so back off. A stock rebuild 6 bolt 4g63 i have seen run 20+psi of boost and well over 400 whp on stock internals. Cant say ive seen too many hondas live to tell that same tale
@dylanluver93 400 whp LOL. 20+ psi on a stock block wont last long on a 4g63 stock internals. ive seen 310 whp daily driven, but not 400+ kiddo. Even the 1g rods wont handle that much, specially not the 2g. Oh and use your head, a stock k20a2/z1 can handle 30 pounds..hmm lets see, alrdy stock your lookin at 185-190 fwhp on a kmotor, so slap on a t3/t3 57 trim safely driven at 20 psi your looking well over 390 fwhp, so im not sure why your trying to prove me wrong when i have seen this before.
i have respect hondas, but you cant compare a civic to an awd turbo eclipse im sorry...
ones a piece and the other is a beast...
i used to own a b18 swaped del sol, after i dumped about 4 grand into it doing the swap and buying bolt-ons i still got walked by my brothers near stock 91 tsi
@RubberDuckieXcore A near stock Tsi lol. Well sorry to hear but i call bullshit, you dont spend 4 grand into bolt ons. Maybe 600 bucks for bolt ons. A "near stock" Tsi will run 15.2 on stock boost, with higher boost it will run 14's. I highly doubt you had B18, and if it was it was probably a stock B18A1, not a GSR lol
are you serious? Im glad you think you know more about my car than i do...And can you read? i didnt say i spent 4k on just boltons, most of that money went into doing the b18c1 swap, with the left over cash a bought dc headers, megan racing catback(no cat) cold air intake...and i still got walked by a talon with only a apexi catback and an aftermarket intake filter(still used stock maf and intake pipe)
how bout u let ur friend do the sh!t talking then cuz ur car obviously cant beat him. and how bout he race a fully built dsm then.. ever hear of the worlds fastest 4 cylinder? its a dsm 4g63t power b!tch the turbo on that thing could suck in a v8 and sh!t out ur little honda u bought from the trailer park
Ferrea Valve stem seals 3 angle valve job Borg Warner internals 38mm internal waste gate Stainless steel braided oil feed and return lines Extreme Motorsports MBC Greddy Type S BOV 16psi of boost RNR 3 turbo back exhaust O2 eliminator High flow cat Bullet muffler
I really enjoying reading all the bashing between hondas and DSMs. I will say I am very glad to own one of each right now. Near 500 hp turbo civic, and in the process of building a monster gsx from the ground up.
yesterday i went to the track and saw a na 4cyl eclipse hit mid 14...yeah right. in ur dreams... that shit can't even do that time na. hondas do that N/A EASY! NOW WHAT, JEALOUS!
if you have a 6 bolt 4g63 then you have one of the most reliable most sought after turbo engines in the world. the 7 bolt 4gs ruined the reputation. if you like evos there engine blocks are 4gs as well. but you also have to know how to actually take care of an engine in the first place. and you cant throw a massive turbo on a stock engine and expect it to run (fucking) awesome!
I love how every single car race vid always turns into an arguement.
Halfwitnoob, you must teach me where you get your facts from. The only reason they have a reputation for breaking down is because they're one of the only cars that have a reputation for easily being able to put out over DOUBLE their original HP on a stock motor.
consumer reports my friend, its said that 4/10 eclipses will have electrical/mechanical problems within their first 2 years of being driven STOCK!
and pretty much any car can double its horsepower with a turbo so eclipses arent anything special, a turboed ford taurus wagon could be just as fast or faster than any eclipse
LMAO you know nothing do you. "and pretty much any car can double its horsepower with a turbo" LMAO... no, dsms come STOCK with a turbo dumb ass. lol... I've had my TSI for a couple years now, broke 600hp last week, never had any problems with it... so what rust pile are you driving?.
what kind of internals are you running to hold 600hp? u use it as a daily driver? lol i had a built engine in my old talon with a pte 50 trim, tuned for 380whp daily driver
my bad, I meant to type 500hp anywho, it was stock a 95 ESI (WEAK) swapped it with a GSX, anywho heres a list of mods: Eagle 100mm crank (2.3L) Manley I beam "turbo tuff" rods Wiesco Pistons (+.020") Clevite bearings Balance shaft removed FP Comp Cam 2 cams(272s) Topline Revised Lifters Brian Crower Springs Brian Crower Titanium retainers Ferrea Valve Locks
agree with 99eclipse...and have fun throwing rods through those piece of shit aluminum honda blocks. dont get mad cause you know the truth...HONDAS FUCKING SUCK.
lol. Fucking Hondas, they sound annoying as shit. I would love to see the race again but on high boost, and the DSM actually launching. DSM gave him the hit, and still shit all over him. DSM > "vtec" all day long. And to the dude saying boost a D16 and beat a GST, yeah, maybe a stock one. But, freemod the GST, and Evo III 16G it and then who's left in the dust? Yeah. The Honda. Man up and admit, they both have their pros and cons. No car is perfect.
Agreed, have fun crank walking and blowing intercooler piping...and having belts squeeling all the time... Honda ftw. durability over tons of power that breaks..oh wait...honda usually making more power ont he same turbo anyways..so...all in all..dsms are shit..they're like strippers you gota throw money at them to get em to do anything
the only reason hondas make more power on same turbo is because of comp ratio.and on stock motors a dsm will take the win.....reason stock dsm's can handle a shit ton of boost. stock honda. nothing over 10psi.
Lmao that was funny. Don't get me wrong there can be fast Honda's if you do it right, but that Honda didn't stand a chance! I mean no disrespect or anything, but even though you had kinda a bad start you still kicked his ass out of the dig! Nice race man!
no.. wtf are YOU talkin about...lmao.. go read a book on hondas you dumb shyt..lol.. anyways.. hondas & mitsubishis are nice...but all dsm got is awd.. i seen plenty of evosz, talons, n eclipse.. leave off da line hard.. but don't get me wrong..hondas got crazyass topend.. so they end up katchin up
wtf r u talkin about.. umm i thought honda came from racing... umm like formula 1 cars.. ye riight.. sure.. hondas are onlii for gas mileage.. what planet are you frum brick 4 brains?.. i have a 98' gsx un 18 psi... and i know for a fact that if i didnt have AWD.. i would b screw by hondas all day... just fukin admitt it.. you prolly don't even have a fuckin car
Look at my vids you jackass, A CIVIC IS NOT A FUCKING RACE CAR DUMBASS. They where designed around fuel economy not performance. I dont see any vids of this gsx(pry doesnt exist) and even gst will still shit on hondas all day long. Go fuck yourself and have a nice day.
he right bout the civic they really werent made for racing thats y they dont even have 100hp at wheels its bout the fuel, they just soo popular that u can turn them into racing machines, im not a honda guy though im a mitsu guy, but civics originaly were not made for racing
he may be right about the civic but Etah2n ur wrong bout the 100 to the wheels how bout stock K20A Spec R 210 to the wheels N/A not boost u boost a SOHC D16Y8 or Z6 and u run it on 8psi itll shit all over a GST, now if ur gunna run N/A to N/A i want to see a Civic Si with equal Drivers vs any Ecilpse I-4 vs each other im possitive that the Si will leave him in the shitter... but the funny thing is how u say hondas arent ment for racing but is ur Mitsu ment for it either i dont think so...
Eclipse gsx was built as a luxury sport compact car. It was not based around fuel economy. They make excellent autocross and rally cars. And everyone knows they kick ass at the dragstrip, they are a hell of alot closer to a race car than any honda is.
actually never mind, no matter what the car is, im sure the owners love thier cars, as long as they love them, then i dont see a reason to criticize them. even though these cars are not ideal to me, im sure these owners love thier cars and i respect that. i mean i know how its like too put your blood and sweat into the car and then have some asshole say its a piece of crap/ its not right, and i appologize for talking crap, i am sure these cars mean alot to you guys. just like my car, i luv it :)
e320e98u 3 months ago
actually now that i think about it, both of these cars are pretty crappy lol. both are designed to be front wheel drive, GSX is front wheel drive setup with a crude rear wheel drive system added to it. one thing going for the eclipse is that it looks pretty good sports like. but both are pretty crappy cars. though i do respect the ethusiasts that love these cars, theyre just like me, they love thier cars and thats understandable. but for me im never going back to civic or eclipse.
e320e98u 3 months ago
@e320e98u lol you clearly know nothing about DSM's do you?
WillyPhister 2 months ago
@WillyPhister know nothing about dsm's? lol son i know probably more then you ever will, even though i dont own one anymore. i had a 6 bolt 1st gen. i know nothing about dsms? okay, can you say:"crankwalk" or "clogged hydralic lifters" or "cyclone intake manifold" any of this ring a bell!! lol??? lolllll i wonder if you even got a clue what im refering too, without having too google it lol
e320e98u 2 months ago
honda people are so dumb and poor
TheIncest 7 months ago
@TheIncest no...you're right about honda ppl being dumb, but DSM ppl are the poorest of the land lol, still <3 my dsm tho
josieonetoothh 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! did anybody else LOL when that civic took off?
juechter 7 months ago
and thats why i love my 99 GSX hehe :D
sejfiu100 10 months ago
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sejfiu100 10 months ago
Damn good looking eclipse. Filthy numbers!
fiveironfrenzy1 1 year ago
DSM all the way
Kevin12152 1 year ago
GSX's fuckin rule...way better than honda's
Mrkoolaidman90 1 year ago
lol who would take a ricer to a track they know anything is gonna stomp it and puttin it up against an eclipse was over kill
fallensoldier5473 1 year ago
so that gsx was stock then??
sctflasher379 1 year ago
11.8 thats a dam good run dude. ill be having my 97 awd talon on the road this summer with a buschur stage 3 block and head im looking to have it run atleast a consistent 11.5 as a somewhat DD car
sk8rj514 1 year ago
wow if that was low boost i would like to see high boost.holy crap man.lol.you dusted that civic
Bamavol89 1 year ago
i never liked the sound of the hondas...they are good on gas tho lol
SuperBeatnuts 1 year ago
GSX is nice but tranny's are lame!!! GS-T is the way to go for the cheep-o
Bailey19Louie 1 year ago
civics suck, period lol, no matter how fast they are, they suck, i mean a honda civic=toyota corolla
e320e98u 1 year ago
@e320e98u
u on crack dude?
hmglor 1 year ago
@hmglor
had a few boosted civics back in the day, it was quick, still worthless shit
civic belongs with corollas, neons, ect..
e320e98u 1 year ago
hondas Blow..Racing a honda is like the special olympics, even if you win your still retarted.
jgrichardson69 1 year ago
@jgrichardson69
haha agreed, but not all hondas are retarted, civics mostly lol i mean honda makes some pretty serious superbikes, checkout cbr1000rr
e320e98u 1 year ago
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jgrichardson69 1 year ago
wow a GSX vs a gay ass hatch. it was obvious who was gonna be the winner
bobdolesux321 2 years ago
so you buy a honda, build a motor, swap the motor, and turbo it...?
so you buy a dsm, build a lsx, swap the motor and awd from a silverado ss, turbo it. and run em.
then you have an apples to apples race.
you only gotta drive a dsm once and you're hooked. they're just genuinely fun to drive. and even bone stock they have enough power that you're gonna be faster than most everybody on the road. whats up with hondas not having a console? i want somewhere to rest my arm man.
traviSS396 2 years ago 13
the only honda i will ever like the RSX type S but it must be turbo'd or else it just bad as all hondas
GSX99Eclipse 2 years ago
u know wut that civics run should be disqaulified...due to its not the original engine..um all dsms original engine 4G63....thats the thing i dnt like bout honda, u gotta swap the motor to become any kind of threat and then boost it.....jus complain to honda and ask for a boosted car......DSM FTMFW
Kenuwine24 2 years ago
lol at xtraordinary " nobody has ever run 85psi on a turbo" .. get a clue dumbass
thruarod 2 years ago
the eclipse is awd dumbass does any who hates on dsm know anything
subarupower04 2 years ago
lol honda makes me laugh, what a shit exhaust
wwefighterman2 2 years ago
civic was N/a...
usoofat 2 years ago
umm im a dsmer and a stock 4g can hold 30psi...but not very long but thats its max. but name a car that can hold 30 psi on stock internals long...none
Kenuwine24 2 years ago
both are FWD peice of shit
Omen6schecter 2 years ago
You are an idiot.
Rhinop21 2 years ago
lol hondas are so funny =)
xsniiperz 2 years ago
boost vs. na i just don't see the comparison. not to mention that honda probably has a stock b series. put that dsm boost against another honda b,h,or better yet k series on boost and then well talk money on money dsm is one of my favortie cars out there too but you can't say you beat hondas all day cause you haven't put it up to the task with a well though out build k series turbo charge honda.. i'm not hatin i'm lo=ving
27rdc5 2 years ago
yea i agree with you but i bet the dsm has STOCK internals thats the beauty of the motors they are pretty beefy and can handle alot. a honda probably no more than 7 pounds.
mtchu736 2 years ago
@mtchu736 A Hona motor can actually handle up to 13 psi on a stock b series. K motors can handle 25+ on stock internals. A 4g63 with stock internals cant handle 25+ psi. Awsome motors tho, but as 27rdc5 said, both can have potential. id like to see any 1 run up against CFT's boosted FWD cars lol. All of their civics are in the low to mid 9 second range.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
a built 4g63 can handle 85+ psi =) brent rau has an eclipse, i'd like to see CFT's FWD cars go up against his civic... high 6's in the quarter.. top that
mrh20082008 2 years ago
@mrh20082008 Nobody has ever ran 85 psi on a turbo..you sir are full of SHIT. And actually the worlds fastest civic ran a mid 6, rear wheel drive. Type in 6 second civic and you shall see, fool.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
oh, so brent rau's eclipse isnt at 86 psi? and he isnt shooting for 100+ psi? and all the turbo diesel tractor pull trucks that run 100+ psi arent really running 100+ psi? you sound like a moron when you post without knowing wtf your talking about, and that civic doest have a civic engine, its a NSX engine, brent rau's eclicpse is a 2.0 4g63 head and blocked, not bored, not stroked 350 hp per hole, learn your shit before you post... you just got schooled
mrh20082008 2 years ago
@mrh20082008 Schooled?? LOL Not even close to being "schooled" It doesnt matter it the motor was swapped. Obviously the 4g63 isnt even close to stock. The civic yes has an C30A engine in it, but what does that matter? Honda engines are shitty right? LOL. And have you ever been in a diesel pickup? No diesel pickup sits passed 26 psi, because of the way the fuel is used. Why do you think Diesel pickups have shit for horsepower but amazing torque? Its not from the turbo lol, idiot.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
i agree with the 81psi thing, that much boost isnt even achievable realistically in that size of head...just think, theres regular shop air compressers with tanks that would EXPLODE with that kind of pressure, but ya, vid title says low boost, wich in my book is under 20lbs and ya, you can run 10's with under 20psi but not on a stock setup, if you got airflow, fuel, timing and tune you can run 10's with 18psi....just do some searching for run 10's with a 16g turbo. awd drop a second good driver.
liquidz28 1 year ago
@liquidz28
an regular shop air compressor will not explode at 80psi, they operate at around 130psi some even go as high as 150psi
know what your saying before you speak
e320e98u 1 year ago
@e320e98u i DID say the word "some" l2 read before you flame dipshit
liquidz28 1 year ago
@liquidz28 asshole you did not state theres "some" air compressors that will explode at 80psi
and what the hell kinda compressor is that, 80psi? exploding? were talking about car performance here, no performance shop would ever use 80psi, thats not enough to run a impact gun, or anything else
get ur head outa ur ass
e320e98u 1 year ago
@e320e98u @e320e98u my painting comp. runs 60psi on 3 tanks for more airflow..
its called HVLP you really shouldnt flame untill you have your facts straight, makes you look like a dipshit, not every shop is a performance shop. you take my post and think you know exactly what i am talking about, allmost like you diddnt even think about the post before you got all nerdraged...
liquidz28 1 year ago
@liquidz28 apparently you been paintin too much, go get yourself checked out
e320e98u 1 year ago
@mrh20082008 Dont get me wrong, i love eclipses, let alone the 4g63 engine, its an amazing motor indeed. But your a fuckin idiot if you believe someone is boosting their motor with 85 psi lol. The most i have ever seen from that motor was 62 psi and he was running at 1400+ hp to the motor. With 1400+ AWD he should be in the top fuel dragster status lol. That Civic with the C30A is only runnin at 36 psi and it ran a 6, RWD at that and it would outlaunch that car.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
sir, pleas do me a favor, in your youtube search bar, type "brent rau never give up" and watch the first vid, brent might be the owner of the car you mentioned, he's at 2250 ft-lbs and 1400 hp, 86 psi at 11k rpm, fastest in the 1/4 is 6.8 last i saw, he may be faster now and he's going for 100 psi in his 2.0 4g63.. he went to 7 out of 8 NHRA events in 07 and they put weight in his car and restricted his turbo size, and he still placed 1st in all 7, watch the vid and take a look at his PCS logger
mrh20082008 2 years ago
start with a honda, and start with a DSM, put the same amount of money in both cars, DSM will win...
SPRTNGamingTV 2 years ago 2
that eclipe rally stupid .. his marking with 2 wheel vtec .. that eclipes is 4 wheel ringht ... what the fuckkk
themumm 2 years ago
wow. got smoked.double engine size fucker
rockthedrums4life 2 years ago
Wow that is a fast eclipse
acharris1991 2 years ago 11
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lilrichie88 2 years ago
your mother is slow.
purkata 2 years ago
boy you are really one stupid mother fucker.
purkata 2 years ago
wtf i bet you dont even own a car . dumbass
coonbandee 2 years ago
This guy is dumb.. STFU!!!
Ayeep4o1 2 years ago
Looks like you missed your 1-2 shift... good time though.
khmer04sti 2 years ago
cheer up honda owners.... at least VTEC is making good vacuum cleaners hahhaahah
prosrt 2 years ago
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lilrichie88 2 years ago
That's nice to hear,of course it isn't your own car. I know everybody knows someone with a faster you dumb Fu(k!
szewczyd 2 years ago
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lilrichie88 2 years ago
here you go: v=jlYEEDYCfzg
Soldier00 2 years ago
DSMers dont waste their fucking time and money with N/A. There is a reason the 4g63 block is all iron and thats so it can handle BOOST. You can waste money building an all motor lawn mower that still only runs 14s
buddah463 2 years ago 2
not to burst your bubble I love DSMs but building a nice NA car is great too. It takes great skill to make an N/A fast anyone can up the boost and get power. The reason why well built hondas are fast is because they have been built to make nice power NA. When you ad boost there technology really shines through. Only bad part is it FWD and gets stolen too much.
regcer 2 years ago
@buddah463 Ignorant ass comments like that make you look like a jackass. Yes the 4g63 is an awsome motor, but use your fucking head. That Civic was barely behind that eclipse, so it more then likely ran a mid to high 12 all motor. Stock vs stock a B18C1 hatch vs a GSX, the GSX would loose. I love DSM and hondas, but retarded ass statements saying that built D/B/H/K series hondas run 14's comes from a uneducated kid. a Stock k20a hatch runs low 13's, stock motor. Stock GSX runs 15.3 man, cmon.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
@buddah463 Oh and another thing. The owner of this DSM also has a Boosted civic, and it runs better times then the GSX. Unlike you he has respect for both type of cars as i can see. You should learn to do the same.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
Man preach to somebody who gives a shit...I will take the dsm awd drivetain over Honda wrong wheel drive any day of the week. I will take a boosted 4g63 over any d,b,k series any day of the week. The 4g63 iron block can take tons of boost i cant say the same for the stock sleeved hondas motors.
buddah463 2 years ago 2
@buddah463 There you go with your uneducated bullshit. Yes its an iron block, but that doesnt meen the pistons wont give out. A 4g63 stock bottom end can handle up to 18 psi and safely driven. Block is strong, but the rods arnt. A single cam d series can handle up to 13 pounds safely, b series as well. A k20 has actually been proven, and you can look it up as well, to handle 32 psi on a stock block. Not for a hell of a long time ofcourse, but it can. So before you start talking shit, research.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
stop preaching to me man i know more than you will ever forget in your life time so back off. A stock rebuild 6 bolt 4g63 i have seen run 20+psi of boost and well over 400 whp on stock internals. Cant say ive seen too many hondas live to tell that same tale
dylanluver93 2 years ago
@dylanluver93 400 whp LOL. 20+ psi on a stock block wont last long on a 4g63 stock internals. ive seen 310 whp daily driven, but not 400+ kiddo. Even the 1g rods wont handle that much, specially not the 2g. Oh and use your head, a stock k20a2/z1 can handle 30 pounds..hmm lets see, alrdy stock your lookin at 185-190 fwhp on a kmotor, so slap on a t3/t3 57 trim safely driven at 20 psi your looking well over 390 fwhp, so im not sure why your trying to prove me wrong when i have seen this before.
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
t3/t4 57 trim** Typo
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
i have respect hondas, but you cant compare a civic to an awd turbo eclipse im sorry...
ones a piece and the other is a beast...
i used to own a b18 swaped del sol, after i dumped about 4 grand into it doing the swap and buying bolt-ons i still got walked by my brothers near stock 91 tsi
i sold it and got a 95 gsx! boost>na anyday!!
RubberDuckieXcore 2 years ago 2
@RubberDuckieXcore A near stock Tsi lol. Well sorry to hear but i call bullshit, you dont spend 4 grand into bolt ons. Maybe 600 bucks for bolt ons. A "near stock" Tsi will run 15.2 on stock boost, with higher boost it will run 14's. I highly doubt you had B18, and if it was it was probably a stock B18A1, not a GSR lol
Xtraordinary70 2 years ago
are you serious? Im glad you think you know more about my car than i do...And can you read? i didnt say i spent 4k on just boltons, most of that money went into doing the b18c1 swap, with the left over cash a bought dc headers, megan racing catback(no cat) cold air intake...and i still got walked by a talon with only a apexi catback and an aftermarket intake filter(still used stock maf and intake pipe)
RubberDuckieXcore 2 years ago
i still have a billion pictures of my old del slow on my computer, so i'll be more than happy to email your retard ass some engine photos...
RubberDuckieXcore 2 years ago
how bout u let ur friend do the sh!t talking then cuz ur car obviously cant beat him. and how bout he race a fully built dsm then.. ever hear of the worlds fastest 4 cylinder? its a dsm 4g63t power b!tch the turbo on that thing could suck in a v8 and sh!t out ur little honda u bought from the trailer park
smutzyRuxpin 2 years ago 4
FO REAL YO VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO! YA BOI REAL TALK!
Did you get a chance to see Fast and the Furious 4 yet? I BET IT"S SICK YO FO REAL.
redvision350 2 years ago
yea i saw it man its pretty good i liked it it has alot of cation u know
lilrichie88 2 years ago
I really enjoyed this eclipse, if not for the window tint - I mean it is a pure sleeper.
and doing 11's goodness. Great work. keep it coming!
mustangwner2003V6 2 years ago
i dont think you got 11.8 on low boost. what is considered low boost to you 16psi?
garrett6699 2 years ago
lol changed transmition and alot. its not easy... (Well i'll admit i didnt do much, i stud and watched as my buddy did it, took like a month total)
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
oh, and its not daily drivin, i drive a 91 civic hatchback. so ya, I like civics as well. =P
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
Arospeed Intake filter
2.5 short route IC piping
FMIC ( 28 x 10.5 x 3.5)
255lph Extreme Motorsports fuel pump
RK Sport fuel pressure regulator
FIC 650cc injectors
Magnecor 8.5mm plug wires
NGK BPR7es plugs
SAFC
HKS turbo timer
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
I really enjoying reading all the bashing between hondas and DSMs. I will say I am very glad to own one of each right now. Near 500 hp turbo civic, and in the process of building a monster gsx from the ground up.
szewczyd 2 years ago
@szewczyd But you can't deny u can make a good 400 hp or more on a finely tuned internally stock DSM, try that with a honda...
epinero12 1 year ago
For a fully built motor, all supporting mods with a 60 trim, that is low boost.
szewczyd 2 years ago
18 pounds isnt low at all esspicallyy for and eclipse i see evo's runnin 14 pounds
StEViEBSi 2 years ago
Evo's run 19 psi from the factory
OneQuickFour 2 years ago
that honda sounded like my dirt bike. thats pretty sad to say when i drive an integra
emcpherson89 3 years ago
bullshit low boost my ass??
how low?
chaosflakes 3 years ago
18 pounds
szewczyd 3 years ago
18 pounds isnt that low...
but either way ur shit rapes
awd or rwd
its about as fast as my b20 turbo vtec if not a lil faster its in an ef soo yeah
chaosflakes 3 years ago
18 psi on a fully built 4g63 is not that much boost. It is a GSX so it was AWD, DSMs never came in rwd. I would like to see your civic do the same
szewczyd 3 years ago
How many psi and were you on racegas when you ran the 10.42?
Fubar231 3 years ago
yesterday i went to the track and saw a na 4cyl eclipse hit mid 14...yeah right. in ur dreams... that shit can't even do that time na. hondas do that N/A EASY! NOW WHAT, JEALOUS!
theredejvtec 3 years ago
if you have a 6 bolt 4g63 then you have one of the most reliable most sought after turbo engines in the world. the 7 bolt 4gs ruined the reputation. if you like evos there engine blocks are 4gs as well. but you also have to know how to actually take care of an engine in the first place. and you cant throw a massive turbo on a stock engine and expect it to run (fucking) awesome!
sk8rj514 3 years ago
that civic got owned lol
dansg20 3 years ago
I love how every single car race vid always turns into an arguement.
Halfwitnoob, you must teach me where you get your facts from. The only reason they have a reputation for breaking down is because they're one of the only cars that have a reputation for easily being able to put out over DOUBLE their original HP on a stock motor.
FAST is not CHEAP/RELIABLE
CHEAP is not RELIABLE/FAST
RELIABLE is not FAST/CHEAP
gdmbat85 3 years ago
consumer reports my friend, its said that 4/10 eclipses will have electrical/mechanical problems within their first 2 years of being driven STOCK!
and pretty much any car can double its horsepower with a turbo so eclipses arent anything special, a turboed ford taurus wagon could be just as fast or faster than any eclipse
halfwitnoob 3 years ago
hahahah "pretty much any car can double its hp with a turbo"
icantellfakefromreal 3 years ago
LMAO you know nothing do you. "and pretty much any car can double its horsepower with a turbo" LMAO... no, dsms come STOCK with a turbo dumb ass. lol... I've had my TSI for a couple years now, broke 600hp last week, never had any problems with it... so what rust pile are you driving?.
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
what kind of internals are you running to hold 600hp? u use it as a daily driver? lol i had a built engine in my old talon with a pte 50 trim, tuned for 380whp daily driver
1991TalonTSI 2 years ago
MeasonTreonas 2 years ago
You swapped a gsx motor into a 95 esi? OH REALLY?
szewczyd 2 years ago
can u guys stop complaining down there!! we all know ls1's are way more reliable and get 27 mpg and u can drow 28 psi on a stock set up
Saul0052 3 years ago
well eclipses maybe quick, but its a known fact that that they are the most unreliable pieces of shit ever invented. i would take a k20 ek anyday
halfwitnoob 3 years ago
and my fully built DD dsm would eat that poor thing alive =X
bluexvalor 3 years ago
agree with 99eclipse...and have fun throwing rods through those piece of shit aluminum honda blocks. dont get mad cause you know the truth...HONDAS FUCKING SUCK.
76vetteguy 3 years ago
Lol the key word eclits on boost and awd the honda na lol enough said.
bnasty244 3 years ago
lol. Fucking Hondas, they sound annoying as shit. I would love to see the race again but on high boost, and the DSM actually launching. DSM gave him the hit, and still shit all over him. DSM > "vtec" all day long. And to the dude saying boost a D16 and beat a GST, yeah, maybe a stock one. But, freemod the GST, and Evo III 16G it and then who's left in the dust? Yeah. The Honda. Man up and admit, they both have their pros and cons. No car is perfect.
1quikGsEx 3 years ago
OMG dsm's are nothing but a pile of shit i would take a honda ovr a dsm any day..
crazyserb88 3 years ago
..then I guess u really are crazy
99EclipseGSXBLaZeD 3 years ago
Agreed, have fun crank walking and blowing intercooler piping...and having belts squeeling all the time... Honda ftw. durability over tons of power that breaks..oh wait...honda usually making more power ont he same turbo anyways..so...all in all..dsms are shit..they're like strippers you gota throw money at them to get em to do anything
b00stedrust 3 years ago
the only reason hondas make more power on same turbo is because of comp ratio.and on stock motors a dsm will take the win.....reason stock dsm's can handle a shit ton of boost. stock honda. nothing over 10psi.
jeff92303 3 years ago
lolz...dsms are shit? but why would you want to steal its t25 turbo ?
GOBbluthagain 3 years ago
Couldn't have been on the T25....
or could it?
calcatchem 3 years ago
u talkin bout the stock turbo? hell no u aint doin 11.8 with that lil thing
2gbc 3 years ago
haha that civic was such a sleeper ud nvr expect that to even keep up or get out of the hole that fast
GD3Rico 3 years ago
Lmao that was funny. Don't get me wrong there can be fast Honda's if you do it right, but that Honda didn't stand a chance! I mean no disrespect or anything, but even though you had kinda a bad start you still kicked his ass out of the dig! Nice race man!
tehilor 3 years ago
WTF what is with all honda drivers thinkin their cars are fast? Hondas are built for fuel economy not for performance.
dipshit782 3 years ago
no.. wtf are YOU talkin about...lmao.. go read a book on hondas you dumb shyt..lol.. anyways.. hondas & mitsubishis are nice...but all dsm got is awd.. i seen plenty of evosz, talons, n eclipse.. leave off da line hard.. but don't get me wrong..hondas got crazyass topend.. so they end up katchin up
Str8shutemdown 3 years ago
Show me a fwd honda that was designed for performance. Fwd drive cars suck for racing because the suck at handling.
dipshit782 3 years ago
wtf r u talkin about.. umm i thought honda came from racing... umm like formula 1 cars.. ye riight.. sure.. hondas are onlii for gas mileage.. what planet are you frum brick 4 brains?.. i have a 98' gsx un 18 psi... and i know for a fact that if i didnt have AWD.. i would b screw by hondas all day... just fukin admitt it.. you prolly don't even have a fuckin car
Str8shutemdown 3 years ago
Look at my vids you jackass, A CIVIC IS NOT A FUCKING RACE CAR DUMBASS. They where designed around fuel economy not performance. I dont see any vids of this gsx(pry doesnt exist) and even gst will still shit on hondas all day long. Go fuck yourself and have a nice day.
dipshit782 3 years ago
he right bout the civic they really werent made for racing thats y they dont even have 100hp at wheels its bout the fuel, they just soo popular that u can turn them into racing machines, im not a honda guy though im a mitsu guy, but civics originaly were not made for racing
Etah2n 3 years ago
he may be right about the civic but Etah2n ur wrong bout the 100 to the wheels how bout stock K20A Spec R 210 to the wheels N/A not boost u boost a SOHC D16Y8 or Z6 and u run it on 8psi itll shit all over a GST, now if ur gunna run N/A to N/A i want to see a Civic Si with equal Drivers vs any Ecilpse I-4 vs each other im possitive that the Si will leave him in the shitter... but the funny thing is how u say hondas arent ment for racing but is ur Mitsu ment for it either i dont think so...
GD3Rico 3 years ago
Eclipse gsx was built as a luxury sport compact car. It was not based around fuel economy. They make excellent autocross and rally cars. And everyone knows they kick ass at the dragstrip, they are a hell of alot closer to a race car than any honda is.
dipshit782 3 years ago
Man fuck all your civics and mitsus... my Pinto will burn all your shit cars.... lol
rpatino6 3 years ago
Lol till someone runs into the back of it and it starts on fire.
dipshit782 3 years ago
hondas and there lawn-mower swaps..STICK 2 WHAT HONDAS WERE MADE 4!....SAVING GAS!!
99EclipseGSXBLaZeD 3 years ago
You see what happened Honda bitch? You have to go from a stop at the track
DSMer91 3 years ago
sorry to ask but how much boost are you running
assclone15 3 years ago
what brand rims are those?
95awdgsx 3 years ago
fucking nice launch man
xxraptor660xx 4 years ago
haha another dsm telling a honda you suck and even proving it lool
fitnessboyPR 4 years ago
Car enthusiasts will respect all makes and models that preform. Brand enthusiasts are the root of all problems in the car community
Mfoehrkolb21 4 years ago
I agree but the honda failed to "preform"
szewczyd 3 years ago
owned
Kenuwine24 4 years ago 2
LOL whats low boost on those things? like 30 psi?
boostedegsix 4 years ago
like 7psi, 30psi is high boost...
95awdgsx 3 years ago
Nice vid... Good time!! When you gonna post one with some real gas and not pump piss, so you can crank that boost.. what turbo you running?
wrongwheeldrivetsi 5 years ago
full weight and pump gas + low = 11.8 1/4 mile?? either way i like dis shit cuzz. keep puttin work on dem hondas cuzz
glocsta707 5 years ago
lmao
Paulyw86 5 years ago