Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
@samot8728 "What what part of our separation of church and state do you not understand"
-I love when retarded uneducated prop 8 opposing homo lovers use this Clause in their defense it makes them look retarded because Clause actually protects religion, who is interfering here? The government is, they are interfering out of their jurisdiction in matters of religion, which is the institution of marriage.
@thetruth6789 This "retarded" and "uneducated" opponent of prop 8 is an Ivy league educated law student. You are completely wrong. Constitutional interpretation is not up to you nor is it up to me, that is the job of our supreme court, which has yet to speak on the matter. The courts have however spoken in defense of the individual against the infringement of religion in cases involving atheists, school prayer and things like that.
@thetruth6789 The interpretation of seperation of church and state, is very clear in the Constitution, there is no need for the Supreme Court.
-"separation of church and state" is never explicitly stated in the constitution. Look for it and you will not find it, it is implied. And one of the constitutional roles of the supreme court is to interpret the constitution, please read the document before you make a fool of yourself.
@samot8728 I know for a fact you're not a "Ivy league educated law student", you don't even know the interpretation of the seperation between church and state Clause. You also think Prop 8 is unconstitutional, when gay marriage and the Judges who ruled in favor of Assembly Bill 19 were the ones who were unconstitutional, such as Mark Leno.
@thetruth6789 You can believe whatever you want about me. That is not my problem. The last judicial ruling on the matter states that Prop 8 is unconstitutional and until a higher court says otherwise that is what stands. That is how our legal system works.
@thetruth6789 marriage is not an institution of the church. While many religions give marriage a very important religious role, marriage is actually under the jurisdiction of the state. It is the state that provide us with a marriage license which we can then take to a priest, pastor, or whatever so that they can marry us. It is the state which grants married couples certain rights and privileges, not the church.
@samot8728 Exactly the separation of church and state, so why is the government interfering with matters of the church such as marriage, they are being unconstitutional dont you think? Homo supporters do not see this, most of them are ignorant and uneducated and don't even know what Prop 8 even stands for.
@thetruth6789 Religious institutions have the right to define and recognize marriage however they want, that is their constitutional right under the first amendment. But they can't tell the state how to define marriage. You keep repeating that people in support of gay rights are uneducated and ignorant yet all studies show that the more educated a person is the more socially liberal they tend to be. The most religious people in this country tend to be those with less years of schooling.
@samot8728 "Religious institutions have the right to define and recognize marriage however they want, that is their constitutional right under the first amendment"
-Indeed, so tell me why you want the government meddling in marriage, a institution which is out of their jurisdiction, marriage is governed by the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church and I don't remember them ever saying that homosexual marriage should be legal.
@thetruth6789 Catholics have the right to decide what they consider marriage or not, so do Anglicans, and so does any other religious body. The government cannot force a church to perforce a marriage. But we have something called civil marriage in this country and that is under the jurisdiction of the state not any church. Go back to whomever told you that marriage is controlled by a church and tell them they have lied to you.
@thetruth6789 civil marriage and civil unions are two very different things. Learn the law and then debate. Two people of the opposite sex can get a marriage license at their local court in every jurisdiction in this country without the need of a religious ceremony or approval of any church. It is that marriage license that actually grants you certain rights which married couples are entitled to.
@thetruth6789 "Civil marriages are only between a man and a woman, same sex civil marriages go against the Defense of Marriage Act, it is illegal under this act."
- Here is a fact for you: DOMA states that no state needs to treat as marriage a same-sex relationship considered marriage in another state. It does not prevent a state from making its own decisions of what is a valid civil marriage it simply gives a state the right to not recognize a same-sex marriage from another state.
@samot8728 You see how I provide facts and give you laws that actually refute everything you type, you on the other hand don't state facts and just like attacking me with childish insults.
@samot8728 "Two people of the opposite sex can get a marriage license at their local court in every jurisdiction in this country without the need of a religious ceremony or approval of any church"
-No they can not, you are also ignorant to current laws as well. In California Proposition 22 was passed and homosexual marriages were illegal under this law, but homosexuals kept pushing and pushing.
@thetruth6789 "No they can not, you are also ignorant to current laws as well. In California Proposition 22 was passed and homosexual marriages were illegal under this law, but homosexuals kept pushing and pushing"
- I suggest you read more carefully my comments. I was not implying that gay ppl can just go to a court and get a marriage license, I was talking about OPPOSITE SEX couples (str8) to clarify for you that civil marriage exists and needs to priest.
@thetruth6789 "-Civil marriages are not real marriages, and they do not provide any rights. Civil unions provide rights."
- Yea sure, and the source for that opinion you hold is? People get married by judges daily, str8 couples get REAL civil marriage licenses without going to a church all the time. THAT is the marriage that is recognized by our federal government. A priest cannot marry you without a marriage license from the state, ask any clergyman.
@thetruth6789 Every province of the Anglican communion is autonomous just to begin with so every province can decide what is marriage and what is not for their own religious purpose. But the Anglican's opinion of marriage has no legal binding on what our federal or state governments will decide what is marriage and what is not. You say that I attack you but you are the one who has been repeating the words "retard" and "ignorant' since the first comment.
@samot8728 The U.S. Episcopal Church nor the Anglican Church of Canada have the right to over ride the authority of the Anglican Communion. Furthermore, these same-sex marriages are not recognized by the Anglican Communion and are not entered into their registry.
@thetruth6789 "The U.S. Episcopal Church nor the Anglican Church of Canada have the right to over ride the authority of the Anglican Communion. Furthermore, these same-sex marriages are not recognized by the Anglican Communion and are not entered into their registry."
-You don't even know the nature of the Anglican Communion, it is not like that catholic church. There is no universal governing authority above the national churches. Canterbury has not real power outside of England.
@thetruth6789 btw, as a side not since you believe in the Anglican's authority to decide what is marriage and what is not. Two provinces of the Anglican Communion (the US Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada) do bless same-sex marriages in jurisdictions where such marriages are legal.
@thetruth6789 It does not surprise me that you are an anti-gay homophobic bigot, given that your channel has white supremacist written all over it. Hitler sent gays to concentration camp so I can see the correlation. Como Hispano que soy te digo que lo que tu tienes es un gran complejo de inferioridad y una necesidad muy grande de provar que eres mejor que el resto de la gente. Y te escribo en la lengua de Cervantes porque se que eres mexicano.
@thetruth6789 "I'm not anti-gay at all, nor am I homophobic bigot, and by you using those words you lose by default, all those ad-hominem attacks have no proof"
- I am simply describing what you have shone to be through your channel and the comments directed towards me. You have been unable to effectively counter any of my arguments regarding constitutional law. Have you even read the constitution? You make these assertions just out of nowhere.
@samot8728 What assertions have I made? You're the one who is making assertions out of nowhere of me, you have no basis or merit to call me a "bigot, anti-gay or homophobe".
@thetruth6789 You make this ridiculous assertions about our constitution and our legal system which could not be further from the truth. Please see a lawyer, judge or law professor so that you can learn something, or better yet read a book about or laws. Your attitudes towards gay marriage show that you are anti-gay. Not giving gays the same rights as everyone else is bigotry.
@samot8728 " Not giving gays the same rights as everyone else is bigotry"
-You see this is what you do not get, gays have the same right as any other couple, they can still enter civil unions, no one is taking the right to enter civil unions away from them. If you knew anything about matrimonial laws in the U.S., you would know that you are granted rights only from civil unions, marriage does not grant you any rights, this is just about homosexuals wantig to change the definition of marriage.
@thetruth6789 You don't understand marriage laws in this country. Civil unions don't always give you the same rights as civil marriage (I know you don't believe civil marriage exists but it does, go look it up and educate yourself on it). Furthermore, civil unions are granted at the state (not federal) level. Most state don't even perform civil unions for gay couples, many have state constitutional bans on even civil unions.
@samot8728 All states perform civil unions for homosexuals, you're ridiculous, stop making things up, here you are again making up fallacies to support your ignorant position on Proposition 8.
@thetruth6789 Get your facts straight. Your misinformation is ASTOUNDING. Civil unions are only performed in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin. 9 states out of 50, plus 6 more which perform gay marriage and 2 more which recognize it. That's 18/50 state giving same-sex couples marriage or marriage-like rights at the state level. Not nearly enough.
@samot8728 This video is about Prop 8, what state is proposing this proposition? California. Why are you bringing up other issues that have nothing to do with the topic of the video.
@thetruth6789 Marriage will some day be approved at the federal level, just like Canada, Spain, South Africa, Portugal, and a few other european countries. This is not a state issue. This is a human rights issue and you are on the losing side of this argument. Everyday more and more people support marriage equality.
I do recommend you inform yourself about marriage laws. You are probably not married b/c if you were you would know that you need to go to a court before a priest.
@samot8728 You can keep dreaming, but like I said a million times the U.S. Judicial System does not have the jurisdiction to change the definition of marriage. Furthermore the reason you go to a court before you get married is to enter a civil union, which all couples must enter to recieve rights and benefits under U.S. law.
@samot8728 This has nothing to do with human rights, homosexuals have the same rights as all couples, this is about homosexuals wanting to forcefully change the definition of marriage after thousands of years, that is fascism at it's pure definition.
@samot8728 You see homosexuals are anti-Christianity, anti-family and anti-heterosexual, they want to change the definition of marriage to include them so they can taunt us.
@thetruth6789 Homosexuals just want christians to mind their own business and let gays live their life. Within your church you can exclude whomever you want and marry whomever you want, but let the state decide what it considers marriage or not.
@samot8728 "Homosexuals just want christians to mind their own business and let gays live their life"
-That's awesome, but who is bothering them? They are the ones who are bothering Christians by forcing them to marry them, they are also forcing the government to change the sacred definition of marriage.
@thetruth6789 No one is trying to force a christian church to marry anyone. Gays want the government to marry them, just like everyone else. To be able to get a marriage license from the court just like str8 couples do everyday.
By the way, I see you have chosen to ignore certain facts I have sent you. What happened to your DOMA argument? Your Anglican assertions? My argument that the supreme court is the final authority in interpreting the constitution, a role explicitly stated.
@thetruth6789 "Everything you type I counter with facts, unlike your rebuttals which are all ad-hominem attacks with no facts or basis."
- You know very well that I have responded to every single one of your ridiculous assertions with facts which you chose to ignore b/c they don't fit your preconceived ideas of how our laws should be made.
@samot8728 I never said Separation of Church and State was in the Constitution. "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. "Separation of Church and State" is a legal and political principle as well.
@thetruth6789 you talked about the separation of church and state clause in the constitution. The concept is implied in the constitution and accepted, but there is no such clause. Furthermore, a letter written by Jefferson has no legal binding. What is written in our constitution, subsequent amendments, and court rulings are our laws, not letters written anyone.
@thetruth6789 This conversation has never been about california (at least not to me). I disagree with Prop 8, but I'm not form CA nor do I plan on moving there. If this was about CA, why did you bring up DOMA? That is a federal law, not a CA issue. Marriage equality needs to reach the federal level. Discrimination in this country should not be tolerated in ANY state, even if it's the Mormon theocracy of Utah.
@thetruth6789 I have been discussing gay marriage, Prop 8 is one aspect of the gay marriage debate. You are the one losing the argument since you have been ignoring all the arguments for which you have no facts to respond.
@samot8728 "Marriage equality needs to reach the federal level. Discrimination in this country should not be tolerated in ANY state, even if it's the Mormon theocracy of Utah"
-You can keep dreaming, keep hating, keep being ignorant and keep being anti-family and anti-heterosexual, but as long as I live I will oppose your form of bigotry
@samot8728 So you're not from CA, then why are you debating this? You don't even have the political power to change anything in California. This debate is over.
@thetruth6789 gay marriage is not about California. Gay marriage is about equality before the law (something else that is in our constitution). You can end this debate if you want. I understand that you simply can't really counter the arguments of someone who understand our laws and our constitution. Stick to your church, I'm sure you will find a more misinformed crowd there.
@samot8728 Indeed and the only people I see using the "separation of church and state" principle to say that Prop 8 is unconstitutional are the homosexual anti-Prop 8 protestors, even though that principle is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.
@thetruth6789 separation of church and state is not explicit in the constitution but it is implied and a recognized constitutional principle. I can see you are learning something about our constitution. A few mins ago you were arguing that separation of church and state was a constitutional clause until I pointed out that such a thing clause did not exist.
Why would we pack our bags? We are going to win eventually. This is a setback on a long journey and we have made progress in leaps and bounds over the past few years. I am thuroughly convinced that I will see not only this law but many others like it overturned within my lifetime. Its progress and while you may be able to slow it down you can never stop it.
I dream well of the day these assholes apologize for taking away our rights to pursuit of happiness. That day will come... but maybe it should have come sooner.
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As far as I can see, every human being is the restult of the union of a Man and a Woman. Can we keep it like that? I'd hate that either one of my parents had opted or turned against nature; I wouldn't been born. By the way, day without a gay was a very good idea, now, let's go for a year!
Off the wall. That denotes a deep and disturbing ignorance and misunderstanding of homosexuality. Are you aware (btw) that scientists can create a male egg and that egg can be fertilized by a male sperm? Look it up. It is a controversial science but it underscores the reality that we (male and female) are in all reality not nearly as different as we thought.
Lets get this straight peoples. STRAIGHT PEOPLE DONT CARE IF YOU GET MARRIED!!! Thats what California Family Code 297.5 (a) is for!!! What we do care about is our religion! That Code seperated religion so you can have in the same sense married with all the same rights!!! You are not going to force people to throw their beliefs in the fire. Some beliefs can bend, but this subject is harder than stone with religious people. You got the right. Get off your ass and exercise it.
Who the hell in their right mind would accept being segregated? No one. Civil unions are attempted to create a separate but equal institution, and that's why civil unions aren't up to par.
Ummmm, how is it segregated? If you are worried about separate but equal, then why are 99% of the restrooms separated as "Men and Women?" Thats separate but equal. Why are gays men and lesbians women? Thats separate but equal. Why do they make regular and diet sodas? Thats separate but equal. Stop playing the victim because I go on and on about other things we take for granted. Take what you can get and build from there. Stop looking for handouts.
Its not like that. Religions that are against gay marriage dont want it in their own churches. They dont bother others. The problem is if government passes something that is too broad. There needs to be exemptions so that it protects religious faiths that are against it. If the pass something like that, churches will be protected and everybody gets what they want. They key is to ensure protection of churches. If they are protected, then nobody can really say anything against gay marriage.
how does having a gay couple that you don't even know get married hurt you or your church in any miniscule way besides changing the definition of a word? because that's all you're hanging onto right now is a friggin definition.
Religions have their own rules that they abide by to please their Gods. If you are a Christian and gay, and you want to get married, you would be in violation of God's Law. If the church marries you, they will be sinners too. To force churches that are against it would be infringing on THEIR beliefs and RIGHTS to worship by their means. This is dead subject anyway. California has spoken. Take it like a man/woman and move on. People will vote the same the next time it comes around too.
Ha! I love the personification of "protection" in this ad. That's just how idiotic people sound when they say they're protecting the definition of marriage.
I heard a No on Prop 8 guest speaker on talk radio who happens to be a minister. She said in all her years of counseling straight married couples not a single one has ever come into her office and said, "Our marriage is falling apart because of the gay couple down the street."
How would the Prop 8 supporters vote if there was a movement to ban divorce?
The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believers life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). Therefore, it's distressing that the divorce rate among professing Christians is nearly as high as that of the unbelieving world.
To protect marriage we MUST put a stop to divorce! Why ignore God's hate for this practice any longer?
@thetruth6789 Wow, you comment on a year old post of mine, don't even bother to look up the passages that I referenced, and call me an ignorant fool. Re: what I said about the Bible and divorce, Malachi 2:16 says, '"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself [a] with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.' Re: what I said about reconciliation and forgiveness, look up Luke 11:4 and Ephesians 4:32. Christ, you must be bored...
I am not sure if you are aware but church and state in America are seperate. You can not use this as an argument supporting prop 8 legally. What would happen if Jewish or Polish people in the US were not allowed to marry? We are a country founded on equality and by passing prop 8 California has gone against everything this country stands for. Regardless of your views you live in a country that is a melting pot of all you cant give one group more rights than the other the defies equality.
"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."
I don't want acceptance or recognition from your church. I want acceptance and recognition from my state and furthermore my country.
GOD crested ADAM&EVE not ADAM&STEVE When will you gay folks get it.. it will never be excepted in the USA VOTE YES ON PROP 8..let put this gay marrige crap behind us once an forever
"GOD crested ADAM&EVE not ADAM&STEVE" So because God created Adam and Eve, does that mean that Bob and Amanda's relationship are not what God intended? I mean if God really wanted Bob and Amanda to have a relationship, he would have created Bob and Amanda instead of Adam and Eve right?
OK, hold up, where in nature does any species, under regular circumstances, practice homosexuality? And i think if u want to try and speak for god, u need to actually read his word-THE BIBLE in which he specifically says that homosexuality is WRONG.
Government did not create marriage. It is older than the U.S.Constitution, older than the Bible or Koran. Marriage's roots are in human nature. Allowing gays to wed, is rooted "in biology, not bigotry." Marriage is a human social institution with a certain recognizable shape: It's public union, not private union; Responsibilities of men and women toward each other, and the children of their union, are publicly defined not up to individuals to figure out privately.
(Ask a leper. Or the woman who was about to be stoned to death by the crowd.)
If you think Jesus would vote yes you don't know Jesus at all. You evil hypocrites are not fit to call yourselves Christians.
Check your Bible & tell me where in any of the four Gospels did Jesus say a word about homosexuality? Said lots of other important things. Must not be important to God or he would've SAID SO you stupid assholes.
i was going to vote yes on prop 8 before because of the lies in teaching kids about gay marriage. but found out its fake and cannnot happen. VOTE NO ON PROP 8
Good video! I'm not sure what the "yes" people are afraid of either. Maybe of "catching gayness?" Silly, silly people! Live and let live (and love too!). God bless all of us!
David Blankenhorn,a life-long, pro-gay, liberal democrat who disagrees with the Bibles prohibitions against homosexual behavior. DESPITE THIS view, Blankenhorn makes a powerful case against Same-Sex marriage in his book "The Future of Marriage". He writes, Across history and cultures . . . marriages single most fundamental idea is that every child needs a mother and a father. Changing marriage to accommodate same-sex couples would nullify this principle in culture and in law.
I actually read an essay about him. His logic is actually totally flawed and revolves around a circular argument. His whole argument is that children deserve to be raised by both of their natural parents, and that being adopted by gay couples will deny them that right. But if they're up for adoption, obviously their natural birth parents aren't going to raise them! And there are few enough couples adopting children at the moment anyway! And it has nothing to do with marriage at all anyway!
GOOGLE: Mormons Lead the Way in Financing yes on prop 8!The IRS threatened to cut off their tax exempt status in 1978 until they finally allowed blacks to serve in leadership positions within their cult. And, now they want to discriminate against another group! If only black people knew, then they wouldn't join the Mormons in the fight against gays. VOTE NO ON HATE VOTE NO ON 8!
Though I am an opponent of prop 8, and I agree with the couple in the video. I must say the video makes not legitimate point whatsoever, it plays off of the opinion of one heterosexual couple that many others do not share. I don't think it's effective.
I am a straight female who is married to my straight male husband. Same-sex marriage does not threaten our marriage. I agree that marriage is a sacred institution, one that is a vital part of our society and culture. Marriage equality only stands to strengthen that institution by allowing two loving, consenting, adult partners to commit to each other in the eyes of the law. What is more healthy, prosperous, moral, strong and safe than that? Denying rights to CA citizens is immoral. VOTE NO ON 8!
and the angry fringe element in the GLBT community won't use it as a political weapon to further their agenda...? Are you so naive to believe with this new political weapon, they are just going to choose to go live there lives in peace and harmony...? Wait, just like in other places where gay marriage is legal, we will endure lawsuit after lawsuit all connected to parents rights and religious liberties vs. anti discrimination laws. You should watch my last video made for undecided voters.
I don't need to watch a video for undecided voters. Please don't assume that I share your prejudice. I am decided- I am voting NO on proposition 8.
Straight people don't live their lives in peace and harmony, our divorce rate is over 50%. But we have a right to make that decision for ourselves.
And since when was marriage a "political weapon"? I don't use my marriage as a political weapon, do you? It seems like you are afraid of people who are different from you. They are just people!
What's there to ask? they haven't taken their first breathe, so they aren't alive to have rights. Abortion helps stop over-population too and in a sense can save the child from a horrible upbringing and life that straight parents would give them.
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Yes, obviously, you would be such a great parent, teaching the kids all about euthanasia, u know, if you actually let them live long enough!
Don't let the Mormon Church rewrite our Constitution! The fact that the Mormon Church donated 20 million dollars to yes on 8 is just outrageous! We have people losing their homes and they decided to donate money to promote HATE? Please VOTE NO ON 8!These religious creeps who are using fear, control and religious dogma in order to take over our nation with their bigoted zealous sickness need to keep their toxic rules and influence off of the rest of us.
Marriage must be sustained for the health, prosperity, and safety of our society. if you do not believe in the direct coralation between High morals and strong society study the downfall of the roman empire, and read the Book of Mormon, in both we learn those we keep the commandments prosper.
These charges of "hate" against proponents of retaining the man-woman definition of marriage do not speak well for those who make them.
Why won't those who favor redefining marriage accord the same respect to the millions of us who want gays to be allowed to love whom they want, live with whom they want, be given the rights they deserve along with the dignity they deserve, but who still want marriage to remain man-woman?
Well let's see, how many points did you make...I'm pretty sure you made some references to Jews having a lot of control in the media (which I wouldn't say is untrue). Then you opened your fat, toothless mouth and proceeded to use "jew" as an adjective in front of everything you found distasteful. Genius strategy.
Attributing the demise of the world to one group, powerful or not, isn't intellectually sound. But then again, you're clearly not interested in logic, reason, or intelligence.
A conspiracy theory! Even more brilliant! Come on, you MUST have at least attained a few Ph.D's abroad (if our country's universities are too overrun with Jews for you). Or wait, you're so smart you DIDN'T need to go to college! Yeah! damn college. Full of jews. I'm sure you got all the "learnin'" you needed sitting in your trailer watching FOX and NASCAR.
Finally, affording same-sex couples the opportunity to obtain the designation of marriage will not impinge upon the religious freedom of any religious organization, official, or any other person; no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs. (Cal. Const., art. I, § 4.)" In re Marriage Cases, 43 Cal.4th 757, 854-55.
Wow, your argument is really persuasive. With an argument like "piss on fags" and "Jews pushing their fag rights need to go to hell," I can see why someone might vote yes on 8.
Tell me, you sound SO educated...are you a college professor? A doctor or lawyer maybe? How many degrees do you have? I can tell you're a true genius.
That's not the point that line is trying to make...the point is that STRAIGHT marriages in California have not been adversely affected by gay marriage in the past 5 months. The Yes on 8 campaign is trying to make people think that their straight marriage will dissolve into tiny pieces if gays are also allowed to marry, which is complete drivel.
Maybe try to follow along a little closer next time.
You make my point exactly: 5 months. I would be really surprised, actually, if the sanctity and establishment of marriage was affected this early on from legalizing same-sex marriage.
When you throw a rock into a pond, the ripples don't last for just 2 or 3 seconds. They go on for a long, long time, often very hard to discern without careful observation. One of the main reasons we're standing up for Prop 8 is because of the 'ripples' that can very easily result.
Marriage has changed over time. Atheists can marry, infertile couples can marry, interracial couples can marry. What's more, divorce is legal, and women are no longer considered property! These are enormous changes, that caused a lot of social upheaval when they were made. Years from now, I don't want to remember myself as being on the "Confederate" side of history.
As a straight, Republican woman, I stand proudly in my support of gay marriage.
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Ripples such as having our children taught morals and values that should be reserved for the parents to teach, churches losing their tax-exempt status because people feel that the government should not give tax-breaks to entities who preach "hate," and children being denied the right to be raised by a father and mother.
These are just a few of the many possible consequences. It is very arrogant of you all to think you know of everything that will result from this monumental perversion.
Here is the text: Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.
How interesting that the supporters of Prop 8 WOULDN'T prohibit gay marriage from being taught in schools in the text of the law...if it was actually being taught, or could possibly be, don't you think they would have preemptively added a clause for that?
Churches will NOT lose their tax exempt status, and "gay class" won't be a school subject.
i respect molly ringwald that much more now :) sorry i think i misspelled that
theoriginalklutz 1 year ago
I think the world would be a better place if nickotime's parents had been gay or sterile. Bigots just suck.
ProudMomEden 1 year ago
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
WHAT PART OF THIS DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!
TheElectro2009 2 years ago
i don't seem to understand the part where it says love thy neighbor
doesn't that also translate into
stop shoving your self righteous moral bullshit so far down our throats we choke?
i dunno that's my belief
you're entitled you your belief and me to mine
although you are not entitled to banning my choices or the choices of others based on an ancient book that's outdated
self righteous pigfucker
lupinewarrior 1 year ago
What what part of our separation of church and state do you not understand?
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "What what part of our separation of church and state do you not understand"
-I love when retarded uneducated prop 8 opposing homo lovers use this Clause in their defense it makes them look retarded because Clause actually protects religion, who is interfering here? The government is, they are interfering out of their jurisdiction in matters of religion, which is the institution of marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 This "retarded" and "uneducated" opponent of prop 8 is an Ivy league educated law student. You are completely wrong. Constitutional interpretation is not up to you nor is it up to me, that is the job of our supreme court, which has yet to speak on the matter. The courts have however spoken in defense of the individual against the infringement of religion in cases involving atheists, school prayer and things like that.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 The interpretation of seperation of church and state, is very clear in the Constitution, there is no need for the Supreme Court.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 The interpretation of seperation of church and state, is very clear in the Constitution, there is no need for the Supreme Court.
-"separation of church and state" is never explicitly stated in the constitution. Look for it and you will not find it, it is implied. And one of the constitutional roles of the supreme court is to interpret the constitution, please read the document before you make a fool of yourself.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 I know for a fact you're not a "Ivy league educated law student", you don't even know the interpretation of the seperation between church and state Clause. You also think Prop 8 is unconstitutional, when gay marriage and the Judges who ruled in favor of Assembly Bill 19 were the ones who were unconstitutional, such as Mark Leno.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 You can believe whatever you want about me. That is not my problem. The last judicial ruling on the matter states that Prop 8 is unconstitutional and until a higher court says otherwise that is what stands. That is how our legal system works.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 Assembly Bill 19 was not only unconstitutional it was passed without a state vote.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 marriage is not an institution of the church. While many religions give marriage a very important religious role, marriage is actually under the jurisdiction of the state. It is the state that provide us with a marriage license which we can then take to a priest, pastor, or whatever so that they can marry us. It is the state which grants married couples certain rights and privileges, not the church.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 Exactly the separation of church and state, so why is the government interfering with matters of the church such as marriage, they are being unconstitutional dont you think? Homo supporters do not see this, most of them are ignorant and uneducated and don't even know what Prop 8 even stands for.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Religious institutions have the right to define and recognize marriage however they want, that is their constitutional right under the first amendment. But they can't tell the state how to define marriage. You keep repeating that people in support of gay rights are uneducated and ignorant yet all studies show that the more educated a person is the more socially liberal they tend to be. The most religious people in this country tend to be those with less years of schooling.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "Religious institutions have the right to define and recognize marriage however they want, that is their constitutional right under the first amendment"
-Indeed, so tell me why you want the government meddling in marriage, a institution which is out of their jurisdiction, marriage is governed by the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church and I don't remember them ever saying that homosexual marriage should be legal.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Catholics have the right to decide what they consider marriage or not, so do Anglicans, and so does any other religious body. The government cannot force a church to perforce a marriage. But we have something called civil marriage in this country and that is under the jurisdiction of the state not any church. Go back to whomever told you that marriage is controlled by a church and tell them they have lied to you.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 We do not have "civil marriage" we have civil unions, they are not marriages at all.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 civil marriage and civil unions are two very different things. Learn the law and then debate. Two people of the opposite sex can get a marriage license at their local court in every jurisdiction in this country without the need of a religious ceremony or approval of any church. It is that marriage license that actually grants you certain rights which married couples are entitled to.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "civil marriage and civil unions are two very different things"
-Civil marriages are only between a man and a woman, same sex civil marriages go against the Defense of Marriage Act, it is illegal under this act.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 "Civil marriages are only between a man and a woman, same sex civil marriages go against the Defense of Marriage Act, it is illegal under this act."
- Here is a fact for you: DOMA states that no state needs to treat as marriage a same-sex relationship considered marriage in another state. It does not prevent a state from making its own decisions of what is a valid civil marriage it simply gives a state the right to not recognize a same-sex marriage from another state.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 You see how I provide facts and give you laws that actually refute everything you type, you on the other hand don't state facts and just like attacking me with childish insults.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 "Two people of the opposite sex can get a marriage license at their local court in every jurisdiction in this country without the need of a religious ceremony or approval of any church"
-No they can not, you are also ignorant to current laws as well. In California Proposition 22 was passed and homosexual marriages were illegal under this law, but homosexuals kept pushing and pushing.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "No they can not, you are also ignorant to current laws as well. In California Proposition 22 was passed and homosexual marriages were illegal under this law, but homosexuals kept pushing and pushing"
- I suggest you read more carefully my comments. I was not implying that gay ppl can just go to a court and get a marriage license, I was talking about OPPOSITE SEX couples (str8) to clarify for you that civil marriage exists and needs to priest.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 Currently homosexual marriages are against the law in California.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 " It is that marriage license that actually grants you certain rights which married couples are entitled to"
-Civil marriages are not real marriages, and they do not provide any rights. Civil unions provide rights.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "-Civil marriages are not real marriages, and they do not provide any rights. Civil unions provide rights."
- Yea sure, and the source for that opinion you hold is? People get married by judges daily, str8 couples get REAL civil marriage licenses without going to a church all the time. THAT is the marriage that is recognized by our federal government. A priest cannot marry you without a marriage license from the state, ask any clergyman.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 Whoever told you that marriage is not governed by the Anglican Communion is a mental retard, please read a book.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Every province of the Anglican communion is autonomous just to begin with so every province can decide what is marriage and what is not for their own religious purpose. But the Anglican's opinion of marriage has no legal binding on what our federal or state governments will decide what is marriage and what is not. You say that I attack you but you are the one who has been repeating the words "retard" and "ignorant' since the first comment.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 The U.S. Episcopal Church nor the Anglican Church of Canada have the right to over ride the authority of the Anglican Communion. Furthermore, these same-sex marriages are not recognized by the Anglican Communion and are not entered into their registry.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "The U.S. Episcopal Church nor the Anglican Church of Canada have the right to over ride the authority of the Anglican Communion. Furthermore, these same-sex marriages are not recognized by the Anglican Communion and are not entered into their registry."
-You don't even know the nature of the Anglican Communion, it is not like that catholic church. There is no universal governing authority above the national churches. Canterbury has not real power outside of England.
samot8728 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 btw, as a side not since you believe in the Anglican's authority to decide what is marriage and what is not. Two provinces of the Anglican Communion (the US Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada) do bless same-sex marriages in jurisdictions where such marriages are legal.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "all studies show that the more educated a person is the more socially liberal they tend to be"
-The more "socially liberal" a person is the more brainwashed and uneducated they are.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "The more "socially liberal" a person is the more brainwashed and uneducated they are."
-You have the right to your opinion even if it's not based on fact. Right wing religious zealots don't understand facts very well anyway.
samot8728 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 It does not surprise me that you are an anti-gay homophobic bigot, given that your channel has white supremacist written all over it. Hitler sent gays to concentration camp so I can see the correlation. Como Hispano que soy te digo que lo que tu tienes es un gran complejo de inferioridad y una necesidad muy grande de provar que eres mejor que el resto de la gente. Y te escribo en la lengua de Cervantes porque se que eres mexicano.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "It does not surprise me that you are an anti-gay homophobic bigot"
-I'm not anti-gay at all, nor am I homophobic bigot, and by you using those words you lose by default, all those ad-hominem attacks have no proof.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "I'm not anti-gay at all, nor am I homophobic bigot, and by you using those words you lose by default, all those ad-hominem attacks have no proof"
- I am simply describing what you have shone to be through your channel and the comments directed towards me. You have been unable to effectively counter any of my arguments regarding constitutional law. Have you even read the constitution? You make these assertions just out of nowhere.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 What assertions have I made? You're the one who is making assertions out of nowhere of me, you have no basis or merit to call me a "bigot, anti-gay or homophobe".
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 You make this ridiculous assertions about our constitution and our legal system which could not be further from the truth. Please see a lawyer, judge or law professor so that you can learn something, or better yet read a book about or laws. Your attitudes towards gay marriage show that you are anti-gay. Not giving gays the same rights as everyone else is bigotry.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 " Not giving gays the same rights as everyone else is bigotry"
-You see this is what you do not get, gays have the same right as any other couple, they can still enter civil unions, no one is taking the right to enter civil unions away from them. If you knew anything about matrimonial laws in the U.S., you would know that you are granted rights only from civil unions, marriage does not grant you any rights, this is just about homosexuals wantig to change the definition of marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 You don't understand marriage laws in this country. Civil unions don't always give you the same rights as civil marriage (I know you don't believe civil marriage exists but it does, go look it up and educate yourself on it). Furthermore, civil unions are granted at the state (not federal) level. Most state don't even perform civil unions for gay couples, many have state constitutional bans on even civil unions.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 All states perform civil unions for homosexuals, you're ridiculous, stop making things up, here you are again making up fallacies to support your ignorant position on Proposition 8.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Get your facts straight. Your misinformation is ASTOUNDING. Civil unions are only performed in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin. 9 states out of 50, plus 6 more which perform gay marriage and 2 more which recognize it. That's 18/50 state giving same-sex couples marriage or marriage-like rights at the state level. Not nearly enough.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 This video is about Prop 8, what state is proposing this proposition? California. Why are you bringing up other issues that have nothing to do with the topic of the video.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 I could care less what other states do, I do not have the right to vote in other states.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Marriage will some day be approved at the federal level, just like Canada, Spain, South Africa, Portugal, and a few other european countries. This is not a state issue. This is a human rights issue and you are on the losing side of this argument. Everyday more and more people support marriage equality.
I do recommend you inform yourself about marriage laws. You are probably not married b/c if you were you would know that you need to go to a court before a priest.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 You can keep dreaming, but like I said a million times the U.S. Judicial System does not have the jurisdiction to change the definition of marriage. Furthermore the reason you go to a court before you get married is to enter a civil union, which all couples must enter to recieve rights and benefits under U.S. law.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 This has nothing to do with human rights, homosexuals have the same rights as all couples, this is about homosexuals wanting to forcefully change the definition of marriage after thousands of years, that is fascism at it's pure definition.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 You see homosexuals are anti-Christianity, anti-family and anti-heterosexual, they want to change the definition of marriage to include them so they can taunt us.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Homosexuals just want christians to mind their own business and let gays live their life. Within your church you can exclude whomever you want and marry whomever you want, but let the state decide what it considers marriage or not.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "Homosexuals just want christians to mind their own business and let gays live their life"
-That's awesome, but who is bothering them? They are the ones who are bothering Christians by forcing them to marry them, they are also forcing the government to change the sacred definition of marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 No one is trying to force a christian church to marry anyone. Gays want the government to marry them, just like everyone else. To be able to get a marriage license from the court just like str8 couples do everyday.
By the way, I see you have chosen to ignore certain facts I have sent you. What happened to your DOMA argument? Your Anglican assertions? My argument that the supreme court is the final authority in interpreting the constitution, a role explicitly stated.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 This is all about hate from homosexuals against heterosexual Christians.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 Everything you type I counter with facts, unlike your rebuttals which are all ad-hominem attacks with no facts or basis.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 "Everything you type I counter with facts, unlike your rebuttals which are all ad-hominem attacks with no facts or basis."
- You know very well that I have responded to every single one of your ridiculous assertions with facts which you chose to ignore b/c they don't fit your preconceived ideas of how our laws should be made.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "Have you even read the constitution"
-Of course, I wouldn't be pointing out Clauses such as the Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State Clauses.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "Of course, I wouldn't be pointing out Clauses such as the Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State Clauses."
- So where exactly in the constitution does it say separation of church and state?
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 I never said Separation of Church and State was in the Constitution. "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. "Separation of Church and State" is a legal and political principle as well.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 you talked about the separation of church and state clause in the constitution. The concept is implied in the constitution and accepted, but there is no such clause. Furthermore, a letter written by Jefferson has no legal binding. What is written in our constitution, subsequent amendments, and court rulings are our laws, not letters written anyone.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 Furthermore we are not discussing other states, since Prop 8 is a proposition being proposed in California. Stop changing the subject.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 This conversation has never been about california (at least not to me). I disagree with Prop 8, but I'm not form CA nor do I plan on moving there. If this was about CA, why did you bring up DOMA? That is a federal law, not a CA issue. Marriage equality needs to reach the federal level. Discrimination in this country should not be tolerated in ANY state, even if it's the Mormon theocracy of Utah.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 This video is about Prop 8, Why are you changing subjects? We have been discussing Prop 8 this whole time.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 I have been discussing gay marriage, Prop 8 is one aspect of the gay marriage debate. You are the one losing the argument since you have been ignoring all the arguments for which you have no facts to respond.
samot8728 1 year ago
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@samot8728 "Marriage equality needs to reach the federal level. Discrimination in this country should not be tolerated in ANY state, even if it's the Mormon theocracy of Utah"
-You can keep dreaming, keep hating, keep being ignorant and keep being anti-family and anti-heterosexual, but as long as I live I will oppose your form of bigotry
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 When someone loses a debate they start deviating from the topic that they are debating, such as what you are doing right now.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 So you're not from CA, then why are you debating this? You don't even have the political power to change anything in California. This debate is over.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 gay marriage is not about California. Gay marriage is about equality before the law (something else that is in our constitution). You can end this debate if you want. I understand that you simply can't really counter the arguments of someone who understand our laws and our constitution. Stick to your church, I'm sure you will find a more misinformed crowd there.
samot8728 1 year ago
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@samot8728 "why did you bring up DOMA? That is a federal law, not a CA issue"
-Federal law is the highest law in the U.S., it over rides any state laws.
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thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 Indeed and the only people I see using the "separation of church and state" principle to say that Prop 8 is unconstitutional are the homosexual anti-Prop 8 protestors, even though that principle is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 separation of church and state is not explicit in the constitution but it is implied and a recognized constitutional principle. I can see you are learning something about our constitution. A few mins ago you were arguing that separation of church and state was a constitutional clause until I pointed out that such a thing clause did not exist.
samot8728 1 year ago
@samot8728 "given that your channel has white supremacist written all over it"
-More ad-hominem attacks with no basis.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 "More ad-hominem attacks with no basis."
-Your channel provides more than enough basis.
samot8728 1 year ago
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@samot8728 "Hitler sent gays to concentration camp so I can see the correlation"
-What the fuck are you talking about? So now you are comparing the holocaust to being against gay marriage, wow.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@samot8728 Anytime Prop 8 opposers use the words "racist", "bigot" or compare the holocaust to gay marriage they automatically lose.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
Lolz. I love these commercials!
ILovePinkDaSinger22 2 years ago
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No, you're wrong. We will vote YES ON 8 b/c we don't want same sex marriage in CA. Period.
WatchTherefore 2 years ago
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yay faggots...
MrCrapday 2 years ago
"Your kids? What about family?"
best quote.
skinnerburgers 2 years ago 12
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Equality is an illusion advodcated by Fools.
shatrack 2 years ago
This is an excellent ad. I hope it gets air time during the next round.
LoveNow365 2 years ago 4
Why would we pack our bags? We are going to win eventually. This is a setback on a long journey and we have made progress in leaps and bounds over the past few years. I am thuroughly convinced that I will see not only this law but many others like it overturned within my lifetime. Its progress and while you may be able to slow it down you can never stop it.
someUtubeguy 2 years ago 4
I dream well of the day these assholes apologize for taking away our rights to pursuit of happiness. That day will come... but maybe it should have come sooner.
Fluffypear 3 years ago 4
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As far as I can see, every human being is the restult of the union of a Man and a Woman. Can we keep it like that? I'd hate that either one of my parents had opted or turned against nature; I wouldn't been born. By the way, day without a gay was a very good idea, now, let's go for a year!
nickotime01 3 years ago
Off the wall. That denotes a deep and disturbing ignorance and misunderstanding of homosexuality. Are you aware (btw) that scientists can create a male egg and that egg can be fertilized by a male sperm? Look it up. It is a controversial science but it underscores the reality that we (male and female) are in all reality not nearly as different as we thought.
Jacksonholenativ 2 years ago 2
Lets get this straight peoples. STRAIGHT PEOPLE DONT CARE IF YOU GET MARRIED!!! Thats what California Family Code 297.5 (a) is for!!! What we do care about is our religion! That Code seperated religion so you can have in the same sense married with all the same rights!!! You are not going to force people to throw their beliefs in the fire. Some beliefs can bend, but this subject is harder than stone with religious people. You got the right. Get off your ass and exercise it.
paul19781105 3 years ago
Who the hell in their right mind would accept being segregated? No one. Civil unions are attempted to create a separate but equal institution, and that's why civil unions aren't up to par.
iwonttell19888 3 years ago 2
Ummmm, how is it segregated? If you are worried about separate but equal, then why are 99% of the restrooms separated as "Men and Women?" Thats separate but equal. Why are gays men and lesbians women? Thats separate but equal. Why do they make regular and diet sodas? Thats separate but equal. Stop playing the victim because I go on and on about other things we take for granted. Take what you can get and build from there. Stop looking for handouts.
paul19781105 3 years ago
ya, but what if i'm not the same religion as you, and lets say i'm gay, why would i have to follow your rules? is your religion better than mine?
point is keep religion and government separate.
lajollacat 3 years ago 9
Its not like that. Religions that are against gay marriage dont want it in their own churches. They dont bother others. The problem is if government passes something that is too broad. There needs to be exemptions so that it protects religious faiths that are against it. If the pass something like that, churches will be protected and everybody gets what they want. They key is to ensure protection of churches. If they are protected, then nobody can really say anything against gay marriage.
paul19781105 3 years ago
how does having a gay couple that you don't even know get married hurt you or your church in any miniscule way besides changing the definition of a word? because that's all you're hanging onto right now is a friggin definition.
adamfishercox 3 years ago 2
Religions have their own rules that they abide by to please their Gods. If you are a Christian and gay, and you want to get married, you would be in violation of God's Law. If the church marries you, they will be sinners too. To force churches that are against it would be infringing on THEIR beliefs and RIGHTS to worship by their means. This is dead subject anyway. California has spoken. Take it like a man/woman and move on. People will vote the same the next time it comes around too.
paul19781105 3 years ago
No one is forcing Westboro Baptist Church to marry them.
If they belong to a separate religion or perhaps get married secularly why shouldn't they be able to?
I think most gay people know what churches to abstain from.
It's state then church for a reason.
It is unconstitutional.
How about infringing on those people's right to love each other for the rest of their lives?
They have a much lower divorce rate than straight christians.
bckyrdboogie 2 years ago
Prop 8 sux!
AdamFinkler 3 years ago
Ha! I love the personification of "protection" in this ad. That's just how idiotic people sound when they say they're protecting the definition of marriage.
I heard a No on Prop 8 guest speaker on talk radio who happens to be a minister. She said in all her years of counseling straight married couples not a single one has ever come into her office and said, "Our marriage is falling apart because of the gay couple down the street."
That hits the nail in the head.
EmWilly 3 years ago 14
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Good to know all the Atheist and Homosexual's are on the same side.
Have fun with no Marriage for awhile, I'll have fun watching and hearing about your useless protest's in the days to come.
Even when it does pass, Which it will, The tension in society isn't going to go anywhere, if anything just get worse.
Marblekeeper 3 years ago
"Even when it does pass, Which it will, The tension in society isn't going to go anywhere, if anything just get worse."
Yes because of people like you.
Resi12 3 years ago
How would the Prop 8 supporters vote if there was a movement to ban divorce?
The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believers life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). Therefore, it's distressing that the divorce rate among professing Christians is nearly as high as that of the unbelieving world.
To protect marriage we MUST put a stop to divorce! Why ignore God's hate for this practice any longer?
phxflyguy 3 years ago 6
@phxflyguy Marriage is not mentioned in the bible you ignorant fool.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Wow, you comment on a year old post of mine, don't even bother to look up the passages that I referenced, and call me an ignorant fool. Re: what I said about the Bible and divorce, Malachi 2:16 says, '"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself [a] with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.' Re: what I said about reconciliation and forgiveness, look up Luke 11:4 and Ephesians 4:32. Christ, you must be bored...
phxflyguy 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 My comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek anyway, but it is in there.
phxflyguy 1 year ago
I am not sure if you are aware but church and state in America are seperate. You can not use this as an argument supporting prop 8 legally. What would happen if Jewish or Polish people in the US were not allowed to marry? We are a country founded on equality and by passing prop 8 California has gone against everything this country stands for. Regardless of your views you live in a country that is a melting pot of all you cant give one group more rights than the other the defies equality.
dannykidd1 3 years ago 3
"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."
I don't want acceptance or recognition from your church. I want acceptance and recognition from my state and furthermore my country.
ftsanchez 3 years ago
VOTE NO ON PROP 8 YES ON AIDS!
brocklikiller 3 years ago
it passed! ha!
xxdelta77xx446 3 years ago
CREATED
shebacolby 3 years ago
GOD crested ADAM&EVE not ADAM&STEVE When will you gay folks get it.. it will never be excepted in the USA VOTE YES ON PROP 8..let put this gay marrige crap behind us once an forever
shebacolby 3 years ago
Oh, original. You sound like my eighth grade religion teacher.
cormag59 3 years ago
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ooh, nice comeback, cocksucker
7cujo7 3 years ago
"GOD crested ADAM&EVE not ADAM&STEVE" So because God created Adam and Eve, does that mean that Bob and Amanda's relationship are not what God intended? I mean if God really wanted Bob and Amanda to have a relationship, he would have created Bob and Amanda instead of Adam and Eve right?
biggtk 3 years ago
i hope californians will vote no on proposition 8 , coz if they do vote yes,
either.
1. they are all stupider than i thought ...
2. or they do not pratice what they preach ( equality and freedom of choice )
3. separation of religion and state
krphl31 3 years ago
its not about god dude ...
not everyone is christian remember?
or hav you forgotten that ...its like saying sikhs or hindus cannot get married in their own religious ceremonies coz its not christian
krphl31 3 years ago
Us straight people are doing a great job of not living in lustful passion then. Because divorce is a part of holiness.
I follow the constitution over the bible when it comes to politics.
ag5 3 years ago
Why should somebody be forced to follow the teachings of a god they don't believe in?
That's why we have separation of church and state.
The yes on 8 argument is a purely religious one. Religious dogma has no place in law-making.
hennybuggy4 3 years ago 2
God just sits back up there in his kingdom and watches you put words in his mouth. God doesn't dig that.
Homosexuality is natural. That's why it exists for other species.
ag5 3 years ago 3
yup yup
daganboy 3 years ago
OK, hold up, where in nature does any species, under regular circumstances, practice homosexuality? And i think if u want to try and speak for god, u need to actually read his word-THE BIBLE in which he specifically says that homosexuality is WRONG.
7cujo7 3 years ago
Amazon Dolphin
American Bison
Bonobo and other apes
Elephants
Giraffes
Japanese Macaque
Polecat
Sheep
Spotted Hyena
Just to name a few.
Felidaise 3 years ago 3
Look up Homosexual Animals on uh.. what's that video site called again? YouTube? Is that what that's called?
LuckyStrikeDEAD 3 years ago
Biological Exuberance. There are portions of it on YouTube by NOVA and National Geographic. There's an entry for it in Wikipedia.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Enough is enough! Only the facts will answer everyone's questions and opinions. Please view the facts at: .com/watch?v=4JZIJnJWZBQ
LiluBob 3 years ago
VOTE YES ON PROP 8.
Government did not create marriage. It is older than the U.S.Constitution, older than the Bible or Koran. Marriage's roots are in human nature. Allowing gays to wed, is rooted "in biology, not bigotry." Marriage is a human social institution with a certain recognizable shape: It's public union, not private union; Responsibilities of men and women toward each other, and the children of their union, are publicly defined not up to individuals to figure out privately.
toastershock 3 years ago
GET THIS VID ON TV! Now a comment...
Proposition 8... How would Jesus vote?
(Ask a leper. Or the woman who was about to be stoned to death by the crowd.)
If you think Jesus would vote yes you don't know Jesus at all. You evil hypocrites are not fit to call yourselves Christians.
Check your Bible & tell me where in any of the four Gospels did Jesus say a word about homosexuality? Said lots of other important things. Must not be important to God or he would've SAID SO you stupid assholes.
WhistlersBrother 3 years ago 2
HELL YEA! i agree 100%!
t33LOW 3 years ago
i was going to vote yes on prop 8 before because of the lies in teaching kids about gay marriage. but found out its fake and cannnot happen. VOTE NO ON PROP 8
Dailymotion114 3 years ago
Good video! I'm not sure what the "yes" people are afraid of either. Maybe of "catching gayness?" Silly, silly people! Live and let live (and love too!). God bless all of us!
1CAteacher 3 years ago 3
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David Blankenhorn,a life-long, pro-gay, liberal democrat who disagrees with the Bibles prohibitions against homosexual behavior. DESPITE THIS view, Blankenhorn makes a powerful case against Same-Sex marriage in his book "The Future of Marriage". He writes, Across history and cultures . . . marriages single most fundamental idea is that every child needs a mother and a father. Changing marriage to accommodate same-sex couples would nullify this principle in culture and in law.
YES ON PROP 8!!
teleutube 3 years ago
I actually read an essay about him. His logic is actually totally flawed and revolves around a circular argument. His whole argument is that children deserve to be raised by both of their natural parents, and that being adopted by gay couples will deny them that right. But if they're up for adoption, obviously their natural birth parents aren't going to raise them! And there are few enough couples adopting children at the moment anyway! And it has nothing to do with marriage at all anyway!
Demetrier 3 years ago
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GOOGLE: Mormons Lead the Way in Financing yes on prop 8!The IRS threatened to cut off their tax exempt status in 1978 until they finally allowed blacks to serve in leadership positions within their cult. And, now they want to discriminate against another group! If only black people knew, then they wouldn't join the Mormons in the fight against gays. VOTE NO ON HATE VOTE NO ON 8!
hotblondie111 3 years ago 2
Though I am an opponent of prop 8, and I agree with the couple in the video. I must say the video makes not legitimate point whatsoever, it plays off of the opinion of one heterosexual couple that many others do not share. I don't think it's effective.
m8cct 3 years ago
I am a straight female who is married to my straight male husband. Same-sex marriage does not threaten our marriage. I agree that marriage is a sacred institution, one that is a vital part of our society and culture. Marriage equality only stands to strengthen that institution by allowing two loving, consenting, adult partners to commit to each other in the eyes of the law. What is more healthy, prosperous, moral, strong and safe than that? Denying rights to CA citizens is immoral. VOTE NO ON 8!
aalvesmcauley 3 years ago 3
and the angry fringe element in the GLBT community won't use it as a political weapon to further their agenda...? Are you so naive to believe with this new political weapon, they are just going to choose to go live there lives in peace and harmony...? Wait, just like in other places where gay marriage is legal, we will endure lawsuit after lawsuit all connected to parents rights and religious liberties vs. anti discrimination laws. You should watch my last video made for undecided voters.
nathow 3 years ago
I don't need to watch a video for undecided voters. Please don't assume that I share your prejudice. I am decided- I am voting NO on proposition 8.
Straight people don't live their lives in peace and harmony, our divorce rate is over 50%. But we have a right to make that decision for ourselves.
And since when was marriage a "political weapon"? I don't use my marriage as a political weapon, do you? It seems like you are afraid of people who are different from you. They are just people!
aalvesmcauley 3 years ago 6
Californian voters just want their votes to count...again.
Quit the gay agenda BS and stop fighting the will of the people.
sayah64 3 years ago
Constitutionality of laws don't matter right?
ag5 3 years ago
I don't know....Let's ask unborn babies about their rights.
sayah64 3 years ago
What's there to ask? they haven't taken their first breathe, so they aren't alive to have rights. Abortion helps stop over-population too and in a sense can save the child from a horrible upbringing and life that straight parents would give them.
ag5 3 years ago
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Yes, obviously, you would be such a great parent, teaching the kids all about euthanasia, u know, if you actually let them live long enough!
7cujo7 3 years ago
LOL
Congratulations on posting the single stupid comment ever in the history of You Tube. Someone has some mommy and daddy issues, huh? LOL
It is exactly stupid comments like that which insured the passage of 8. Good Job DipChit
sayah64 3 years ago
Don't let the Mormon Church rewrite our Constitution! The fact that the Mormon Church donated 20 million dollars to yes on 8 is just outrageous! We have people losing their homes and they decided to donate money to promote HATE? Please VOTE NO ON 8!These religious creeps who are using fear, control and religious dogma in order to take over our nation with their bigoted zealous sickness need to keep their toxic rules and influence off of the rest of us.
Don't let them fooled you! VOTE NO ON 8!
hotblondie111 3 years ago
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NO GAY MARRIAGE! We are not animals! WE ARE NOT TRASH!
vote YES ON 8!
bigtrees0 3 years ago
Marriage must be sustained for the health, prosperity, and safety of our society. if you do not believe in the direct coralation between High morals and strong society study the downfall of the roman empire, and read the Book of Mormon, in both we learn those we keep the commandments prosper.
nayr0007 3 years ago
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God hates fags!No special rights to filthy sodomites.Vote Yes on 8!
MtownHatesFaggots 3 years ago
Didn't you know that God has a lover named Bob. It's in the bible. Heaven is a big gay orgy.
ag5 3 years ago
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You moron.Gay orgy means burning in hell.
MtownHatesFaggots 3 years ago
So your life is a big gay orgy?
ag5 3 years ago
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I am not a faggot.Faggots are perverts.
And you couple on video,shut up.
MtownHatesFaggots 3 years ago
Well you're implying it on yourself with all that slanderous language you're using against a specific group of people.
ag5 3 years ago
xDD wow u make it sound way better than the christians :)
superperson13 3 years ago
That's why I'm Captain America.
ag5 3 years ago
*claps* life must be fun in those tights, huh? :3
superperson13 3 years ago
I've got to fight for the rights of Americans in comfort.
Captain America hopes everyone votes no on 8.
ag5 3 years ago
Hateful if I don't agree with you?
These charges of "hate" against proponents of retaining the man-woman definition of marriage do not speak well for those who make them.
Why won't those who favor redefining marriage accord the same respect to the millions of us who want gays to be allowed to love whom they want, live with whom they want, be given the rights they deserve along with the dignity they deserve, but who still want marriage to remain man-woman?
YES on 8!
justathought3 3 years ago
love it! get this ad on tv, please!!
No on 8!
ActsOfBeauty 3 years ago 2
Well let's see, how many points did you make...I'm pretty sure you made some references to Jews having a lot of control in the media (which I wouldn't say is untrue). Then you opened your fat, toothless mouth and proceeded to use "jew" as an adjective in front of everything you found distasteful. Genius strategy.
Attributing the demise of the world to one group, powerful or not, isn't intellectually sound. But then again, you're clearly not interested in logic, reason, or intelligence.
aubreytube 3 years ago 3
A conspiracy theory! Even more brilliant! Come on, you MUST have at least attained a few Ph.D's abroad (if our country's universities are too overrun with Jews for you). Or wait, you're so smart you DIDN'T need to go to college! Yeah! damn college. Full of jews. I'm sure you got all the "learnin'" you needed sitting in your trailer watching FOX and NASCAR.
Have fun grumbling about conspiracies, though!
aubreytube 3 years ago 2
Below is what the CA supreme court has to say regarding your baseless concerns
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aubreytube 3 years ago
Finally, affording same-sex couples the opportunity to obtain the designation of marriage will not impinge upon the religious freedom of any religious organization, official, or any other person; no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs. (Cal. Const., art. I, § 4.)" In re Marriage Cases, 43 Cal.4th 757, 854-55.
aubreytube 3 years ago
Wow, your argument is really persuasive. With an argument like "piss on fags" and "Jews pushing their fag rights need to go to hell," I can see why someone might vote yes on 8.
Tell me, you sound SO educated...are you a college professor? A doctor or lawyer maybe? How many degrees do you have? I can tell you're a true genius.
aubreytube 3 years ago
YES ON PROP 8.
for the children AND the future.
xyzcritic 3 years ago
haha. This is awesome. Isn't that Molly Ringwald? I think this is pretty Ligit. Nice.
AHMProductions2008 3 years ago
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I love the line "Actually we're fine, same-sex marriage has been legal here for months and nothing's happened."
Wow, a whole 5 months!! Yep, this whole same-sex marriage this sure has stood the test of time.
Yes on 8.
God bless.
TrueStory19 3 years ago
You're forgetting countries like Holland (2001), Belgium (2003) and Spain (2005), now... how's that for a test of time?
setubalance 3 years ago
The UK, too. :-)
ButMadNNW 3 years ago
That's not the point that line is trying to make...the point is that STRAIGHT marriages in California have not been adversely affected by gay marriage in the past 5 months. The Yes on 8 campaign is trying to make people think that their straight marriage will dissolve into tiny pieces if gays are also allowed to marry, which is complete drivel.
Maybe try to follow along a little closer next time.
aubreytube 3 years ago
You make my point exactly: 5 months. I would be really surprised, actually, if the sanctity and establishment of marriage was affected this early on from legalizing same-sex marriage.
When you throw a rock into a pond, the ripples don't last for just 2 or 3 seconds. They go on for a long, long time, often very hard to discern without careful observation. One of the main reasons we're standing up for Prop 8 is because of the 'ripples' that can very easily result.
TrueStory19 3 years ago
I'm sorry, what "ripples" are you talking about?
Marriage has changed over time. Atheists can marry, infertile couples can marry, interracial couples can marry. What's more, divorce is legal, and women are no longer considered property! These are enormous changes, that caused a lot of social upheaval when they were made. Years from now, I don't want to remember myself as being on the "Confederate" side of history.
As a straight, Republican woman, I stand proudly in my support of gay marriage.
aubreytube 3 years ago 6
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Ripples such as having our children taught morals and values that should be reserved for the parents to teach, churches losing their tax-exempt status because people feel that the government should not give tax-breaks to entities who preach "hate," and children being denied the right to be raised by a father and mother.
These are just a few of the many possible consequences. It is very arrogant of you all to think you know of everything that will result from this monumental perversion.
TrueStory19 3 years ago
Have you read Prop 8?
Here is the text: Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.
How interesting that the supporters of Prop 8 WOULDN'T prohibit gay marriage from being taught in schools in the text of the law...if it was actually being taught, or could possibly be, don't you think they would have preemptively added a clause for that?
Churches will NOT lose their tax exempt status, and "gay class" won't be a school subject.
Get your facts straight.
aubreytube 3 years ago 2