One of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies. I first saw this when I was in my 20's. I'm now 50. I watched it again last night and I got things from it that I didn't when I was younger. Still insightful, still impressive, just in different ways. This film ages well.
This movie is pretentious in the sense that it's completely neutered and prissy. It's two middle-aged men who are apparently possessed by the spirit of church ladies -- they never use contractions, and they never curse, even once.
It's extremely uncomfortable to watch with its eunuchized repression of even the slightest shred of directness and, well, masculinity.
@TheLogicJunkie You make numerous statements that, in most people, would evoke a visceral reaction of distaste for this movie.
But you really need to ask yourself why "masculinity" and "contractions" are necessary in any dialogue. Why does it make you uncomfortable? And I believe you have been mistaken; there are numerous moments of directness (i.e. Wallace's counter-points, emotional honesty, etc.). Are you so insecure in your own masculinity that you need it verified by all you engage in?
@heartshapedglassesx3 Oh, you hit the hail on the head -- I have a dress in my closet and everything, and I just can't own up to it.
Anyways, with great expectations I tried watching this movie once, and it was instantly tiresome. The two characters never get around to talking about anything truly salient -- they effetely chirped on and on about literary topics of less vitality and actual relevance than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean.
@TheLogicJunkie There, now that was a more legitimate, critical review. And I do agree with your statement on how the content was not "truly salient;" they merely cover existential topics with depth fit for high school philosophy classes.
Does the other guy EVER talk? Seems pretty one sided and gets really annoying to hear that guy prattle on and on, without so much as a peep from the other guy.
The "two guys" are Andre Gregory and Wallace Shawn, they WROTE this "dinner dialogue" and they are playing it, as they intended in the script. One is telling, the other is just the active listener, to create the "conversation" which is meant to be almost a monologue. It is fascinating everything the guy is telling, his analysis of life, relationships, what we know and don't know about ourselves, who are we, what we are doing here, etc. Like a a theater play, made into a movie.
Because Andre's parts are more showy, they tend to be the ones people put up on youtube more often. Andre's parts appeal more to the naive viewer who takes his words to be the movie's message, but Wally's parts are just as important. You ought to watch the whole movie, which you can do on youtube now.
I've seen the movie several times, starting years ago, vicom.
I admire the script, written by both, Wally and Andre.
I like very much the power of this monologue:
watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s
This scene is so true right now, so many people living in the prison they build for themselves.
Andre mentions "an english tree expert", who I guess is a real person that Andre actually knows, and most probably is a guy that I met personally almost 30 years ago!
I agree. That would be my sole criticism. No one talks like this. People have back and forth, unless one is an alpha and the other a complete follower hanging on his every word; and even then there'd be an occasional "uh huh" or "I see".
This film is not pretentious at all, nor is it self-absorbed. The entire film is a balanced dialouge of two different ways of looking at life - and neither one ever tries to say they are totally correct. How is this pretentious? Its actually the opposite of pretentious, Andre is rather humble and open to Wallys counter arguments throughout.
Pretentious is just their go-to word to critique anything that might be viewed as artful or ambitious. The word I would use for them is cliche. Ironically enough, they probably like to use words like "low-brow" when talking about movies starring adam sandler and seth rogen. Which, ironically, is pretentious.
Actually, the word pretentious is a pretty stupid and useless word to describe any film, since, by their nature, all films are pretentious in some way.
i saw it on tv and was transfixed,twenty years later i have started to download old films i once loved ....i still love this one ...more now in fact because i can appreciate the camerawork that heightens the drama , the fact that i know some history to the film which is as fascinating as the film itself ...i'm going to quit my job and go to findhorn lol
Andre has always reminded me of Alan Alda. On a side note, loved the recent Community tribute to this fine film!
lurch321 1 month ago
Community homage to MDWA featuring Pulp Fiction homage FTW
sanujose1 3 months ago
One of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies. I first saw this when I was in my 20's. I'm now 50. I watched it again last night and I got things from it that I didn't when I was younger. Still insightful, still impressive, just in different ways. This film ages well.
GeeWizzers1 6 months ago
I will never forget my dinner with Andre dinner with Abed
eroteme 7 months ago 6
Abed moves and acts like Andre, oddly enough.
icerise 8 months ago
Great movie. Can't remember anything of it, only that it was a great movie ;)
thomdrock 9 months ago
Cougartown
terrinisawesome 10 months ago
This movie is pretentious in the sense that it's completely neutered and prissy. It's two middle-aged men who are apparently possessed by the spirit of church ladies -- they never use contractions, and they never curse, even once.
It's extremely uncomfortable to watch with its eunuchized repression of even the slightest shred of directness and, well, masculinity.
TheLogicJunkie 10 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie You make numerous statements that, in most people, would evoke a visceral reaction of distaste for this movie.
But you really need to ask yourself why "masculinity" and "contractions" are necessary in any dialogue. Why does it make you uncomfortable? And I believe you have been mistaken; there are numerous moments of directness (i.e. Wallace's counter-points, emotional honesty, etc.). Are you so insecure in your own masculinity that you need it verified by all you engage in?
heartshapedglassesx3 7 months ago
@heartshapedglassesx3 Oh, you hit the hail on the head -- I have a dress in my closet and everything, and I just can't own up to it.
Anyways, with great expectations I tried watching this movie once, and it was instantly tiresome. The two characters never get around to talking about anything truly salient -- they effetely chirped on and on about literary topics of less vitality and actual relevance than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean.
Give me "Mindwalk" any day, over this.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie There, now that was a more legitimate, critical review. And I do agree with your statement on how the content was not "truly salient;" they merely cover existential topics with depth fit for high school philosophy classes.
heartshapedglassesx3 7 months ago
@heartshapedglassesx3 Pffft. It's just what I said the first time.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Perhaps we speak different languages of expression, in that case.
heartshapedglassesx3 7 months ago
Community!!!
gdmtrk 11 months ago 8
And as I fell to the floor, I pooped my pants.
notnotretarded 11 months ago 2
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notnotretarded 11 months ago
I love that most of the people commenting are actually totally supportive and into it- makes you hopeful for the state of humanity
esiotrot17 1 year ago 6
How interesting. Really makes you think, some of the stuff they say in this movie. Food for thought is right.
narrowedeyes 2 years ago 4
Just to let you all know that The Royal Court Theatre in London is screening My Dinner with Andre on Sat 18th April at 4 pm.
royalcourttheatre 2 years ago
Does the other guy EVER talk? Seems pretty one sided and gets really annoying to hear that guy prattle on and on, without so much as a peep from the other guy.
ttt8699 3 years ago
The "two guys" are Andre Gregory and Wallace Shawn, they WROTE this "dinner dialogue" and they are playing it, as they intended in the script. One is telling, the other is just the active listener, to create the "conversation" which is meant to be almost a monologue. It is fascinating everything the guy is telling, his analysis of life, relationships, what we know and don't know about ourselves, who are we, what we are doing here, etc. Like a a theater play, made into a movie.
sunamori6765 3 years ago
Because Andre's parts are more showy, they tend to be the ones people put up on youtube more often. Andre's parts appeal more to the naive viewer who takes his words to be the movie's message, but Wally's parts are just as important. You ought to watch the whole movie, which you can do on youtube now.
vicomtepicabia 3 years ago 2
I've seen the movie several times, starting years ago, vicom.
I admire the script, written by both, Wally and Andre.
I like very much the power of this monologue:
watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s
This scene is so true right now, so many people living in the prison they build for themselves.
Andre mentions "an english tree expert", who I guess is a real person that Andre actually knows, and most probably is a guy that I met personally almost 30 years ago!
sunamori6765 3 years ago
I agree. That would be my sole criticism. No one talks like this. People have back and forth, unless one is an alpha and the other a complete follower hanging on his every word; and even then there'd be an occasional "uh huh" or "I see".
iArsalan 2 years ago
@iArsalan
arty new yorkers from the 70s talk like this
jcfbell3001 1 year ago
i really wanted to like this film as well but too bad i just cant get myself to understand whatever they're talking abt...i just dont get it.
cthour 3 years ago
Until the day you finally open your mind, you will never understand the real message.
JMein13074 2 years ago
lol!
the next line is Wally laughs uneasily and says
"so that was, that was Christmas..!"
jameshaines 3 years ago
Great description of the catholic church Andre
ilovetogofast88 3 years ago 12
One day I'd like to make My Dinner With Andre 2: The Lost Weekend, or something like that. *lol* j/k, but that dude seems to hallucinate a lot.
babymoondancer 4 years ago
This film is not pretentious at all, nor is it self-absorbed. The entire film is a balanced dialouge of two different ways of looking at life - and neither one ever tries to say they are totally correct. How is this pretentious? Its actually the opposite of pretentious, Andre is rather humble and open to Wallys counter arguments throughout.
Krexel 4 years ago 54
Pretentious is just their go-to word to critique anything that might be viewed as artful or ambitious. The word I would use for them is cliche. Ironically enough, they probably like to use words like "low-brow" when talking about movies starring adam sandler and seth rogen. Which, ironically, is pretentious.
scottcherest 2 years ago
Actually, the word pretentious is a pretty stupid and useless word to describe any film, since, by their nature, all films are pretentious in some way.
scottcherest 2 years ago
@scottcherest You like Adam Sandler and Seth Rogan movies? You faggot.
irocz0r 11 months ago
@Krexel People think this movie is pretentious? Inconceivable!
discolando 1 year ago 6
@Krexel Oh my god shut the fuck up
DrMantecol 5 months ago
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I really wanted to like this film. Really. But I hated it. Pretentious beyond belief. I lost the will to live.
littlemisscritch 4 years ago
I loved this film when I was 20. Now, 25 years later, I feel like it's self-absorbed mental masturbation.
manfromearth 4 years ago
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Yes, me too. When I first saw it, these two guys seemed articulate and bright. Now when I watch this I just want them to get a job.
stan30068 4 years ago
i saw it on tv and was transfixed,twenty years later i have started to download old films i once loved ....i still love this one ...more now in fact because i can appreciate the camerawork that heightens the drama , the fact that i know some history to the film which is as fascinating as the film itself ...i'm going to quit my job and go to findhorn lol
whyraj 4 years ago
You feel like that because you have become one of the robots which they're talking about
aclockworkapple24 3 years ago 2
This movie is a masterpiece! Its out of print now and about 70 dollars on amazon, but I have several copies on dvd I can sell for cheaper.
Krexel 4 years ago
ok how much??????????
mrkzaman 4 years ago
ok how much?please
mrkzaman 4 years ago
please any chance i can get full video
mrkzaman 5 years ago
This scene is from the wonderful Louis Malle film, "My Dinner With Andre".
MyshkinLev 5 years ago 2
lovely ,
mrkzaman 5 years ago