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  • SOOOOO TRUE at first I thought it was gonna be another "Diss" video but then I watched it, and during the whole video all i said was "BURRRNNN" lol. I have so much respect for you! Nice makeup by the way. And there was another acccusation of a "nose job" on both elle and blair, but honestly, there like 18-21 years old, let them do what they want with their bodies the only reason they didnt brag about it is so the younger veiwers who look up to them dont turn straight to plastic surgery!!!

  • soo true

  • I kno some one counld stalk them and kidnap them they started at a young age and were scared get ovr it!! If my videos were soo popular I wouldn't use my real name either!!!

  • haha i thought that this video was fantastic! (i loved the ending!!!) you dont even personally know them and yet you stick up for them. your daughter should be so proud of you and really look up to you. also you are very pretty and i love your hair-do(:

  • take down your adress

  • @mssmileymetv It's a P.O. Box. It's not going to be shipped to her house

  • I agree with you!!! People like that piss me off.

  • You are so right! No one deserves to be knocked down! and also everyone who tries to rip them down arent gonna get any where because elle and blair have some true fans and they are too succsessful to get knocked down.

  • Win

  • @Che1sea24 lol

  • all the people who talk elle & blair down are just jealous of their success.

  • @cjrie i agree

  • Yeah, I totally know what you're saying about makeup counter clerks lying to push certain products. I tested that theory the last time I was at Sephora. I asked 2 separate clerks at two different shifts a suggestion for something. BOTH of them said "Well, right over here we have...."(Benefit Cosmetics) around some of the most expensive products they sell. I was curious as to why they both went to the same brand when I asked two different questions. Definitely trying to push the brand.

  • @MsMisfits yeah well i hate going to stores with higher brands of makeup in the first place because if your just wanting to look the employees always push you to buy something

  • @cowsgorawr1431 I do agree,but it really depends on who it is.There r still some really honest people who work@high-end makeup counters,one of which is my favorite who works at MAC.He suggests things that are tried-and-true products that he,himself,uses all the time.It is more bang for your buck,@least for me(For some things)to get"highend"products,only because the color payoff you get is 10x better than drugstore brands so in the end you don't have to use as much product therefore saving money.

  • Totally agree with you, but Miley actualy was named after SMiley, because she smiled so much :)

  • i know im kinda late commenting on this video but i completely agree

  • yes you have a point, but they still have done wrong... acting on their videos like REAL LIFE of them esp. about their products! So, those fowlers thinks that lying and being payed, buying stuffs, luxurious things--are being a good role models?! because they don't have their parents... What they are doing is NOT being a mature one, independent one... Because if they are matured and independent, they should have use their money & ability in a GOOD WAY.

  • @jen18mysterious The Fowlers are hardworking and super nice girls. If you actually took the time to watch their videos you would realize that they are really genuinely good people and always have a disclaimer when something is given to them or if they are paid (besides, all of thier opinions are thier own whether they are paid or not). Elle and Blair need to make a living like the rest of us and they do that through entertaining and informing thousands of girls. There's no shame in that.

  • Thank you!

    Finally someone defending these girls. All I find are video's bad mouthing these sisters. The haters have turned me off wanting to put myself on youtube because of all the mean things they say about these girls. But on the other hand I'd love so much to be on youtube and give my input to the beauty and female community.

    Kudos to these sisters for moving up in this world, and kudos to you for speaking your mind and coming across as a very strong willed and minded woman!

    xx

  • Some of the things u said r very true but they have done wrong

  • I agree with some of the things you said In you video :)

  • I like how you said that if the person who wrote the blog really is a big guru on YouTube they wouldn't have time. That's true. A popular guru on YouTube wouldn't have time to trash another popular guru. Also if in fact a "popular guru" wrote the blog I'm sure it'd be soon found out who said "popular guru" was and that guru would lose partner and all their subscribers. You're right!

  • you just earned one more subscriber

    p.s.

    I LOVE YOUR EYE MAKEUP!

  • <3 This!

  • you go girl!!!!!!!!!!!! soooooooooooo right . easy answerers 4 stupid questions!! :)!

  • You talk like my aunt(:

  • I like their videos; they might not be the most professional girls, they're not make up artists, but I enjoy their videos and some of the tips they give are good. I personally don't care much about their personal life, and I don't know if they got nose jobs or what not, but in my opinion they should be left alone. They're not someone you might meet. It's their lives, I've never heard them swearing in their videos, so I'm just okay with them.

  • I totally agree with you :)

  • Appreciate tis video response twds e ppl gg all out banging on e sisters', Elle & Blair. Dey hv every right 2 use fake names & NOT disclose their real IDs on e net. Yeah dey're rich n u may think dey're flaunting it but then again, its either u tk it wz a pinch of salt or just totally not watch 'em on YT. U HAVE A CHOICE! At e end of e day, e reason we're even watching these MU Gurus is 2 gain knowledge on how 2 apply MU and wat is gd on the market 4 us 2 buy. So wat is this stupid "war" for?

  • omggg yess thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!! i wachted a video that was like the blog and it just made me feel sad and stuff

    thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

  • @haileyscarter39 YOU ARE 100% aloud to use your nickname on youtube especailly, its not lieing, its what most people call them anyways. also you don't need to know every detail abt themm

  • I just have something to say about the Miley Cyrus thing. 1)Miley changed her name, and in her papers it says Miley Cyrus, her name isn't Desteny anymore. 2) Elle and Blair faked their names, they did not change them. So it was a pretty odd comparison

  • @TheDiordream FYI, she went by Miley for several years professionally before legally changing her name

  • I just Subscribed:)

  • amen to that, sista!

  • I totally agree with you! That person shouldn't hide behind a blog and blog mean crap about others! What are they going to do next? Hate all celebrities because none of them ever post their address online! That's so stupid!

  • You say that nobody pays you money for the reviews.That doesn't mean that it is so with those girls. As far as I read, they are paid and they admit that themselves. The thing I wanted to say is that it is not bad, I mean many girls call them liars and cheaters and so on. Yes, maybe, cuz they tell lies about some things in their videos. But you just don't have to believe everything that is said in the reviews...You have to read many opinions and watch several reviews and decide about the product.

  • Words from the wise, u r AWESOME! Everything u said is soo true. Way to defend them, I'm going to subscribe to u!!! <333

  • awsome speech!

    i see youtube as an intertening source were one can and should be whoever they want to be either yourself or someone else

  • theyre just haters and haters (h)aving (A)nger (T)owars (E)veryone (R)eaching (S)uccess=haters

  • To be honest, I think those "haters" attack YT gurus b/c they want attention that they otherwise would not receive. I used to think rude thoughts, but I NEVER left them in comments. I kept them to myself. I think it is completely childish to treat people so horribly b/c you are too darn insecure w/ yourself to make yourself anything but a hater. I mean come on! It's not like these gurus are personally making your life a living hell so why do it to them?

  • I think it was very nice of you to make this video everybody keeps making up lies saying Blair drinks beer and blair isn't her real name SO WHAT!!!! It's her personal life!!! I even see people making hater videos. So im glad someone is defending her.

  • You totally rock. i swear.

    So what if the Elle and Blair did what they did ? Its their life.

    All these haters must having some kinda permanent menopause since their never happy with what others are doing. Their lifes must be freaaaaaakishly sad to be dissing Elle and Blair all day every day like that. Hahaha. =)

  • I'm so glad that you posted this. Thank you for standing up for these girls. I don't know them, and although I'm subscribed to both of them and enjoy watching their videos, I'm mostly thankful for this because Elle and Blair are human beings and don't deserve to have their full names, addresses, et al posted on the internet.

  • i saw the blog! i thought it was HORRIBLE i like juicystar07 and it seems the creator of the blog has A LOT of time on their hands to look all this up! idk if its true or not but i could care less! i LOVE watching haul vids and the only reason i dont make them is bc im horrible infront of a cam lol! anyyyyyyway i like js07 so more power to her(:

  • Very nice! :D

  • Envy and jealousy = nasty blogs. Both of these girls were smart, ahead of the game and used their brains to make the most of their opportunities. ^5 to you Gina for putting this out there! oxo

  • Agree 110%

  • Yeah, I saw this blog a long time ago and just found it so weak and mean for no reason. I agree about the names and protecting yourself. I'm no one and I had a cyberstalker. And even if they did get some money, well go get yours girls. Just weak and jealous. Makes me want to sub to your channel because you seem genuine.

  • i agree with you! I'm not like a die hard elle/blair fan but i think people are being sooo harsh...

  • You made the EXACT same point that I was trying to make. Companies push their products all the time.... why can't they? I watch Blair's vids, and I don't end each video by saying "OMG Blair likes this, I am gonna go buy it too just because!!!" If it looks like something I would want, then I might check it out. I have found some pretty cool things by watching Makeup Gurus.

  • "ladies"

  • So much jealousy is directed at these two young ladie(Elle and Blair) It is due to envy and jealousy over the popularity and the success they have achieved.

    As an adult female, I am always amazed at how envy can turn people both young and old into raging lunatics (i.e. creating blogs dedicated to bashing people who are successful).

    The people raging must realize that what you put out you will get in return. - the law of karma. When it shows up it is never pretty.

  • Totally true! I agree with u completely. I hate how people fault them for things like not telling them personal info when they don't even have a picture on there YouTube account. Love your videos. Xxxx

  • this is the first video I've seen of you but I love you and I'm gonna sub!

    I agree with everything you said100%, those blogs and videos that are about Elle and Blair are basically cyber bullying!

  • @chelseakx I HAVE never seen one of elle or blairs videos until now since this was a year ago what are they doing now i know nothing about them have they done anything big since all of this please let me know

  • totally agree!!!!!!!

  • agree 100% (: & i have one hater comment, cuz i only have a few videos...and they dont even have ANY videos up. like really??!

  • @juicyglitter10 i know right

    p.s i love ur user juicy and glitter and 07+2+1=10

    i think thats so cute =]

  • @lexi1359 haha thank you (: & omg i didnt even nodice that HAHAHA

  • @juicyglitter10 haha your welcome lol =]

  • right on sister

  • I agree with you! 100%

  • AGREED! People are just so damn retarded. ESPECIALLY you tube comments. These type of people tend to gather together targeting on one person. They think they are all that. Clearly, they are not. The brain sizes of them combined probably total out to the size of a electron. -_-

  • I like how you very much thought out your answers and stayed very neutral. That is much smarter than anything I have seen or read on the issue.

  • i love this i totally agree with you

  • you go girl!

  • thank you so much for this video some people just dont understand!!!!!!!!!!! :) and criticise them and not know them

  • i totally agree with you!!!!!

    I'm so happy that you made this video!

    some people just can't get rid of their jealousy!

    I'm totally subscribing to ur channel right now!!!!:)

    you are just an amazing person for making this video!

  • I used to believe this blog and I think where I was caught was when Blair said she had a new car black no big deal.but then it turned out it was a new BMW and that backed up them being payed a lot of money.I sent Blair a message on Facebook and got no response so I think that annoys people I have since changed my opinion into a positive one

  • This is great I completly agree with you I think it is ridiculous that people expect them to put their adresses and workplaces up there like those things are not toys by doing that you are basically telling all the crazy stalkers that are obsessed with their videos to come to their house like thats just dumb and then everyone says blair got a nose job so what if she did is that really any of your business if she did she is there to talk about beauty and thats what she does dont like it dont watc

  • this is now one of my favourite videos :) you did a great thing in posting this :)

  • I agree with your comments concerning the gurus here on youtube. But what I find curious is that some of these "most popular" gurus are disingenuous with their viewers, some in the 100k. It is not exactly lying, it is more like false advertising. I don't fault anyone who "makes it" from the work they put into their Youtube videos. I do have a problem with creative productions made to lead viewers to believe something that isn't true. Someone needs the guts to tell the truth about all these

    gifts

  • lol i LOVE you :)

  • I love Elle too... Of course I'm jealous that she has tons of make up and clothes to review every so often, I've seen her make up collection. I want it, but I'm sure its taken her a long time to build that up. People who talk trash about these girls are only insecure about themselves.

  • Where is the link to this blog?? I want to read it.

  • You have good points and i love Elle. However they do get paid for videos. all youtube partners do, and they do get paid and compensated for advertising on their page, and by companies for using and mentioning their products. However they only use and review products they like and believe in so its fair. why not get paid to talk about and use things you love. I know I would! :)

  • Thank you so much for this!!! You are so right!!

  • I totally agree i dont think they should blame them for using fake names i would not even put my address on youtube that is stupid elle and blair are SMART!!!

  • awesome video! you are sooo right! I wish more people thought like you

  • blair and elle are ugly whores.

  • I agree 100% Support human dignity.

  • I don't know the girls either but I've watched some of their videos and they are like-able. I'm glad you made this video, it speaks highly of you to come out and speak up on someone else behalf.

  • I completely agree! I too made a video about this (:

  • i understand why they dont give their real name or address - that is smart. but they get paid doing reviews without even telling you. they LIE to you. people who are okay with that are idiots!

  • It sounds like typical girl catty jealous behavior to me. They are two very cute girls. Who cares if they are paying them to review items? Obviously its someone else who isn't getting paid who is bothered by it, but personally I do not believe that companies pay very often at all. Send them free items, yes. As far as what makeup counters are pushing. I may listen, but I know what colors and what type of products are for me or not so they rarely sway me in a direction I wouldn't go anyway. x

  • @dawnten i agree everyone says there liars but i dont think sooo

  • the reason why people hate that blaire got elle a job at 17 magazine, is because someone that needs to support their family or their dying mother or whatever and could've used the money, but she got a job without even trying. I'm not against them, because I'll admit, I'm a subber to both elle and blaire, but they both have their downs

  • Jk in the last comment. YOU ROCK! LOVE YA!

  • Nooooo this is aaaaalll wrong. Elle and Blair should give as all their info and credit card #s and EVERYTHING!!! Jkjkjjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkk­jkjkjkjkjkj I completely agree!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are doing what the love and there is NOTHING wrong with that. Thank you soooooooooooo much for doing this video

  • i love this video! im subbing to you girl! ppl forget about reality and get sucked up in the internet world...but these are 2 young girls putting themselves out there!

  • bs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they woouldnt just send you stuff just for some thoughts !!

  • This video is probably one of the most genuine videos I've seen in awhile. I agree with everything you said here, and it even enlightened me a little. Jealousy is such an ugly thing and sometimes it gets the best of us and we turn that jealousy into hate. What they've achieved is just awesome. It's best to just feel happy for them instead of hating. And I actually respect them for being responsible with personal details that really no one else has business knowing.

  • i dont see what the fuss is about. i agree with you 110%, why is it such a big deal? its the pot calling the kettle black. who doesnt drink? or want to fix something on themselves? if ppl had the oppurtunities that they both had you would be dumb not to run with it like they did. They are relatable, that means they are just NORMAL PPL thats y theyre so popular. if the haters had every piece of dirt that ever existed on them theyd look awful too. i wish ppl had a half the morals you do.

  • Yes, i agree with you all the way!!!

  • 100% agreed!!!

  • hey, im sorry u hadda tolerate all those mean comments.

    don't let them bring u down. them haters will be haters...

    u seem like a genuine person :)

    ur videos are appreciated by me soo plsss keep em coming! :D

    much love & hearty wishes.

  • Your awesome!!!

  • @MissAimee85 this video was made a year ago. By then elle and blair have already gotten nose jobs, moved to la, act fake, act like 8 year olds, and lie about more stuff.

  • @heartsxo55 Omg, how do we know it's really true though? I'm confused.

  • @MakeupByNaiya because its obviouse! its like when someone who has blonde hair dye's their hair black.. you can see it! Same with her new nose. You can see it! Just keep looking from her old videos to her new ones and pay attention to her nose. It looks like micheal jacksons now...also if this whole nose job thing was a "rumor" than both elle and blair would have cleared it up over twitter or in a video AS SOON as they would have found out. The fact that they didnt just proves that its true....

  • Very well said! :)

  • U are seriously amazing. :)

  • i think i love you.

  • This was amazing.

  • No one knows Shaycarls kids names...he calls them babytard and things liek that. How is that any different from a nickname or a fake name?

  • i like you! good for you!!!

  • I like you!!! AMEN!

  • you go girl!! :):)

  • You are a great, genuine, sincere, likable, honest, beautiful, modest person. Thank you. <3

  • your totally right 

  • You're right. :)

  • i have watched many vids about this but this is the best one i have watched thx for doin this

  • i agree but what do you think about their nose jobs

  • @edgexofxdesire maybe they just dont include the stuff they dont like in their videos? idk. but i noticed that too...

  • Like...

    very objective...

  • Also, I Love Your Videos They're Great! =)

  • I Have Only Been Watchin Elle And Blair's Vids For A Short Time Before I Found Out About These Rumors. I Must Admit I Did Spend Some Time Looking At All The "Truth About Blair/Elle" Videos. I Was Kinda Hurt,Seeing The Girls I Look Up To "Doing" Or "Saying" Things And "Not Telling The Truth" I Was Kinda In The Middle, I Wanted To Believe Them But Yet Something Wasn't Right.I Realized After Watchin Your Video If I Liked Them Before Why Should I Stop Now? Thank You 4 Making Me See That. =) Ox

  • i am so not suscribed to her enymore

  • @abcdef1237333 Well I just subscribed to her.

  • I think these girls are amazing and i totally agree with what you are saying.  This girls want their privacy and they should be able to do what they want as long as they are comfortable.

  • i love your views on this, its the exact same way i think about everything. you're awesome!

  • Oh ny gosh you are an amazing person and your a great role model

  • I'm sorry but what you said in the video is not true. You said they don't get paid by companies to make reviews/tutorials? That is false. They do get paid. It was published in the New York Times that they get around $5000 by a company just to mention the product in their video so really it is an infomercial.

    I'm sure everything about them will come out soon enough since they have their own reality tv show starting it was announced on MTV's website.

  • You are so nice!! I love the way you think!!

  • I love you being honest and I do believe you are telling all of us the truth. I have already watched plenty of your videos as I really like your work on youtube !!!! And I have seen videos where you tell that cosmetics have been sent to you for review. Just PLEASE keep on doing your videos and stay the way you are !!! I am loving it !!!

  • wow, you are an amazing person.

    amazing morals!

  • just remove the star cause youtube doesnt let you put web addresses

  • @simplebeautyxx his site is seasonsforyou.*com/providersKi­ngsport.asp#1

  • Soo true.

  • AMEENN SISTERR !

  • i saw this and subscribedd.(:

  • these jerks are just mad at themselves for not having anything in their lives that they love enough to do videos about... even something as seemingly silly as makeup. instead of finding a passion of their own, they waste their precious days tearing someone elses down. way to call them out! :)

  • PLEASE SUBSCRIBE I LUV UR VIDSS .. X

  • Also, people shouldn't believe everything they read on some pathetic girl's blog. LMAO making a blog just to hate on people? How sad.

  • I think they were right for using different names, unfortunately on their father's website it says he has 3 daughters named Elizabeth, Lisa and Emily

    Yeah definitely not telling where they live is a good idea. I'd definitely lie about that too!

  • @laceybb22 But Elizabeth isn't Blair's real name it's her middle name she won't say her real name but yes it is good very smart

  • @laceybb22 whats their father's websitee? :L

  • u dont have to explain urself to those psychos

  • thw whole train case situation .. people are ridiculous .

  • Sounds like a buch of haters, and you or them (Elle/Blair) have to give any explainations!

  • actually - "Miley" was a nickname that she was called as a child.. and she legally changed it because it was what she went by

  • this is how i feel about the whole situation, its what my track team used to say because we went undefeated for 13 years, and theyre still going after i graduted :

    "Idolized or despised, either way were recognized"

    so like you said, love them or hate them, theyre still doing better than a good percentage of the world just by doing what they love.

  • wow, people actually say these things? thats terrible, good for you for sticking up for what you believe in! i completely agree with what you are saying! its their life! right?

  • I totally agree with you 100%! I was reading all these crazy things about them too and just thinking what is wrong with these people just leave them alone.  Now I'm subscribed to you! Keep up the good work.

  • i love ur hair! :D

    

  • Your voice annoys me

  • The only thing that Blair has done that I don't like is when she lies about getting paid. I don't care if she gets paid but she shouldn't lie.

    But the names, who cares? The nose jobs, who cares? Them having money, who cares?

    I just don't get why people hate them so much...

  • Thank you so much for putting this up; it's a breath of fresh air. :)

  • i hate both of those fake bitches!

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  • Thank you!  I completely agree, I don't understand why people go out of their way to slam people on youtube, or anyone in general. If they don't like them they don't have to watch them! Greeat video :o))

  • whats the point of defending them? it is a fact that they whore out products.. regardless if they are any good or not. and theyre subscribers really trust their opinion.. it seems like these two gurus arent in this because of the joy of sharing beauty tips and tricks anymore, theire in it for the money... and youre baggering the bloger to.. thats exactly what youre telling poeple not to do... youre against yourself, your defending poeple u dont know.. theres no point!

  • we as subscribers have the freedom to sub or not, to watch vids or not so why start hate rants? why even sub to someone you detest that much. Oh did someone really say you should cut your tongue out? OMG that is horrible

  • Here are my thoughts on this topic- I don't understand the purpose of starting a "hate" blog about someone I mean if you don't like it- don't watch it. I've been subbed to lots of gurus who I then unsub to if I feel they are pushing products too much, I dont leave rude comments or start hate blogs, I just dont watch anymore. I've never subbed to L and Blair bec they don't interest me in the least.Michele has stopped doing vids bec of this bullshit and it just sux. again, dont like dont watch!

  • @MichCoccaBene stfu 

  • its great your so supportive but its good your arguing the ponts

  • This is a great video! I agree with you, but some parts were confusing. Also, the end was sort of mean. But great vid, and you did a good job on explaining. Check out some other "lies" they've told and defend them!

  • It's kind of absurd to me that you made this video. I think you just wanted the views from people typing in their names.

    You're irrelevant.

  • lady get a life

  • your just annoying and have no life.

    you seriously sit in front of your cam corder, and talk to it... and then upload it! Seriously? HAHA

  • Ok...I think it's crazy you all talk about these sisters good or bad! Who cares!! You all make them celebrities by talking about them...and they love it! Good or bad!! Jeeesh! LoL!

  • Perfectly said.

  • Thanks for keepin it real!

  • WTF 

  • I don't mind if a guru reviews a product that they did not purchase themselves, what's the difference with celebrity ads? I am sure so many gurus get tons of products to review per week and I'm glad that they choose to review the ones that stand out the most for good or bad. I love your channel by the way Thanx!!!!

  • your totaly right wow thankyou for saying it out loud :)

  • you know what I find funny? subscribers aren't allowed an opinion, however (and I do believe) "gurus" don't get "guru" status without SUBSCRIBERS! amazing how that works, huh? People come here to get honest, hands-on user reviews and tutorials, not sponsored reviews. No one like to be lied to, so "Gurus", don't underestimate the intelligence of your audience.

    ciao

  • Perfect

  • I think this is 100% accurate. Well said.

  • Elle is 22, if she cant pull a man thats her own problem. Blair lives with her mom and dad who if had a problem would tell her to stop. I have no problem with their fake names, how are you gonna back up their fake noses when they're promoting NATURAL beauty. And not the FTC disclaimer has proved them wrong YET AGAIN. They lie, deceive and cheat their subs& these silly little girls who watch them cant see it, do your research properly please

  • @gothgal06 its their lives, they can do whatever they want with it, kay? you dont like it, then stay out of it.

    i happen to be one of those "silly little girls". seriously, its you that sould be called "Silly". your hating when they arent doing anything wrong, yes they get paid but its for doing something they love! they give us tips and help us out unlike some celebrities that get paid even more.

  • @ninjatard12 i dont like it and no i wont stay out of it, im voicing my opinion on stupid 'makeup gurus' who get paid to sell expensive rubbish. Think twice, yes they are doin sumthing wrong, they rant about the young viewers and promote natural beauty like there's no tomorrow, yet get a nose job...sounds pretty natural to me! And hunny do your homework they get paid by youtube alone $400 for a video, excluding the companies that pay them to LIE BLANTANTLY

  • OMGGGG I TOTALLY AGREE!! U SAID IT PERFECTLY!! thank you sooooooo much

  • ok,i'm totally with you about the fake names...but why they don't admit it?

  • I think it's funny when people complain about gurus receiving free stuff or being paid sponsors. Makeup isn't cheap especially if you are trying to make multiple videos a week. Plus, these girls are not going to be young forever. They need to use their connections/fame to make a future for themselves (i.e Michelle Phan). Do you really think teeny boppers are going to watching E&B when they get wrinkles & gray hair? I think the blog makes 1 or 2 good points, but it mostly sounds like hearsay