Sounds like a good idea. I tried to show concern for two followers of Camping who was disappointed by this false teaching. Ive been trying to Biblically show them that Camping is so wrong on many levels. They dont seem very responsive but I just pray for them and keep my ear open for them. so God bless your efforts!
Wow, another church trying to capitalize off of something they believe is going to happen. I think all of you "see, I told you so" people really need to look deep down into your hearts and look at what you are doing. Let me put it this way, you call yourselves Christians, is this what Christ would do? Who knows, maybe God is giving us another chance and for the life of me I can't see why.
It's just more and more religious nuts popping up all over the place and the hits just keep right on a coming. LOL LMAO. Just pure navieness at it's finest.
@iiwatcher the bible it's self is proof. People who witnesed Jesus wrote in that book. And not to mention Sea shells fond on the top of mount everest prove that even the most rediculus passages were 100 percent true. So that gives people all right to use the bible as proof
@btheradcliffe People that heard about people witnessing jesus wrote those books. The earliest written one was about a hundred years after his death. So at least one generation.
@btheradcliffe the bible claims that earth is a cricle and/or flat, depending on wich passages. The reality is that earth is neither a circle or flat, it is a sphere. The bible is wrong on this account, and 1000s of others.
I do feel sorry for Camping's followers, however all they had to do was open their Bibles and read for themselves. Had they done so, they could have seen that none of Camping's predictions were based on scripture.
Harold Camping is a false teacher and his predictions should be ignored.
@palmer8112 Hey, where have you been? I'm waiting for your explanation as to why Judgement Day did not happen on May 21, 2011. "The Bible Guarantees It!" That's what all of Harold Camping's billboards and posters read. What do you think of Harold Camping now, by the way? Are you going to hold your breath until October 21, 2011 and see if he's right then? Let me give you a hint: Harold Camping was wrong in 1994. Harold Camping was wrong in 2011. Let me know if this sinks in.
@palmer8112: The church is Christs body. And you are going against what the bible says about the church. The people who follow Camping are brainwashed. If they still follow Harold Satan Camping they will indeed be the ones facing God sadly if they follow a false prophet they will burn in hell because these people are peddling the same nonsense as their false Christ: Harold Satan Camping.
@palmer8112: You were taking up for Camping before May 21st!! And Harold Satan is a cult leader. His people are now on a top ten cult list! He has been wrong 11 times now! The bible says now one will know Camping says: We can know or rather he is God and he does know. They rape, pervert and twist bible scriptures to the point that they make no sense. They ramble out random bible scriptures. It's sad and pathetic. It will not happen on October 21st and it wont happen in 2012 or 2013.
@firekind1980 Exactly, you know it must be so justifying and pleasurable for those Calvary Bible Church Milpitas people to remind them that Harold Camping is a false prophet, especially when their OWN beliefs are just as fake. It's like pouring salt on an open wound, and you know Christians lick up ALOT of salt.
everyone palmer8112 is just bitter and blind, the devil done a good job deceiving` him into thinking backwards. If e could prove his claims that the churches are ruled by Satan i would hear him out, but he has none. Satan ruling him and he is to busy trying to find a date for Jesus to pick him up instead of preaching the message of the cross.
@2drops0fwater I 100% agree with you, and this palmer8112 is the same moron that was claiming the world would end on may 21. On May 21 this coward went into hidding like his false prophet mentor Harold "false prophet" camping. I guess that now his mentor camping came out with a new date makes him feel brave enough to come out of hidding and wipe the egg off his face.. .Lol
nice to know other christians' support, but instead of after the fact, will they now discourage anybody in the future who predicts doomsday? they haven't learned their lesson if they won't.
If you do a little searching you'll find that Bible scholars and ministers actually were warning people against following Camping's ideas long before May 21st. Hank Hanegraaff is one example. I doubt mainstream media ever covered the forewarning of the responsible, rational, right Christians before the incident though. It is possible to differentiate us from the ridiculous right-wing folks. Actually, since right-wing has such a bad rep, maybe I'll just call us non-left.
Unless you have actual evidence that point this church's action as scrupulous, then we must try and give them the benefit of the doubt. These people look like they're really trying to help.
Harold Camping bares some responsibility on this matter because it's HIS message that he's preaching and not God's. In what part did the Bible even remotely hint that May 21st would be judgement day? The only thing I can come up with is Mark 13:32 which says the opposite! While he did not make anybody give up their wealth and possessions, Camping is leading people astray with a vary flawed philosophy that people are using to justify their actions. He needs to stop this mess.
dont help thosed people who quit theire jobs and sold their things they are stupid kunts after all this i feel like smacking the shit out of harold stupid asshole
how could it b just a coedincidence that we exist the world exist. all that is caused by god we weren't created by accident god has reasons. that goes for atheists
@realVision98 so let me get this straight. really, if anything, your gods reasons for creating us would probably just cause he was bored. i mean if he exists, which he really doesnt, were probably just like the antfarm he looks at to pass the time. sure we're a very violent and entertaining antfarm, but an antfarm all the same
@realVision98 Actually, it doesn't go for atheists...they don't believe in your God (the hint is in their title) and us agnostics are still looking for proof which never comes (please don't argue that us being here is proof, that doesn't wash with us). Don't rag on Camping, he's no nuttier than you...he just epitomises the stupidity of religion.
This is is a scum bag like many other religious figures who are caught time and time again preying on other's religious beliefs for their own financial gain.
we're here to save you from these lies........what we offer you is our own lies which are FAR more reliable than his lies. don't you know that OUR lies a backed by FACTUAL documents.......THE BIBLE. sure, we know that HE was reading the very same bible but the thing is that the lord jeebus chrisakes didn't give him the secre, coded message in his bible because he's a false profet but we have the secret code in ours because we have the REAL religion........
I look at the comments and its Lmao @ religion and Bible is a like and Christianity is all crap. Why do you guys say this? Because one guy made up some lies and trick some people. Every religion has its Extremest. Osama bin laden was a terrorist and like war and violence! does that mean i should hate all Muslims? NO i should not because that not what there religion teaches. before you guy bash another persons beliefs at least do some research
For the Critics and Mockers out there, you have no concern for Camping's followers. You start helping them to rebuild their shattered lives and then you can be critical of Calvery Bible Church!
LOL They want his dumb followers to go to their church to spend 10% at their church. LMAO @ Fucking Religion. They are like insurance companies switching carriers...Except at Calvary Bible Church you have got to be scared to death the entire time because “God will come back any second”
Christians are jack asses. Stop with the Bullshit already. Look in to history and find nothing that supports all that is in the Christian religion. This bullshit is make-believe for Adults.
It's sad that people need a religion to remain "sane" and to keep them in-check, because all they do is use it as a ways to justify hatred, wars, being rich, slavery, taking from others.
Oh yeah - fuck the muslims, the jews, and any religion that keeps a human being from free-thought.
@DexterFishbourne well since you obviously no so much about the bible.did you ever read more than a Page of it or even sentence? maybe you should before you should Know about my religion before you insult it. And Christians aren't "tricked" into believing the Bible we believe it because we want to
@rewriter100 Yeah Dude, I do actually know (note spelling) a bit about your book and religion...neither of which I really insulted or called them anything they are not. Being tricked is when you are told to believe something when the facts clearly dispute it. Of course you want to believe it, I also want to believe there is a magical man in the sky with a big plan for everything...unfortunately, the facts clearly show us there isn't. Anyway Dude, good luck with all that. Love and Peace.
the thing is that I don't care if people try to caculate their belief of the end of the world and stuff just keep it to yourself cause telling people isn't gonna do any good.
mr. preacher man... he says "sorry that people have believed the lie over and over... : hahaha. religion in a nutshell..... stop giving them money friggin' sheeples!
wow. we're sorry the wolf ate you and your money. but we're a slightly nicer wolf and we will try to not eat you until.......like...2020? if that's ok?
Why are people saying shit like, "This is why I'm atheist, Christians are nuts." 99.9% of Christians didn't even care about May 21st's rapture. Far conservative Christians give Christians like me a bad name -.-
People who think a man was nuts for believing that a zombie-Jew would come from the sky to destroy all of Earth and bring his followers to a paradise no one can see in this universe on a certain date.....but only for the "on a certain date" part. All Christians are nutters.
@MrBlah32 It is an unfortunate event that so many people were hurt spiritually, emotionally, and financially by this so-called prediction of Harold Camping. But sad to say, misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the Bible has been the bane of Christianity throughout history. There are many warnings throughout the Bible--even verses quoted by Jesus himself-- about the false doctrines and teachings of false "Godly" people. The Bible has never been a threat to humanity...it's our abuse of it.
@MrBlah32 being an atheist, you have removed God from your lives, harold camping's predictions were very wrong, but removing part of your human nature to believe in a higher power, believing in your only lord, and your only creator will bring nothing but misery for you in the Day Of Judgement, you will have no excuse, and all your words and beliefs will haunt you and you know this deep down in your soul. There is much much much more to life than what you were brainwashed to believe.
Your statement is irrelevant, he wasn't denouncing Christianity in any way shape of form, in fact, he was praising the Christians who are doing the right thing and helping other people.
If someone complements you, generally it's considered a bit rude to tell them that they are bad people and are going to hell, in fact, it confirms any suspicions they had about the lack of logic some Christians possess. You're actually hurting the GOOD Christians when you talk like that.
@truthproject786 part of human nature is not to believe in a higher power.this is just a product of peoples fears over what they can't control.if your god is so caring and gives so much love, how can he forsake those who don't believe?do parents of special needs children forsake their kids, of course not. and brainwashed, religion is brainwashing. making people belive that they can simply talk to the air and do nothing else to solve their problems is senseless. i am an atheist for these reasons.
@truthproject786 Hey Dickhead...Atheists and Agnostics don't have a judgement day...that's your fairytale, not ours. Have you ever stopped to think that we're right? There is so much more to life than what you were brainwashed to believe
i dont feel bad for them. theyre stupid and ignorant. none of those morons would listen to reason and instead chose to listen to an insane 89 year old man. in the process, they did just idiotic things like quitting their jobs and spending their savings. their kind is exactly what stops the world from progressing.
I guess God thought WW2 was a good idea? Or the plague? Or AIDS? Why would he let his "children" suffer if he really loves them? Wake up! A fairy tale.
@WiiFolderJosh well if god loved his "children" then he would intervene would he not? and dont give me that he has his reasons for not doing so bullshit....its cause he doesnt exist. there really is nobody to pray to, no big man in the sky to protect you or watch over you.
hmm harold camping said the world would end..again. according to the bible that's a false prophet. guess what happens to false prophets in the bible? stoned to death.
Hey Jacob....shut the fuck up and go back to embezzeling funds from the idiots that believe this shit , instigating endless wars and molesting kids...Youve plagued mankind with your religious horseshit for 2011 years now. Or better yet rapture all the Christians AND the Muslims so they will kill each other... AND GET THE FUCK OUTA HERE....
@JohnnyNitroAZ wow dude take a break or something n 2011 years -_- smart right? before you judge everyone have a clue of what they're like judging a group of people because that false claims makes a mistake
@JohnnyNitroAZ Choke yourself dude. Why don't you follow the money trails and other influence behind all this "religious horse shit". You'll be surprised how much of it is a direct result of atheists and objectioners of the religious influence that defines most nations.
I love it how allot of non-religious call the religious, "tools". It's the other way around. You see, less mature people are vulnerable to manipulation from all fronts. It doesn't matter if they are religious or not. You= Troll
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha i can't stop laughing for the idiots who belived him! this is what you get!
@MiKeMaLiCe666 I think the funniest part about your comment is that fact that most people who CALL themselves Christians are not actually and therefore they would stay on earth :)
Aghhh, crazy people inviting people to do more crazy things. Don't listen to him he is crazy, we think that the rupture will happen, but, we won't see it coming; we just have to be ready. You still believe in the rapture, HELLO, both groups are just as crazy.
harold camping caused alot of problems. my daughter 14 was really scared that something was going to happen. i know their is freedom of speach but this is a little to far. his prediction really affected alot of people
I like the 2 Peter 1:20 sign that they have up. Its so ironic that they are one of 36,000 denominations with just another interpretation of the Bible that they make without authority to do so.... ugh.
lol..... they just looking for more members for their church, the more people they can get in their church the more money they can collect. thats how the all churches work......it's a business my friend, it always is and it will always be like that.
@carizashine13 While I personally understand your harshness, they still need help because what has happen to them has nothing to do with religion. They need to be brought back into a fold that they won't have to worry about when the world should end. Overall, they need regain comfort in their own lives and maybe this group of people can help.
Father my brothers and sister are hurting right now. Please touch us to reach out to our brothers and sisters, to help them in any way we can. Jesus said if you love Me feed My Sheep.
I'm really sick of people tearing down Christianity. REAL Christians follow the teachings of Christ instead of worrying about the end of the world. Actions truly show if you are a Christian or not. Anyone can claim to be a Christian and completely destroy the meaning by what they do. So please, don't scoff at people who truly follow the bible because of nutcases like this ruined your view of the religion.
@missartist123 There is no such thing as a 'real' christian. It's all BS. Following the bible or any other religious book is for fools. Revolving your lives around bronze-age myths is insane. Christianity deserves to be torn down, along with all other ridiculous beliefs. Without religion half the world's problems would go away. The sooner we grow out of religion the better off the world will be.
@iiwatcher honestly the teachings of christ are very universal. It's not about religion. It's about a moral way of living. Hindu's and Buddhists teach the same thing as what Christ taught. There's nothing foolish in going to a book that has teachings like this. it would be like reading a book about Ghandi or Mother Theresa.
@missartist123 the problem is how its interpreted, unfortunately, religion is a source of great strife on this earth, and really, it has done nothing good for humanity or this earth. the problem is the religious zealots, and the anti-god zealots, extremist views of BOTH sides are dangerous
@ledzeppelinrools Man, I completely agree with you on this. It's the people on both extremes who ruin it for everyone else. I feel like I'm a pretty spiritual person but I can't stand the fact that every church that I go to there is something off about them or they're always asking money like a homeless person on the side of the road. It's sad how the churches have become just another company. But I do believe within any religious book there are truths that help people understand themselves
@ledzeppelinrools You keep speaking of "dangerous and extremist views" about religion but you don't say what they are, or why and how they're dangerous. Please elaborate.
@iiwatcher alright for example, to have such an extremem view that your religion is the only right one to the point that it gets violent when somebody questions it is wrong, similarly, to have such an extreme view of atheism to the point that you feel like you must question people's religion's to their faces, which causes strife and violence
I do not have "an extreme view of atheism," as you put it. What I am doing is simply pointing out that religion is a crock; it causes more strife & suffering than good & the good that can be gleaned from it, can be had w/o religion. If I'm merely saying what's true, & religious people react by causing strife & violence, then it only proves my point. Religious people need to be confronted bc what they propagate is too damaging to ignore. W/o religion half the world's problems go away.
@iiwatcher who said you did? i also think that religion is an utter crock, the difference is saying it to a believer's face, that can be dangerous. and what you say is true, which is one of the reasons i don't believe in violence in the name of a fairytale. but not all religious people are extreme, most are perfectly rational. the problem is that religion carries enough power to make even the most rational person extreme when they want to defend their beliefs
@ledzeppelinrools Nonsense. Read the bible without interpreting it, and it's still a horrible book. Furthermore, your "anti-god zealot" argument doesn't make sense. If someone doesn't believe in god, they cannot be anti-god. One cannot be against someone that doesn't exist.
You either don't read the bible, or you cherry pick it for what you like, and ignore the rest. Either way, your comment is disingenuous because you act like you know what you're talking about but you don't. Jebus taught about the tortures of hell for non-believers, no divorce for women, and that he came not to bring peace, but a sword, among other nonsense. Further, religion is not necessary for moral living. If anything there is more immoral behavior in the world, overall, bc of it.
@missartist123 Yes, people who bother to educate themselves and look into things for evidence know what they are talking about. Those who do not inform themselves, do not. Your relativist thinking is for lazy morons who want to be able to have a say w/o being criticized for being willfully ignorant. That doesn't fly in the real world. "I belch at your comment." Yes, I know, that's the best you can do. I rest my case.
@iiwatcher seriously man? I said that comment to be funny. You need to chill out. seriously. I mean you obviously like to pick fights with almost EVERYONE on this video who comments. get a life.
@missartist123 I suggest you read a dictionary and learn what a personal attack is. If to you, this is a fight, i suggest you stay home because you won't be able to handle the real world. Whining and moaning and being all offended is not a valid counter.
I too enjoy your hilarity although you don't mean it--product of your laughable attempt at intellect & wit. Still no counter? i thought so. Run along now little girl. ; )
@iiwatcher Just because a person goes to a donut store, that doesn't make them a cop. Just because a person goes to an airport, that doesn't make them a plane. And just because a person goes to church doesn't make them a Christian. Claiming to be a Christian and quoting from scripture doesn't necessarily make one Christian. An Orthodox Muslim will tell you that just because A Nation of Islam member quotes from the Quran, claims to be muslim doesn't make them Muslim.
@PraiseYeshua Your silly logic is laughable. For any chritian to be a 'true' christian, christianity must be true. You have your whole work ahead of you to even begin to prove that. HINT: quoting scripture is not proof, evidence, or even a good argument. it's nothing more than blind faith in a bronze-age book of myths. Try again.
*YAWN* You are demonstrating so far either you don't know what a myth is or you are just parroting what your athiest buddies say or you are just plain dishonest. There are a few tests we can use to demonstrate something is a myth. First of all myths are not based on archelogical or historical facts. Prior to the 1950's Athiests would argue that the Hittites were a myth. To their embarassment, they were proven wrong. There was an Egypt, a Babylonian Empire.
@iiwatcher Secondly myths cannot contain scientific facts. The ratio of a standard ocean liner is 6:1. The Titanic for instance had that ratio. Noah's Ark in the Bible had that ratio. Also, astronomy has shown that there is a constellation called Orion and the Paliades which Job speaks of in Job 38:31-32. So the Bible fails the test of being a myth based on science.
@iiwatcher Moreover, where's the archelogical evidence for Thor, Mars, Ra, et. al.? Granted, there's evidence they were worshiped. However, there's no archelogical evidence that attempts to substantiate their existence. Myths by definition are not based on historical, archelogical facts even though that can be said that myths are based on distorted historical facts. There was a Roman Empire, an Assyrian Empire and a Hittite Empire, Pharaohs, and a King Herod.
@iiwatcher The Bible due to the fact that it's based on actual archelogical facts therefore fails the test of being a myth. OBTW, your buddies Stalin and Mao who were Athiests already showed us a world without Christianity.
@PraiseYeshua Stalin and mao did not do what they did in the name of atheism. Nice try but FAIL. What they used was the same religious paradigm as christians, except that the state was god instead of christ or your 'eshua.' Everything else was almost identical. OTOH, The atrocities that were done by religious people were all done in the name of your, & their god & in the name of their (& your) holy books. Furthermore, nice try but Stalin & Mao are not my buddies. Try again.
Mr. Camping is Horribly wrong! God has not forsaken the Church..some certain individuals yes but not His elect.
AlbertaZanoah 1 month ago
lol reaching out to people who bought the lie...and indoctrinate you to our lie which is the truth because we believe it!
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youneekk 4 months ago
Jesus loved the poor and those outcast by society. More Christians should try following Christ's teachings.
AnotherAmateur 6 months ago
So quit one church and follow another. For a small donation of course=/
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metamorphosis743 4 months ago
Sounds like a good idea. I tried to show concern for two followers of Camping who was disappointed by this false teaching. Ive been trying to Biblically show them that Camping is so wrong on many levels. They dont seem very responsive but I just pray for them and keep my ear open for them. so God bless your efforts!
NevzDaAx 8 months ago
Wow, another church trying to capitalize off of something they believe is going to happen. I think all of you "see, I told you so" people really need to look deep down into your hearts and look at what you are doing. Let me put it this way, you call yourselves Christians, is this what Christ would do? Who knows, maybe God is giving us another chance and for the life of me I can't see why.
concious2 8 months ago
It's just more and more religious nuts popping up all over the place and the hits just keep right on a coming. LOL LMAO. Just pure navieness at it's finest.
kwolf43 8 months ago
@iiwatcher the bible it's self is proof. People who witnesed Jesus wrote in that book. And not to mention Sea shells fond on the top of mount everest prove that even the most rediculus passages were 100 percent true. So that gives people all right to use the bible as proof
btheradcliffe 8 months ago
@btheradcliffe People that heard about people witnessing jesus wrote those books. The earliest written one was about a hundred years after his death. So at least one generation.
RoHbotic 8 months ago
@btheradcliffe nut case.100% true? you have no idea what truth is stick to your fairytale's.
pandorachild 8 months ago
@btheradcliffe the bible claims that earth is a cricle and/or flat, depending on wich passages. The reality is that earth is neither a circle or flat, it is a sphere. The bible is wrong on this account, and 1000s of others.
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youneekk 9 months ago
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Flaargleberry 9 months ago
I do feel sorry for Camping's followers, however all they had to do was open their Bibles and read for themselves. Had they done so, they could have seen that none of Camping's predictions were based on scripture.
Harold Camping is a false teacher and his predictions should be ignored.
EmotionalResQ 9 months ago
I wonder what Harold camping wants to do to help.
tuffythetiger 9 months ago
edvisigoth 9 months ago
wow i was waiting for this moment
walker20082009 9 months ago
@palmer8112 So how's that May 21, 2011 thing going for you ??
dashawnthl 9 months ago
@palmer8112: The church is Christs body. And you are going against what the bible says about the church. The people who follow Camping are brainwashed. If they still follow Harold Satan Camping they will indeed be the ones facing God sadly if they follow a false prophet they will burn in hell because these people are peddling the same nonsense as their false Christ: Harold Satan Camping.
Eternalsummersong 9 months ago
@palmer8112: At least not on the days he or anyone picks.
Eternalsummersong 9 months ago
@palmer8112: You were taking up for Camping before May 21st!! And Harold Satan is a cult leader. His people are now on a top ten cult list! He has been wrong 11 times now! The bible says now one will know Camping says: We can know or rather he is God and he does know. They rape, pervert and twist bible scriptures to the point that they make no sense. They ramble out random bible scriptures. It's sad and pathetic. It will not happen on October 21st and it wont happen in 2012 or 2013.
Eternalsummersong 9 months ago
I like the way these people waited till after the 21st before doing anything.
firekind1980 9 months ago
@firekind1980 Exactly, you know it must be so justifying and pleasurable for those Calvary Bible Church Milpitas people to remind them that Harold Camping is a false prophet, especially when their OWN beliefs are just as fake. It's like pouring salt on an open wound, and you know Christians lick up ALOT of salt.
Water4Jeremiah 9 months ago
everyone palmer8112 is just bitter and blind, the devil done a good job deceiving` him into thinking backwards. If e could prove his claims that the churches are ruled by Satan i would hear him out, but he has none. Satan ruling him and he is to busy trying to find a date for Jesus to pick him up instead of preaching the message of the cross.
2drops0fwater 9 months ago
@2drops0fwater I 100% agree with you, and this palmer8112 is the same moron that was claiming the world would end on may 21. On May 21 this coward went into hidding like his false prophet mentor Harold "false prophet" camping. I guess that now his mentor camping came out with a new date makes him feel brave enough to come out of hidding and wipe the egg off his face.. .Lol
dashawnthl 9 months ago
I am agnostic (I just don’t know the origins of our existence and our perceived universe) and nobody truly knows because nobody has any proof.
The biggest bullshit is the God of Abraham, Isic and Jacob. There is no heaven or hell.
I don’t hate Christians, Muslims or any religious person, I just feel sorry for their blindness. They were fed lies and were brainwashed.
I really don’t believe in GOD but if there is a GOD than FUCK HIM multiplied by infinite!
TeachMeMMA 9 months ago
Moon walk @ 1:22 !!
chris111690 9 months ago
@chris111690 1:20
chris111690 9 months ago
nice to know other christians' support, but instead of after the fact, will they now discourage anybody in the future who predicts doomsday? they haven't learned their lesson if they won't.
nastassja08 9 months ago
@nastassja08
If you do a little searching you'll find that Bible scholars and ministers actually were warning people against following Camping's ideas long before May 21st. Hank Hanegraaff is one example. I doubt mainstream media ever covered the forewarning of the responsible, rational, right Christians before the incident though. It is possible to differentiate us from the ridiculous right-wing folks. Actually, since right-wing has such a bad rep, maybe I'll just call us non-left.
jeffreyontheway 9 months ago
@nastassja08 ofcourse they won't they'll just wait and see after if it happens, and if it doesn't happen then they'll do this.
tore650 9 months ago
@palmer8112
Unless you have actual evidence that point this church's action as scrupulous, then we must try and give them the benefit of the doubt. These people look like they're really trying to help.
3DOGGUSA 9 months ago
@palmer8112
Harold Camping bares some responsibility on this matter because it's HIS message that he's preaching and not God's. In what part did the Bible even remotely hint that May 21st would be judgement day? The only thing I can come up with is Mark 13:32 which says the opposite! While he did not make anybody give up their wealth and possessions, Camping is leading people astray with a vary flawed philosophy that people are using to justify their actions. He needs to stop this mess.
3DOGGUSA 9 months ago
dont help thosed people who quit theire jobs and sold their things they are stupid kunts after all this i feel like smacking the shit out of harold stupid asshole
xxx3BUEHRLE1xxx 9 months ago
Harold Camping is now saying its in October lol what does he think this is the lottery?
nx2overide 9 months ago
Obviously harolds so called church is a corporation out for the money and using religion and fear to make the big bucks
trappedinmydream 9 months ago
This fucker just doesn't learn.
He's trying again in Oct!
willdrake1 9 months ago
the world will end when we less expect it. people r sure that it will b on 2012 but none of us really know.
realVision98 9 months ago
how could it b just a coedincidence that we exist the world exist. all that is caused by god we weren't created by accident god has reasons. that goes for atheists
realVision98 9 months ago
@realVision98 atheists don't believe the world/life is a coincidence, that is made up by religious nut jobs like Camping
aierce 9 months ago
@realVision98 so let me get this straight. really, if anything, your gods reasons for creating us would probably just cause he was bored. i mean if he exists, which he really doesnt, were probably just like the antfarm he looks at to pass the time. sure we're a very violent and entertaining antfarm, but an antfarm all the same
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
@realVision98 Actually, it doesn't go for atheists...they don't believe in your God (the hint is in their title) and us agnostics are still looking for proof which never comes (please don't argue that us being here is proof, that doesn't wash with us). Don't rag on Camping, he's no nuttier than you...he just epitomises the stupidity of religion.
DexterFishbourne 9 months ago
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musicuseit 9 months ago
This is is a scum bag like many other religious figures who are caught time and time again preying on other's religious beliefs for their own financial gain.
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dyingtodeath 9 months ago
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ImJustOldMate 9 months ago
@ImJustOldMate jeebus chrisakes! ROFLMAO
kehbe 9 months ago
I look at the comments and its Lmao @ religion and Bible is a like and Christianity is all crap. Why do you guys say this? Because one guy made up some lies and trick some people. Every religion has its Extremest. Osama bin laden was a terrorist and like war and violence! does that mean i should hate all Muslims? NO i should not because that not what there religion teaches. before you guy bash another persons beliefs at least do some research
rewriter100 9 months ago
@rewriter100
Well said! It's a pity that one person that's a bad apple tend to make the whole barrel look rotten...
3DOGGUSA 9 months ago
For the Critics and Mockers out there, you have no concern for Camping's followers. You start helping them to rebuild their shattered lives and then you can be critical of Calvery Bible Church!
REVPIPSTER 9 months ago
crazy calling crazy, crazy
NewYorkRangers89 9 months ago
LOL They want his dumb followers to go to their church to spend 10% at their church. LMAO @ Fucking Religion. They are like insurance companies switching carriers...Except at Calvary Bible Church you have got to be scared to death the entire time because “God will come back any second”
Derail07 9 months ago
Christians are jack asses. Stop with the Bullshit already. Look in to history and find nothing that supports all that is in the Christian religion. This bullshit is make-believe for Adults.
It's sad that people need a religion to remain "sane" and to keep them in-check, because all they do is use it as a ways to justify hatred, wars, being rich, slavery, taking from others.
Oh yeah - fuck the muslims, the jews, and any religion that keeps a human being from free-thought.
otraxo 9 months ago
"Bought the lie..." does he mean the lie of Christianity? He's selling the same lie from the same book!
DexterFishbourne 9 months ago
@DexterFishbourne He wasn't talking about the bible he was talking about the Lie Harold camping tricked Christians into believing
rewriter100 9 months ago
@rewriter100 the bible IS the LIE that christians are tricked into believing. I'm getting an insight into why you are christian...
DexterFishbourne 9 months ago
@DexterFishbourne well since you obviously no so much about the bible.did you ever read more than a Page of it or even sentence? maybe you should before you should Know about my religion before you insult it. And Christians aren't "tricked" into believing the Bible we believe it because we want to
rewriter100 9 months ago
@rewriter100 Yeah Dude, I do actually know (note spelling) a bit about your book and religion...neither of which I really insulted or called them anything they are not. Being tricked is when you are told to believe something when the facts clearly dispute it. Of course you want to believe it, I also want to believe there is a magical man in the sky with a big plan for everything...unfortunately, the facts clearly show us there isn't. Anyway Dude, good luck with all that. Love and Peace.
DexterFishbourne 9 months ago
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Gmmaverick 9 months ago
you dumb religious people..the bible is a comic book of fear
ARTSPAD 9 months ago
@ARTSPAD I love that phrase, "A comic book of fear." Brilliant. Is it yours?
MckyMseNTarotCrds 9 months ago
@ARTSPAD Maybe if you read "MY Book" (which its called the Bible) then you would see it teaches on Love Kindness and Forgiveness.
rewriter100 9 months ago
the thing is that I don't care if people try to caculate their belief of the end of the world and stuff just keep it to yourself cause telling people isn't gonna do any good.
JohnDoe2089 9 months ago
So by reaching out that Priest or Priecher or w/e is spreading more lies. About a God etc.. FUCK OFF LYERS!
GanjaGrowers 9 months ago
mr. preacher man... he says "sorry that people have believed the lie over and over... : hahaha. religion in a nutshell..... stop giving them money friggin' sheeples!
waterspindle 9 months ago
@waterspindle couldn't have said it better myself.
GanjaGrowers 9 months ago
wow. we're sorry the wolf ate you and your money. but we're a slightly nicer wolf and we will try to not eat you until.......like...2020? if that's ok?
waterspindle 9 months ago
I give props to them for helping those that have fallen to lie that Harold Camping gave them!
lawrence20081987 9 months ago
so they are mad because they didnt die?
MrMilky40 9 months ago
What the hell is a peter in the bible?
suicidetony 9 months ago
it may even rise up within the church?well that covers the bases..........
bocephus3006 9 months ago
Does Camping file taxes??
Leonnidik 9 months ago
Why are people saying shit like, "This is why I'm atheist, Christians are nuts." 99.9% of Christians didn't even care about May 21st's rapture. Far conservative Christians give Christians like me a bad name -.-
kpopgiiirl 9 months ago 24
@kpopgiiirl you took the words right out of my mouth
assassainsblood 9 months ago
People who think a man was nuts for believing that a zombie-Jew would come from the sky to destroy all of Earth and bring his followers to a paradise no one can see in this universe on a certain date.....but only for the "on a certain date" part. All Christians are nutters.
CliffM85 9 months ago
this guy knows what hes talking about
mrjamespage 9 months ago
NO, those retards who believed Harold Camping deserve to cry alone in their closets.
xmonke55 9 months ago
church warfare. awesome.
W0nderBreed 9 months ago
Don't these people have jobs?
mindstormsabrewin 9 months ago
@mindstormsabrewin Probably, but not everyone works 25 hours a day like you
thesIeepywiIIow 9 months ago
im an atheist and like i think u guys are doing a good thing help those that followed harold camping
MrBlah32 9 months ago 23
@MrBlah32 It is an unfortunate event that so many people were hurt spiritually, emotionally, and financially by this so-called prediction of Harold Camping. But sad to say, misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the Bible has been the bane of Christianity throughout history. There are many warnings throughout the Bible--even verses quoted by Jesus himself-- about the false doctrines and teachings of false "Godly" people. The Bible has never been a threat to humanity...it's our abuse of it.
conkpit 9 months ago 2
@conkpit nicely said
aierce 9 months ago
@conkpit Excellently put, and I agree 100%.
TheDoctor394 9 months ago
@MrBlah32 being an atheist, you have removed God from your lives, harold camping's predictions were very wrong, but removing part of your human nature to believe in a higher power, believing in your only lord, and your only creator will bring nothing but misery for you in the Day Of Judgement, you will have no excuse, and all your words and beliefs will haunt you and you know this deep down in your soul. There is much much much more to life than what you were brainwashed to believe.
truthproject786 9 months ago
@truthproject786
Your statement is irrelevant, he wasn't denouncing Christianity in any way shape of form, in fact, he was praising the Christians who are doing the right thing and helping other people.
If someone complements you, generally it's considered a bit rude to tell them that they are bad people and are going to hell, in fact, it confirms any suspicions they had about the lack of logic some Christians possess. You're actually hurting the GOOD Christians when you talk like that.
MrRichardATrice 9 months ago
@truthproject786 part of human nature is not to believe in a higher power.this is just a product of peoples fears over what they can't control.if your god is so caring and gives so much love, how can he forsake those who don't believe?do parents of special needs children forsake their kids, of course not. and brainwashed, religion is brainwashing. making people belive that they can simply talk to the air and do nothing else to solve their problems is senseless. i am an atheist for these reasons.
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
@truthproject786 Hey Dickhead...Atheists and Agnostics don't have a judgement day...that's your fairytale, not ours. Have you ever stopped to think that we're right? There is so much more to life than what you were brainwashed to believe
DexterFishbourne 9 months ago
@MrBlah32 honestly the ones that bought the whole rapture shit deserved whatever they did to themselves...
tore650 9 months ago
@MrBlah32 If you were an atheist, you would have better grammar and spelling.
However I do support this group of people, who's motives seem pure enough.
dontcatchmehighdude 9 months ago
@MrBlah32 That's great for you to say that. :-)
TheDoctor394 9 months ago
i dont feel bad for them. theyre stupid and ignorant. none of those morons would listen to reason and instead chose to listen to an insane 89 year old man. in the process, they did just idiotic things like quitting their jobs and spending their savings. their kind is exactly what stops the world from progressing.
Creepermatt 9 months ago
We need some atheist signs to lead misguided people to the real truth!
maine1600 9 months ago
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C1Era 9 months ago
I guess God thought WW2 was a good idea? Or the plague? Or AIDS? Why would he let his "children" suffer if he really loves them? Wake up! A fairy tale.
34201618 9 months ago
@34201618 All of the things you mentioned were created by man.
WiiFolderJosh 9 months ago
@WiiFolderJosh well if god loved his "children" then he would intervene would he not? and dont give me that he has his reasons for not doing so bullshit....its cause he doesnt exist. there really is nobody to pray to, no big man in the sky to protect you or watch over you.
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
hmm harold camping said the world would end..again. according to the bible that's a false prophet. guess what happens to false prophets in the bible? stoned to death.
racoonpooon 9 months ago
religious extremists protesting religious extremists...
HelloWalterSobchak 9 months ago
Hey Jacob....shut the fuck up and go back to embezzeling funds from the idiots that believe this shit , instigating endless wars and molesting kids...Youve plagued mankind with your religious horseshit for 2011 years now. Or better yet rapture all the Christians AND the Muslims so they will kill each other... AND GET THE FUCK OUTA HERE....
JohnnyNitroAZ 9 months ago
@JohnnyNitroAZ wow dude take a break or something n 2011 years -_- smart right? before you judge everyone have a clue of what they're like judging a group of people because that false claims makes a mistake
LilJay0103 9 months ago
@JohnnyNitroAZ you seem a little mad bro
leaf732 9 months ago
@JohnnyNitroAZ Choke yourself dude. Why don't you follow the money trails and other influence behind all this "religious horse shit". You'll be surprised how much of it is a direct result of atheists and objectioners of the religious influence that defines most nations.
I love it how allot of non-religious call the religious, "tools". It's the other way around. You see, less mature people are vulnerable to manipulation from all fronts. It doesn't matter if they are religious or not. You= Troll
jihadjared 9 months ago
BS Harold Camping's predictions were right, it just so happens that Chuck Norris doesn't work on weekends
4SangreNueva19 9 months ago
all that mess was was statistics now churches are getting desprate to get numbers. its all a scam just to get u to come to church.
jennroxursox08 9 months ago
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha i can't stop laughing for the idiots who belived him! this is what you get!
MrScarygames 9 months ago
I wish the rapture did happen, a world without Christians sounds great. even if we only had a few months to enjoy it
MiKeMaLiCe666 9 months ago
@MiKeMaLiCe666 I think the funniest part about your comment is that fact that most people who CALL themselves Christians are not actually and therefore they would stay on earth :)
FIashakaDan 9 months ago
Aghhh, crazy people inviting people to do more crazy things. Don't listen to him he is crazy, we think that the rupture will happen, but, we won't see it coming; we just have to be ready. You still believe in the rapture, HELLO, both groups are just as crazy.
GTXRussianXTG 9 months ago
I'm glad someone is trying to help these people
gem3020 9 months ago
Yeah, Looking at the gloating smiles of the placard-wavers makes wonder...
TheAndrecilliers 9 months ago
harold camping caused alot of problems. my daughter 14 was really scared that something was going to happen. i know their is freedom of speach but this is a little to far. his prediction really affected alot of people
russj121 9 months ago
@russj121 It affacted alot of people, but why did people even believed what he said in the first place lol
agentaquarius11 9 months ago
I like the 2 Peter 1:20 sign that they have up. Its so ironic that they are one of 36,000 denominations with just another interpretation of the Bible that they make without authority to do so.... ugh.
TheRougeHawksClan 9 months ago
Bad dream for them? More like good reality check.
turkeydogification 9 months ago
they don't need another religion
RestDayer 9 months ago
lol..... they just looking for more members for their church, the more people they can get in their church the more money they can collect. thats how the all churches work......it's a business my friend, it always is and it will always be like that.
chickenleggs360 9 months ago
Vultures and opportunists. Ya gotta love religion.
DarkHorse0863 9 months ago
lol I used to live there (my home town)
PimpMatt0 9 months ago
Why the fuck should you waste your time and help those fags that believed Harold Camping?
It's their fault to be pathetic enough to believe his bullshit.
Don't help them.
That's what they get for believing a fucking mental 89 year old man.
carizashine13 9 months ago
@carizashine13
But having that thought makes you no better than camping.
PimpMatt0 9 months ago
@carizashine13 While I personally understand your harshness, they still need help because what has happen to them has nothing to do with religion. They need to be brought back into a fold that they won't have to worry about when the world should end. Overall, they need regain comfort in their own lives and maybe this group of people can help.
EckonicMaster 9 months ago
Father my brothers and sister are hurting right now. Please touch us to reach out to our brothers and sisters, to help them in any way we can. Jesus said if you love Me feed My Sheep.
Jasper50 9 months ago
I wonder howmutch money he made from this Stupid LIE?
furby714 9 months ago
The worst thing to happen to religion is religious people.
LtEggSalad86 9 months ago 11
@LtEggSalad86 only a dumbass would belibe aoldguy with a badly compused book
cinereyes 9 months ago
@cinereyes lot of dumbasses out there too.
LtEggSalad86 9 months ago
@LtEggSalad86 , well said. After all, it was religious people who murdered Jesus Christ.
wisetrendtrader 9 months ago
@LtEggSalad86 seems to be contradictory
PiorunofLV 9 months ago
FUCK YOU DUMB BITCH THEY CHOSE TO FOLLOW THIS OLD FAGGOT AND TURN DOWN THE WORD OF GOD FUCK THESE FAGGOTS
BadEgg55 9 months ago
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iiwatcher 9 months ago
Unorthodox way of interpreting the bible? I think all Christians do that, morons..
CharlesSpeaks 9 months ago
And the fleecing of the sheep by other sheep begins.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
Cult !!
genrenazi 9 months ago
I'm really sick of people tearing down Christianity. REAL Christians follow the teachings of Christ instead of worrying about the end of the world. Actions truly show if you are a Christian or not. Anyone can claim to be a Christian and completely destroy the meaning by what they do. So please, don't scoff at people who truly follow the bible because of nutcases like this ruined your view of the religion.
missartist123 9 months ago
@missartist123 There is no such thing as a 'real' christian. It's all BS. Following the bible or any other religious book is for fools. Revolving your lives around bronze-age myths is insane. Christianity deserves to be torn down, along with all other ridiculous beliefs. Without religion half the world's problems would go away. The sooner we grow out of religion the better off the world will be.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
@iiwatcher honestly the teachings of christ are very universal. It's not about religion. It's about a moral way of living. Hindu's and Buddhists teach the same thing as what Christ taught. There's nothing foolish in going to a book that has teachings like this. it would be like reading a book about Ghandi or Mother Theresa.
missartist123 9 months ago
@missartist123 the problem is how its interpreted, unfortunately, religion is a source of great strife on this earth, and really, it has done nothing good for humanity or this earth. the problem is the religious zealots, and the anti-god zealots, extremist views of BOTH sides are dangerous
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools Man, I completely agree with you on this. It's the people on both extremes who ruin it for everyone else. I feel like I'm a pretty spiritual person but I can't stand the fact that every church that I go to there is something off about them or they're always asking money like a homeless person on the side of the road. It's sad how the churches have become just another company. But I do believe within any religious book there are truths that help people understand themselves
missartist123 9 months ago
@missartist123 if only there was a way to show this to the world, so that nobody would have these dangerous and extremist views about religion.
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools You keep speaking of "dangerous and extremist views" about religion but you don't say what they are, or why and how they're dangerous. Please elaborate.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
@iiwatcher alright for example, to have such an extremem view that your religion is the only right one to the point that it gets violent when somebody questions it is wrong, similarly, to have such an extreme view of atheism to the point that you feel like you must question people's religion's to their faces, which causes strife and violence
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
I do not have "an extreme view of atheism," as you put it. What I am doing is simply pointing out that religion is a crock; it causes more strife & suffering than good & the good that can be gleaned from it, can be had w/o religion. If I'm merely saying what's true, & religious people react by causing strife & violence, then it only proves my point. Religious people need to be confronted bc what they propagate is too damaging to ignore. W/o religion half the world's problems go away.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
@iiwatcher who said you did? i also think that religion is an utter crock, the difference is saying it to a believer's face, that can be dangerous. and what you say is true, which is one of the reasons i don't believe in violence in the name of a fairytale. but not all religious people are extreme, most are perfectly rational. the problem is that religion carries enough power to make even the most rational person extreme when they want to defend their beliefs
ledzeppelinrools 9 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools Nonsense. Read the bible without interpreting it, and it's still a horrible book. Furthermore, your "anti-god zealot" argument doesn't make sense. If someone doesn't believe in god, they cannot be anti-god. One cannot be against someone that doesn't exist.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
You either don't read the bible, or you cherry pick it for what you like, and ignore the rest. Either way, your comment is disingenuous because you act like you know what you're talking about but you don't. Jebus taught about the tortures of hell for non-believers, no divorce for women, and that he came not to bring peace, but a sword, among other nonsense. Further, religion is not necessary for moral living. If anything there is more immoral behavior in the world, overall, bc of it.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
@iiwatcher but you act like you know what you talk about. Does anybody REALLY know what they talk about? I belch at your comment.
missartist123 9 months ago
@missartist123 Yes, people who bother to educate themselves and look into things for evidence know what they are talking about. Those who do not inform themselves, do not. Your relativist thinking is for lazy morons who want to be able to have a say w/o being criticized for being willfully ignorant. That doesn't fly in the real world. "I belch at your comment." Yes, I know, that's the best you can do. I rest my case.
iiwatcher 8 months ago
@iiwatcher seriously man? I said that comment to be funny. You need to chill out. seriously. I mean you obviously like to pick fights with almost EVERYONE on this video who comments. get a life.
missartist123 8 months ago
@missartist123 This is not a fight, it's a discussion, maybe a debate but that's it. Have you always been so sensitive? Taper it down.
iiwatcher 8 months ago
@iiwatcher it's a fight when you personally attack someone. A discussion is not what we are having.
missartist123 8 months ago
@missartist123 I suggest you read a dictionary and learn what a personal attack is. If to you, this is a fight, i suggest you stay home because you won't be able to handle the real world. Whining and moaning and being all offended is not a valid counter.
iiwatcher 8 months ago
@iiwatcher Whatever you say, troll.
missartist123 8 months ago
@missartist123 I don't think your responses can get any weaker. Stop embarrassing yourself, give it up & move along.
iiwatcher 8 months ago
@iiwatcher lol, you are hilarious. troll.
missartist123 8 months ago
@missartist123 Glad you enjoy it. : )
I too enjoy your hilarity although you don't mean it--product of your laughable attempt at intellect & wit. Still no counter? i thought so. Run along now little girl. ; )
iiwatcher 8 months ago
@iiwatcher Just because a person goes to a donut store, that doesn't make them a cop. Just because a person goes to an airport, that doesn't make them a plane. And just because a person goes to church doesn't make them a Christian. Claiming to be a Christian and quoting from scripture doesn't necessarily make one Christian. An Orthodox Muslim will tell you that just because A Nation of Islam member quotes from the Quran, claims to be muslim doesn't make them Muslim.
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@PraiseYeshua Your silly logic is laughable. For any chritian to be a 'true' christian, christianity must be true. You have your whole work ahead of you to even begin to prove that. HINT: quoting scripture is not proof, evidence, or even a good argument. it's nothing more than blind faith in a bronze-age book of myths. Try again.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
*YAWN* You are demonstrating so far either you don't know what a myth is or you are just parroting what your athiest buddies say or you are just plain dishonest. There are a few tests we can use to demonstrate something is a myth. First of all myths are not based on archelogical or historical facts. Prior to the 1950's Athiests would argue that the Hittites were a myth. To their embarassment, they were proven wrong. There was an Egypt, a Babylonian Empire.
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@iiwatcher Secondly myths cannot contain scientific facts. The ratio of a standard ocean liner is 6:1. The Titanic for instance had that ratio. Noah's Ark in the Bible had that ratio. Also, astronomy has shown that there is a constellation called Orion and the Paliades which Job speaks of in Job 38:31-32. So the Bible fails the test of being a myth based on science.
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@iiwatcher Moreover, where's the archelogical evidence for Thor, Mars, Ra, et. al.? Granted, there's evidence they were worshiped. However, there's no archelogical evidence that attempts to substantiate their existence. Myths by definition are not based on historical, archelogical facts even though that can be said that myths are based on distorted historical facts. There was a Roman Empire, an Assyrian Empire and a Hittite Empire, Pharaohs, and a King Herod.
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@PraiseYeshua So? There is zero archeological evidence for god.
iiwatcher 9 months ago
@iiwatcher There is that points to the God of the Bible. All you got is "oh it isn't so."
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@iiwatcher The Bible due to the fact that it's based on actual archelogical facts therefore fails the test of being a myth. OBTW, your buddies Stalin and Mao who were Athiests already showed us a world without Christianity.
PraiseYeshua 9 months ago
@PraiseYeshua Stalin and mao did not do what they did in the name of atheism. Nice try but FAIL. What they used was the same religious paradigm as christians, except that the state was god instead of christ or your 'eshua.' Everything else was almost identical. OTOH, The atrocities that were done by religious people were all done in the name of your, & their god & in the name of their (& your) holy books. Furthermore, nice try but Stalin & Mao are not my buddies. Try again.
iiwatcher 9 months ago