Dems Rushing To Pass Health Care

[americanman2000]

ahhh gees she is turninig out to be a democrat after all

[hadenufnow]

da gubbment ownes me an my $700,000 liver on taxpayer dime....cuz i be alcoholic an hab lots o byotches wid worse problems cronic alcohol use jes kill da taxpayer and i can't wait fo all dat REDISTRIBUTIN of WELTH be started soze I can git me some good trippin scrips from one dem doze mj type doctors you know what i mean man,,,it all be worf it man,, all be worf it..

[bigdogphoto]

Good work masking the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" as health care reform! The system is now well on it's way to being overwhelmed. Mommy and daddy big government is going to take care of me! I can't wait for my energy cost's to "necessarily skyrocket" so we can save the unicorns and fund more big

government with another derivatives scam! The TARP slush fund is doing it's job paying out twice the amount to Democratic districts. My? kid's kids will pay for your immoral spending. Got Constitution?

[joe035]

Passing this bill simply for the sake of passing a healthcare bill and giving the government control makes no sense! Our congress has no integrity. Fuck all you liberals out there, I hope your children suffer the brunt of all these things you and those who represent you in government do. Fuck you Republicans who think Christmas vacation is to important for you, then staying in washington and protecting us from it and giving us the chance to question the libs who put this together.

[slushomatic]

I only have to ask one question that would shut these garbage speaking politicians up. Why are cost of helth care going up? you guessed it broken government handouts! I.E medicare, Social Security...Anything that is government controled fails period. Now I have been told Military helth care works yeah I will agree but the quality is not that of the private sector. Believe me I know I served and the medical portion of the military sucks when it comes to quality (continued)

[slushomatic]

I had stage 3 Mononucleosuous. what that means is I was just a nudge away from death. All because they quarantiened me to my dorm room instead of putting me in the hospital. I final broke quarantine and went to a private hospital and got the care I needed. If I had listened to the government on quarantine I wouldnt be here right now. so let that sink in guys it is time for us to get people in office that will work for the people not against them.

[ozpowermo]

"Military helth care works yeah I will agree but the quality is not that of the private sector."

-- Yah, most who have it say it's better.

By the way, the government does not dictate the quality of the health care... the only thing it will do is provide national access to a brokerage for non-profit health insurance providers and it will remove the preexisting conditions used by current insurance companies to deny you coverage.

[hammerspark1]

I don't need insurance, but I do need health care. Those things being different is what nobody in congress wants to talk about.

[hammerspark1]

minuteman360, ozpowermo is not a liberal, you are. You believe in the liberty to make the choice for yourself, ozpowermo believes the choice should be made for you; in the whole of the civilized world (save the US), that makes ozpowermo a conservative.

[ozpowermo]

All technicalities and party labels aside... I actually don't think that the current system is representative of the people. The ONLY way to represent the people is through a popular vote, not through congress, senate or an electoral vote.

Ideally we should make all of our important choices through a popular vote, but in reality that's not going to happen :).

Idealistically I'm a liberal, but realistically I'm a conservative (according to your comment).

[hammerspark1]

In an ideal republic our representatives create laws which serve the better interests of their constituencies and that is just what we get, only we aren't their constituents. Economies are very much like ecologies, you can encourage them but you cannot mandate them; they both are also the result of feed-back loops, now ask yourself, "If the cost of the uninsured is paid for by the taxation of the insure, is it a positive or negative feed-back loop?" Cheers!

[ozpowermo]

I think it's a positive feedback loop: the cost to insure those who can't pay is less than the taxation on the insured- there is no extra burden on the insured.

It's double insurance for the paying: if the ones capable of paying get in a situation where they can't pay then they're still covered by the taxation on their previous payments... to me that's HUGELY POSITIVE!

It's the same (or I'd argue even better) feedback loop as schools, libraries, police, fire departments, etc..

[hammerspark1]

I'm sorry, but you live in an economic fantasy-land; further, you have no understanding of what a positive feedback loop of cost is - just as pilot induced oscillation is a positive feedback loop, paying for insurance by taxing insurance WILL lead to the very negative consequence of a [economic] crash. Again, we don't need health insurance, we need health care.

[ozpowermo]

I'm sorry I'm not all up to date with your fancy-shmancy economic terms of "positive feedback loop" and "pilot induced oscillation." YAWN!

The point is this: if you can pay your insurance then you'll be fine. If you loose your job, become disabled, you're going to school, you don't make enough to pay, etc., you'll still be covered. The percentage of capable payers grossly outweighs those incapable of paying, so there is no net loss from taxation on payers- is that a positive feedback loop?

[hammerspark1]

Wrong. It will yield higher insurance premiums (positive feedback loop) AND higher taxes, without covering all those currently not covered. There is no such thing as an increase in service without an increase in cost, particularly when the insurance companies are driven by profit; solution, a constitutional amendment guaranteeing health care as a right and forbidding health care for profit. We are being forced under tax penalty to purchase products we already know to be too expensive.

[ozpowermo]

All those that are currently not covered will have to pay, they will not be covered by taxes on the current payers. Most don't have insurance, because they just can't afford to pay the insurance rates without having a large corporation broker or negotiate for them.

The government IS offering health care without profit: it will broker insurance from NON-PROFIT private insurance companies (like Blue Cross and Blue Shield). That's a good deal for small businesses and self-employed people (me).

[hammerspark1]

In other words? 'I believe in the right to tell others what to do, but don't tell me what to do.'

A mandate is the antithesis of choice!

[ozpowermo]

You can't represent choice without a popular vote... since we don't have a government which represents us by popular vote, then we must make do with what we have.

The cost of having uninsured people is too great and we're currently paying for it in the form of constantly increasing cost of health care and insurance premiums. I am satisfied with the solution offered by this mandate, but if you have a better solution then DO TELL! :)

[darkmagickian]

@ozpowermo I'm an indepandent and I agree with you. Pols are too chickens#!+ to put this and similar "policies" like this to a popular vote because they know full well that their carefully-laid plans would die horrible deaths with their names on them. Also, the use of everyday language is beyond them, as well; pronouns such as "YOU (the consumer) pay so much (95%) after WE (govt/Ins cos.) pay 5% of the total bill, etc... hence the reason that they rushed and won't release the 2000+ pages...

[ozpowermo]

@darkmagickian

When the does the government EVER pay for anything?!?!?! You must be dreaming... "we the people" ALWAYS pay for everything. If the government pays for anything it's with OUR MONEY!

So let's make it clear... what would you rather have your government waste money on: bailing out banks or paying for your health insurance? I say neither, but the hell if that's ever going to happen!

Do you get what I'm saying?

[darkmagickian]

I think so; I was just rendering an example of government gobbledygook made **slightly ** clearer from legalistic twaddle, I understand your point and your economics :) . To answer your question, I believe the bailouts were just plain dumb. Wells, BofA and AIG should have died in flames and their own juices, if my Econ professor had it right. Economic Darwinism and Market Forces work if you let them, but the pols did it to save their friends and their own investment portfolios, in my theory.

[ozpowermo]

@darkmagickian

Just like I was arguing with hammerspark1:

we all know how the government operates and aside from reworking the ENTIRE system there isn't much we can do. My only alternative is to make do with what we have here: we have a health care reform bill that offers a lot of good things for people like me (self-employed and going to school), so I'll run with it. It's better than bailing out the banks, because at least I get some benefit from it.

[spareaxe]

Nobody's rushing anything, no ones done anything for any kind of health care including the old guys still sitting in the senate doing nothing!!

[darkmagickian]

@spareaxe Wanna bet? It's a done deal. Mafia hits should be done with such alacrity

[minuteman360]

Does not include the "Public option", BS, when they merge the house and senate bills together, all of the so called "Concessions" will be terminated in favor of the original liberal inclusions. Well, all i can say is that except for the lazy ass Americans that are fine with sitting on their asses and getting welfare from uncle sam, The rest of us, whether you agree with me or not, will soon feel the full burden of inadequate care, but paying for the welfare of those who dont care to work!

[ozpowermo]

If you don't like the public option, then you have a REALLY easy way to boycott it: buy private insurance! Nobody is stopping you from doing that :).

I want to see if you're consistent in your principles: if the government shouldn't run the health care, then would you want it to stop running the military, the law enforcement, the justice system, emergency response organizations, etc.? Exactly what should the government run?

[hammerspark1]

Read the f-ing bill, there is no public option; the bill insists, by an unconstitutional mandate, that we must all buy private health insurance regardless of whether or not we can afford it and that the states pay for those who cannot - it is a total partisan sham, with any and all consequences, or indeed any presumed benefits, being delayed another four years.

[ozpowermo]

We must buy private health insurance brokered through the government, but it's only from non-profit health insurance companies. That's a pretty good deal to me: the price of health insurance will be cheaper and I will get to shop cross-state.

The state/government pays for a lot of things we can't afford: fire department, police, libraries, schools, military, etc. We all chip in so the service is available when we need it, that's why I ask you: what services should the government provide?

[hammerspark1]

The senate nixed the non-profit deal; I may yet be wrong as I haven't read the whole bill yet, but neither has congress. The last time legislation was ram-rodded down our throat in the middle of the night we got the patriot act!

[minuteman360]

I belive the executive branch should run the military as states in the constitution, that being it's one and only job. The people of this nation have always ran the rest of government by appointing leaders to impose their will and form laws by which we all adhere too. But if you would take the time to notice that our elected officials are NOT speaking for the will of the people, show nby the 70% of Americans apposed to this legislation, then it is clear that government is not doing it's job!!!

[ozpowermo]

Again... should the states pay for the police, court houses, fire departments, schools, libraries, etc.? If your principles are that the state shouldn't pay for it, then I can see where you're coming from... but if your principles are that the state should pay for them, then you're confusing me.

The current health care bill provides us with a brokerage to get health insurance from non-profit providers, how is that different from paying for the fire department?

[minuteman360]

States are individual entities which have their citizens elect officials with their will in mind and they pass laws stating what exactly they wish to have and how to pay for it. if my state had enough people discontent with having libraries built here, then i bet you would see less libraries funded through tax dollars. the problem with federal entity's mandating that everyone has to have this health care, is that the say is removed from people. we cant opt out unless we pay a fine.

[ozpowermo]

And 60 of the representatives elected by the people are responsible for representing, as such they have voted for the health care reform. The reform offers nothing different from the fire department.  It you can't pay for the fire department they will come to your house anyway.

Same with the public libraries: you pay for them, but in most cases you don't use them. People that can't pay for the public library are not denied access (although they have more limits).

[minuteman360]

-cont- we are stuck with the government mandating what sort of care we will receive (no mammograms till age 55)- and so on and so fourth. The idea that the people have not even read this bill or been able to is absurd, and the language in the parts of the bill that have been made public clearly back up every shred of evidence i have given thus far.

[ozpowermo]

Why wouldn't you receive mammograms until the age 55? If you currently don't have insurance, then mammograms are the least of your problems.

If you don't use the government provided brokerage and you have your own private insurance, then how can the government stop you from getting a mammogram?

Most people that will utilize the government brokered health insurance are likely not to have health insurgence right now, so what's more important mammograms or coverage?

[minuteman360]

You ask me if the government should pay for all those things, I say, if the people want them. The people have spoken VERY LOUDLY against this bill, but the leaders of the democratic party are deaf to the calls to cease. That is why this bill must be destroyed, because the people are America, and the America does Not want this bill!

[minuteman360]

And further more, since the government has betrayed the will of the people, it is our right and duty as Americans to make sure these people are not re-elected, and that this miserable piece of legislation is brought into the light and then snuffed out. Is it really that hard to see the issues this bill will force on every American, or do you love being a liberal more than being an American, and to hell with the rest of us if it suits you, right?

[ozpowermo]

I think the polls are rigged... most people understand what they're being polled about. Look at what the health care bill offers: access to all non-profit health insurance companies through a government run brokerage. It mandates that everybody should have coverage, but if you want to buy your own insurance you are allowed to do it. If you can't afford it, then you will still be covered. How is that different from the fire department?

[minuteman360]

When you get slammed with a fee or jail time for not signing up then that is not a choice of care, when you are automatically signed up and must deny care and pick the previous options, that's not choice of care- This bill will tax the private sector so much for not using the government plan, that the sectors only financially smart thing to do is to convert- That's not a choice of insurers, That is the government playing with words to give them a point to argue, and you know it!

[ozpowermo]

Nobody is going to put you in jail if you don't have health insurance just like nobody puts you in jail if you don't have car insurance. You will face fines if you get in an "accident," but that's because you're uninsured and you're making other people pay when you can pay it yourself (just like car insurance).

The government (as it currently stands) will be acting as a brokerage, this will make the private insurers more competitive with each other... that's a good thing.

[minuteman360]

The bill's wording says that failure to pay fines can lead to a maximum of 3-5 years in prison, there are very real criminal charges associated with refusal of obamacare.

[ozpowermo]

It's just like your GOVERNMENT MANDATED car insurance: if you go without it you will most likely not get caught for a while. When you get caught you're issued a fine and if you don't pay the fine then you might face charges. Realistically who actually gets jailed for that? Only very extreme cases end up actually getting jail time.

The penalties for health care coverage are no more severe than the car insurance penalties.

Boycott it by going with a private insurance provider :).

[hammerspark1]

There is no such thing as a free ride; millions are currently uninsured and to insure them WILL cost money, but where will the money come from? Congress can't answer that (GAO proves it over and over), you can't answer that, I can't answer that, because there is no answer anyone likes. I can boycott the auto insurance by not driving and I'm not forced to pay for those who do drive, but nobody can boycott mandated health insurance by not getting sick! Again, your argument is specious.

[ozpowermo]

"millions are currently uninsured and to insure them WILL cost money, but where will the money come from?"

-- FROM THEIR OWN POCKETS! The currently uninsured people will have to PAY to get insured.

"you can't answer that"

-- I just did! I'll say it again: those that are currently uninsured will have to PAY for their insurance.

You can boycott the health insurance by not paying either, but if you have an emergency and go to the hospital then you will have to pay fines.

[hammerspark1]

If the uninsured can't buy it today, what will make them able to buy it tomorrow? The hypothetical promise that the as-yet, non-existing brokerages will yield lower prices? I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today? Where in the constitutional powers of the federal gov't do you find the power to mandate the purchase of anything? What about those morally opposed to insurance?

[ozpowermo]

"what will make them able to buy it tomorrow?"

-- Affordable health insurance will get me to buy. I'm self employed and I can't afford an insurance plan because it's too damn expensive. Most people I know are in the same boat. People like contractors, small business owners and their employees are all in the same boat and that's a HUGE portion of the currently uninsured.

The federal government mandates that we purchase the protection of the military... I'd rather hold a private militia ;).

[hammerspark1]

Promises, promises. You might be surprised upon actually reading the US Constitution, that it mandates a militia and forbids the raising of armies for any longer than two years. Everyone from both sides of the isle might be surprised, actually reading the US Constitution, how much of the rule-of-law is ignored. Cheers!

[ozpowermo]

No shit the constitution forbids the raising of a standing army, but there are no militias and there is an army. My point is this: if your principles are to uphold the constitution then go ahead and do it for everything, but if we can't uphold the constitution then let's make do with what we have.

Currently we have people that want to buy insurance but can't afford to because it's too expensive. We're paying for them anyway, why not have a government brokered insurance for them?

[hammerspark1]

In the absence of the rule-of-law, you seek more absence of the rule-of-law? Are you kidding me?

[ozpowermo]

When there is an absence of the rule of law then we should bring it in... now since you're the fancy-talking-all-knowing genius here, why don't you tell us exactly how this is going to happen in the US? All you've been doing so far is complaining and not offering any solutions... either put up or shut up.

[hammerspark1]

I did a**hole, when I suggested that health care be a constitutional human right, that profit from health care be forbidden, and that we receive our health care services constitutionally FROM THE STATES and not from our fascist federal gov't expressly maintaining the status quo (even Olympia Snow) by furthering the expense of something that we cannot afford today.

[hammerspark1]

Wasn't it enough that we had to buy GM, we can't can't continue to afford that shit either, but we were forced to buy it anyway. Fascism, plain and simple, nothing fancy about it! But I'm sure your response is, "As long as I get what I got commin' to me.", regardless of whether or not you or the rest of us can afford it.

[ozpowermo]

"I suggested that health care be a constitutional human right..."

-- And how exactly is that shit going to pan out a**hole? Why don't you tell me exactly how you think such a bill would get through? If you find a way to replace the ENTIRE Senate and Congress with reasonable honest people, then I'll be all for your plan, but this shit is never going to happen. Now you can live in space-land where the rainbow wakes you up every morning, but I live in the real world where I need health care.

[hammerspark1]

You must have forgotten where the discussion ended. Olympia Snow stated how in the video, "...taking the time..to address a generational issue...with sweeping financial implications for everyone...and not to rush it through at the end of the year." P.S. If you really need health care, then go BUY IT just like you might buy anything else you have but don't need. My grandmother used to say, "Wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first." How fancy-schmancy is that?

[hammerspark1]

Insurance is where ALL the money is going today, and now we have to buy it? Worse, we are not allowed the option of health savings or bonds (as a driver is in all states, the states HAVING the constitutional power to mandate). Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are all going broke, what will pay for those who simply can't afford insurance? Your arguments are either specious or they are circular. Enjoy your free-ride expressway to the next depression.

[ozpowermo]

"Insurance is where ALL the money is going today, and now we have to buy it?"

-- From NONPROFIT insurers! The money is not going to for-profit insurance companies.

There will be 30 million more insured many of which are self employed people or small business owners that will pay. The cost of covering them through taxes on those that can pay will be MUCH lower than what it costs to cover them now through increased premiums and increased cost of health care.

[hammerspark1]

As I made clear earlier, I'm all for non-profit health insurance; but the problem is, they don't currently exist. What will the brokerage cost? What will insisting all those uninsured today because of pre-existing conditions cost? Will the federal government make gold, Cadillacs (pardon the pun), or oil more affordable tomorrow than it is today? Give me one example, just one example of legislation making anything cheaper.

[ozpowermo]

Of course they exist: Blue Cross Blue Shield is nonprofit in my state, I know there are more and I'm sure there are some in your state. Government brokers cross-state insurance which will give access to all the nonprofit insurance companies.

Gold and Cadillacs are not a necessity, but a health insurance is. You're treating insurance like a commodity and it's not. The point of this bill is to fix the broken system we currently have, lowering of the cost is a side effect.

[hammerspark1]

The Congressional Budget Committee and Government Accountability Office strongly disagree with the suggestion that costs will be lowered. HEALTH CARE is indeed a commodity of limited supply and infinite demand; this legislation does nothing to address the fact that the supply, health care skill (not insurance betting tables), will be in even shorter supply in 2014 than it is today. When that SKILL is in shorter supply, then what happens to the cost? Skill is a commodity! Insurance IS gambling!

[ozpowermo]

The reason there is a shortage of health care skills (nurses and doctors) is because the education system and the US culture with respect to education is a total flop. Americans are not motivated to get an education, 50% of PHD students are foreign-born.

Well good luck with reforming America, you're just wishing in one hand... if I'm shitting in the other then at least it's not an empty hand. This world is full of shit, so find a way to deal with it.

[hammerspark1]

Try not to step in it. Nice back-and-forth. Have a nice holiday, cheers!

[darkmagickian]

@ozpowermo Not true. You will be penalized $750 per month until you sign up and start paying. This according to scuttlebutt on my bus to work today. Read: MANDATORY; Unfunded government mandate. State Farm and Allstate are laughing at your sheer stupidity in not reading the fine print

[ozpowermo]

@darkmagickian

I don't doubt the "scuttlebutt" on your bus, but I'm just saying: if the "authorities" find out that you don't pay your health insurance then they will fine you, but it is VERY unlikely that they'll send you to jail.

State Farm and Allstate can eat shit and die!

[darkmagickian]

@ozpowermo Oh yes there is. It's called rent/mortgage, the power bill, bus tickets, groceries, tuition, child's dentistry, etc. AKA "Living Expenses."

[ozpowermo]

@darkmagickian

Yes there is what? I'm not sure what you're addressing with the "living expenses" comment...

[darkmagickian]

@ozpowermo What I had in mind was that after paying for the LE's, how much money is left over annually to pay for health insurance for 1-4 people? If it was in the household budget, no problem, but I think that the ranks of the currently unemployed and the average poverty-stricken starving student paying tuition and /or student loans would agree that it is just not possible right now, not to mention low- minimum wage earners, e.g. convenience store staff, nonunion, etc.

[ozpowermo]

@darkmagickian

Right, so a family of four is better off without health insurance? What happens when one of them gets a terminal sickness: they go to the hospital, receive poor care (we get stuck with the bill anyway), and eventually they go broke- then we get stuck with their mortgage payments (bank bailouts).

For those that CAN'T pay (students, etc.), the government will provide them with health care.

At the end of the day Corporate America has got us by the balls and it ain't letting go!

[Fitzcard]

I for one think the practice of reading the cover of a several thousand page book and writing a review over it based on what might be in it is the best way for government to work.

Just do what you're told, make the laws you're told to and don't ask questions kinda approach

[TerryEFV2]

what did we vote for?

wanna be exceptional?

demand change!!!

[darkmagickian]

@TerryEFV2 You'd be lucky to HAVE change after paying for this crap and your other bills too! We voted for feces-flinging monkeys who will be rotated out at the first opportunity. Sen. Reid's head will be the first on the chopping block in 2010 by his fellow Nevadans, who plan to run a talking sock monkey against him on the Republican ticket...pull the string and get liberal doublespeak!

[hikonejo]

Yes, the only people that will benefit from this "Bill" are people who are at 150% of the Poverty Level and have Four Kids!

WTF?

And it benefits those who earn $88,000 a Year and once again - has Four Kids.

WHO IN HELL EARNS 88K, HAS 4 KIDS AND NEEDS INSURANCE?

What about THE MAJORITY of Americans that earn between $35k-$55K and have 1 or 2 Kids?

I'll tell you what - The ALL Just got thrown under the BUS by the Democrats.

Nice Job Dems! You just passed another Welfare Plan!

[nomnomnom00]

B $ you cock suckers go criticizing this bill..go do some research on it..i bet most of you dont even have health care..alot of people are gonna benefit from this bill..how could you be so cruel to not want people to have health care

[jensen1901]

The bill is "massive" eh CBS News? Only for retards. Some "Harry Potter" books are longer.

[gbhobson]

@jensen ~ Harry Potter books don't reference a gazillion other books that you have to go look up to understand what it is the Harry Potter book is saying. That's a really ignorant comparison and shows your lack of understanding of the legislative process.

[jensen1901]

@gbhobson Aw. Poor Republicans Senators being forced to actuallty do work and read! Horrible! How dare there Democrats attempt to actually attempt to solve problems in this country. It's much easier when the GOP is in charge. Their bills just say "no." Or ask for trillions to go to war.

[gbhobson]

@jensen ~ For your information, the current bill as it stands is more than 4 reams of printer paper stacked on each other. Tell me you could read, let alone comprehend, that much (in addition to all referenced laws, policies, procedures and amendments). Clearly you're talking out of your ass. It's going to take at least 17 hours to read the bill once it's requested to be read. It's fortunate we don't have to rely on your nearsightedness and ignorance for establishing policy and precedents.

[jensen1901]

@gbhobson That's why Senators have staff. They deal with lengthy legislation all the time. They break up the bills in parts and summarize the findings. If any particular parts of any bill merit further reading, any Senatort can then read that part more in depth. I'm just sick and tired of the excuses, lies and whining from the right. Health care reform was needed and I am happy the Dems rolled up their sleeves to get something done in this country (as opposed to spending trillions in Iraq).

[gbhobson]

@jensen ~ You really are a fool if you think the current legislation is going to adequately address any type of reform. Other than the shear fact that it's entirely unconstitutional, the negative impact the resolutions will have on the economy and institutions would be nothing short of disaster. I suggest you do some more indepth reading ~ government involvement has never made *anything* better.

[jensen1901]

@gbhobson You are just as dumb as the teabaggers I've seen on TV. Yes, the bill is "unconstitutional." And yes, government has never made anything better. Enjoy your drive on I-95 or whatever government highway yoy depend on to get to work tomorrow. And I sure hope you will give up your right to get on Medicare. Oh, and our military, which is funded and run by the government, certainly didn't make anything better by defeating Hitler, did they?

Idiot. YOU need to read more. I'm out.

[gbhobson]

@jensen ~ You are truly an idiot of epic proportions. Enjoy drinking your kool-aid.

[chinacat22]

Health Care reform just passed in Senate!!! GO OBAMA!!

[billeybop]

We need healthcare and insurance reform together, period. Both sides are still working for the corporate and try to create the illusion of fighting for us little people!

[Zile77]

It's funny how God is mocking Oblama and all the global warming alarmists by dumping tons of snow on Crapenhagen and Wastedton. Al Gore is being laughed at in all dimensions, as well as the libs who were fooled into sucking it up as "proven science."

2010 will be a huge shock for the left.

[darthrevan6]

Do you even know WTF you're talking about? Global warming provokes extreme temperatures. Both very hot and very cold. And records of hot and cold(and amount of snow accumulated) temperatures has been registered in the last few years.

And also you believe ''God'' made that snow fell, well then why dont you blame him too for killing millions of innocent childrens over the centuries?

[davidcole100]

whores all in washington. they are all corrupt and have been for years.

[OBAMASTINIAN]

How is millions of unemployed going to buy insurance?The Mini-Dictator needs to dictate how he is going to put people to work.

[TheHauptsturmfuhrer]

The wise man who once said that Washington DC is just Hollywood for the ugly, certainly knew what he was talking about.These dried out ,wrinkled up old menopausal men and women are such ridiculous caricatures.One has to continually be reminded that these fools actually believe that most of the people in the country are stupid enough to believe their fiction.They have no concept what is happening in the real world.They never really work, and seldom even care if anyone else ever will again.

[stophypocrisy]

Republicans and Democrats are playing us from both sides as always. Insurance conglomerates will rake in massive profits and the American people will get less and less coverage. We could all have the best coverage in the world by taking 15% of the military budget and we would still spend more on the military than Russia and China combined. Why wont anyone in Congress bring it up? It's like talking about Israel killing Palestinians. Should be Americans against the government. Why they divide us

[HARDtimesUSA]

All these people SHOULD BE PUT AGAINST A WALL AND FIRED UP TO DEATH.

CORRUPTION + LIES = DISGRACE

[rushindulen]

cbs fails to mention that it will make buying health insurance MANDATORY!

[Mrcharliebobo]

The people are unanimously against this bill, and they are still going to shove it down our throats!!! WTF!!!!

[abarzilai664]

Snowe is playing hard to get, and it's a good thing :) Guess she'll no longer be the media's favorite Republican after this vote.