Meyers Water Buggy-Repost

[stovelover63]

Please get rid of the music

[kosta9499709]

if you wonna all stan patents inbx me!!!!

[shadowlacer]

yes the rest of the world will surpass us cause they are not ruled by oil

[bersaba]

Look I'll break this down.

A conventional car burns fuel (gasoline) to turn a shaft to turn a tire. Simply put, the gasoline is a the 'wood on the fire'.

A water car, even if you convert it to gas to burn (which is possible, electrolysis), converting the water takes more energy to convert the water to H and OH then you can get back out, or else it would be a form of perpetual motion.

In which case you're not 'benefiting' anything. Just use an electric car and be done with it.

[bersaba]

@HereIsJesus

One last attempt. If the technology is "out there" and people can do it, where is the evidence. Where are the vehicles driving around on water? Why hasn't someone that's built one contacted media? Only 2 possibilities can really exist.

1: That it doesn't exist, and that makes the rest of this conversation meaningless.

2: That the people that make it are being kept silent.

Now I'm not a conspiracy nut, that rules out 2. If someone's built it, show me the evidence (real evidence).

[bersaba]

Something along the lines of a company manufacturing them. A person taking out multiple patents and becoming a billionaire as they solve the worlds oil problem.

All we have now is a guy that claimed it to a normal media guy a bunch of years ago. A guy that was found to be a fraud by the courts, that died of an aneurysm and that conspiracy believers have changed the story of.

I'm a skeptic. I won't simply believe this without some decent evidence.

[bersaba]

@HereIsJesus

I wasn't being difficult. It's that when you write out chemical compounds on paper like that, the way you write it is important. That's why HOH is correct and HHO is incorrect. The "shorthand" for HOH is either H2O or just plain old water. HOH (or H-O-H) is chemically correct. Hell I learnt that back in high school.

[bersaba]

@HereIsJesus

I've got no problem with people wanting to build their own buggy on modified meyer "tech". I DO have a problem with conspiracy nuts claiming bullshit as fact, trying to bypass physics, and generally being stupid. Make a car that's energy efficent and you have my applause. Say a car that works on effectively perpetual motion was built then covered up and provide not a shread of evidence and I'll call you (you being whoever) a moron.

[bersaba]

@HereIsJesus

Oh yeah, because we all know the extremes that news broadcasters go to to make sure something is legit and in no way fraudulent. (Here in Australia, Hungry Beast sent out fake news releases to see how much the media checked, all but 1 DIDN'T check the information).

Stan was a fraud, was found guilty of that, and died of an aneurysm. Don't agree? Proof me wrong and build it, then show a working model.

[slushomatic]

@bersaba he didnt die of an aneurysm he died from poisoning douche bag look it up.

[bersaba]

@slushomatic

I did, the question is did you (outside you're 'conspiracy are us' websites). I mean somewhere credible, or at the very least, mildly credible. For the record, the autopsy report (which is on record), by the Franklin County, Ohio coroner, states he died of... wait for it... aneurysm. Read "The Car That Ran On Water" on the columbus dispatch site for a complete breakdown of the events.

[Ryanfox1981]

Well personally I can produce up to 16L of HHO gas a minute using a new, actively cooled, sealed fuel cell design. The idea here is to burn the gas directly in a new piston-less engine, however its more related to Stirling engine, crossed with a Tesla turbine/jet engine. Will be casting the key parts this weekend... Don't be surprised if I managed to blow myself up lol

[juggernautxtr]

thanks for reinventing the steam engine Stan!

for what i have read and under stand i know what Meyers was actually doing!

he was using the HHO to convert water to steam in the cylinder!

why the timing change, have to wait for both valves to be closed to get maximum use of the steam in the engine.

[juggernautxtr]

@juggernautxtr

you don't have to believe me japan just released a car running on Meyers principles

only using straight hydrogen to convert water to steam in the engine cylinder

oh shit huh?.

[valllhalla]

we will never forget you Stan! we make it some day..

[pinemontgo]

I saw the Meyers buggy 23rd Feb 2009. The meyers estate is about to go after all unauthorized copyright infringers , just like the music industry.. BEWARE it will happen attorneys see money ....Craig Westbrook TRIATOMIC FUEL CELLS INC.

[sysxtreme]

RIP Stan Mayer!

[TheJomogogo]

Stan Meyer r000Lz I built one of these an now my car runs on day dreams and happy thoughts with a rainbow exhaust. Thank you Stan wherever you are.

[bigrob981]

yes and no......i can see the desire to keep it secret.

but if nobody can recreate your invention, don't make it even easier for "big oil" to kill you...and keep the invention a secret?

then again, if you want to keep it secret, why go on tv?

why make videos?

why search out investors?

[bigrob981]

kind of convenient....don't you think.

meyers never allowed his device to be tested by anyone, all we ever see is "news" type snippets of his own making....and he even admits the designs he submits won't work.....

that does not seem atleast "peculiar"?

[bigrob981]

but why would it be so hard...meyers did all the work.

all you have to do is recreate it, using the plans submitted for patent. or buy one of the many internet scam "kits" that you can find with 2 minutes and a basic search...

somehow meyer did it 20+ years ago....yet nobody can do it now?

does not add up.....

[bigrob981]

that is always the fallback argument when there is nothing else...

"stan was killed for his invention"

it was big oil, or the gov....men in black.....

the patents have all run out, on both meyers work and your "ionization by collision ".....

yet there still is no vehicle powered by hydrogen gas from water, that is practical for consumer use.

[bigrob981]

his main succes was to convince dreamers like you that his invention worked....and stealing money from investors.

he never proved his process could power a car on its own.....

and nobody has been able to do it in the 20 years since.....

[bigrob981]

hydrogen from water, was invented 200 years ago.

it is not practical as a fuel for a car

meyers claimed he could do it using the power from the car generator/alternator. thus making it practical....

to this day, nobody has done it, the best we get are sham artists that uses the added hydrogen to improve gas mileage..

but none can do what meyers claimed.

your "patent" is classic mis-direction, used to cloud the discussion and does not do what meyers claimed.

[bigrob981]

so first you claim the plug wires were for the gas.....but you did not notice the carb?

so now you say the carb is for the hydrogen gas....and what you just claimed were hoses for the gas are now really sparkplug wires....even though stan claims to have installed injectors for the gas?

you need to pick one story and go with, and stop changing it .

hiding a gas tank is easy.....

and like i said.....the patent says that it is possible....not that it is practical for this application.

[bigrob981]

@HereIsJesus ....yet his buggy still has plugs?

do you even understand what patent 4427512 is? nobody is claiming that you cannot get hydrogen from water....they have been doing it for 200 years....

meyer claimed he could power his dune buggy with it....and that is not possible, that is why his dune buggy has a standard VW gasoline engine....

it takes too much energy to turn water into hydrogen, that makes it impractical....not impossible

[bigrob981]

then why does it have a carburetor?

the making of hydrogen from water was invented in the early 1800's.for over 200 years this has had the same problem.

it takes more power to make the hydrogen from water than you get from burning the hydrogen....

meyers could never prove it, his buggy has both a carb, and spark plugs..WHy?

it sounds romantic.meyrs wanted to change the world, and was killed for it, yet here we are, his patents have run out...and still nobody can reproduce his claims.

[bigrob981]

have any of you taken a physics class?

next your going to claim meyers discovered dilithium crystal.

he was a crook, he stole peoples money.

[thriceblessedman]

Have your read anything about Stan that allows you to say he stole money? He made millions retailing truck parts before stepping into the Hydrogen arena. He lived with a family in Ohio, he saved them tons of money with his ingenuity and he has a multitude of patents that can only be issued when he has proof of concept. Are you saying he defrauded them too?

[bigrob981]

read a physics book, what he claims cannot be done....

secondly, please explain why his dune buggy which according to his words runs "replaced the spark plugs with injectors.....yet in the videos you can clearly see a carb. and spark plug wires.?

he was a crook, you guys are fools....

[svenalbert]

cool music!

[Jv977]

all of you need girlfriends

[bigrob981]

this guy was fraud.....he stole money from people.

and was poisoned by one of them...

[pinkbum1]

STAN MEYER CREATED A SOLAR PANEL OUT OF WATER!

"Photovoltaic cells are made of special materials called semiconductors such as silicon, which is currently the most commonly used. Ba­sically, when light strikes the cell, a certain portion of it is absorbed within the semiconductor material. This means that the energy of the absorbed light is transferred to the semiconductor. The energy knocks electrons loose, allowing them to flow freely"

PUBLISH THIS TO THE WORLD. PINKBUM1 solved STAN MEYER.

[pinkbum1]

IF STAN WAS NOT A FRAUD, THEN THE KEY TO STAN MEYER DEVICE IS... HE STOLE ELECTRONS FROM THE WATER AND THEN CONVERTED PHOTONS FROM THE SUN INTO ELECTRONS TO RECHARGE THE WATER! THIS IS SCIENTIFICALLY OBEYING THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. THE WATER OUT THE TAIL PIPE IS MISSING ELECTRONS AND NEEDS TO BE RECHARGED WITH ELECTRONS. HOW TO CREATE ELECTRONS YOU ASK?LIKE HOW A SOLAR PANEL CONVERTS PHOTONS TO ELECTRONS. STAN CLAIMED HIS WATER NEEDED TO BE RECHARGED LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELVES ON OVERUNITY boards.

[crippled82]

a solar panel doesnt create photons, it releases it from the material when a photon impacts

[smokyatgroups]

I think Cyberbane might be right on there... an Italian forum currently has a motor scooter 100% running from photon energised water (whilst in a strong magnetic field) which is then electrolysed & plasma ignited. Claiming much higher energy recoveries than previously possible from normal HHO.

[bersaba]

@smokyatgroups

Small quib. Water would be H-O-H not HHO. Hydrogen has 1 bond and oxygen has 2, so the oxygen has to go in the middle.

[0ddba11s]

Has anyone got any definite accurate info one what happened to this car?

[m3sca1]

heard that his mrother had it stashed somewhere,and that it went up for sale...probably just hearsay

[pinkbum1]

look up the idiots over at ORION project who believe in aliens and shine flashlights at them. These numbskull idiots have got the car and will not do anything useful on it for many many years.

[fredrik999z]

Even if Stanley's buggy run on water it is already outdated and dead technology. Distilled water is NOT a good fuel, think about it. 2% of the water is not salt water, in some countries it is already more expensive than gasoline. We already have a better way of driving cars: electric power! Produced from sun, wind and water plants it is much better.

[pinkbum1]

"Even if Stanley's buggy run on water it is already outdated and dead technology. Distilled water is NOT a good fuel,"

Idiot. Stan says in all his videos that not just distilled water works. Snow, river water, salt water. Read the fucking manual.

[fredrik999z]

It will probably work for a while then the engine is full of either salt or particles from the water and you have to replace the engine. He never tells how to separate the salt from the water or how a filter would work that separates the particles from snow or river water. Think about it, it will not work.

[cypherbane139]

well he was NOT running the dune buggy off of the recombination of the water molecule. that is stupid. he took the gas and stripped it of nessisary electrons, then when the "sub'critical" gas ions are ignited, the missing electrons prevents the formation of water. and in seeking nutrality, the atoms collapse, converting into 100% energy..... he wasnt messing around with hydrgen, he was messing around with atomic bombs =\

[m3sca1]

technically speaking -its not nuclear because the idea was to strip electrons which are outside of the nuclues.

thanx for commenting

[cypherbane139]

yah, but the net result is a collapse of the nucleus.

[pinkbum1]

"missing electrons prevents the formation of water. and in seeking nutrality, the atoms collapse, converting into 100% energy"

I am concerned that this may create toxic water if it works, or radiation. It could damage our water supply or cause all our water to be lacking electrons and cause cancer. How do missing electrons work? Robbed from WHAT? Google "Stan Meyer Explained" and ask the so called experts who think they know what they are doing.. WHAT DO MISSING ELECTRONS DO TO HUMAN WATER?

[sweeney55]

He did change timing all I an say is that if you perfect this, you need to change the timing

[dmgcat]

The beauty of the Meyers design is that he found a way other than straight electrolysis to do it. I dont know how but I have never seen any booksmart college grad eloquently debate the issue they always attack from the wrong angle saying electrolysis is inefficient...Stan said the same thing...you see his buggy work so tell me how did he do it? Arent you college kids forgetting something or you havent learned it yet? You see Meyers transformer ? Whats up with all of the secondarys and chokes?

[merlinspower]

MY thought is a Auto coil, primary winding, collapsed by transistor switch with a High capacitor, then it induces high voltage low amperage discharge in the presence of fine mist water vapor in Vacuum, resulting in explosion then immediate implosion... running an ohc engine. reply to dmgcat 1 month ago.

[fmjjoker2]

I love the theory of using water for fuel and Im all for the research. I have a problem with this though, water is like magnets that are already stuck together. Energy must be put in to separate them and then you can recombine them to get the energy that you put in back again. I do not see how you can actually get free energy out of water unless it is involved in a nuclear reaction. The law of conservation of energy is hard to break. I would love to see this law broken. Im waiting for proof.

[planexzeropoint]

does anyone know if this is an implosion engine. i assume it is but clarification would be greatly welcome.

[m3sca1]

meyer claimed to be getting even more energy from the reaction by electron extraction.

without getting more energy,it seems running an engine on HHO wont run terribly well without timing changes.

wether he did that or not-i dont know.

wathing d3adp001 and smartscarecrow flood an engine with no timing changes with too much HHO was certainly an eye opener.

[0ddba11s]

For a time I wondered if we where talking about implosions as you are converting a dense substance water into a high volume of gas then converting the high volume back to a low volume hence an implosion vacuum effect. But the proof is that you can propel an object out of a barrel with the gas so it is definitely combustion/ explosion see any number of HHO guns on youtube or my simulator video I have propelled objects with it.

[0ddba11s]

So it's water low volume to HHO high volume then an explosion even higher volume of gas at a faster burn rate than petrol, then once out of the combustion chamber back to a low volume water again.

[crippled82]

this steam resonator is also an interesting invention, maybe easier to accomplish than a WFC as proof of concept for 'work by voltage'.

[m3sca1]

thats an very interesting comment.

proof of concept for that device would add weight to the whole story.

[crippled82]

we're all obsessed with the hydrogen aspect :P

We all know how a crt tv attracts dust and a piece of plastic like a comb, when rubbed with a cloth, can attract water. When doing this, what energy is converted to motion/kinetic energy?

Is the energy in/of the static field being consumed or lowered in intensity when doing this at all?

[pinkbum1]

"We all know how a crt tv attracts dust and a piece of plastic like a comb, when rubbed with a cloth, can attract water. When doing this, what energy is converted to motion/kinetic energy? "

Lightening for example comes from the wind and the sun charging up the clouds similar to how you charge up a comb by rubbing motion. Rubbing the takes energy. Charging the clouds takes energy. This is why scientists do not believe in meyer's device. When you discharge the comb the static is lost.

[crippled82]

thnx

The work a potential can do equals the energy to create the potential by bringing the equal charges together - when it is doing work it gets discharged by an equal amount.

But, what happens when the electric field is doing work without discharging? For instance, in the case when a particle is attracted without making contact with the potential, maybe by switching off the potential?

[crippled82]

And recycle the energy from the switched off potential, so no energy is used by making the particles move.

[crippled82]

So, in short: does the comb get discharged when it is attracting a stream of water, without making contact that allows a discharge?

[crippled82]

There are no charges interchanged, and radiation [from moving charge in static field] cannot push the charges away because there is no path for the potential charges to flow along and away.

What else can make it discharge at a distance?

[pinkbum1]

"But, what happens when the electric field is doing work without discharging? "

If this is the case, why not just pulse an electric motor? it is simpler and easier to modify a electric motor for free energy. Simply pulse the motor at the right timing. The last words from Stan I saw were on website 1993-1994 where it was stated he said his water exhaust needed to be recharged by the Sun - so he thinks that his water had energy from sun photons and somehow he was accessing it.

[crippled82]

Graneau also claimed the extra energy from his water explosions came from the sun.

Meyer talkes about recharging the water by solar energy, but he also said the same could be accomplished by led's.

[pinkbum1]

The same can be accomplished by leds, you say. No. When you inject light into something with led's you use a certain amount of energy to run the LED. You do not get free energy by turning on lights in your house. The energy that comes out of the LED is not multiplied. The source of energy from stan's device is not L.E.D.'s. They produce tiny amounts of energy. Dislodging the electrons takes energy. Keeping them dislodged like a battery is the only explanation - water was used as a battery.

[crippled82]

from what I understood the led's aren't used as an energy source, but as an aid to deflect or keep deflected the electrons, aiding the dissociation.

quoting meyer:

In alternate form, solid state electrical photon-

light source (Light Emitting Diodes) replaces Sun Rays when "Voltage Tickling of State Space" acts as a "energy generator" by way of "particle oscillation"

[crippled82]

according to meyer, voltage stimulation and solar energy absorbtion make use of the same mechanism to raise the energy level.

[QuarkToo]

You are a moron.

[thriceblessedman]

No he didn't. LED's don't have the lightwave energy to do this. Now he did use some form of UV and even mentioned it in one of his patents. Light in this form excites the water on a molecular level and creates an atmosphere that is conducive to disassociation. How he did it exactly?

[Agent0fZurg]

The only problem with the whole idea of splitting H2O into H2 and O2 (not HHO - that's water vapor), using it for fuel, then capturing the water vapor and recycling it endlessly for free power is that it doesn't work. A system running at 100% efficiency (not possible) with zero friction (again, not possible) would only keep itself running, it would not be able to perform any work. Sorry, that's physics.

[m3sca1]

nobody said anything about free energy-its a fuel-lets say petrol stations put up large solar panel arrays and ran thru efficient electrolysers,vented off the Oxygen gas,and bottled the H.

then the consumer bought it to run in a true "PEM fuel cell"that makes electricity from the fuel(ei Hydrogen)and turned electric motors,im sure you would have no problem with the science behind that-its already been done

an on demand electrolyser is the holy grail we all seek.

wether meyer did...continued..

[m3sca1]

...manage to achieve on demand is for the viewer to decide.

be aware that not all new science becomes public knowledge.

[Agent0fZurg]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say the technology in the video is bogus. just trying to clarify for the viewers that the buggy can't run itself endlessly.

[HHO4ALL]

I don't think Stan Meyer ever claimed the buggy would run endlessly.

There was a video that I saw a while back that he described the buggy in detail. I seem to remember him saying something about how much water it would use on a 100 mile trip.

[crippled82]

It would work if energy is added, which is actually claimed by Meyer.

[JAFO82269]

I'd appreciate a copy of that zip file m3sca1 ... I agree with prototype9000, as those pics seem to be disappearing faster than lightning ... not sure whats up with it but it does seem strange ...

[m3sca1]

id be happy to share but right now my fukn 'puter is playing up and boots like a new computer everytime-i have no access to my old files =[

even new files i put on the HD now wont be visible tomorrow when i boot next

[m3sca1]

hangon i think i backed it up-will look tonight when i get home.

[m3sca1]

damn cant find it-that really shits me-at least i reposted it before i lost the files.

[prototype9000]

those pics are very hard to find they used to be everywhere but somehow dissapeared without a trace

[m3sca1]

how long ago was that?

[prototype9000]

a few years ago the information was on nearly every webpage after a simple google search now thinggs are not so easy to find you have to sign up for groups and mailing list and spammed to hell before you can find anyhting in its fullness some websites just have little tidbits of information wheres all the information dissapearing to

[m3sca1]

i dont know-but if you want a copy i will send the zip file to you gratis.

there are a few other pics that dont pertain to the car,so i didnt post them.

like the electro polarized generator.

[ppfeifdog]

what ever happened to the good lecture video that was on youtube for a short time under the user stanmeyers??? I had it saved to my favorites and it was totally wiped clean....normally if it is took down it will just say "this video no longer avalible..." but they went so far as to wipe it off everyones favorites like it was never there........ever........???

[m3sca1]

there are a few others who post them up ,from time to time ,but yeah it seems that there is an awful lot of cencorship.

the other day i noticed 2 tubers i subbed to have been suspended,and im betting it was for subject matter and not copyright infringe.

[merlinspower]

Stan meyers lecture was very important in this regard , normally people over look this fact, Explosive amounts of hydrogen produced , with LOW amps and High voltage discharge,.. that equals LOW heat and energy consumption, result massive amounts of  Hydrogen that allows you to make your own FUEL, for Heat, cooking, water heaters, and transportation. Taking you and everyone else OFF the grid, is threat to tax revenue and profits

[bersaba]

@merlinspower

If only it worked and he wasn't a fraud.

[SpiritualMisfit]

Thanks for sharing your a GOOD MAN every bit helps its time to make a difference.

[alvastornado]

Meyer`s technology was 50-100 years ahead of his time.

[batistax777]

Only an idiot can watch the space shuttle go up, and call hydrogen and oxygen fuel a scam... Meyer's standing is excellence with me!

[batistax777]

& thanks for sharing m3sca1...

[m3sca1]

thanx man-your welcome

[TomCjr]

Great post!

Question is --

How soon can we make it happen?

(Water as fuel)

[seshkanuri]

Why are you recycling this scam garbage?

[m3sca1]

i make no revenue from it-so how is it a scam?

some say Meyer was a bullshit artist,others stand by his claims.

i was sent these pictures of the components and felt it my duty to post them,most of them i have not seen elsewhere on the net

-let the viewer be the judge

my own experiments with steam and high voltage lead me to believe that an engine can be run off a combination of steam and electrolyser gas.

thats why.