isnt it true that if you set up a circuit, say at 12 volts from a standard car battery, there is a field set up around the wires, such that while the 12 volt current is at high amperage, you have simultaneously a very high voltage field around the wire, which has very low amperage. this high voltage can be used for many applications without drawing much power off the battery. this way the battery can be used without losing much of its charge.
I Don't know about that JC. There might be something going on if you where talking about AC and wiring in the form of coils, but I haven't heard of anyone doing something like you mention from DC current. At least that's me.
It's static. Using a neon bulb internally to detect, makes it more sensitive than you could ever imagine. Static generated dragging the plastic casing of the batteries across the wood, transferred all over the place by electrical connection, and yes all of it most likely over 90 volts. Those charges get trapped in dielectrics and remain as surface charges. I suppose you could have a grounded brush and brush off all of the stuff to avoid a false positive.
Sorry, I would have to disagree with you on this one. If I disconnect the circuit the effect goes dead as a doornail instantly. I could go on and on but I saw nothing to indicate it was static. Don't forget the effect only worked when I connected the scope ground clip to the negative rail of the curcuit and stopped instantly when I disconnected it.
I think it is much like the slayer exciter high impedence air core transformer (tesla) effect. Electricity ionizing off the bifilar winds. Although your's look a bit heavy gauged for that to be happening. Interesting indeed, but I personally think it has nothing to do with any "radiant energy", or the like. I'm gonna guess that your probe is VERY sensitive and you could find a similar effect in an around a microwave, or other devices like cordless phones, stuff with HV, HF etc.
Hello Kyle. I agree. The pen is sensitive and I'm sure it would trigger on a microwave, but I would hope so, There should be a lot of energy there. It will trigger near my television tube but not my scope tube. Here again there's a lot of high voltage high frequency hitting the front of the tube. It triggers on the hot line of the house wiring but that's not radiant by any means. I need to get the effect again and find out what's going on. It may be wasted potential.
Nice work John - excellent tuning of your circuits . To Help improve your system try using 12v 3 ah batteries this will be good for 20 hours at 150 ma at its true discharge rate cause i see that your circuit uses about 150 ma . Also the charge battery will impeed better with the circuit for a better charge rate . this might help . cheers Jason
i think the body ground has something to do with it....with neutral and induction cooker coil plus car antenna it can ignite the gas in fl tubed edpecially when you touch it
The AV plug is the way to go. With all your interest you should pick up a Dr Stiffler circuit just to play with. Lidmotor has made similar effects with the Joule thief circuit. John Bedini used to say there was an effect like a gas around the circuit, I wonder if this what others call the "skin effect" so much to learn and explore, at least you caught it on tape, most don't.
sweet ! nice find, I'm of the mind that you did find something there. I've seen others find it on the SSG ckt. there are plenty of other ckts that will do this "wire-lessly" Lid/Rusty is right though, I've seen it with mine own eyes using an AV plug.
Hi Patrick. I think this is probably a lot more sensitive than the AV plug. The question is: Was it a beneficially thing that was happening? If so I could add an antenna to the pen circuit. It already has a resistor on the sensing side to reduce the sensitivity. If this is a good thing a person could start with a high sensitivity then continue tuning and backing the antenna away to maximize the tuning spot. Just thinking out loud.
@DadHav I have seen it myself on a SS SSG circuit and even was lighting the neon grounded in my hand and other end on the plastic of the battery. I can only assume is RE as JB has said and is the Heaviside flow coupling with that RE and thus in some set-ups is the anomolous energy output on the wire ect.
I know JB mentions in his DVD that this effect on the SSG is not a high voltage thing, I think it's different than the spacial coherence Dr Stiffler is refining. you can increase the sensitivity of an AV with an antenna as well. a small 1.5 inch 3 wind antenna attached to the point works well for me. I put a tiny red LED for the sensitive side and up to 48 LEDs for the "don't need no antenna side" :-)
That very well may be true. I will find out as soon as I drag my old variac out from behind everything and give it a try. I wish I would have checked further before I changed experiments.
Unfortunately it is not very interesting to see all this without knowing the drive circuit. It is not that much work to sketch the circuit on a piece of paper by hand and to film it for a few seconds. Greetings, Conrad
Conrad. Indeed you are right but as a YouTube Partner I'm not allowed to post someone else's drawings or copy righted material. I would need to have John Bedini's written consent to do so and I don't think have much chance of that. The people interested in this video normally have the circuit themselves from buying John's books or videos. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't care to have the video deleted. Most energy forums have the circuits, and the SSG is all over YouTube.
DadHav, I repair all kinds of medical equipment and I threw my non-contact Volt meter into my electronics junk drawer because it kept giving me false positives. I needed something reliable so I wouldn't kill myself, so I went back to my trusty old Multimeter. I hate those damn things!
Nice work with all your video's by the way, Mike.
Thanks Mike. The pieces are starting to come together. I can see from what people say the pens are over sensative. I think I can say the testers I have consistantly trigger on the same things or not depending on whether there is actually something there to measure or not. I think it is more likely to find the hot line than miss it though. Anyway thanks and I'm glad you're being careful. There's nothing like the good old meter.
My only suggestion is to try a LED / AV plug and see if that lights up. It might be a HV capacitive thing from something running with a bad ground connection? Just guessing. If it was a bad connection somewhere that is now a good one then you may never duplicate the effect again.
Hi Rusty. You might be right about that. It was a strange thing that it only happened when the scope ground was attached. Any of the other instrument grounds or earth ground did it. That's why I figured is was something coming from the scope though. I later checked the scope and everything seemed normal. I will try an AV plug if I get an indication again from the test pen. I might add an antenna to the pen to make it even more sensitive and go from there.
If you take and rubb that pen on your pants it will go off from the static. Those pens are good to tell you if there is no power at all, even then you need to be careful. I wish they wouldn't put a voltage rating on them.
Thanks, Yes good input. I tried what you said and id does go off if I charge the plastic of the pen with static. However, that doesn't surprise me if the circuit will trigger at 90 volts. It's really easy to get 90 volts of static electricity. The sensitivity sure says there could have been a very low level of whatever it was triggering on but I don't think the project was surrounded by static.
I am a hvac tech,and drive around with a pen tester on my dash. Allmost every time i drive under power lines it will go off. Pretty cool that you can set it off on your experiment. Have fun ,do it safe
isnt it true that if you set up a circuit, say at 12 volts from a standard car battery, there is a field set up around the wires, such that while the 12 volt current is at high amperage, you have simultaneously a very high voltage field around the wire, which has very low amperage. this high voltage can be used for many applications without drawing much power off the battery. this way the battery can be used without losing much of its charge.
jcfdillon 1 week ago
@jcfdillon
I Don't know about that JC. There might be something going on if you where talking about AC and wiring in the form of coils, but I haven't heard of anyone doing something like you mention from DC current. At least that's me.
John
DadHav 3 days ago
You are now in the exciter energy field. Conventional wisdom no longer applies.
Anothercoilgun 3 months ago in playlist More videos from DadHav
@Anothercoilgun
Could be that's the place where I belong. I was never a very good receptor of conventional wisdom to begin with.
Someday there will be people able to explained some of the natural laws of science that are being somewhat illusive at this time.
Take care
John
DadHav 3 months ago
It's static. Using a neon bulb internally to detect, makes it more sensitive than you could ever imagine. Static generated dragging the plastic casing of the batteries across the wood, transferred all over the place by electrical connection, and yes all of it most likely over 90 volts. Those charges get trapped in dielectrics and remain as surface charges. I suppose you could have a grounded brush and brush off all of the stuff to avoid a false positive.
FlavoredCoffeeGuy 4 months ago
@FlavoredCoffeeGuy
Sorry, I would have to disagree with you on this one. If I disconnect the circuit the effect goes dead as a doornail instantly. I could go on and on but I saw nothing to indicate it was static. Don't forget the effect only worked when I connected the scope ground clip to the negative rail of the curcuit and stopped instantly when I disconnected it.
J
DadHav 4 months ago
I think it is much like the slayer exciter high impedence air core transformer (tesla) effect. Electricity ionizing off the bifilar winds. Although your's look a bit heavy gauged for that to be happening. Interesting indeed, but I personally think it has nothing to do with any "radiant energy", or the like. I'm gonna guess that your probe is VERY sensitive and you could find a similar effect in an around a microwave, or other devices like cordless phones, stuff with HV, HF etc.
KyleCarrington 4 months ago
@KyleCarrington
Hello Kyle. I agree. The pen is sensitive and I'm sure it would trigger on a microwave, but I would hope so, There should be a lot of energy there. It will trigger near my television tube but not my scope tube. Here again there's a lot of high voltage high frequency hitting the front of the tube. It triggers on the hot line of the house wiring but that's not radiant by any means. I need to get the effect again and find out what's going on. It may be wasted potential.
John
DadHav 4 months ago
Nice work John - excellent tuning of your circuits . To Help improve your system try using 12v 3 ah batteries this will be good for 20 hours at 150 ma at its true discharge rate cause i see that your circuit uses about 150 ma . Also the charge battery will impeed better with the circuit for a better charge rate . this might help . cheers Jason
Jasonschmidtschannel 4 months ago
@Jasonschmidtschannel
Thanks Jason. If I buy some new batteries I'll think about that.
John
DadHav 4 months ago
hi
i think the body ground has something to do with it....with neutral and induction cooker coil plus car antenna it can ignite the gas in fl tubed edpecially when you touch it
imtotob 4 months ago
The AV plug is the way to go. With all your interest you should pick up a Dr Stiffler circuit just to play with. Lidmotor has made similar effects with the Joule thief circuit. John Bedini used to say there was an effect like a gas around the circuit, I wonder if this what others call the "skin effect" so much to learn and explore, at least you caught it on tape, most don't.
marthale7 4 months ago
sweet ! nice find, I'm of the mind that you did find something there. I've seen others find it on the SSG ckt. there are plenty of other ckts that will do this "wire-lessly" Lid/Rusty is right though, I've seen it with mine own eyes using an AV plug.
thanks for the vid,
Patrick
min2oly 4 months ago
@min2oly
Hi Patrick. I think this is probably a lot more sensitive than the AV plug. The question is: Was it a beneficially thing that was happening? If so I could add an antenna to the pen circuit. It already has a resistor on the sensing side to reduce the sensitivity. If this is a good thing a person could start with a high sensitivity then continue tuning and backing the antenna away to maximize the tuning spot. Just thinking out loud.
John
DadHav 4 months ago
@DadHav I have seen it myself on a SS SSG circuit and even was lighting the neon grounded in my hand and other end on the plastic of the battery. I can only assume is RE as JB has said and is the Heaviside flow coupling with that RE and thus in some set-ups is the anomolous energy output on the wire ect.
Keep up the great work John.
Dan.
Damadarfury 4 months ago
@DadHav
I know JB mentions in his DVD that this effect on the SSG is not a high voltage thing, I think it's different than the spacial coherence Dr Stiffler is refining. you can increase the sensitivity of an AV with an antenna as well. a small 1.5 inch 3 wind antenna attached to the point works well for me. I put a tiny red LED for the sensitive side and up to 48 LEDs for the "don't need no antenna side" :-)
min2oly 4 months ago
90-1000 volts just means its safe to use it with high voltage, it doesn't mean it will only go off at 90v.
andruha11234 4 months ago
@andruha11234
That very well may be true. I will find out as soon as I drag my old variac out from behind everything and give it a try. I wish I would have checked further before I changed experiments.
J
DadHav 4 months ago
Unfortunately it is not very interesting to see all this without knowing the drive circuit. It is not that much work to sketch the circuit on a piece of paper by hand and to film it for a few seconds. Greetings, Conrad
conradelektro 4 months ago
@conradelektro
Conrad. Indeed you are right but as a YouTube Partner I'm not allowed to post someone else's drawings or copy righted material. I would need to have John Bedini's written consent to do so and I don't think have much chance of that. The people interested in this video normally have the circuit themselves from buying John's books or videos. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't care to have the video deleted. Most energy forums have the circuits, and the SSG is all over YouTube.
J
DadHav 4 months ago
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DadHav, I repair all kinds of medical equipment and I threw my non-contact Volt meter into my electronics junk drawer because it kept giving me false positives. I needed something reliable so I wouldn't kill myself, so I went back to my trusty old Multimeter. I hate those damn things!
Nice work with all your video's by the way, Mike.
kishbud 4 months ago
@kishbud
Thanks Mike. The pieces are starting to come together. I can see from what people say the pens are over sensative. I think I can say the testers I have consistantly trigger on the same things or not depending on whether there is actually something there to measure or not. I think it is more likely to find the hot line than miss it though. Anyway thanks and I'm glad you're being careful. There's nothing like the good old meter.
DadHav 4 months ago
My only suggestion is to try a LED / AV plug and see if that lights up. It might be a HV capacitive thing from something running with a bad ground connection? Just guessing. If it was a bad connection somewhere that is now a good one then you may never duplicate the effect again.
Lidmotor 4 months ago
@Lidmotor
Hi Rusty. You might be right about that. It was a strange thing that it only happened when the scope ground was attached. Any of the other instrument grounds or earth ground did it. That's why I figured is was something coming from the scope though. I later checked the scope and everything seemed normal. I will try an AV plug if I get an indication again from the test pen. I might add an antenna to the pen to make it even more sensitive and go from there.
Thanks
J
DadHav 4 months ago
If you take and rubb that pen on your pants it will go off from the static. Those pens are good to tell you if there is no power at all, even then you need to be careful. I wish they wouldn't put a voltage rating on them.
gripchion 4 months ago
@gripchion
Thanks, Yes good input. I tried what you said and id does go off if I charge the plastic of the pen with static. However, that doesn't surprise me if the circuit will trigger at 90 volts. It's really easy to get 90 volts of static electricity. The sensitivity sure says there could have been a very low level of whatever it was triggering on but I don't think the project was surrounded by static.
Thanks
JOhn
DadHav 4 months ago
Like your setup. One of those thing's maybe you'll run across it again Hope so.Added to My Favorites & Playlists. Thank you for sharing...Tec
tectalabyss 4 months ago
I am a hvac tech,and drive around with a pen tester on my dash. Allmost every time i drive under power lines it will go off. Pretty cool that you can set it off on your experiment. Have fun ,do it safe
allclear7 4 months ago