This is a highly biased video, Mclaren proved to the FIA via telemetry that Hamilton lifted to let Kimi through it's only because he judged it well that he didn't lose much ground on Kimi and was therefor able to out break him town into turn 1. If Kimi had finished the race then yes maybe the penalty was fair but how does it make sense to reward Massa for this? Kimi was infront when the crash happened so this overtake didn't push Kimi into the mistake.
he most definitely gained an advantage, although he did give the position back it was only for about 2 seconds as now slowing for the chicane meant he had a huge advantage over raikonen
THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT! Kimi had to give Lewis room because lewis had the driving line!!!! simple as that... obviously the stewards that day where FUCKED UP!
@MegaMrDamo Amen to that bro. Most tracks these days just look like big parking lots, where there be no consequences at all if you do mistakes. Hence so many using it to an advantage. Bring back gravel traps I say.
First of all he DID gave the position back. FIA rules do not mention that you should give the position back AND also give the same margin back. Thats too difficult to do while racing.
And it doesn't matter anyway, because Raikkonen crashed his car anyway, in the next few laps, and also before that he went too wide because he couldn't control the car with those tires in the wet track. He was slower than Hamilton and the crash was the result of pushing too much on slick tires.
i don't remember any aticle in the rule book that says you have to give the position back AND not overtake into the next corner or not use the car in front's slipstream. Moreover Mclaren checked with charlie if he had done enough to avoid a sanction. No this was just the cheating horses pressuring the maFIA into helping them win the championship. HAHA didn't work :-)
the rules state that you should give back the positions you gained by cutting the course... rules do not state that you can't overtake back on the next corner after giving back the position... its that simple...
love it wen hamilton infuriates all the sore whiteys,not all whitey coz im half whitey also, just the sore dull,jealous,two faced,untalented, ill dignified,often very insecure outside there comfort zones, the 5% of whiteys that seams to think humble sweet hard working,highly talented,gratefull lewis hamilton is the 5% of blackies that r rude,and un deservedy proud and arrogant,ill dignified,disgusting,insecure,good for nothing bums
Hamilton is a toss pot such a sore loser cant take a good beating and lets face it he is taking plenty of them this year oh and last year sorry MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Da2faan shut up you typical english prick. I never said i could beat him and as for him being a sore loser last weekend proved it again no consideration for anyone else on the track he spun out and just droppes the clutch not giving a shit about anyone else. He is a knob just like schumacer was and still is as he cant take a beating either
it doesn't matter how much of a gap lewis gave to kimi, if kimi has passed lewis by a fraction of a milometer he's still given the place back, theres no set distance there must be between them idiot
In fairness, I can see how Lewis didn't really yield enough and got an advantage for turn 1. HOWEVER, the idea of the penatly for something like this is to punish an advantage that was gained by the perpetrator. How the hell did he gain a meaningful advantage when he lost the place back to Kimi a couple of corners later, before regaining it again fairly, with Kimi then crashing out later round the lap.
For a look at what would've happened had Hamilton tried to take the chicane, see Massa vs Hamilton in Fuji 2008. almost exactly the same scenario, but no extra tarmac runoff. Spoiler: The two collide and Massa got a drive-through penalty.
every hamilton supporter take a look at japan gp 05. alonso cut the chicane and passed klien on the next straight, then went on his way and after being five seconds ahead two laps later, let him back through because he didn't give enough back of an advantage. thats how to do it, the rules were the same.
what a fucking waste of two minutes of my life! Hamilton took evasive action and then yielded the posistion back to kimi after the corner, so hamilton's pass on the following straight was fair! You've got too much time on your hands mate
@76ben91 You are completely incorrect. Hamilton received the penalty for a good reason. 1) He DECIDED to cut the chicane without being FORCED to (or making a genuine error or suffering a car problem). He has no right to do that. A driver must not leave the track EVEN IF IT WAS ON THE OUTSIDE of a corner or even if it was disadvantageous. 2) He then rejoins the track, moves back to allow Kimi through, BUT maintains his position JUST behind, POSSIBLY gaining an unfair advantage he would not have.
@76ben91 The driver must make sure it is CLEAR he didn't gain an unfair advantage. In general, the standard procedure is NOT TO OVERTAKE INTO THE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING CORNER. So two pieces of advice for Lewis, don't leave the track deliberately and don't pass before/into the next corner. No penalties then... And if you're asking me, Lewis should have been penalised for Canada 2008 MUCH more. He crashed into his closest championship rival at that time (Kimi, who also happened to be in front).
@76ben91 And even his "apology" was an insult: "I apologise to Kimi if I ruined his race." OF COURSE YOU RUINED HIS RACE!!! THERE ARE NO IFS!!! I cannot IMAGINE a CLEARER ruining of someone's race than ramming his rear when he's stationary at a red light! You can make a mistake, anybody can, but you have to apologise PROPERLY, like a MAN, without verbal trickery, hinting at possible speculation concerning the guilt or the seriousness of the situation (in WDC), and should be PUNISHED properly.
@76ben91 ham cut through the chicane and then had to give back the 1st place
so, facts:
1. he gave the possition back but blocked kimi's racing line so kimi braked like 20 meters before hamilton. STILL AN ADVANTAGE.
2. after giving the pos back u have to wait until after the next corner to try and overtake. after ham cuts hrough the chicane can u tell me what is the next corner? that's right. THE FIRST CORNER OF THE LAP! the corner where hamilton overtook kimi to gain the possition!
@76ben91 in the end Hamilton got away with it easily. and why I say "easily"? cause he took a 25-second penalty while he should have taken a 30-second penalty bringing him to 5th place if I'm not mistaken. at the last corner Alonso overtook 2 cars to get 4th position so those 2 cars couldn't have been more than 2 seconds behind him. and if ham had got the 30-second penaly that would have brought him to position 5
so do your homework before u open your mouth next time
Hamilton did a clean move on kimi, he add to cut the chicane to avoid kimi, and then when kimi repasses hamilton, hamilton passed kimi, and anyways kimi was never going to win the race cuz he crashed, so get over yourselves
@SennaHamilton4ever You're saying things you can never know? If Hamilton did what he had to do and let Kimi pass normal (with 1 car distance instead of instant slipstream) would the same have happened with Kimi? Can you know? NO. Can anybody know? NO. So stop f*cking arguing and accept the fact that Hamilton cutted the chicane and didn't let Kimi pass as he should've done. Just be happy he got his title...
@SennaHamilton4ever Hamilton was never 'past' Kimi They were alongside at most. Then on the following straight Kimi genuinely re overtook lewis. Not lewis giving him back the position.
He had all the time in the world to back off and take the crorner. Mclaren are dirty cheats just as much as Ferrari that the spats about who cheats the most are just ridiculous. Its like Man United fans versus Man City fans.
the practical fact was. if lewis didnt cut the corner. the would been on the curbstone...with no more grip/less grip lewis had no grip to steer the corner and ramd into kimi's side of the car. that made them Both crash. the strange part is why did lewis still got his penalty after giving kimi his place back. Also look at how kimi was back on lead, Lewis was slipstreaming and tried to pass kimi than kimi went of his line huge. almost a crash !
@Spionsilver Senna would have slapped the heads of the FIA for making stupid rules in the first place. They've already taken Hamilton's first born child so what else can they do but give him penalties every race for the smallest things that would normally be a warning to everyone else?
if you watch this throught hamiltons car you will see tha he didnt slow down through the straight and it was a clear overtaking by raikonnen.lewis didnt intend to give raikonnes's place back.my opinion
really? So lewis cut the chicane and start the straight in front, but didn't lift to give position back you say? No sense. Lewis not only waited, he waited a lot as Kimi had a poor traction exiting the straight. No physics law can cover what you are saying.
@pumbadvr9 youre so wrong you dumb bastard, Lewis gave the place back, kimi was only half a car infront going into the bus stop, lewis gave him more than that back on the straight and then owned him, so suck dick racist motherfuckers.
@pumbadvr9 What are you on about !?! these are F1 drivers, Hamilton is not exactly going to slow down when he can see that Raikkonen is easily going to take the position back, its F1, this is a race and both of them want to win. Raikkonen was very (almost too) defensive, forcing Lewis of the track, they each had a fair chance, Lewis should have got the win, disgraceful.
What if that chicane was a wall? Then he wouldn't of been able to drive through it and would've had to have back off.. It's no different. Rules are rules, he cut the corner, still had an obvious advantage and used it to take the lead. Who cares though? He won the championship.
this is just smart driving from hamilton, he didnt do anything wrong intill the fia decided to change to rules so ferrari was right and hamilton did recieve a penalty.
Nobody overtakes in that spot because nobody can catch a slipstream after the turn. Lewis could not have been able to do it without an "unusual" advantage. So in my opinion he had an UNFAIR advantage. Guilty. Penalty applied.
oh dickshit. watching it in a slide show is no where near decisive. hamilton stays on the track he gets a 25 second penalty for taking raikkonen off. he goes across the chicane, which lets face it every driver does, and then lets him repass is a perfectly legitimate thing to do and the Ferrari International Asisstance are just arrogant for thinking otherwise
My view is that Raikkonen was agressive, he left no room for Ham into the chicane, it was a bit over-defensive. I think the move on kimi into the 1st corner was valid, we see that Kimi tried to bash Ham's rear wing in 1st corner as he again is overly agressive.
Ham should have been given a 2 grid place-drop at the next gp at most. Let's face it, Kimi couldn't stay on the track anyway, so the 25 sec penalty was a bunch of bs from the stewards, as they loved fcking up the F1 results in 2008.
Im sick! and tired of! video like this! i only view video like this because it has a very good quality and if your just giving me a slide show photo from google i rather view a low quality one
lewis deliberately cut the chicane to stay in kimi's slip stream. he could've taken that corner easily but he would've been around 50m away but if he was a little patient he could've passed kimi later on.
@1995MattyD but, Hamilton was gaining before he cut the chicane, he braked later than Raikonnen. He pretty much put himself in same situation as before the corner, as he was in slipstream before and braked late to overtake, only difference it was a hairpin. This great racing would not have happened if Hamilton wasnt there, they were far ahead of third. FIA are limiting overtaking to much and it's getting to artificial. And, you are not a true fan if you want someone to crash out to stop racing
You say Hamilton did not give enough back to Kimi. Actually he did, he gave him more. When he cut the chicane they were only just side by side (slide 5). When he gave the position back, he was clearly behind Kimi. The rule is that if you cut a corner and gain advantage, you must give that advantage back( which is the same for all motorsport). The rule about waiting a corner before you re-overtake was made AFTER THE RACE, as a way for the FIA to wrongly punish Hamilton.
@F1guitarfanatic927 Oh Please! I can think of many situations where Hamilton benifited from non calls. Pitlane racing in china, weaving back and forth in malaysia, alowed to to drive almost the entire race in valencia after passing the saftey car yet here you are blaming the FIA. The rules are the same for everyone. You get a penalty just accept it and qiut whining like a little bitch. Your vagina's bleeding BTW.
"Should not be in front form outbraking for the slower line"
So your saying that going round the outside to overtake should be illegal? its rules like that, that re devaluing overtaking, and making it too artificial.
@tomdrum, i am not pleased or "was not" pleased with the desicion as i felt it was very harsh but alonso recieved his penalty in silverstone 2010 even though kubica's engine blew. Although hamilton didnt take the lead back immediatly and i feel a reprimand would have been the reight call, secondly that people were moaning that if piquet hadnt crashed in singapore then hamilton wouldnt have won, well if this silly descision hadnt been made allowing massa to win then hamilton would have won anyway
The person who made this vidio is obviously biast, lewis was forced over the chicane to aviod contact d retirement. The FIA were wrong to give a punishment but should have called it a racing incedent.
@RazorsMcLarenMp23 The stupid thing was that Hamilton played it fair and let him back through, and since there was no rule about not then having another go at the next corner, then it was a load of rubbish from the stewards. A totally brainless decision.
at 0:44 - "kimi is clearly a whole cars length ahead..."
Lewis' right front is CLEARLY right next to kimi's left rear. so yes lewiscould just turn right and slot in behind kimi, but that would spin kimi off the track and take out lewis' front wing. the guy who made this video is a biased idiot who needs to learn that there is more than one talented driver on the track.
lol Hardly dirty, theres many more: schumacher monaco 2006, schumacher hill 1994, schumacher barichello was awful at the 2010 hungarian gp. Im not saying schumacher is bad, just that hamilton's move wasn't dirty.
Also, it didn't merit a penalty of that sort by any means. An appalling decision by the FIA
@tomhoppo dont waste your words on trolls mate :) trolls always trolling around u know... had it been schumi, no penalty, had it been webber, he wouldnt cut the corner, he would just cut through kimi's car in half as he would not have enough room as always :) had it been alonso, radio: alonso u are faster than him, do you understand? :) and on and on... hamilton did it, they gave a penalty that did not exist up until a week later after this race, oh well, go on ma-FIA
wow every moking him saying hes a shit driver clearley not he making his opinion (the guy making the vid) no need to say hes shit if he is "shit" you go get into f1 i bet ur fat sitting on ur comp all day just jelosey i think-george
You forget to mention how Raikkonen promptly went out to use vast amounts of tarmac run-off to gain an advantage over Hamilton before he crashed. He went unpunished and did the same thing in 2009, again going unpunished and winning the race.
Anyway, Lewis won the title he deserved and we are all smiling.
@MrThreshold2009 Using the outside line is an advantage? Cutting chicane is not an advantage, but using the outside line because he is going wide is an advantage... Okay... Thumbs up...
@ChikaItoh Yes, later on the lap of Hamilton's pass Raikkonen and Hamilton went off, the former blasted deep through the run off area and gained a very clear advantage. Like he did in '09 at the exit of La Source. I know as I was there watching him do it.
@MrThreshold2009 Oh by the ways, I'm not saying he didn't deserve the title or anything. So don't go ranting about that. He won the title, so he deserved the title. Good for him.
@ChikaItoh I know you're not saying he didn't deserve the title. Good grief, if you class that as a rant you have warped views. And just by winning the title it does not mean a driver deserves it.
Also the guy who put the captions in this video is an idiot. There was never a point where Lewis had " a cars width" to back off and let Kimi by and why would he race over the rumblestrip trying to make a corner that Kimi has blocked him from? Also he never had enough slipstream to do anything with it, it was like .1 milliseconds he was behind him and at the end of the day theres no either or, since he wasnt going to make the corner in any way possible without contact.
i'm a massive lewis fan i know that situation gave him an advantage but i think it wasn't anything more than a racing incident and to take the race win away from lewis even after kimi crashed was criminal
look at what Renault did 2008, race fixing. why did they let Alonso get away with that after doing this to Lewis! its wrong and unfair. Ham won this race fair. no if any1 disagrees with it or not. they can not change the truth. Alonso cheats!
if kimi was faster then lewis he would have stayed ahead of lewis.
news flash people thats racing!
plus Kimi crashed, if lewis stayed behind him. lewis would have won due to kimi crashing! and please learn racing! or play the F1 game and you will know!
everything about that was unfair
if you dont believe a wing can cause a puncture look at Brazil 2009, when a Mclaren gave a Brawn a rear puncture with his front wing. which it could have happend 2 times if you think about it!
@clioman97 100% wrong, if he'd stayed where he was and stayed on the line they would have hit. Lewis gave the place back fair and square. no where in the rule book does it say "A driver has to wait 1 corner to try another over taking manoeuvre!"
fact Kimi would have crashed if lewis would have stayed in P2.
Fact Lewis is great in the wet (Siverstone 2008)
fact the F.I.A come down harder on Mclaren.
fiction Lewis cheated.
Fact if it had been ur favourite driver u would not call him a cheat!
@f1fana1 I been trying to say that! There is no either or here, he had no choice but to cut. It does say in the rules though that the other guy has to maintain first for atleast a corner. I believe that is what they changed in the rules two weeks later but obviously this happened two weeks before so the penalty sucks in the end... But if you look at it from the rules at the time Lewis did everything by the book He was better pilot that day its a shame.
@jraybay sorry, Ive got 2 copys of the F.I.A rule book, 1 from 2008 it does not say that. but the 2009 one does say it. when he was racing at spa it did not say it. Ham did do everything by the book.
Slip streamed kimi, legal.
out braked him, legal.
the facts are kimi would have crashed which would have given the win to him. if that would have went down, you lot would have nothing. now as hes proven not a cheat and every1s silence shows me that.
@ChikaItoh Point Silverstone 08, both Ferraris span in the wet, point 2 he gave the place back fair. if he didnt cut he would have given kimi a rear puncture, Ham did everything by the book. if you look at the car data he was slower then kimi as they both past the line, ham out breaked him thats leagal. before that race no where in the rule book did it say "give the full advantage back"
your all points are not vaild as Ferrari and cheated this year "team order."
@f1fana1 I think you and Ham fans don't seem to understand that he had taken a big advantage, and not returning it seems fair.
Just might as well say, oh, he was about to collide with another driver on the 1st corner at Monza, so he had to take the exit road and came out just on the back of the driver who blocked him, use slipstream and overtake and outbreak on the next chicane when he wasnt even suppose to be that close in the 1st place..
@ChikaItoh@ChikaItoh Look at the facts! Look at the facts! I might be a Mclaren fan, I might be a lewis fan, but he did everything by the book. your argument is invalid.
point out in the rule book before this race where does it say "he has to wait 1 corner to re over take" and "give the full advantage back" you wont find it. the F.I.A dont like Mclaren, they come down hard on them. they let Ferrari get away with team orders, but DQed Mclaren for having Ferrari documents on a home pc!
@f1fana1 Basically ur just saying that its fair to keep the full advantage taken by cutting the chicane as long as its by the book. Its thats the case, well done...
@ChikaItoh and your saying that the rule book is meaningless as Ferrari gets away with a clear team order! u cant point out in the rule book where it says "a driver has to give the full advantage back" its in the rule book after that but before that it WAS NOT! look at the car data, hes slower then kimi.
NEWS FLASH, Slip streaming is racing! OUT breaking is RACING! you Ferrari fans need to get a grip and learn things dont always go your way!
@ChikaItoh your forgetting all the times Micheal and Ros Brawn have cheated! but yet no one says that its all "lewis did this, lewis did that" Its fucking boreing, find another driver to call a cheater. lewis is better then kimi/Alonso and others in the wet
look at Silverstone 08 when every1 span (Kimi, ALonso, Massa!) Lewis is great in the wet, simple as. GET OVER IT!
before you mouth off at any lewis fan, dont forget Ferrari HISTORY!!!!! yours is worse!
@f1fana1 Sad... Firstly, I didn't mouth off about any Lewis fans. And now you're just bringing in the past. You say Lewis is great, but he does make really bad mistakes like getting beached in China at the pit entry and crashing into Kimi in the Pits when the light was Red. I dunno, but thats worse than spinning in the wet.
Sure, I didnt even argue about Slip Streaming and Out Breaking. I agree its part of racing. I just disagree with you that he should be able to keep the advantage taken.
@ChikaItoh what part of he gave it back dont you understand! the rule clearly said give the place back, he did. you have nothing! you dont understand the sport! you fail.
@f1fana1 Yea I know Ive been trying to tell this guy that he did everything by the book here, based on the rules and when the f.i.a changed the rule it was obviously because of this incident and also so they could save their own asses. Just look at Michael schumacher at Hungary on pedro de la rosa and he didnt even get a penalty so I dont know whats wrong with the f.i.a sometimes...
@f1fana1 Once again, i didnt say he did anything against the rules. Just the fact that he has gained an advantage and did not return it fully. He wasnt suppose to be that close to Kimi.
Sadly for you, I understand the sport, and you fail for supporting an un-sportmanship move.
@ChikaItoh but still you dont point out in the rule book where it says you have to fully give the advantage back!!! you cant as it only says GIVE the place back. HE did, he DID!! thats the rules granted after the race the rule changed but before this it never. PLUS it never said "a driver has to wait 1 corner to re over take!"
POINT out in the 2009 rule book before this where it says what you want it to say, if you can not shut up!
@f1fana1 Sure, but I'm arguing about the fact that he gained an advantage over Kimi through that corner because of cutting the chicane. And the fact that he wouldn't be that close past the chicane. Because he shouldn't be that close, he wouldn't be able to overtake Kimi at that time.
@ChikaItoh if he was alittle bit further behind Kimi, he would have still got past him. its called out breaking some1, read the other post and I bet u cant answer them. when you let others get away with it, and others get punished. hows it fair
@f1fana1 What? Outbreaking someone if he was further away than that? Okay.... I highly doubt that when Kimi blocked him and wanted to leave him out to dry. The fact that he was that much closer just allowed him to outbreak Kimi. Then again, Lewis had the inside line because of that.
@ChikaItoh how can you hit us over the head with the rule book but yet ignore the other rule breaks?
the facts still say Lewis would have won, due to kimi crashing. its meaningless, this was unfair on hamilton. if you think hes not good in the wet look at silverstone 08, when every1 span but lewis won it. his best ever wet race.
@f1fana1 Kimi wouldnt have crashed if Hamilton wouldn't have skipped that corner, because there is a thing called physical positional, wich demostrates that a change in a movement in the past would change the incoming events, as long as they would not be following a rule, and in F1 you dont take a corner in the same way with a car on you, than with it 1 second behind.
@ChikaItoh You have no point though when you take the rules into account, if Hamilton does everything by the book *at the time* then why is he punished? The f.i.a changed the rules 2 weeks later to save themselves from embarrassment, I think that says everything that needs to be said. The rules didnt say "give him back the full length of the advantage" or to "wait one corner" but they do now because of this, so if something like this happens again then you will have a valid point.
@ChikaItoh ok ok, HOW can the F.I.A let others get away with it and punish Hamilton?
How can the F.I.A let Ferrari get away with a clear team order??? they even said sorry to Massa!
when the F.I.A learn to be fair on all no one will have a problem, but until then no chance this is unfair! the punishment is not fair as others got away with it.how can you expect a sport to be fair to all when others get away with rule breaks?
@puddingpants7 Sure thing. I understand your point. But I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from that Lewis did indeed gain a huge advantage from cutting that chicane, therefore he shouldn't be able to overtake Kimi by right.
@ChikaItoh Mclaren told him to stay out at China with the chords showing on the tire if anything its mclarens fault. And apparently mclaren said he was looking at the wheel when he hit Kimi but I doubt that. the cars are actually going much faster than they look he couldnt stop after he realized the situation he was in. I am a big fan of Lewis He only knows how to go 110% all the time thats what seperates him from the rest. Kimi is a slob.
@ChikaItoh and as far as I know, he was behind him. slip streaming some1 is legal. out breaking some1 is legal. look at the car data from both cars, LOOK AT IT!!!! you will see hes slower then kimi, its not Lewis fault if kimi dont have the bottle to go faster or out break lewis!
if it was your fav Driver you would side with him! dont say you would not cos you would. its always differnt when your saying it about who you like! and whom, you dislike!
@f1fana1 as far as i know, he was suppose to be behind him but not that close to begin with. Therefore, he should not even have the slipstream advantage. And no duh, anyone who is overtaking the next person will indeed be faster, hence making ham slower. All ham need to do is full throttle again just as Kimi starts overtaking and get on his slipstream to get the car about the same speed and faster once again.
your saying this as if you can, or have driven an f1 car in the rain....you really have no position to be saying stuff like this....fact: you've never driven an f1 car, you have no right to talk shit about the pro's
@clioman97 100% wrong, if he'd stayed where he was and stayed on the line they would have hit. Lewis gave the place back fair and square. no where in the rule book does it say "A driver has to wait 1 corner to try another over taking manoeuvre!"
fact Kimi would have crashed if lewis would have stayed in P2.
Fact Lewis is great in the wet (Siverstone 2008)
fact the F.I.A come down harder on Mclaren.
fiction Lewis cheated.
Fact if it had been ur favourite driver u would not call him a cheat!
WHERES THE OTHER HALF OF THE VIDEO WHERE KIMI COMES BACK ON THE TRACK AND TRIES TO SERIOUSLY INJURE HAMILTON BY CRASHING HIS CAR INTO HIS?? OH WE WONT SHOW THAT WILL WE
whats the problem here you people break this sport down like its so fucking technical he got to close in the first corner gave him the lead now when it come to the next corner he wnats the lead back and you argue why?? why the fuck for a secod would hamilton let kimi in front for any reason whatso ever this is a race its not a sport. theres only 1 winner nobody remembers the second places finishes. fuck out of here fucking cry babies
I cant beleive that 149 people dislike this video... Clearly people dont understand racing. This explains why he DID deserve punishment. Bloody idiots
I dont see the advantage he gained? Lewis let him go so that means hes of the throttle where is the advantage? Kimi binned it anyway why are they stripping Lewis a of a victory that kimi threw away in the end.
@jraybay he did gain an advantage... :/ if Lewis didnt cut the through the corner, then he will be 0.3 seconds behind... not 0.05 seconds behind Kimi to get the slipstream and charge back in front... Thats my opinion.. :/
@ChikaItoh Its easy for you to talk in hindsight. It also would have been easier if Kimi didnt merge over to force Lewis off too, wouldnt it? Give me a break. Like you actually sat there breaking down how close he was 0.3/0.5. 0.5 to 0.3 is irrelevant since he was in his slipstream for about a millisecond. The truth about slipstream is you need to be behind a car for more than one millisecond cause you dont get any adaantage from sitting behind him for such a little amount of time you noob :\ .
@jraybay i didn't call anyone a noob or anything btws... just stating my opinion... but for Kimi to move over to block Lewis was a fair move btws... =.=
@ChikaItoh Ya I know...we all know, its racing what Kimi did was ok. Its just having to wait on the fia two weeks later to take away Lewis' well deserved victory. Plus Kimi threw it away into the wall its silly. wtf is btws? Whats with all these random acronyms..
@jraybay Yea... I was disappointed with Kimi for doing that... But then again they were both on slick tires on the rainy part of the track... Btw means by the ways.. Haha.. Sorry :P
@ChikaItoh What he did was ok its a block pass. No he didnt slide over into hamilton because of slick tires and a wet track he knew what he was doing. Ok
@jraybay no no... i mean the part where they were both losing control and in the end, and when he crashed and gave away his race. not the blocking maneuver.. :)
@jraybay Where you ask? Dude it is a fact or racing that if he didnt cut the chicane then out of the corner he would not of been as close in the first place bud.
Its not a what if... its a fact.. Every racing driver knows this.
@SuperHardTrance what do you mean would have been? He had no choice but to go across. I dont see how letting him go past you is gaining an advantage? Plus there wasnt even a rule saying that you had to let him maintain his position for one corner. It was made up two weeks after this incident so I still think its bullshit whatever you have to say.
@SuperHardTrance Obviously if he made the corner which he couldnt have he wouldnt be in front, I think you're trying to say. My point is that there isnt actually any advantage he has . His penalty was because he passed kimi again before they had gone through another corner. I understand now but I think thats bullshat and thats the fact actually.
@jraybay you asked where the advantage is... i just explained where it is... giving it back dont mean he didnt gain... he gave part part part of the advantage back... but not all of it
@SuperHardTrance but theres no rule saying you have to let Kimi pull out a half a second lead or more. youre saying nonsense. The fia reviewed the rule and Lewis was penalized for basically not letting Raikkonen recover the lead. Lewis smoked Raikkonen under braking for the hairpin hes not at fault for that.
@jraybay Told you a million times where the advantage is... i not talking about rules... just explaining to you were it is... but it aint getting through to you so im done. Your obviously a hard core Hamilton fan not an f1 fan. c u later bud
@SuperHardTrance Do you not understand that NOWHERE in the rules does it say give back the ful llength/time of the advantage you gained?? you fucking wake up and shut your politically correct ass up.
@jraybay AHA... Finally we got somewhere... you understand he didnt give the whole advantage back... But to you he didnt gain anadvantage because its not in the rules to GIVE THE WHOLE advantage back... OMFG... Your seriously thick as shit.
But at least you admit you know now where the advantage was... now i can stop wasting time on you.
@SuperHardTrance No youre thick you keep saying he didnt give the whole advantage back and you dont seem to understand that you dont have to give it all back according to the rules. But its cool you do you. You havent even brought up a point that makes sense to me because you dont seem to understand the rules and you keep neglecting them. I told you shut your poiltically correct ass up man .
@SuperHardTrance Bro how many times did the guy tell you he didnt let Kimi maintain his position? We clearly can see cutting a chicane is an advantage Lewis let him by again thats all he has to do, theres a difference between what you think is right and what the actual fia regulations are, it seems. If Kimi exited the hairpin in first, none of this would be happening right now, simple.
@puddingpants7 Stay out of it because thats not the point im trying to make.... he asked where the advantage is.... he cut the chicane... he gave the position back... Good for Hami... (im a huge fan of both) HOWEVERRRR he did not give the whole the whole THE WHOLE advantage back. And thats where the advantage was.... we aint talking about the rule here... or ever what i think... im stating a fact and pointing out to him where the advantage was. OK i agree that the punishment was harsh as hell
@SuperHardTrance Im just saying you both are basically saying the exact same thing only you dont look at it from the rules standpoint which is why you guys banter. The truth is youre both saying Hamilton didnt let Kimi maintain first place, bottom line the end.
@SuperHardTrance I agree with you... Lets just say I'm 2 seconds the lead driver.. I start cutting the corners.. Eventually, I will catch up with the lead driver because I was cutting the corners... And during the last corner I cut, I accidentally overtook the lead driver... I give the lead back to him and instantly overtake him... Therefore, I didnt get an advantage?
Just a lousy example, but you get the idea right? :/
@ChikaItoh Chikal nobody cuts corners to catch up lol terrible...video game lol. Theres a reason why a pilot has to cut, they entered side by side Kimi blocked Lewis from the scond corner of the chicane. Lewis only mistake was letting Kimi by and passing him before they completed another corner. He never got slipstream or an advantage. Once again this rule wasnt even a rule until two weeks after this incident, thats what I dont get. I think it bullshat but Lewis still champ so watever.
@jraybay I'm just giving an example... And the argument isn't who is champion... The question is if Lewis gained an advantage. When Kimi blocked Lewis in the corner, would he be as close as he should be on the straight? The obvious answer is No. And the fact that he is so close after the corner, even when the position is given back, it is an Advantage.
@ChikaItoh Obviously not,I tried to hint like lets MOVE ON hes champion anyway wtf. Its quite obvious that cutting the chicane when Kimi actually made it is an advantage but Lewis did everything by the book. He blatently gave the position back because he is the one calling the shots in a case like this. Nowhere in the rules does it say let Kimi go ahead half a second again and catch up. all he has to do is let him by. Lewis made the mistake of overtaking Kimi immediatly after I understand now
@ChikaItoh Well I understand it now he never let Kimi maintain his position is what i've been saying but I see your point and I understand you too now . The fia reviewed this rule and tweaked it alittle two weeks later because they knew it was a stupid penalty and that sucks because they then, made it fit accordingly with this incident which I think sucks but thats the fia . Thanks enjoy Korea.
@jraybay Aye.. I guess the only concern which made FIA review the rule was so that the whole advantage can be returned, and that this would not happen again... Enjoy Korea too! ^_^
Hmmm If you ask me hamilton did gain an advantage, but Kimi gained one right back when Hamilton took his foot of the petrol to let Kimi pass......what ever happens after that is up to the better driver to decide. Thats why Hamilton won the next corner.
well if you ask me, this incident is IRRELEVANT, because for anyone who watched the race on that day saw, both of those to fall off the track practically everywhere on the curcuit! and if there was or was not an advantage which lewis gained, ( which i think he didnt) it all meant nothing because KIMI hit the wall towards the end of the race. so why should it matter what happend before!? I suppose its just the Stewards and the F.I.A (Ferrari. International.Assistance) working all over this race!
This is a highly biased video, Mclaren proved to the FIA via telemetry that Hamilton lifted to let Kimi through it's only because he judged it well that he didn't lose much ground on Kimi and was therefor able to out break him town into turn 1. If Kimi had finished the race then yes maybe the penalty was fair but how does it make sense to reward Massa for this? Kimi was infront when the crash happened so this overtake didn't push Kimi into the mistake.
sodiracer 4 weeks ago
he most definitely gained an advantage, although he did give the position back it was only for about 2 seconds as now slowing for the chicane meant he had a huge advantage over raikonen
IAmxZki 1 month ago
THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT! Kimi had to give Lewis room because lewis had the driving line!!!! simple as that... obviously the stewards that day where FUCKED UP!
TheZWEBIE 5 months ago
personaly i dont think he should have rechived that pen
MegaOro123 5 months ago
It is just another reason to have gravel traps, and the old chicane backa again
MegaMrDamo 5 months ago
@MegaMrDamo Amen to that bro. Most tracks these days just look like big parking lots, where there be no consequences at all if you do mistakes. Hence so many using it to an advantage. Bring back gravel traps I say.
VuDu4000 2 months ago
First of all he DID gave the position back. FIA rules do not mention that you should give the position back AND also give the same margin back. Thats too difficult to do while racing.
And it doesn't matter anyway, because Raikkonen crashed his car anyway, in the next few laps, and also before that he went too wide because he couldn't control the car with those tires in the wet track. He was slower than Hamilton and the crash was the result of pushing too much on slick tires.
A Ferrari fan!
75NZ 6 months ago 2
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75NZ 6 months ago
i don't remember any aticle in the rule book that says you have to give the position back AND not overtake into the next corner or not use the car in front's slipstream. Moreover Mclaren checked with charlie if he had done enough to avoid a sanction. No this was just the cheating horses pressuring the maFIA into helping them win the championship. HAHA didn't work :-)
chewie79 6 months ago
kimi is so happy hahaha not moody git
xxmusicxxaddictedxx 6 months ago
after all that crap kimi put in the fucking wall anyway so wat did it matter.
MrBenwelland 6 months ago
after all that crap kimi put in the fucking wall anyway so wat did it matter.
MrBenwelland 6 months ago
the rules state that you should give back the positions you gained by cutting the course... rules do not state that you can't overtake back on the next corner after giving back the position... its that simple...
Sephiroth32vergil 7 months ago
love it wen hamilton infuriates all the sore whiteys,not all whitey coz im half whitey also, just the sore dull,jealous,two faced,untalented, ill dignified,often very insecure outside there comfort zones, the 5% of whiteys that seams to think humble sweet hard working,highly talented,gratefull lewis hamilton is the 5% of blackies that r rude,and un deservedy proud and arrogant,ill dignified,disgusting,insecure,good for nothing bums
Da2faan 7 months ago
@Da2faan u what? :P
whitey8f1 6 months ago
@Da2faan I didn't understand a word of that.
CornSnakez 6 months ago
@CornSnakez thats becoz ur a bit dumb
Da2faan 6 months ago
@Da2faan Says the one who can't even spell.
CornSnakez 6 months ago
@CornSnakez :(
Da2faan 6 months ago
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Da2faan 7 months ago
stop bitching this was soooooo 3 years ago lol
MrBenjamin10001 7 months ago
Hamilton is a toss pot such a sore loser cant take a good beating and lets face it he is taking plenty of them this year oh and last year sorry MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
micky1483 7 months ago
@micky1483 beating from whom, certianly not lil u
Da2faan 7 months ago
@Da2faan shut up you typical english prick. I never said i could beat him and as for him being a sore loser last weekend proved it again no consideration for anyone else on the track he spun out and just droppes the clutch not giving a shit about anyone else. He is a knob just like schumacer was and still is as he cant take a beating either
micky1483 6 months ago
@micky1483 lewis is by far the best f1 driver there, right :)
Da2faan 6 months ago
@Da2faan keep telling yourself that someday you might even believe yourself. He is a KNOB
micky1483 6 months ago
it doesn't matter how much of a gap lewis gave to kimi, if kimi has passed lewis by a fraction of a milometer he's still given the place back, theres no set distance there must be between them idiot
MrDudeDrums 7 months ago
In fairness, I can see how Lewis didn't really yield enough and got an advantage for turn 1. HOWEVER, the idea of the penatly for something like this is to punish an advantage that was gained by the perpetrator. How the hell did he gain a meaningful advantage when he lost the place back to Kimi a couple of corners later, before regaining it again fairly, with Kimi then crashing out later round the lap.
jaryd12345 8 months ago
@Exciled12
I am aking you the same thing.did you even watch it through hamiltons inside cam??
pumbadvr9 8 months ago
dude, if you were in hamilton place you'll do exacly the same thing, believe me. I do go kart and i know it.
RyckardPT 8 months ago
to many dry shites running the sport now
dec1612981 8 months ago
For a look at what would've happened had Hamilton tried to take the chicane, see Massa vs Hamilton in Fuji 2008. almost exactly the same scenario, but no extra tarmac runoff. Spoiler: The two collide and Massa got a drive-through penalty.
madowl85 8 months ago
every hamilton supporter take a look at japan gp 05. alonso cut the chicane and passed klien on the next straight, then went on his way and after being five seconds ahead two laps later, let him back through because he didn't give enough back of an advantage. thats how to do it, the rules were the same.
xshx19 8 months ago
You're an ass
George69B 9 months ago
what a fucking waste of two minutes of my life! Hamilton took evasive action and then yielded the posistion back to kimi after the corner, so hamilton's pass on the following straight was fair! You've got too much time on your hands mate
76ben91 9 months ago 13
@76ben91 You are completely incorrect. Hamilton received the penalty for a good reason. 1) He DECIDED to cut the chicane without being FORCED to (or making a genuine error or suffering a car problem). He has no right to do that. A driver must not leave the track EVEN IF IT WAS ON THE OUTSIDE of a corner or even if it was disadvantageous. 2) He then rejoins the track, moves back to allow Kimi through, BUT maintains his position JUST behind, POSSIBLY gaining an unfair advantage he would not have.
jakubkrcma 6 months ago
@76ben91 The driver must make sure it is CLEAR he didn't gain an unfair advantage. In general, the standard procedure is NOT TO OVERTAKE INTO THE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING CORNER. So two pieces of advice for Lewis, don't leave the track deliberately and don't pass before/into the next corner. No penalties then... And if you're asking me, Lewis should have been penalised for Canada 2008 MUCH more. He crashed into his closest championship rival at that time (Kimi, who also happened to be in front).
jakubkrcma 6 months ago
@76ben91 And even his "apology" was an insult: "I apologise to Kimi if I ruined his race." OF COURSE YOU RUINED HIS RACE!!! THERE ARE NO IFS!!! I cannot IMAGINE a CLEARER ruining of someone's race than ramming his rear when he's stationary at a red light! You can make a mistake, anybody can, but you have to apologise PROPERLY, like a MAN, without verbal trickery, hinting at possible speculation concerning the guilt or the seriousness of the situation (in WDC), and should be PUNISHED properly.
jakubkrcma 6 months ago 2
@jakubkrcma u are absolutly right
zabraoota 6 months ago
@76ben91 ham cut through the chicane and then had to give back the 1st place
so, facts:
1. he gave the possition back but blocked kimi's racing line so kimi braked like 20 meters before hamilton. STILL AN ADVANTAGE.
2. after giving the pos back u have to wait until after the next corner to try and overtake. after ham cuts hrough the chicane can u tell me what is the next corner? that's right. THE FIRST CORNER OF THE LAP! the corner where hamilton overtook kimi to gain the possition!
V4Vouchi 1 month ago
@76ben91 in the end Hamilton got away with it easily. and why I say "easily"? cause he took a 25-second penalty while he should have taken a 30-second penalty bringing him to 5th place if I'm not mistaken. at the last corner Alonso overtook 2 cars to get 4th position so those 2 cars couldn't have been more than 2 seconds behind him. and if ham had got the 30-second penaly that would have brought him to position 5
so do your homework before u open your mouth next time
V4Vouchi 1 month ago
Hamilton did a clean move on kimi, he add to cut the chicane to avoid kimi, and then when kimi repasses hamilton, hamilton passed kimi, and anyways kimi was never going to win the race cuz he crashed, so get over yourselves
SennaHamilton4ever 9 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever You're saying things you can never know? If Hamilton did what he had to do and let Kimi pass normal (with 1 car distance instead of instant slipstream) would the same have happened with Kimi? Can you know? NO. Can anybody know? NO. So stop f*cking arguing and accept the fact that Hamilton cutted the chicane and didn't let Kimi pass as he should've done. Just be happy he got his title...
toureyaya24 9 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever Hamilton was never 'past' Kimi They were alongside at most. Then on the following straight Kimi genuinely re overtook lewis. Not lewis giving him back the position.
kielchamp 7 months ago
He had all the time in the world to back off and take the crorner. Mclaren are dirty cheats just as much as Ferrari that the spats about who cheats the most are just ridiculous. Its like Man United fans versus Man City fans.
FM5KR6F2007 9 months ago
CLEARCUT CHEATING BY LEWIS !!!
COST KIMI THE RACE AND F1 IF YOU THINK ABT IT ,,, HE SPOILED CANADA TOO.
F1lover1977 10 months ago
@F1lover1977 Riakonnen didn't even come 2nd though... he crashed the fcking judas... stop crying....hamilton won fair & square.
copperkipper1 9 months ago
this hole video is complety scaled to theorie...
the practical fact was. if lewis didnt cut the corner. the would been on the curbstone...with no more grip/less grip lewis had no grip to steer the corner and ramd into kimi's side of the car. that made them Both crash. the strange part is why did lewis still got his penalty after giving kimi his place back. Also look at how kimi was back on lead, Lewis was slipstreaming and tried to pass kimi than kimi went of his line huge. almost a crash !
WarheartHC 10 months ago
@WarheartHC
and to complete this story, im a Lewis fan ! and i Kimi fan back when he was in Mclaren.
the practical fact was if lewis wasnt cutting the corner they both crashed
WarheartHC 10 months ago
i´d give hamilton the penalty everytime he intentionally tries to cheat..
he needs to learn that a cool player always plays by the rules...
that isnt written anywhere but it has to come from the inside..
Senna would have slapped him for that...
Spionsilver 10 months ago
@Spionsilver Senna would have slapped the heads of the FIA for making stupid rules in the first place. They've already taken Hamilton's first born child so what else can they do but give him penalties every race for the smallest things that would normally be a warning to everyone else?
filipinokid3 10 months ago
if you watch this throught hamiltons car you will see tha he didnt slow down through the straight and it was a clear overtaking by raikonnen.lewis didnt intend to give raikonnes's place back.my opinion
pumbadvr9 10 months ago 15
@pumbadvr9
really? So lewis cut the chicane and start the straight in front, but didn't lift to give position back you say? No sense. Lewis not only waited, he waited a lot as Kimi had a poor traction exiting the straight. No physics law can cover what you are saying.
1silviotavares 6 months ago
*poor traction exiting the chucane, I mean.
1silviotavares 6 months ago
@pumbadvr9 youre so wrong you dumb bastard, Lewis gave the place back, kimi was only half a car infront going into the bus stop, lewis gave him more than that back on the straight and then owned him, so suck dick racist motherfuckers.
x420Raptor1 5 months ago
@pumbadvr9 What are you on about !?! these are F1 drivers, Hamilton is not exactly going to slow down when he can see that Raikkonen is easily going to take the position back, its F1, this is a race and both of them want to win. Raikkonen was very (almost too) defensive, forcing Lewis of the track, they each had a fair chance, Lewis should have got the win, disgraceful.
iboman44 1 month ago
What if that chicane was a wall? Then he wouldn't of been able to drive through it and would've had to have back off.. It's no different. Rules are rules, he cut the corner, still had an obvious advantage and used it to take the lead. Who cares though? He won the championship.
SagradoProductions 10 months ago
Lewis blows.
Bazuna 10 months ago
this is just smart driving from hamilton, he didnt do anything wrong intill the fia decided to change to rules so ferrari was right and hamilton did recieve a penalty.
Regret696 10 months ago
If you think Hamilton played it fair you are brain dead. Learn the physics of racing.
SuperHardTrance 11 months ago
Nobody overtakes in that spot because nobody can catch a slipstream after the turn. Lewis could not have been able to do it without an "unusual" advantage. So in my opinion he had an UNFAIR advantage. Guilty. Penalty applied.
lcville 11 months ago
oh dickshit. watching it in a slide show is no where near decisive. hamilton stays on the track he gets a 25 second penalty for taking raikkonen off. he goes across the chicane, which lets face it every driver does, and then lets him repass is a perfectly legitimate thing to do and the Ferrari International Asisstance are just arrogant for thinking otherwise
garethkielty 11 months ago
My view is that Raikkonen was agressive, he left no room for Ham into the chicane, it was a bit over-defensive. I think the move on kimi into the 1st corner was valid, we see that Kimi tried to bash Ham's rear wing in 1st corner as he again is overly agressive.
Ham should have been given a 2 grid place-drop at the next gp at most. Let's face it, Kimi couldn't stay on the track anyway, so the 25 sec penalty was a bunch of bs from the stewards, as they loved fcking up the F1 results in 2008.
zt2max 11 months ago
Im sick! and tired of! video like this! i only view video like this because it has a very good quality and if your just giving me a slide show photo from google i rather view a low quality one
bongnavaro24 1 year ago
lewis deliberately cut the chicane to stay in kimi's slip stream. he could've taken that corner easily but he would've been around 50m away but if he was a little patient he could've passed kimi later on.
zabraoota 1 year ago
@1995MattyD but, Hamilton was gaining before he cut the chicane, he braked later than Raikonnen. He pretty much put himself in same situation as before the corner, as he was in slipstream before and braked late to overtake, only difference it was a hairpin. This great racing would not have happened if Hamilton wasnt there, they were far ahead of third. FIA are limiting overtaking to much and it's getting to artificial. And, you are not a true fan if you want someone to crash out to stop racing
F1guitarfanatic927 1 year ago
You say Hamilton did not give enough back to Kimi. Actually he did, he gave him more. When he cut the chicane they were only just side by side (slide 5). When he gave the position back, he was clearly behind Kimi. The rule is that if you cut a corner and gain advantage, you must give that advantage back( which is the same for all motorsport). The rule about waiting a corner before you re-overtake was made AFTER THE RACE, as a way for the FIA to wrongly punish Hamilton.
F1guitarfanatic927 1 year ago
@F1guitarfanatic927 Oh Please! I can think of many situations where Hamilton benifited from non calls. Pitlane racing in china, weaving back and forth in malaysia, alowed to to drive almost the entire race in valencia after passing the saftey car yet here you are blaming the FIA. The rules are the same for everyone. You get a penalty just accept it and qiut whining like a little bitch. Your vagina's bleeding BTW.
aieljose 11 months ago
"Should not be in front form outbraking for the slower line"
So your saying that going round the outside to overtake should be illegal? its rules like that, that re devaluing overtaking, and making it too artificial.
F1guitarfanatic927 1 year ago
@tomdrum, i am not pleased or "was not" pleased with the desicion as i felt it was very harsh but alonso recieved his penalty in silverstone 2010 even though kubica's engine blew. Although hamilton didnt take the lead back immediatly and i feel a reprimand would have been the reight call, secondly that people were moaning that if piquet hadnt crashed in singapore then hamilton wouldnt have won, well if this silly descision hadnt been made allowing massa to win then hamilton would have won anyway
06MilesA 1 year ago
The person who made this vidio is obviously biast, lewis was forced over the chicane to aviod contact d retirement. The FIA were wrong to give a punishment but should have called it a racing incedent.
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RazorsMcLarenMp23 1 year ago
@RazorsMcLarenMp23 The stupid thing was that Hamilton played it fair and let him back through, and since there was no rule about not then having another go at the next corner, then it was a load of rubbish from the stewards. A totally brainless decision.
zt2max 11 months ago
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RazorsMcLarenMp23 1 year ago
100% agree with the video
melchizedekful 1 year ago
at 0:44 - "kimi is clearly a whole cars length ahead..."
Lewis' right front is CLEARLY right next to kimi's left rear. so yes lewiscould just turn right and slot in behind kimi, but that would spin kimi off the track and take out lewis' front wing. the guy who made this video is a biased idiot who needs to learn that there is more than one talented driver on the track.
JelyIsCool 1 year ago
this video sucks really does
Daniel35100 1 year ago
hey mate show me also how kimi failed twice... on that lap
Arbanyy 1 year ago
One of the dirtiests manouvres I have ever witnessed in F1.
SHAME ON YOU FOR THAT, HAMILTON
arturcraft2 1 year ago
@arturcraft2
lol Hardly dirty, theres many more: schumacher monaco 2006, schumacher hill 1994, schumacher barichello was awful at the 2010 hungarian gp. Im not saying schumacher is bad, just that hamilton's move wasn't dirty.
Also, it didn't merit a penalty of that sort by any means. An appalling decision by the FIA
tomhoppo 1 year ago
@tomhoppo dont waste your words on trolls mate :) trolls always trolling around u know... had it been schumi, no penalty, had it been webber, he wouldnt cut the corner, he would just cut through kimi's car in half as he would not have enough room as always :) had it been alonso, radio: alonso u are faster than him, do you understand? :) and on and on... hamilton did it, they gave a penalty that did not exist up until a week later after this race, oh well, go on ma-FIA
mysticusa 1 year ago
Again the work of FIA= ferrari international asistance......
yoshi88mario 1 year ago
wow every moking him saying hes a shit driver clearley not he making his opinion (the guy making the vid) no need to say hes shit if he is "shit" you go get into f1 i bet ur fat sitting on ur comp all day just jelosey i think-george
Skiracer350 1 year ago
DIRY HAM on the same level as schumacher!
YklausK 1 year ago
You forget to mention how Raikkonen promptly went out to use vast amounts of tarmac run-off to gain an advantage over Hamilton before he crashed. He went unpunished and did the same thing in 2009, again going unpunished and winning the race.
Anyway, Lewis won the title he deserved and we are all smiling.
MrThreshold2009 1 year ago
@MrThreshold2009 Using the outside line is an advantage? Cutting chicane is not an advantage, but using the outside line because he is going wide is an advantage... Okay... Thumbs up...
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
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MrThreshold2009 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Yes, later on the lap of Hamilton's pass Raikkonen and Hamilton went off, the former blasted deep through the run off area and gained a very clear advantage. Like he did in '09 at the exit of La Source. I know as I was there watching him do it.
MrThreshold2009 1 year ago
@MrThreshold2009 Oh by the ways, I'm not saying he didn't deserve the title or anything. So don't go ranting about that. He won the title, so he deserved the title. Good for him.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh I know you're not saying he didn't deserve the title. Good grief, if you class that as a rant you have warped views. And just by winning the title it does not mean a driver deserves it.
MrThreshold2009 1 year ago
Also the guy who put the captions in this video is an idiot. There was never a point where Lewis had " a cars width" to back off and let Kimi by and why would he race over the rumblestrip trying to make a corner that Kimi has blocked him from? Also he never had enough slipstream to do anything with it, it was like .1 milliseconds he was behind him and at the end of the day theres no either or, since he wasnt going to make the corner in any way possible without contact.
jraybay 1 year ago 2
i'm a massive lewis fan i know that situation gave him an advantage but i think it wasn't anything more than a racing incident and to take the race win away from lewis even after kimi crashed was criminal
kenshinwarriorX 1 year ago
@kenshinwarriorX true, true.
look at what Renault did 2008, race fixing. why did they let Alonso get away with that after doing this to Lewis! its wrong and unfair. Ham won this race fair. no if any1 disagrees with it or not. they can not change the truth. Alonso cheats!
f1fana1 1 year ago
if kimi was faster then lewis he would have stayed ahead of lewis.
news flash people thats racing!
plus Kimi crashed, if lewis stayed behind him. lewis would have won due to kimi crashing! and please learn racing! or play the F1 game and you will know!
everything about that was unfair
if you dont believe a wing can cause a puncture look at Brazil 2009, when a Mclaren gave a Brawn a rear puncture with his front wing. which it could have happend 2 times if you think about it!
f1fana1 1 year ago
point 6 is wrong, if lewis kept his line they would have crashed. kimi would have got a rear puncture.
point 7 is wrong, you can clearly see lewis giving the place back. and he sling shot around him to re over take.
its perfectly leagal to use the slipstream in to a corner, its racing.
as in 1.05 you can clearly see Kimi ahead of lewis, plus out breaking some1 in to a turn is leagal. its called "late breaking"
and with lewis ahead, kimi could have given lewis a rear puncture.
f1fana1 1 year ago
lewis hamilton is a cheating little twat
clioman97 1 year ago
@clioman97 100% wrong, if he'd stayed where he was and stayed on the line they would have hit. Lewis gave the place back fair and square. no where in the rule book does it say "A driver has to wait 1 corner to try another over taking manoeuvre!"
fact Kimi would have crashed if lewis would have stayed in P2.
Fact Lewis is great in the wet (Siverstone 2008)
fact the F.I.A come down harder on Mclaren.
fiction Lewis cheated.
Fact if it had been ur favourite driver u would not call him a cheat!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 I been trying to say that! There is no either or here, he had no choice but to cut. It does say in the rules though that the other guy has to maintain first for atleast a corner. I believe that is what they changed in the rules two weeks later but obviously this happened two weeks before so the penalty sucks in the end... But if you look at it from the rules at the time Lewis did everything by the book He was better pilot that day its a shame.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay sorry, Ive got 2 copys of the F.I.A rule book, 1 from 2008 it does not say that. but the 2009 one does say it. when he was racing at spa it did not say it. Ham did do everything by the book.
Slip streamed kimi, legal.
out braked him, legal.
the facts are kimi would have crashed which would have given the win to him. if that would have went down, you lot would have nothing. now as hes proven not a cheat and every1s silence shows me that.
Alonso and the others have done worse then this
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Sigh...
Slip stream = Legal
Out Break = Legal
Cut Corner = Gaining Advantage
Cut Corner because no choice = Legal
Not giving back full advantage even after cutting chicane?
2nd of all, Kimi MAY not have crashed if Lewis remained 2nd, its your pure speculation that he might.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Point Silverstone 08, both Ferraris span in the wet, point 2 he gave the place back fair. if he didnt cut he would have given kimi a rear puncture, Ham did everything by the book. if you look at the car data he was slower then kimi as they both past the line, ham out breaked him thats leagal. before that race no where in the rule book did it say "give the full advantage back"
your all points are not vaild as Ferrari and cheated this year "team order."
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 I think you and Ham fans don't seem to understand that he had taken a big advantage, and not returning it seems fair.
Just might as well say, oh, he was about to collide with another driver on the 1st corner at Monza, so he had to take the exit road and came out just on the back of the driver who blocked him, use slipstream and overtake and outbreak on the next chicane when he wasnt even suppose to be that close in the 1st place..
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh @ChikaItoh Look at the facts! Look at the facts! I might be a Mclaren fan, I might be a lewis fan, but he did everything by the book. your argument is invalid.
point out in the rule book before this race where does it say "he has to wait 1 corner to re over take" and "give the full advantage back" you wont find it. the F.I.A dont like Mclaren, they come down hard on them. they let Ferrari get away with team orders, but DQed Mclaren for having Ferrari documents on a home pc!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Basically ur just saying that its fair to keep the full advantage taken by cutting the chicane as long as its by the book. Its thats the case, well done...
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh and your saying that the rule book is meaningless as Ferrari gets away with a clear team order! u cant point out in the rule book where it says "a driver has to give the full advantage back" its in the rule book after that but before that it WAS NOT! look at the car data, hes slower then kimi.
NEWS FLASH, Slip streaming is racing! OUT breaking is RACING! you Ferrari fans need to get a grip and learn things dont always go your way!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh your forgetting all the times Micheal and Ros Brawn have cheated! but yet no one says that its all "lewis did this, lewis did that" Its fucking boreing, find another driver to call a cheater. lewis is better then kimi/Alonso and others in the wet
look at Silverstone 08 when every1 span (Kimi, ALonso, Massa!) Lewis is great in the wet, simple as. GET OVER IT!
before you mouth off at any lewis fan, dont forget Ferrari HISTORY!!!!! yours is worse!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Sad... Firstly, I didn't mouth off about any Lewis fans. And now you're just bringing in the past. You say Lewis is great, but he does make really bad mistakes like getting beached in China at the pit entry and crashing into Kimi in the Pits when the light was Red. I dunno, but thats worse than spinning in the wet.
Sure, I didnt even argue about Slip Streaming and Out Breaking. I agree its part of racing. I just disagree with you that he should be able to keep the advantage taken.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh what part of he gave it back dont you understand! the rule clearly said give the place back, he did. you have nothing! you dont understand the sport! you fail.
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Yea I know Ive been trying to tell this guy that he did everything by the book here, based on the rules and when the f.i.a changed the rule it was obviously because of this incident and also so they could save their own asses. Just look at Michael schumacher at Hungary on pedro de la rosa and he didnt even get a penalty so I dont know whats wrong with the f.i.a sometimes...
jraybay 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Once again, i didnt say he did anything against the rules. Just the fact that he has gained an advantage and did not return it fully. He wasnt suppose to be that close to Kimi.
Sadly for you, I understand the sport, and you fail for supporting an un-sportmanship move.
Thats all..
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh but still you dont point out in the rule book where it says you have to fully give the advantage back!!! you cant as it only says GIVE the place back. HE did, he DID!! thats the rules granted after the race the rule changed but before this it never. PLUS it never said "a driver has to wait 1 corner to re over take!"
POINT out in the 2009 rule book before this where it says what you want it to say, if you can not shut up!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Sure, but I'm arguing about the fact that he gained an advantage over Kimi through that corner because of cutting the chicane. And the fact that he wouldn't be that close past the chicane. Because he shouldn't be that close, he wouldn't be able to overtake Kimi at that time.
Thats my point and argument.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh if he was alittle bit further behind Kimi, he would have still got past him. its called out breaking some1, read the other post and I bet u cant answer them. when you let others get away with it, and others get punished. hows it fair
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 What? Outbreaking someone if he was further away than that? Okay.... I highly doubt that when Kimi blocked him and wanted to leave him out to dry. The fact that he was that much closer just allowed him to outbreak Kimi. Then again, Lewis had the inside line because of that.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh how can you hit us over the head with the rule book but yet ignore the other rule breaks?
the facts still say Lewis would have won, due to kimi crashing. its meaningless, this was unfair on hamilton. if you think hes not good in the wet look at silverstone 08, when every1 span but lewis won it. his best ever wet race.
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 Kimi wouldnt have crashed if Hamilton wouldn't have skipped that corner, because there is a thing called physical positional, wich demostrates that a change in a movement in the past would change the incoming events, as long as they would not be following a rule, and in F1 you dont take a corner in the same way with a car on you, than with it 1 second behind.
So, Hamilton cheated and won.
Shisediego 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh You have no point though when you take the rules into account, if Hamilton does everything by the book *at the time* then why is he punished? The f.i.a changed the rules 2 weeks later to save themselves from embarrassment, I think that says everything that needs to be said. The rules didnt say "give him back the full length of the advantage" or to "wait one corner" but they do now because of this, so if something like this happens again then you will have a valid point.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
@puddingpants7 thank you puddingpants :-).
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 However, in my personal opinion, I agree if you say that the penalty is too harsh. But I disagree if you say he shouldn't be penalized...
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh ok ok, HOW can the F.I.A let others get away with it and punish Hamilton?
How can the F.I.A let Ferrari get away with a clear team order??? they even said sorry to Massa!
when the F.I.A learn to be fair on all no one will have a problem, but until then no chance this is unfair! the punishment is not fair as others got away with it.how can you expect a sport to be fair to all when others get away with rule breaks?
f1fana1 1 year ago
@puddingpants7 Sure thing. I understand your point. But I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from that Lewis did indeed gain a huge advantage from cutting that chicane, therefore he shouldn't be able to overtake Kimi by right.
Thats my stand. Do you agree on that?
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Mclaren told him to stay out at China with the chords showing on the tire if anything its mclarens fault. And apparently mclaren said he was looking at the wheel when he hit Kimi but I doubt that. the cars are actually going much faster than they look he couldnt stop after he realized the situation he was in. I am a big fan of Lewis He only knows how to go 110% all the time thats what seperates him from the rest. Kimi is a slob.
jraybay 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh and as far as I know, he was behind him. slip streaming some1 is legal. out breaking some1 is legal. look at the car data from both cars, LOOK AT IT!!!! you will see hes slower then kimi, its not Lewis fault if kimi dont have the bottle to go faster or out break lewis!
if it was your fav Driver you would side with him! dont say you would not cos you would. its always differnt when your saying it about who you like! and whom, you dislike!
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 as far as i know, he was suppose to be behind him but not that close to begin with. Therefore, he should not even have the slipstream advantage. And no duh, anyone who is overtaking the next person will indeed be faster, hence making ham slower. All ham need to do is full throttle again just as Kimi starts overtaking and get on his slipstream to get the car about the same speed and faster once again.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@f1fana1 fact lewis can't drive e.g china 2007 e.g germany 2007 he can't drive in wet!
clioman97 1 year ago
@clioman97
your saying this as if you can, or have driven an f1 car in the rain....you really have no position to be saying stuff like this....fact: you've never driven an f1 car, you have no right to talk shit about the pro's
JeeperZJ 1 year ago
@clioman97 100% wrong, if he'd stayed where he was and stayed on the line they would have hit. Lewis gave the place back fair and square. no where in the rule book does it say "A driver has to wait 1 corner to try another over taking manoeuvre!"
fact Kimi would have crashed if lewis would have stayed in P2.
Fact Lewis is great in the wet (Siverstone 2008)
fact the F.I.A come down harder on Mclaren.
fiction Lewis cheated.
Fact if it had been ur favourite driver u would not call him a cheat!
f1fana1 1 year ago
WHERES THE OTHER HALF OF THE VIDEO WHERE KIMI COMES BACK ON THE TRACK AND TRIES TO SERIOUSLY INJURE HAMILTON BY CRASHING HIS CAR INTO HIS?? OH WE WONT SHOW THAT WILL WE
steven4rmnewyork 1 year ago
whats the problem here you people break this sport down like its so fucking technical he got to close in the first corner gave him the lead now when it come to the next corner he wnats the lead back and you argue why?? why the fuck for a secod would hamilton let kimi in front for any reason whatso ever this is a race its not a sport. theres only 1 winner nobody remembers the second places finishes. fuck out of here fucking cry babies
steven4rmnewyork 1 year ago
I cant beleive that 149 people dislike this video... Clearly people dont understand racing. This explains why he DID deserve punishment. Bloody idiots
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
he dint get a punishment cause he dint get the advance since Raikonnen came infront agian *lol*
DhStyleZz 1 year ago
I dont see the advantage he gained? Lewis let him go so that means hes of the throttle where is the advantage? Kimi binned it anyway why are they stripping Lewis a of a victory that kimi threw away in the end.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay he did gain an advantage... :/ if Lewis didnt cut the through the corner, then he will be 0.3 seconds behind... not 0.05 seconds behind Kimi to get the slipstream and charge back in front... Thats my opinion.. :/
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Its easy for you to talk in hindsight. It also would have been easier if Kimi didnt merge over to force Lewis off too, wouldnt it? Give me a break. Like you actually sat there breaking down how close he was 0.3/0.5. 0.5 to 0.3 is irrelevant since he was in his slipstream for about a millisecond. The truth about slipstream is you need to be behind a car for more than one millisecond cause you dont get any adaantage from sitting behind him for such a little amount of time you noob :\ .
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay i didn't call anyone a noob or anything btws... just stating my opinion... but for Kimi to move over to block Lewis was a fair move btws... =.=
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Ya I know...we all know, its racing what Kimi did was ok. Its just having to wait on the fia two weeks later to take away Lewis' well deserved victory. Plus Kimi threw it away into the wall its silly. wtf is btws? Whats with all these random acronyms..
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay Yea... I was disappointed with Kimi for doing that... But then again they were both on slick tires on the rainy part of the track... Btw means by the ways.. Haha.. Sorry :P
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh What he did was ok its a block pass. No he didnt slide over into hamilton because of slick tires and a wet track he knew what he was doing. Ok
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay no no... i mean the part where they were both losing control and in the end, and when he crashed and gave away his race. not the blocking maneuver.. :)
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@jraybay Where you ask? Dude it is a fact or racing that if he didnt cut the chicane then out of the corner he would not of been as close in the first place bud.
Its not a what if... its a fact.. Every racing driver knows this.
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance No shit! its also a fact that he let Kimi Raikkonen pass him. right after, obviously off the throttle not gaining an advantage lol.
Do you know what irrelevant means?
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay HE WAS STILL closer than what he would of been. Dispite letting of the throttle. There for gaining the advantage
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance what do you mean would have been? He had no choice but to go across. I dont see how letting him go past you is gaining an advantage? Plus there wasnt even a rule saying that you had to let him maintain his position for one corner. It was made up two weeks after this incident so I still think its bullshit whatever you have to say.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay well its up to you what you belive... i love both drivers so im just telling you the facts
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance Obviously if he made the corner which he couldnt have he wouldnt be in front, I think you're trying to say. My point is that there isnt actually any advantage he has . His penalty was because he passed kimi again before they had gone through another corner. I understand now but I think thats bullshat and thats the fact actually.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay you asked where the advantage is... i just explained where it is... giving it back dont mean he didnt gain... he gave part part part of the advantage back... but not all of it
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance but theres no rule saying you have to let Kimi pull out a half a second lead or more. youre saying nonsense. The fia reviewed the rule and Lewis was penalized for basically not letting Raikkonen recover the lead. Lewis smoked Raikkonen under braking for the hairpin hes not at fault for that.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay Told you a million times where the advantage is... i not talking about rules... just explaining to you were it is... but it aint getting through to you so im done. Your obviously a hard core Hamilton fan not an f1 fan. c u later bud
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance Ya the advantage he gained by cutting the chicane and the advantage he gave back whats your point?
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay HE DIDN'T GIVE THE WHOLE ADVANTAGE BACK... Fucking wake up... The advantage was bigger than what he gave back. Do you understand that?
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance Do you not understand that NOWHERE in the rules does it say give back the ful llength/time of the advantage you gained?? you fucking wake up and shut your politically correct ass up.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay AHA... Finally we got somewhere... you understand he didnt give the whole advantage back... But to you he didnt gain anadvantage because its not in the rules to GIVE THE WHOLE advantage back... OMFG... Your seriously thick as shit.
But at least you admit you know now where the advantage was... now i can stop wasting time on you.
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance No youre thick you keep saying he didnt give the whole advantage back and you dont seem to understand that you dont have to give it all back according to the rules. But its cool you do you. You havent even brought up a point that makes sense to me because you dont seem to understand the rules and you keep neglecting them. I told you shut your poiltically correct ass up man .
jraybay 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance Bro how many times did the guy tell you he didnt let Kimi maintain his position? We clearly can see cutting a chicane is an advantage Lewis let him by again thats all he has to do, theres a difference between what you think is right and what the actual fia regulations are, it seems. If Kimi exited the hairpin in first, none of this would be happening right now, simple.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
@puddingpants7 Stay out of it because thats not the point im trying to make.... he asked where the advantage is.... he cut the chicane... he gave the position back... Good for Hami... (im a huge fan of both) HOWEVERRRR he did not give the whole the whole THE WHOLE advantage back. And thats where the advantage was.... we aint talking about the rule here... or ever what i think... im stating a fact and pointing out to him where the advantage was. OK i agree that the punishment was harsh as hell
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance Im just saying you both are basically saying the exact same thing only you dont look at it from the rules standpoint which is why you guys banter. The truth is youre both saying Hamilton didnt let Kimi maintain first place, bottom line the end.
puddingpants7 1 year ago
@SuperHardTrance I agree with you... Lets just say I'm 2 seconds the lead driver.. I start cutting the corners.. Eventually, I will catch up with the lead driver because I was cutting the corners... And during the last corner I cut, I accidentally overtook the lead driver... I give the lead back to him and instantly overtake him... Therefore, I didnt get an advantage?
Just a lousy example, but you get the idea right? :/
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh very well said... I just dont understand why people cant understand that
SuperHardTrance 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Chikal nobody cuts corners to catch up lol terrible...video game lol. Theres a reason why a pilot has to cut, they entered side by side Kimi blocked Lewis from the scond corner of the chicane. Lewis only mistake was letting Kimi by and passing him before they completed another corner. He never got slipstream or an advantage. Once again this rule wasnt even a rule until two weeks after this incident, thats what I dont get. I think it bullshat but Lewis still champ so watever.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay I'm just giving an example... And the argument isn't who is champion... The question is if Lewis gained an advantage. When Kimi blocked Lewis in the corner, would he be as close as he should be on the straight? The obvious answer is No. And the fact that he is so close after the corner, even when the position is given back, it is an Advantage.
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Obviously not,I tried to hint like lets MOVE ON hes champion anyway wtf. Its quite obvious that cutting the chicane when Kimi actually made it is an advantage but Lewis did everything by the book. He blatently gave the position back because he is the one calling the shots in a case like this. Nowhere in the rules does it say let Kimi go ahead half a second again and catch up. all he has to do is let him by. Lewis made the mistake of overtaking Kimi immediatly after I understand now
jraybay 1 year ago
@ChikaItoh Well I understand it now he never let Kimi maintain his position is what i've been saying but I see your point and I understand you too now . The fia reviewed this rule and tweaked it alittle two weeks later because they knew it was a stupid penalty and that sucks because they then, made it fit accordingly with this incident which I think sucks but thats the fia . Thanks enjoy Korea.
jraybay 1 year ago
@jraybay Aye.. I guess the only concern which made FIA review the rule was so that the whole advantage can be returned, and that this would not happen again... Enjoy Korea too! ^_^
ChikaItoh 1 year ago
Hmmm If you ask me hamilton did gain an advantage, but Kimi gained one right back when Hamilton took his foot of the petrol to let Kimi pass......what ever happens after that is up to the better driver to decide. Thats why Hamilton won the next corner.
FourStarKD 1 year ago
well if you ask me, this incident is IRRELEVANT, because for anyone who watched the race on that day saw, both of those to fall off the track practically everywhere on the curcuit! and if there was or was not an advantage which lewis gained, ( which i think he didnt) it all meant nothing because KIMI hit the wall towards the end of the race. so why should it matter what happend before!? I suppose its just the Stewards and the F.I.A (Ferrari. International.Assistance) working all over this race!
babybadbreed123 1 year ago
Stupid vid
joshuaschmdt 1 year ago