Renault Clio 197 CUP vs Mini Cooper S John Cooper works

[andrealove93]

clio the best

[dddddddgggggggggg]

Mini copper has gone rubbish because of BMW

[mrxbrightside]

@TheVtieg6 im afraid the clio 197 and cup have the same power. The new clio 200 has more power due to a slight ecu tweek and and exhaust work. the "cup" packs are purely handling related on both models

[asterisp]

whats the difference between the cup version clio and the Clior RS with the 200hp ? or is it the same thing? thanks.

[gionnidigei]

@asterisp It's a matter of setting. Cup chassis has harder suspension and a more direct steer than a stardard clio RS. In Italy it costs 600 euros but you can have it for free if you buy the clio RS light.

[TheVtieg6]

@asterisp

The Clio Cup has abit more power than the RS less weight and stiffer suspension.

[tinaomina]

Most people here don't even know how good a driver TIff is. if you sat in his car ur legs will probably turn into jello.

[dilawer321]

@tinaomina mostly they are american, they think that ken cock is the best driver in the world lmao you cant blame them can you? they dont realise Tiff sometimes even does the stigs job also lol

[Relix90]

tiff always brakes late :P he always ends up on the grass hahah

[ben10Topgear]

the Renault was rated 17/20 on the Top Gear Website

its bloody awesome

[manu24v6]

clio winers

[Myungsuperstarrockey]

that not the full JCW car! It's just a Mini Cooper S with the £2500 tuning kit!

[Lifeofriley18]

@Myungsuperstarrockey Yeah- unlike the previous R53 model, you can't tune the Cooper S up to full JCW soec as too muh is different e.g. turbo, gearbox and engine internals, brakes, suspension etc.

[MegaGiulio95]

Non penso che una Clio possa stare alla pari di una MINI JCW.

[joshuasteffen]

even if the mini didnt win this its potentially a much better car, check out the videos of the mini gp on the nurberg ring overtaking porshe gt3s and 911 turbos

[mawa6969]

@joshuasteffen Yeah. Or they were just boxters. Without the 5th and 6th cillinder option. With an old man driving. Half-blind.

Or it was just fake.

The mini may look cool and the jcw cool (I say cool because it's not really good) on a track, but it's no match for a clio rs cup (I mean, even the rear drivetrain does not have an auto-lock system). And moreover for any porsche better than a carrera S. Don't trust youtube on cars. Drive em, or read (not top gear, if possible)

[drocals]

clio rs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[Theyersinia]

I have the mini cooper S John Cooper works and it's pretty good. The interior is ugly, the gears have a stiff shift to them, the clutch is not racing and the driver position is not really fit for anyone but midgets. I say its good cuz the handling and overall performance is good.

[LMF5000]

@Theyersinia What's the difference between a racing clutch and a standard clutch (feel-wise)?

[Theyersinia]

@LMF5000 a racing clutch will cost more, but it will provide better grip on the flywheel,and much more holding power.it is also designed to take the abuse of racing better than a regular clutch will.a regular clutch is designed just for getting around with no major use.many times offroaders,and people that do long hauls with a regular truck will use a high performance clutch in place of a regular clutch, because of the higher performance,and its ability to shrug off the stress better

[LMF5000]

@Theyersinia Hey, thanks for replying, but I don't understand how you can have "better grip", because if the stock clutch already has enough grip to completely lock the flywheel to the friction plate, and keep them locked without slipping even with the engine at full throttle, how can you get a clutch that grips better than that? Won't the result be exactly the same (i.e. zero slippage with the clutch pedal completely released)?

[Theyersinia]

@LMF5000 I think you know more than me, my friend. I just know this much.

[drcheese42]

just admit tht the clio won, like jeez the minis interior is overdone it looks like shit the clio is better and french cars arent driven by chics anyway mini is cooler as its cheaper and better bitches

[ben10Topgear]

I've never seen Fifth Gear since Season 8 XD

[fsrballer2]

mini would have beat it if that guy knew how to drive it...

[drcheese42]

@fsrballer2 bitch........ minis are stupid the buttons are all in the wrong place and cornering isnt so good and crushed legs if u in the back

[esaedvik]

@fsrballer2 Yeah, Tiff is known for...umm...his driving skills. So yes, the Mini was just slow.

[bassagoal]

RENAULT RULEZ, MINI SUCKZ

[Chingonshushu]

Go kill yourself.... all about MINI allow you and your french car ahahahah

[IvonoftheGWF]

I think the only reason the Renault won was because the guy driving the Mini wasn't as good as a driver

Mini is a man car, French cars are girl cars.

[leeg131313]

tiff<plato

[MINICLUBMANDEPOT]

I hate the renault. Mini is better, evrytime ;)

[Airox2009]

But the Mini`s such a girls car.

[MINICLUBMANDEPOT]

No, ! The MINI is buyed from Guys in Germany to 66 % . That says all. The Clio is just boring whitout a good Look. So MINI = GO! :)

[Airox2009]

But what kind of guys?? I`ve seen so many male Mini drivers in pink polo shirts or whatsoever.

[MINICLUBMANDEPOT]

No, from normal, younger guys , and not just drivers who wear pink polo shirts. Maybe in Britain but not in Germany, ;)

[Airox2009]

@MINICLUBMANDEPOT

To be honest, I`m not the biggest fan of the normal Mini but I really like the Clubman version. I`d even drive a Clubman S :-)! I like the idea of a small car that looks like a panel van.

[MINICLUBMANDEPOT]

Yes, thats right :)

[AMVDawg]

@MINICLUBMANDEPOT isn't mini bought by BMW...

oh wait BMW is german

[Chingonshushu]

You clearly havnt driven a top notch MINI....

[jorgeperezdoguez]

mini cooper s is the best car in the world

[milesoneill]

Now go and try this with the real MINI Cooper S JCW. It would wipe the floor of that Clio!!

[phantomloita]

The French are always good at making face little things.

[Fatcap83]

mini cooper es un coche de niñas

[santclause1]

after owning a type R and an ST i thought i would go back to basics. so i bought a clio 200 cup. my first renaultsport. and it,s a proper drivers car. yes theres cars that are easier to drive faster but ATM there is only one car thats just as much fun but it,s 11k more[ FOCUS RS ]. the CUP really is LESS IS MORE. would highly recommend.

[slycooper33]

dumb...the guy with the mini was a horrible driver. The cup would not win with a real driver.

[gust0o]

Spot on - people will say VXR, RS, whatever; without having driven the half of them.

All "man's" cars - yeah right!

Not a single one of them come near the Mini for handling; they can't beat the Beemer build quality; and the insurance and fuel is loopy.

I got the Cooper S for a second car after the Beemer, and it's top stuff - sure, it gets slagged by everyone whose not driven one, but you sit behind the wheel and know better.

It's fun, just without all the posing bullshit.

[KJD123i]

gust0o it's Bimmer not Beemer, goes to show how much you know about what you are talking about.........................­.........not a lot, and yes I have driven one, when my girlfriend took one out to test drive one.

[gust0o]

Bimmer cars, Beemer bikes - only the anal retentive internet warrior would worry about the difference.

But you're wrong, I do know something - that you're a cunt.

Good to hear you're imaginery girlfriend took one out to test drive. Was it GT Prologue or Forza 3?

[KJD123i]

Very intelligent comment thank you, and thank you for the ambiguous and childish comment you left me personally on my account.

[gust0o]

No worries chief - I thought your original comment was so laced with wit and eloquence that it deserved such a considered response.

[KJD123i]

hahahaha, that's actually very funny gusto. It was a 2008 cooper s in answer to your question btw. Going to leave it a that I think you sharp witted Delinquent, even though I do think my comment lacked real eloquence, I was merely being factual.

[gust0o]

Delinquent doesn't remotely cover my sins, sadly :-)

I'm still happy with the Cooper S. It put out 38.9 combined MPG over Xmas, and I wasn't fancying the Bimmer (see, KJD, I'm trying) in the snow. Took some of the ball ache out of 1000 miles of slogging to family and back.

Performance Car had a nice little Clio on Clio article the over month - telling that the Clio 200 won out over the Cup. No extras and a suspension that's track-savvy but road poor tipped the balance.

[KJD123i]

Neither mine gusto lol..

If I was perfectly honest I was pleasantly surprised at the Cooper S in respect to handling and performance. I have a mk2 MR2 import which is absolutely mint for its age (1991). I have always had no problems playing with the Clios (sport, cup etc) but always had problems keeping up with the Cooper S even through the corners. The MR2 I have has 187.5 BHP and would never return an mpg figure of 38+!!

[gust0o]

Used to love the MR2. My old housemate had one, which was last seen in a ditch in Selby - gutting!

The Cooper S works well enough as a second car. Work puts some miles on, so I have a Bimmer 3 for motorway plodding; I think, if it had been the only thing on the drive, I might have been tempted for the whole JCW deal.

The 38+ was sick. We're back in town it's at 38.5, which is still sick - I haven't seen anything like since I once got handed a Micra diesel as a courtesy car.

[KJD123i]

Oh dear hope no one was hurt!!!The older models like mine are not renowned for being a safe car; no ABS or TC and the brakes are rubbish.Had to upgrade the brakes and getting ABS conversion in the spring you really need to be on your toes. Revision 3 onwards are quite a bit better but I like to tinker with mine, will hopefully have some vids this summer if its ready (finger crossed). Thinking bout supercharging it should make it a bit different from the rest but need to look in to chassis mods

[gust0o]

I couldn't tell you chief. John had sold it a few months before, so it was the new owner in the ditch. I rang him and said I'd seen it bent, and he was unsurprised - suspect he'd had it at the edge a few times.

Beautiful car, though.

Good job on the vids, deffo get them posted.

[samuelberman100]

Do you have cruise control on your MCS?

[topografer]

Renault Clio Cup with slick tyres is ready for track

[antonyr123]

@topografer why would u pay like 15+k when u could buy a 106 GTi with few mods thats faster ? Even tiff agreed.

[mada88]

mini's are a camp car

[luqamalta]

its more the driver than the car....

1 second...

[Rushdie04]

Only the best!  Renault Sport

[castization]

try mini cuper s works from 2003 or 2004 and we will se who is best ( fuck clio )

[bakednoodle]

im astonished, the mini costs so much but is in the end a poseurs car.

[itchysp]

uhm. ur supposed to let both of them drive both cars on each challenge to see wich car is better, this is just showing that the younger guy is a betterdriver with the renault

[gundamwarrior]

Mini Not able to beat the clios time? If the guy didn't drive into the grass so many times with the mini, he would have shaved off a good 3 - 4 seconds on his time.

[helloman8994]

what the takuto86 guy says it's true the clio has the best hot hatch chassis there

and i will take the clio if i need to take a choise between the 2 cars only if i work at a office i shut take the mini i think ...

[bliglum]

They are both damn fine cars!!! I wish we got the clio 197 here in the states.... unfortunately however, most Americans are nascar loving renecks that will only drive a big truck or suv. But I guess my mini will do!!

[chenzo717]

im from australia and test drove a 197 on the weekend! you are definately missing out mate!

[bliglum]

Don't rub it in!!! LOL

[thimble288]

it's funny, Mini did everything they could to make a cute little car, but somehow the Renault is the looker here

[ledermann7]

When it comes to handling the Renault sets the standards. When it comes to image and prestige, then go for the German mini.

[tsivitsiklis]

this is the mini jcw with 192 ps not with 211 but it is stil better car than the clio.....

[westbrom017]

Bang on! I have a 58plate Cooper S (completely standard) and nailed a Clio 197 Cup on some twisties last weekend.

[corkoniann]

surely you mean your sister/girlfriend has a cooper s. a man can't possibly openly admit to driving a mini. it's a bit like saying "all the blood has been drained from my body and replaced by bacardi breezer".

male hot hatch buyers go for focus rs'/st's, astra opc's, golf gti's/r's.

now give the mini back to your sister.

[SGSUPERMAN105]

I. A man. Openly Admit to owning a MINI Cooper. And i have to say, if you get the car going right, it gets your blood pumping hard because its a fun little car. And it gets 40mpg. cant beat that combo.

[Chingonshushu]

ahhhh pleaseeeeee shut your gob, what would you know swear down man... saying mini is not a propa hot hatch, go kill yourself loool

[ballsdeep1987]

mini cooper works...the supercharged version is the best!

[topografer]

ye i like it more than the turbocharged one

[theRealCal]

not just me who thinks this mush, you got to totally thrash 197 to get the best from it, granted its cheaper and i agree it is shit hot ive owned one but the jcw has it licked for power, style and surprisingly on the twisty shit, it been proven and plus the lux still looks wank inside!

[ravi1992]

the one driving the mini is a shit driver. lol.

[stumac1985]

Ex-professional racing driver and you think he is a shit driver....

[KJD123i]

Very true Tiff Needell is the better driver here; think people are looking for an excuse.

[theRealCal]

mini jcw all day long, 197 is too basic and has shite interior. mini has more power and better chassis. avoid run flats and mini jcw is hot hatch daddy

[zagatozgz]

better chassis?

you dont have any idea about cars.

[stumac1985]

If you dont want a basic one then you can have a 197 Lux which has better spec than a JCW MCS and still costs £3k less. Performance per pound NOTHING beats a 197 CUP.

[Takuto86]

lol mini has a better chasis the the 197 cup? keep dreaming

197 cup is the best chasis in a hot hatch out there

[theRealCal]

let me guess you have owned both and vigorously tested both, did you see this clip ? the cup is shit hot on a track but in the real world on real roads i dont thinkso

[rallymad2008]

the new mini and the old minis are just amazing great cars brilliant handling and the power in the new mini is mint, i have one and wouldnt change it for another car in its league!

[bikerdude96]

the mini is crap compared to the old mini but it wud piss on the renault any day

[magnersnice]

obviously not

[orville1960]

mini by miles, just tiff is crap

[marcpin4]

Shut up!! You wish to have half of his skills! The clio was made for a race track in mind with the Renault F1 team helping out whereas the mini is not bad but its not as focused as the clio. Dont say stupid things without knowing!!

[e32amgfinatic]

haha no aircon wow take the mini over it everyday

[turbo311]

I'd give anything to have that Clio Cup in the US!!!

[johnjackson12]

Id definatly have the clio over the mini! although even though that is the cup version its still a little too lardy for my liking so im sticking with my 172.

[Martel75069]

lol la bataille etait perdue d avance.

C'est incomparable.

[AROXOLTEZA]

Chewiedawookie is right. Clio has race tyres, and mini road tyres. You can see the difference to the suspension at the first test where the mini changes directions like a kart! Clio has a softer suspension, you can see how it leans when it turns

[stumac1985]

Clio has road tyres, also it has firmer suspension and is a much more precise chassis.

[Veee6]

Mini is for gays or girls.

Clio is def. the better track car.

[musliminshallah]

mini doesnt even have a diff, the old one does, but this 1 doesnt, n its not even on the options list

[jefflyall94]

yes it does

[musliminshallah]

7:39.. thats why he said his inside wheel was spining

[KJD123i]

all cars have a diff pal, if you didn't you would suffer from torque wind-up. And the diff is exactly why the inside wheel was spinning......................­..........

don't think you know what a diff is or does please look it up. Maybe you mean an LSD and I'm not torque-ing about drugs. Peace

[steevieweevie]

Clio 197, better engineered car. No need for whiney superchargers.

[oking17]

its the new mini so its turbocharged...

[chewiedawookie]

This test is a fake, because the Clio is on race tires and the mini on damn runflat. thats the only reason why the clio corners better.

and no,im not a fanboy ...

[stumac1985]

the clio is on continental sport contact 3 tyres which come as standard and are ROAD tyres

[e32amgfinatic]

and what really hurts the mini are its tires. which are run flat pirrelli euforia's very hard compound

[chewiedawookie]

nope dude, the clio is on toyo semi race tires. p2p this episode watch it in better quality and then come back again.

[stumac1985]

I OWN one a Renault Clio Cup and they are Continental Eco Contact 3 Tires.

[chewiedawookie]

omg, yes sure!!! your bloody car is at stock!!! im talking about this testvideo up here. i have a copy of it at home where u cn see those tires ive spoken from.

[stumac1985]

YAWN! Bored of this argument now. Mini is a fabulous car, but the Cup is more track orientated. End of story tbh. No special tires.

[chewiedawookie]

toyo r888 vs. pirelli euphoria

[blechriffel]

stumac1985 is right, my clio is also on Continental, but they are called contisportcontact 3 and the clio is really best. i tried several others bevfore i bought it.

[blechriffel]

and mine is the cup

[utubedude223333333]

i test drove this clio, amazing engine sound, getting one in few weeks time but not the cup version. Can't wait! look at 7:25 nice drift

[AFCAsh86]

As Ive sed many a times, a BMW!!!!!! mini, is a hairdressers car and is no way neer the car the ENGLISH mini was or still is now. All this proves again, BMW have failed with their lil maxi!

[PingusDB]

Clear winner...

[meilua77]

One more time fifth gear show us how impressiv is my little and sweety ClioIIIRS..

After Corsa OPC, Mini...who's the next...

Come on!!!

[fenderboy19]

new mini forever!!!!!!!!!!!

[hvb83]

Had the old Cooper S Works this week, as my 197 was at the bodyshop. I'm just glad I took the 197. The engine in the Cooper is great (at least the old compressor-aided one that's in the old Mini, I drove the turbo in the 207RC and found it had a more nervous character), but the steering is very heavy (though you don't get more feedback) as is the shifting. Under steer and torque steer too.

And in Holland the Cooper S with some extra's cost €7500 more than a regular full-options 197...

[MarkFoster1991]

thing is though is that the clio does 8 miles to the gallen when you are giving it some punishment so i would have the Seat Leon Cupra R (2002-2005)

[drumdone]

Where did you get that from? (8mpg)

Mine averaged 19.5mpg round the nurburgring two weeks ago. Hardly great but it's a lot more than 8!

[dantx2]

Agreed - I am actually going to the ring in 10 days! Round here though on the roads I haven't got under 24mpg yet, and I have been giving it some big time stick ;-)  The engine is just so addictive :D

[dantx2]

LCR is a fine cruiser, and when remapped, plenty fast, but a chuckable, nimble hot hatch like these two, it is not. Round a track like Cadwell the Clio would lap quicker than the Leon, as it has a lot of tricky corners.

[MarkFoster1991]

thing is though is that the clio does 8 miles to the gallen when you are giving it some punishment so i would have the Seat Leon Cupra R (2002-2005)

[DrakCorpInc]

the old mini would would win this race wothout a problem.

[griff18]

clio rules

[uneame]

The oldest name of Renault Sport is Alpine. Needless to say more.

[rubenvalente]

We can really see how superior the clio is, tiff had dificult in controling the mini, instead the clio looked allways in control, better, the clio driver did "drifting" in some curves, super.:)

Renaultsport all way.

[pho3nix]

to be fair though tiff did some terrible driving in comparrison to what he capable of.

[dantx2]

He did say no matter how many laps he did he couldn't beat the Clio - they just show the most 'exciting' laps on TV for entertainment value. The stop watch is just a prop too, the actual timing is done properly with the standard timing loop system at the circuits. You'd expect the Clio Cup to be faster on the track than the Mini though - it's more track focused where the Mini is much more of an all roader.

[chrisofthetube]

lol tiff always bad loser, me and freinds asked for his autograph affter a race that he lost, and he refused us :(

[superchargedturbo]

the mini doesn't has the brakes jcw and runs on rft

[kuettos]

Y va sin cinturon! por mucho pilotaje que se tenga, nunca se sabe.Un 0 a tiff :(

[BEEMERFAN79]

Haha, Tiff had a bad day. Still, Tiff is one hell of a driver.

[chrisofthetube]

.

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[Curtizw18]

Thanks for posting this so quickly!

[Veee6]

Yeahhh, Clio rulez !!!

The mini is only good for gays or girls

[koxxxtp12]

clio is for boy racers!

[chrisofthetube]

mini is for hairdressers!!

[koxxxtp12]

clio is for boy racers!

[henjo22]

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