The Movements - 1st Movement / KANCHA

[pierremagne]

Now, I have participated in the Work in the Danish Gurdjieff Society led by the London Gurdjieff Society for 35 years. In this time I have had occasion to take part in Movements classes many, many times. I know something about the effects these movements are supposed to have and do have. What you are demonstrating is nothing of the sort and most likely is not even proper martial arts either. There are really people who learned the work from Mr. Gurdjieff's own pupils teaching it today.

[JamesJTraitz]

@pierremagne your"re welcome to your opinion

[pierremagne]

The impression you give is that you are demonstrating one of the Gurdjieff 'Movements'. That is definitely not the case.

If you care so much about the Work, why don't you go learn at a genuine center?

You are teaching from a book. Why not simply recommend that people read it and leave it at that?

[JamesJTraitz]

@pierremagne My work is to speak to the realization that Universal truths and higher knowledge is multi-dimensional and has been 'given' via many teachings and sourcrs as diverse as: Gurdjieff,Castenada,Zen and quantum physics

[pierremagne]

This is NOT a Gurdjieff movement. This man is lying. You can find many links to demonstrations of the Sacred Dances.

[JamesJTraitz]

@pierremagne I never said that these ARE 'sacred dances' I have said that they are 'sacred' movements that achieve the same purpose and effect that Gurdjieff's do. Your self-important , internally considering , expression of negative emotion , in calling me a liar shows how disrespectful you are of Gurdjieff's teaching-like the followers of many enlightened teachers ,the 'disciples' often are rigid and indoctrinated and exhibit an arrogance of dogma that lessens the original teaching

[kurcofilius]

James, you have flat feet

[screens50]

Mr.Taritz aren't all katas in okinawan karate and japanese, a form of moving meditation? or even tai chi and qigong a form of that? What do you mean by 3 centers? is it body ,mind and spirit or super consious mind? TO reach enlightment don't you have to devlope your mental and physical energy as wellas your ki. it just dosen't happen over night.

[JamesJTraitz]

Yes to each thing you have said. Gurdjieff spoke of 3(5) Centers: the "moving"/ "instinctive" center , the "Emotional" center and the "intellectual" center.They correspond to the "carriage" ,the "horse" and the " cabbie" Each man need endeavor to 'return' the "Master" ( or "passenger")! to 'instruct' the driver of His "aim' or "Wish" Also corresponding to : the 'way of the fakir'(body). the 'way of the monk'(emotions) and the 'way of the yogi'(mind).

[RichBeater]

Great movements. Weve actually used similar movements here in Iraq against the enemy.

[Jaysnipes]

I truly appreciate your time and great Gurdijieff series.

[JamesJTraitz]

thanks

[Jaysnipes]

Do the 3 centers represent the parts of us that hold us back from enlightenment and from practice we can resist them? Is it possible you can make a video that steps this out and are there certain types of martail art schools I can go to that teach these moving meditations? Sorry for all these questions I'm just curious. Where did you even began to learn this stuff and where do you practice it? xD

[JamesJTraitz]

The failure to operate properly in the 3 centers is what holds us back

[OpenMind00]

The inability to attain the 3rd level of Consciousness is what holds us back. Without self remembering you cannot be or do anything, you are just a Machine or Automaton and without level 3 you cannot obtain the fourth level which is Objective Consciousness. Jesus said this as well but no one can see it because they are asleep. He said it over and over. Wake, Sleep not, Watch, Know Thyself. Per Gurdjieff the Church has completely destroyed the original message and teachings of Jesus.

[OpenMind00]

The best thing for U to do is Read Gurdjieff Material.

In Search of the Miraculous

Meeting of Miraculous Men

Life is real only then when I am

Views from the Real World

The Fourth Way

After reading the material, U will have a huge insight into the teachings and as you read along you will know whether or not you want to continue learning.

Considering that you seem very interested I think you will be stimulated on many topics and then if u choose to go further, find a Gurdjieff Group near you.

[ZenOfTheStorm]

These would be much better if you would slow it down and go through it step by step with people.