is the USA broke? ObamaCare Obama Care and Ayn Rand

[10toria19]

We the people deserve the same healthcare as our leaders and fellow nations around the world.

We can't continue to have such a deplorable live baby birth rate nor poor care of our elderly.

[stringlov]

The People Need The Same, Health Care, As Paul Ryan.......

[stringlov]

The People Need The Same, Health Care, As The People Thay Elect.......

[Easyandy100]

The USA is indeed broken and has been for some time. It has nothing to do with Obama. He is using a plaster to try and fix a shot gun wound...

[salian66]

introduce a free healthcare for everone in the usa,don,t listen to the insurance companies they,ve got a lot to lose,in uk we have nhs free,set up after ww2 when the country was nearly bankrupt!60+ yrs later going strong if those toyy scum(republicans) had their way we would be like you !can,t afford insurance tough .so come on america start looking after your people,young,old,rich or poor...don,t let the big money men win,people power you are america not those parasites......

[crogsvien]

don't cry all great nations die eventually

[hardcorenyc]

Blahhhhhhhhh!

[Sonofthebeach009]

This so called "Health Care Crisis" is actually manufactured. The government restricts the number of medical colleges they will certify and the colleges only select a set number of students. Many procedures that can be performed by nurses are required to be performed by doctors. Setting a broken bone for example. So with only a small supply of doctors and a large demand for their services, they can pretty much set whatever price they want.

[HarvardBoxer]

"Obamacare" cost a lot of money, but all your 346534 wars overseas also cost a lot of money.

I am actually glad that you yankees are broke.

[flipgood89]

@HarvardBoxer ...yep. And in addition, these conservatives have no problem with the poor and people of color going off to die in wars to promote their freedom. They can make the ultimate sacrifice, no problem. But sacrifice a few dollars so that all Americans can receive health care? They whine endlessly. Pathetic

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 What the heck are you talking about? The explosive increase in risk due to poor American health is the primary reason for increasing costs. Obamacare simply makes insurance even more difficult to get and more expensive by forcing the healthy and responsible to subsidize the costs of America's unhealthy, irresponsible majority. The cost of obesity alone is enough to cover the uninsured FOUR times over, so your blame-the-other mentality is hardly valid.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib the public option wouldnt be a money grab for insurance companies, but we all know the american climate would not allow for such a thing as to make sure that all Americans have access to health care. Instead of a civilized debate, we play to the extremes and thus we were able to barely squeeze a watered down bill into legislation. Its my hope that the bill can be improved upon so that all American children can have access to adequate health care.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 What the hell are you talking about? The explosive increase in risk is the primary driver of increasing health costs. I highly doubt that by forcing the public to assume liability for that inequitable, enormous increase in risk, that that risk will simply defray itself, and the public option would be as efficient or as affordable as you claim. All that's going to happen after Obamacare is HC will swallow more and more of our economy, on the backs of the healthy and responsible.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ....im just so thankful that American soldiers arent as selfish as you guys. They dont whine about having to go off and die for people that are too cowardly to fight. they dont talk about having to shoulder the load for the rich and elite to prance around unharmed. One can look at the military as an institution of socialism for Americans who cant or wont fight. But what do these soldiers come back to after giving their all? A country that whines about healthcare for all.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 Again, how does this at all relate to you defending your views? Oh right, it doesn't.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib you say "on the backs of the healthy and responsible". Well, responsible is a non-sequitur, but deploying healthy is an interesting strategy. Oh yeah, they're unhealthy because of a lack of access to health care. American's reflex of selfishness is curious if one stops to think. A healthier nation, especially in the areas of mental health, benefits us all. Perhaps we can prevent more "Tuscon tragedies" if we have more access to health care as opposed to guns...

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 Oh look honey, another self-loathing moron. Actually, personal health is completely independent of systemic factors, so you're argument doesn't follow. In fact, you're argument toward justifying the fleecing of the healthy is exactly what industry actuaries want you to believe, because mandates, fines, and gerrymandered buying guidelines enhance their revenues handsomely. Like all democrats, you've been turned a shill for the very interests you criticize.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ....what is all this "fleecing of the healthy", bs? Dont you mean prying an essential need of health out of the hands of the elite and privileged? Dont you mean trying to reverse the fact that we pump out of chest about the virtues and power of this country, yet we rank 37th in the world in health care? Funny how conservatives want to break down the minutia of the pecuniary interests when talking about health care. But wars?? Lets go. Give me a break with your bullshit.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ...funny how Im "self loathing". All you see is this woe-is-me-bullshit from conservatives over the fact that all American children should receive health care. Trust. God is judging you.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 God?  Whose god? Your God? And no, I'm not conservative. So quit acting like using such terms perjoratively in any way justifies your views.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib well then scratch God and lets talk about my other points.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 For "God" sakes, you have yet to make one.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ...expected that. Once you run out of talking points, you're exposed. Good day, friend!

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 Complex words, logical arguments, and empirical evidence--that's talking points? I'm equally as skeptical of the right as the left, in that they both favor entrenching corporate control over HC consumers. You still haven't answered just what the role of risk plays in the American system, no doubt because of the overbearing statistical likelihood that you're another fat, addicted, key-slapping hypocrite who hasn't seen sunlight or a pair of running shoes since your highschool days.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ....project much? try active, masters student in san diego california.....obesity, and other ailments born out of poor habits, can only be helped with health care for all! I do drink a lot tho. If you lived out here and could access PB and the downtown scene, yo' ass would know your way around a bottle, too!

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 So you're counterarguing my point about ubiquitous lack of health in America by telling me you drink often and to excess? And how does obesity have anything to do with care? Personal choices and systemic factors are completely independent variables. I'd expect more from a masters student... but then again, maybe not in Cali. You're basically stealing lower tuition rates from younger students who subsidize your own, though theirs will soon rise astronomically.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ubiquitous lack of health??? And yeah, I like to go out and have a good time on the weekends. Sounds like thats something you're in desperate need of, you uptight moron. I was exaggerating about the drinking just to lighten the mood, but you're obviously hopeless. how can health care help with obesity? Is that a serious question?? Can a doctor help somebody provide better health choices and explain the consequences of poor ones? Ur not as smart as u think..stealing tuition?

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 You're only making my point, dude. You sound like an enormous hypocrite, and aside from that you seem to be another liberal denialist of the reality of American health (risk) and the explosive effect that it has had on costs. The only thing you're suggesting is that you don't mind being a burden to the socialist systems you support, despite that you would yourself be the most sufficient counterargument to the efficacy or equity of such policies.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ...come to think of it, I can see why you're so against healthcare. Ur the anti-healthcare target audience.  You seem to have no social skills or sense of sense of peer-to-peer commonality with your fellow Americans. Probably some over-privileged shut in. Health care isnt a human issue to you. Its regression analysis and statistical spreadsheets. We're all just irresponsible moochers trying to steal from the arrogant elite...er, healthy class of Americans. Got ya!

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 So you would then define "commonality" (it's called civic duty) with my peers as being a good fifty pounds overweight, smoking, drinking, and shoving the occasional bottle of prescription drugs down one's gullet? Because that's the ideal standard of health that you AND the industry support.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ....no, I mean commonality, thank you very much. No need for you to speak for me. I know you recoil at the idea of finding commonness between you and us undesirables. I apologize for disturbing you elites....Good day, me lord.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 Yep, I'm a 20k/yr "elite" with only periodic health coverage due to my educational aspirations and the frictional unemployment it causes. Shit dude, even I understand that the reason for my rising cost of living and HC costs has nothing to do with corporate conspiracies, but because of other's personal irresponsibility. don't disagree with me, disagree with the facts. If this country had any sense of social contract, they'd lose some fucking weight and quit blaming the other.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ...we can agree to disagree. I wish you'd look at this issue from a humanistic lens.

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 Actually, a moral lens clearly implicates that the primary obstacle to needed care for those who can't afford it is the irresponsibility of those who pollute insurance pools with undue risk. Once again, you're contradicting yourself. Reality beckons my friend, take it or leave it.

[flipgood89]

@thereinliestherib ....how can you position your argument in such a way? Why are responsible individuals who cant afford health care, punished for those who supposedly arent responsible? And wouldnt health care help in that regard? Thats like saying....well, we shouldnt have military protection because we have criminals walking free who dont deserve protection...

[thereinliestherib]

@flipgood89 You're trying to use my argument against itself, a contradiction. The fact that the system is so overburdened and polluted with the irresponsibility of others is exactly why so many people can't afford insurance. It's tantamount to a system of car insurance not judged on personal risk, covering as many people as possible, just as irresponsible driving skyrockets. Such a system would be completely unsustainable and contrary to its own ends; just like US health care.

[myrtlrocker06]

i got a reply that said would i rather be screwed by the isurance companies or screwed by the government on health care and i say neither we wouldnt have a choice if obama care is passed,,, if we keep it the way it is i have a choice to not have it. That doesnt mean when i go to the hospital and im dieing they wont help me. ive been before and they treated me. the bill was crazy but i paid it. Health care cant be free but there needs to be something done about the cost.

[MrD5147]

Hello All,

What we speak of here with our Pros and Cons for the Health Care may not be possible soon, if the Cyber Security Act of 2009 is passed into law. This Act and the accompanying Legislation gives the president the ability to monitor, censor and shut down the internet without any checks and balances, very scary. To think that America will soon be as oppressive as China. This I do not view favorably how about you. Maybe we should spread the word. Best Regards, MrD =)

[eap8317]

for those in doubt just watch Michael Moore's documentary "SICKO" where you can see the truth about so called "socialist" medical systems in countries like the UK, France and Canada.....ask people in the UK or Canada instead of believing someone that problaby haven't even travel away from the US in his life!!

[Republican4U2Envy]

Lmao!!!!  Michael Moore?!?!? Seriously? Who takes that man seriously? Nobody. Not democrats, independents, republicans, my dog, anybody. He's an absolute joke. Only fools buy into his bullshit. He says one thing then says another. I don't have to ask anyone anything. I look at statistics. Your system is by far one of the worst. I'd trust my life in Canada before the UK. Your healthcare numbers suck ass.

[eap8317]

I've seen most of Michael Moore's films and interviews and he is very constant in his premises..he tackles different issues in his films, maybe you have not watched them properly and with an open mind to really understand what he is trying to say. In "Sicko" some americans (some helped as volunteers in the 9/11) where given free treatment in Cuba, when in the US they where treated like shit; and you think that is how the US should treat it's citizens?..

[Republican4U2Envy]

Again, Michael Moore is an idiot. I'm not responding to anything you say about him or his movies because he isn't a reliable source of information. I've given you real facts, not lies like you've given me. Especially your bs about doctors in the uk making 200 k a year on average. Proved you a liar by 160 k.

[eap8317]

unfortunately, uneducated and uninformed people cannot diferenciate between socialism and the devil because that is what they've been told by the government for more than 50 years...in the UK you can choose your doctor, you are refered to specialist, you are treated and have surgical proceedures when they are needed, you only pay for each prescription 12 dolars (no matter the amount of drugs prescribed), general practicians earn in average &200k a year, and I don't pay anything for it!

[Republican4U2Envy]

In the UK, your cancer survival rates are so low, you are compared to third world countries. You have absolutely nothing to brag about. Your system is bankrupt and flawed even worse than Canada's system. You might pay $12, but that's the reason it's bankrupt, fool! You have a shortage of doctors compared to the number of people who live there. Please, show me the site where it shows on average general practicians make 200 k a year. I don't believe it. Taxes is how you pay for it.

[eap8317]

the study your refering to is for patients diagnosed between 1990-1994 in different countries. Yes, in that study says that the US, Canada and France cancer patients have better chances of survival than in the UK. The difference is that study only shows people that have access to treatment in the US; if you add the other 30 million the figures might change a bit!! Your point doesn't affect the issue, in the UK and Canada EVERYONE has access to medical attention, in the US not!

[Republican4U2Envy]

No, the study I'm talking about is recent, not from the 90s. Even now, we beat you bad in every cancer category possible in cancer survival rates. In the US, EVERYONE has access to healthcare. Can you read? I've already told you this three times now. If you don't have insurance, you walk into the hospital and fill out a form. If you make less than like 25,000 a year, it is 100% free. If you make over that, you get a large discount. Again, do your research.

[eap8317]

I never said that the study was from the 90's!! It was from 2008 but the data was about patients diagnosed between 1990-1994..I'd have to assume that republicans can't read properly!! You say that everyone in the US has access to medical care, yes!! but 30million have to pay a huge bill at the end of the treatment...and that is not "free for all"...why you try to twist everything to justify your corrupt medical system? btw..the medical attention might be free if you earn less but the drugs not!!

[Republican4U2Envy]

Again, you are wrong. Out of 30 million uninsured, many can afford insurance but choose not to buy it. Again, of of the 30 million a large number are poor enough to be on medicaide but have no applied. That reallly only leaves 6-7% we need to worry about. Even then, I've already told you they will get a huge discount on medical bills. Drugs not? Antibiotics are free at some pharmacies and many prescriptions only $4. Sounds like you are the one not able to read. Look how far off your "facts" are.

[choquitoflojo]

You cannot single out bad tax policy as the only thing that leads to the fall of empires, especially when you compare Babylon, China, Japan, Rome, Dutch, Sparta whose historical contexts differ greatly.

Not to mention, about 1/3 of all our tax dollars goes to military defense. Let's talk about that being bad policy. One reason why empires fall is because they are EMPIRES, they rule and fight in regions far away where they spend money on war instead of domestic welfare.

[AZ264GJ]

what an idiot. you dont get what wealth is. it's the stuff people produce. If you are ill you aren't producing nothing but shit.

[zestymike48]

We are broke?!! Duh...if the government is 9 TRILLION dollars in the RED I would think that it was more than just broke. Time to steal from the rich and not give it to the poor. Robin Hood except with a twist!

[dannnynieves]

watch?v=uqd9XIeCK2c

[yammyspeed13]

If I wanted U.S. funded government heath care I would move to Israel.

[dannnynieves]

watch?v=WpYqpOG7NJg

[mustang607]

Short term gain for long term pains.

Who is John Galt?

[Vorpalbite]

ObamaCare will leave far more ppl with out coverage than there are today

ObamaCare is a government program, there will be rules

What is ObamaCare going to do to fat ppl / cigarette or pot smokers ?????

Disaqualify them, thats what !

ObamaCare is a form of control

[Republican4U2Envy]

Great point. Look at the UK. They are now limiting cigarette sales and tanning bed use.

[eap8317]

I live in the UK; there is no such thing as "limiting" anything..don't buy all that "socialist is bad" propaganda that republicans are trying to impose...health should be a right, not a priviledge! And there should be no debate on that..how 250million people accept that the other 50million don't deserve medical attention just because they cannot afford it? that is sick! By the way, anyone that tells you this stories of socialist medical care in other countries just ask them..have u lived there?

[Republican4U2Envy]

We have government healthcare programs now that limit. You apparently don't know what you are talking about. There aren't 50 million people without insurance, more like 30 million. And guess what, with the healthcare bill being proposed right now, just as many will be uninsured. Who doesn't deserve medical attention? It is illegal in the United States to deny people care if they go into the hospital. I know many people in Canada that agree their healthcare is horribly flawed.

[eap8317]

so you think that 30million people is a reasonable number to be denied medical attention...hmmm..very thoughtful! In the UK even tourist have access and at the end of the treatment there is no bill to pay...in the UK we treat people as human beings not as another profitable product....

[Republican4U2Envy]

I've already told you that even if we had the government option, there would STILL be 30 million uninsured. either way, not everyone is going to have insurance. Haven't you reasearched anything? Here in the United States, we also treat people as human beings. If we didn't, people couldn't just walk in to the hospital and receive free care.

[myrtlrocker06]

I think we need to allow more competition for these insurance companies to get the prices lower but not allow the government to controll any kind of market like this

[myrtlrocker06]

Its not fair for the insurance companies to screw people over and its not fair for the government to control any kind of buisness market,,,, cause lets face it everybody needs a break right now,,, everybody needs help but not by the government controlling a market,,, thats like the government taking your tax money and opening any kind of buisness to crush competition!

[bojestss]

Would you prefer to be "screwed" by insurance premiums and get care, or "screwed" in taxes and get rationed care?

[myrtlrocker06]

and on top of that how is any insurance company that has to pay taxes and has to make a profit supposted to compete with a government ran healthcare buisness???? the government healthcare buisness does not pay taxes,,, will not have to worry about profits because its coming from our taxes! Its not even about the health of the people i think ,,, i think its about money that our government needs to get us out of this hole!

[myrtlrocker06]

This isnt about bush,,, this isnt about politics,, this is about the government taking controll of your health!!!! I think there are way more important issues at hand like the war in afganistan that president obama is pushing for when he told the people that he would bring troops home,,, or that this bill is 1,000 pages long and no normal american can understand,,,

[Tilbily]

Firms with Obama ties profit from health push

By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer Sharon Theimer, Associated Press Writer 18 mins ago

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's push for a national health care overhaul is providing a financial windfall in the election offseason to Democratic consulting firms that are closely connected to the president and two top advisers.

[calamagrostis88]

They say we can't fund it but in places like Germany they spend half as much and have better results, and when I say better results I don't mean that some people get top of the line while while other die like we have here in the U.S. And Obama is only slightly to the left of Bush, people who think that he is going to turn us communist need to get back on their medications.

[redryan5048]

Thank God i dont live there the USA is a vile place...............

[justanotherturtle]

see it on tv once, did ya?

[redryan5048]

I lived there for three and a half years, i also study.That's the problem, Americans believe everything their told on TV its always been that way. Americans are afraid of books. TV TV TV TV TV TV stop with the TV its not real!!!

[justanotherturtle]

what an idiot. you're obviously very proud of having read a book. congratulations to you, you are now an intellectual, and are approved to comment on youtube.

[totubeornot]

So, did Jim Puplava have a similar discussion when our former President lead the total waste of our tax dollars and the murder of thousands of Innocent people including our own soldiers on a war that was founded on lies and mis-information?

[Strettger]

Misinformation is on both sides. They know Saddam used to have WMDs.... because the USA, UK, Japan France and Germany still had the receipts. In 1998, UN weapons inspectors destroyed a large WMD stockpile.

Problem is - they got all of them in 1998, the US just thought he was lieing.

[xwarnomore58x]

None of the biological or chemical weapons had a shelf life of over 2 years. They were useless by the time we invaded Iraq.

[Strettger]

Exactly my point, he at one point had WMD's, and this was held up as the reason for him to have them then.

Disgusting use of smoke and mirrors, half truths ect.

[TadRapidly]

Nice to know that our tax dollars are funding the very military that will be used to destroy us. TAX REVOLT NOW!!!!

[animateclay]

What we need is flat-rate no-limit primary care, it doesn't involve the government or insurance and everyone will agree on it. Just google it.

It's the best solution where the doctors and patients alone are in charge to make the right decisions without insurance OR government interference.

[Mathannix]

Our government for no reason? LOL

Schiff for Senate!

[dangolingo]

Cut 100 of the 1000 Us military bases that are policing the world, then give Medicare Advantage plan for everyone.

[truthandcommoncents]

That's real smart. You think our enemies would let us enjoy your dreamland utopia? Learn from history - there are nations and people that HATE YOU. They want to see your dead corpse in the street. Then you wouldn't be concerned about health care since you would be dead. WAKE UP! I know you don't understand it or even like it, but it is true. Check your history book.

[Cjmdgk]

glad to live in canada

[truthandcommoncents]

move...the USA is still a free country...for now at least.

[fishingthewatershed]

marcchabotyt, Thanks for taking the time to post all of these great videos, it is much appreciated.

[tmo7759]

I don't need no government-run single payer system messing with my Medicare. Us Seniors like Medicare and don't any federal government involvment in a health insurance program that works great!

Thank God for Medicare! Down with Federal Health Care!