League of Legends - Jungle Skarner

[oOsuBBaOo]

i dont think its total fail but i like another build much more :)

[gb52g4s]

i dont get why do retards talk like experts in the comments, and the things they are saying are a TOTAL fail

[xXxMicrosoftSamxXx]

wtf is this, runescape music? xD

[kao7real]

First ranked game of Season 2 preseason was jungle Skarner. 10-0-4, PENTAKILL!

Udyr was banned so I used my Udyr setup on Skarner instead. I was using AS red, Armor yellow, MR blue, and MS quints. 1/13/16 Mastery. Standard Blue, Wolves, Wraiths, Red, Golem. Buy boots and gank. MS is essential. I feel like Skarner doesn't need Wriggles or even Madred. What I do is finish my boots, and rush Sheen and Zeal. It keeps your mana manageable, and it keeps you ahead in speed. It's SO important on him.

[iamlegendbvro]

im able to gank at min 4:20 if all goes right. armor pen marks and quints manaregen/lvl slea and gliph 9/0/21 smite flash 1) start with Q at bluebuff, get 150-200 dmg leash 2) ding, skill E 3) go wolves, ding 3 at wraiths. skill Q 4) wait for 420 hp to start on redbuff. 5) go to small golems pwn. win. gank 5 pots and cloth armor :) gl

[desorienter]

ok i just got back from playing my first 2 games as jungle skarner, first was pretty good 8/7 (not bad) we won

SECOND GAME oh wow

i ganked bot lane and got a kill, ganked mid lane straight away, our annie got the kill, then ganked top STRAIGHT away, killed jax, then got the tower to about 150hp, i was level 6 and it was 5 mins in, their yi came along (lvl4) trying to defend the tower then he died. then 2 of them afked and we won the game in 14 mins......so far skarner is pretty good lol

[desorienter]

hey,in a custom game i cleared the jungle by 3:49 without a leash (was low at blue)

i went to the small golems after wraiths, then to red, i was about half hp which i guess was suitable enough for ganks, im gonna see how i do in a normal game with leash

runes

AP quints

AP glyphs

arm pen reds

arm yellows

i went 21/0/9 masteries getting offensive masteries and sunder didnt get lethality

skill order was EQE then got W to gank with after lizard

try it out and tell me what you think please

[ILikeCrunchyWater]

@needo2new because his damage scales so well with items that his base damage can't be buffed, imo. But that is the exact opposite of the makings of a good jungler.

[kertii1]

With ap runes it works better try it...

[Elementroar]

I've been doing the sustained route using the vamp scepter and levelling W first. He's really quite beefy doing that route.

But slow as fuck though.

[kruiyl]

youtube.com/watch?v=J0TvKnCpxX­c

[DJLurkerHC]

Just tried two games with him, man I'm surprised how good of a jungler he is!

[OoBloodyHunteroO]

@stonewall008 You should try to focus skarners e-spell as the last one, maybe skill it one time at level 4 i always focus on maxing r > q > w > e. Skarners ganking-ability and jungling do look fine to me :/ i still don't get what everyone is complaining about jungle skarner.

[mandraxhair]

@OoBloodyHunteroO E gives better sustain than shield and also gives damage. Means better jungle.

[OoBloodyHunteroO]

@mandraxhair Yes but focusing on the other spells improves Skarners ganking potential. I tried it a few times and i don't think its that hard without E.

[Northwindless]

@OoBloodyHunteroO Not Skilling E makes you slower in the jungle, that makes you uneffective in ganking, because you lost time

[Grushdevah]

so i just tried the regrowth pendant wolf/wraith/golems philo stone blue/wolf/wraith/golems/lizrar­d path that i use for pheonix udyr with skarner and it worked beautifully, i used all AD marks and quints, idk if i could pull it off with the 10% attack speed but it might work that way too. i finished at level 5 at 5:30ish, only had about 20% hp after lizard so i went back for boots like i usually have to with skarner anyway

[greenpaintingtable]

i think if skarner had some more mana regen he would be much better.

[darksoulz95]

Thats some pretty epic mana costs

[Garudaism]

That's a pretty weak leash imo

[stonewall008]

@Garudaism stronger than most people give

[Garudaism]

@stonewall008 That's why I never queue without a bro.

[megaflaminghobo]

I'm new to this game and sorry if this is a dumb question but how do we know where to put our masteries at with the 1/13/16? i mean the exact area where the points go point for point

[TheLouhisss]

@megaflaminghobo stonewall has own video for runes and masteries check his channel

[PitLetsPlays]

How come you say the Q does not do bonus magic damage, when it shows 2 instances of doing damage after the 1st Q. I also tested it on customs and it seemed to work just fine.

[rssucksbawels]

i dont find skarner to be a good jungler, cuz ur always at low health and if u get cought up in the jungle ull die as simple as that.

[unvexis]

So, if you start at blue with a leash and cloth+5hp with the recommended runes and masteries, then you blow through all five potions, run out of mana repeatedly, have a slow clear, and end the route with less than half health.

Wow. Skarner is an amazing jungler...

[DarkTechnomancer]

Maybe I am just insane, but it looks to me like the magic damage is working just fine. In this video the first attack+crystal slash shows two damage procs on the large golem (resolution is to small to make out the numbers), subsequent instances seem to have 3 (one for the attack, two for crystal slash). Doesn't this mean it's working just fine? Or am I missing something?

[crazyazn2o]

If u go 21-0-9 masterys i think i can do the whole thing without a leash

[Scats64]

Stonewall u gotta remake jungle skarner when the fix the bug.

because

[freakymoejoe2]

wow that leash made a huuuuuge impact

[Necromankas]

What's Skarner's gank potentials? 

[freakymoejoe2]

@Necromankas an unending slow for one, and after level 6...

[PQVidya]

Man, the latest bunch of champions is just terrible.

None of them made any sort of meaningful impact on the metagame.

[superjizm]

@stonewall I don't get why you don't go with the set up I posted in your last skarner jungle video. I exit blue with 380-400hp and my jungle (appears to be) faster than that video's with higher HP.

TBH I think one of your problems is that you get E and it sucks atm. The heal isn't worth it you might as well just burst your way through the jungle because you end up taking less damage.

[rawrjeevz]

Stonewall i miss your beautiful voice, you should do a voice commentary with all your vids and let us know your professional opinion on him/her/it

[liljunior4life]

can yu do a noc jungle

[pautpy]

@stonewall008 Stonewall, could you do a Kayle jungle guide?

[TheBlurSense]

The tags are so true. He seems to be crap in the jungle. And he doesn't offer any good ganking tools. The ult range is simply too short...

[devinechin]

If not lvl 30 you CANNOT star blue, leash or not. Believe me, ive tried multiple times

[unvexis]

Just FYI, Guinsoo recently suggested that the Q "bug" is actually intended.

[poopdeloop11]

what would you rate him as a jungler?

[Kingbahamut7]

@poopdeloop11 stonewall stated in a thread in the LoL forums he would put him as tier 4.

[TooMuchDesignz]

I've found getting Skarner's W ability is a lot easier to jungle with since you have a small shield and AS increase. And if your going for a tanky dps build having your W level a little helps for ganks that way you'll have more move speed and AS :)

[naoopwn]

would it not be better to start with e

[PeteTheBrazilian]

Like it was said before, I believe Skarner to be lackluster overall... his kit is just meh in comparison with other "fighters" and is "worse than meh" when compared to other junglers... my opinion anyways.

[FlamingCamera]

@RockingTheFro When's the last time ANY new piece of software came out without bugs? That's just how programming works right now. Sure it sucks, but you should be used to it by now.

[FlamingCamera]

Who else thinks that, now that they've announced Dominion, that they're starting to put out champions designed with it in mind but not really saying so? They'll probably be more open about it once it's actually out there, but for now why bother saying it, right?

[JesterMereel]

@FlamingCamera I think you're assuming a little too much. Skarner is comparable to many other champions in the league, so no, I highly doubt they're creating champions geared towards Dominion, considering he's hardly a breath of fresh air.

[FlamingCamera]

@JesterMereel Maybe not with this specific champion, but I'm wondering if that could be a direction they could be taking in the future.

[JesterMereel]

@FlamingCamera But how do you build champions towards a capture the point map? I just don't see the reasoning behind it, or how it makes sense at all.

[Cl0ne66]

He really sucks some big huge balls. He needs serious buffing. Like buffs that need to come before next patch because, damn. He cant fill any role at all. Can't tank since hes so squishy, cant melee-dps since his only skill that is AD is only bonus AD meaning you cant get it that high (Max about 300) and you'd have to be well fed to get near the 400 total AD--which he cant get since hes so underpower, and hes not a mage going AP would be stupid having less than .5 ratios on the magic dmg skills.

[Drakkonx99]

Stonewall, you know that the Bonus magic damage from Q isn't working on Jungle minions right? I think it's a bug. Hopefully Skarner will be better after that is resolved.

[stonewall008]

@Drakkonx99 i do know that - he will definitely be better with it fixed.

[shamHuD]

@stonewall008 Actually, I think the bonus damage from Q does actually work. I just tested it, and at level 1, the red damage numbers shows Q doing 20 damage, but the monster's health dropped by 40 for the hits that should have applied the bonus magic damage..

[mega17]

@stonewall008

If Q isn't hitting neutral creeps, doesn't that mean his true speed could rival Udyr?

4:30 seems pretty good when the main-damage skill isn't working. o_o

[stonewall008]

@mega17 guinsoo said it's intentional that it doesn't do damage...

[mega17]

@stonewall008

That sounds really stupid...

[vudoodave]

@stonewall008

I'm pretty sure it's doing damage. Just looking at the video, you can see the creeps taking exceptionally more damage from subsequent Qs than from the first one. You can see the damage indicators from both base and bonus too. I also have tested it in my own runs to confirm. So if it's not supposed to do damage, Skarner's horrid in the jungle.

As a side, you can complete the whole jungle in one run without a leash, assuming you weren't unlucky with Wolf crits.

[DarkTechnomancer]

@vudoodave Oh you beat me to it, my bad.

[StFuzz]

@stonewall008 Source?

[NicolFaustXIII]

@stonewall008 why would it be intentional? i could see reducing the damage it does to jungle minions but having no bonus magic at all seems to make skarner lack luster

[ZeroVirus77]

@stonewall008 If that's true, Guinsoo can eat a fat dick.

That's a stupid intentional thing.

[RockingTheFro]

@Drakkonx99 Riot is so retarded. When's the last time a new hero wasn't bugged?

[samwhich99]

@RockingTheFro Trundle, Galio, MF,Nocturne, Vayne, and the list goes on..

[RockingTheFro]

@samwhich99 Okay, anyone who wasn't terribly imbalanced or glitchy after nocturne.

[samwhich99]

@RockingTheFro And then you realize that being imbalanced and bugged are two different things

[RockingTheFro]

@samwhich99 It proves the same point. Riot is stupid.

[mastazenkei]

i feel like if they lowered his early mana costs , and lv 1 shield cd to 10 sec , he could start with shield ,attack spd red and quints and his jungle could be better, but i doubt they will do this

[Strykethelight]

Looks so much safer with a leash XD

[Arkayer]

What Glyphs (Blue) did you use in this video?

[vudoodave]

@Arkayer When he puts "Choice Blue", he typically uses MR per level.

[Arkayer]

@vudoodave Thanks. I would have thought Attack Speed.

[vudoodave]

I don't see a reason to do the standard route with Skarner; he's just way too slow and his pre-6 presence is horrid. The only advantage you get is Blue security.

[DadansterGfaqs]

Hmm it seems even with a leash he's real slow on blue

[Snaggbash2000]

you should have used Jade Jungle from paper mario as music :P

[daprodude]

he has a heal, but cant stay healthy, and even with golem, he has low, if not completely depleted, mana when done with golems. this just makes me sad

[zrhealey]

Have an idea of a tier placement for him at the moment? Or do you need to play him a bit more to decide?

[Ikimono]

@zrhealey probably teir 4-5

[TheLouhisss]

he is so up now :( hope they buff him

[XxXValtenXxX]

They need to either buff his jungle ganking power or take his label off as a jungler - Because so far, I'm not seeing it.

[Woeboez]

Counterjungling says hi.

[xstormratx]

I need a fresh jungler. The last 10 heroes were all like bad or maybe medi-core junglers. Its getting boring.

[AuspTheAwesome]

You should be careful of people leashing your exp when you're doing the leashed demonstration. Morgana got too close to your wraiths when you were doing them.

[LEATHALBODY]

i would lane with him

[Dhowyn]

Skarner will eventually get some love in the following patches to make his jungling more consistent as Riot wants.

[Anonymous00616]

@Dhowyn consistency isnt the problem hes just slow as hell.

[iKhicken]

Why does Skarner has the Jungle attribute when he isn't really that great at it

[981407036x]

@iKhicken yep, it's as if riot doesnt even test their champions anymore...

[dunannick]

Redmercy did decent jungling him.

[SSBTham]

u think hes a viable jungler?

his ult looks nice for ganking, but apart from that .. im not sure, havent faced him yet

[Dxx36]

this seems to be more risky than olafs jungle, and olaf actually adds something to his team..

[ArcangelStarcraft]

counter jungleing screws this champ sadly

[djdxmasterx]

From what I can see it's really really risky...

[6seven89]

i expected a much more versitile and safe jungler

[Mouseman97]

What tier?

[Excaliborn]

@Mouseman97 tier 20+ ofcourse

[dwagothegod]

He´s really that weak is he?

[NowYouKnowLegend]

In what aspects do you think scarner shine? imo he feels like an weak jungler wich is slow and abit bad at ganks early

[stonewall008]

Hope you guys watch the whole thing - since it has a leash example too

[mazzimazzi]

@stonewall008 I was wondering what your thoughts are of him? Seems pretty descent

[Excaliborn]

@stonewall008 its amazing how you can solo jungle him since i cant do it at all, tried him as soon as he came out and he was pretty awesome, as a laner. when i tried to jungle i died twice >.>. props to you and your skills. have you tried him as a laner yet? FB is really easy

[MrYoumouse]

yeah early

[Karragh]

That start looks really dangerous, like you REALLY need to have al lthe best runes and talents for this guy.

[6seven89]

@Karragh you need a leash then its okay

[Krati08071995]

@Karragh DOnt forget, he has no puller for golem.

[981407036x]

@Krati08071995 most junglers can do without a leash, they'd probably be forced to eat a health pot and be relatively healthy, but Karragh is right, he takes WAY too long to kill the golem

even with a strong leash (morgana leash) he still had to eat a pot, that's pretty crappy

[stonewall008]

@Krati08071995 you didn't watch the whole video did you

[Krati08071995]

@stonewall008 Yes i did. It was dangerous. But the start, i thought he meant the Blue buff, was very hard. If you would have killed blue faster/got pulled blue it would have been a bit easier.

Sorry if you got that wrong, i watch all your vids and like them. Just wanted to state that.

[26176032]

@Karragh

mm leash?

[StormMGN]

@Karragh MID SHOULD PULL THE BLUE

than i think it's fine ;)

[moppeez]

@Karragh Yeh and RNG has to be in your favour

[horten229pilot]

@Karragh like you REALLY have a pull in a normal game.

[shreycod4]

@Karragh Not with a pull.

[themoonierammus]

@Karragh note that he didnt get a pull, that factor alone wud make blue alot safer

[stonewall008]

@themoonierammus note that the video has a pull in it

[themoonierammus]

@stonewall008 i ment only the first clip of the video with no pull...the one will pull wasnt risky at all

[j0nanimation]

that was the most unsafe jungle i see jesus christ

[kor3an07boi]

Wow I'm actually early on one of the vids.

[MadeToSubscribe2]

Im just gonna take this comment so no a hole will say first

[iGigapwn]

@MadeToSubscribe2

FAIL.

[kor3an07boi]

@MadeToSubscribe2 too late lol

[sweserban]

i am viewer 0 :D

[sweserban]

:D