The entire idea in pickup is that supplicating to woman doesn't get sex.
pickup is about getting woman and as such has to be about knowing your worth, about expressing freely your desires to women without being afraid of being criticized by them or society for who you are and what you want.
its about not giving a damn if she's not into it. its about knowing how to give when she does the things you want and how to take or walk away when she acts like a bitch.
you should also check out the False rape case against William McCaffrey. a 28 year old man that was sentenced to 20 years in prison.. because 27 year old Biurny Peguero was Drunk and made a false rape accusation against McCaffrey, even though the Rape Kit the hospital had prepared for her came back NEGATIVE. He spent 4 years in prison before the little cunt's conscious got to her and confessed. She is only facing up to 1-3 years in Prison... which to me is an absolute fucking outrage
2/2 Lay count is indeed used as some absurd confidence trick to gain self respect but for average young horny dude it is better then nothing. I believe old PUAs eventually realize the manipulative nature of women and try to help other men anyway they can. As it is unhealthy to immerse in erotica it is counterproductive to push antagonism and hate. We need to strive for unification and not fragmentation.
1/2 Despite the harsh tone it is difficult to disagree with the message. Men should never deny, be afraid or ashamed of their sexuality. Our hormones are a powerful drive. For some not as easy to control. Men shall never be penalized for being men. Understanding this is crucial to avoid exploitation. I will agree that SC isn't doing much for MRM but I believe SC has goals to help men even if it's marginalized pussy chaise. I think SC pushes fembots and mangynas into the right direction.
What I would say is that most men are sex on the brain. Sex is a huge reward in many ways. In fact, many things we do are for the blurred target of sex. As a fatalist I do not care for future endeavours so I do not care for human natures pursuits. So sex as a singular pursuit is understandable. Not everyone has minds that are built for conceptual thought and abstract ideas. I think PUA can be a mere skill and not a life ambition too. Also, I cant imagine PUA's wanting off spring.
even the best PUA artists only get 1/7 women to give him her number!Being a flake just for some average,is so pathetic.PUA-ism is pathetic and Femenist.
But men aren't hunters and women aren't quarries. Your enobling of practictoners of game by comparing them to hunters is laughable. Pick-up artists dont "hunt" women. Rather, they expend great deals of effort dancing in front of women; twisting and contorting their identities, conforming to the objective standards which make a male attractive. And they do this to hundreds and thousands of women in the hope that one will accept them.
@IdleKen he is correct. pickup artists are communication artists. they communicate to get their goals met. a person who can shape behaviors of others toward him to meet his goals is not a supplicant.
its called a leader.
..sometimes its also called a salesman...
you have a twisted image of PUA's as some dancing monkeys with weird hairdos and strange goggles.
feminists who attack pua's have the same uneducated ideas of what pickup world really is all about.
It is supplication because PUA is ENTIRELY dependent on what a female wants. Whatever methods the PUA uses are superflous, if his goal is to satisfy female desire then he works from a base of supplication.
the man's goal is to bed the woman. not to buy drinks or make them feel good or like him. its to take them to bed.
in order to do that you need to show your interest in what you want. that's what communicating is. and ironically the same time not caring if she walks away.
and yes women find that attractive. but i guess if woman cant help herslef be attracted to a man who stands his ground that's supplicating to her.
Actually PUA has nothing to do with what the man wants and all to do with what a woman wants. Thats what PUA is. Learning to conform to what women want sexually.
its about communicating in an effective way with the world around you.
communicating to meet your needs.
read DAVID X read MODE 1. they will be the closest to what your views are. in them you will find very strong communication ideas that fit your presently combative mentality against woman.
and their authors are also anti PUA so they'll fit right in..
@IdleKen that's what naturals have my friend. women calling them to sleep with them. women hitting on them.
met several guys like that. some of them studied pickup but were good with women before hand.
they are called naturals and that's what pickup tries to emulate. although it sounds bad because you immediately think of faking, learning is actually a good thing.
Game is a tool that can improve any man's life. For long term relationships or short flings. It is used to a greater or lesser extent by guys every day, so what? Nothing wrong with pursuing pussy if and when you want to do so.
PUAs are the fanatics. Just as every religion, political ideology, musician, films etc have fanatical fans, so does game. And it would be wrong to tar all proponents of game with this brush.
As someone who enjoys 'geeky' pursuits, I find the PUA's understanding of female psychology interesting. However it has always left me feeling uncomfortable with the way they prostitute themselves in the pursuit of sex. This video is a fine elucidation of the issues.
No matter what side of the fence you are on, regular guy or player, keep in mind that women are basically playing us all. We are competing for them and they dont have to do nothing but choose who they will sleep with. We are competing to get choosen. So guys need to wake up and see things for what it is.
PUA is really a marketing scam designed to attack a man's insecurities with women. The goal is to get money. So they come up with this "mental masturbation" material that is really a delusional form of pussy worshiping. (In recent times, they've re-packaged it with some self-help material.)
Why else would they have pen names for themselves? David De Angelo is Eben Pagan. He has now switched from relationships to business.
Even David admitted his "cocky funny" was BS in his later material.
Google: Martha Laura Granados Immigration Prostitute
The VAWA Immigration Loop-hole:
If you are a woman, pretend to be in love with a US citizen / Legal Resident, decieve him to marry you. As soon as you got the marriage certificate dial 211 and falsely accuse him of Domestic Violence and Rape and move to a VAWA shelter.
You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
Meeting as many women as possible is for practice reasons. Not a goal in itself.
Pussyinflation drives down pussy value to zero or negative. The "allure of pussy" will never control a man if he knows how to get it anytime without effort.
Women have never wanted the power men have given them in the first place.
Pua's teach that the way to do it, is to never give any power away to a woman, and they will be even more attracted.
TheHappyMisogynist gets it in "On Going to War with Women- Part 2"
Meeting as many women as possible is for practice reasons. Not a goal in itself.
Pussyinflation drives down pussy value to zero or negative. The "allure of pussy" will never control a man if he knows how to get it anytime without effort.
Women have never wanted the power men have given them in the first place.
Pua's teach that the way to do it, is to never give any power away to a woman, and they will be even more attracted.
I've never applauded while listening/watching a Youtube video before. Bravo sir! This was so spot on in highlighting the delusions of these pathetic PUA idiots.
The PUAs are salesmen, they are not activists. And as salesmen they have to attack, and denounce alternative products. They do it all the time. PUA is not even a set of cheap tricks on how to get chicks (there is no general rule for that anyway), it is a set of cheap tricks on how to get young gullible men to buy their products.
@leostomicek Well said. And the best part is that the PUA salesmen, by teaching their readers "game", have effectivelly taught their follower to be mini-salesmen themselves.
This is why 40 year old virgins go around telling u how the game is the bestest most amazingets thinger on the planetz.
I have been a part of MGTOW all my life, even before I knew what MGTOW is. Did not prevent me from getting laid, the two are not mutually exclusive. But as said in the video, freedom is more important, I do not want to 'game' some controlling skank as PUAs urge.
Good to hear about Sharon Osborne. I sent a VERY angry but composed message to CBS about that complete trash they decided to air (I caught it online). I didn't catch that worthless old bitch's apology since I don't watch the show, but I'm glad it happened! And of course it was the MGTOW and supporters of the thought who stood up and forced that, because we all know the PUA lemmings have no backbone and never stand up for anything worthwhile. All they care about is conforming to what women want.
A male co-worker of mine is undergoing a divorce proceeding with his wife.
I am not a privy to the details, but he is forced to move out of the house which he is currently paying (his wife stays at home and works part-time or any at all).
The children are currently with his wife.
And his wife called the police on him because he "stole" the DVD player which he himself bought and paid.
THIS IS JUST A GLIMPSE AT HOW SICKENING AN AMERICAN WOMAN IS.
Women are parasites that prey on healthy, productive young males.
We should educate boys at a young age never to trust a female.
If all men channel their time, energy and talents to endeavors that improve themselves, rather than trying to 'score' with women, they will become the most powerful driving force in humanity.
And women? These useless trash can't even pay their own bills, so I don't expect a lot from them.
@RichardRich1989 It's good to hear from you, Rich. I'm much more aware now of just how many PUAs and traditionalist manginas who treat women like children and refuse to hold women accountable for their misbehavior are lurking in the MRM. They need to be exposed and uprooted. These fools who want to "protect and provide" for grown women don't seem to understand that they're contributing to this false sense of entitlement Western women have. These same manginas will be crying in divorce court.
If I find a woman that is worth my time I'll gladly take a partner, but getting laid is highly overrated.
I laugh at people that say you have to get laid to be an Alpha, the ones given that title are slaves to their d^&*( and a misandric court system that will get them eventually.
PUA is a variation on pussy whipped. The endless wasted time conforming to womens bullshit ideas of "alpha" are for men who have no desire to self-actualize. I like the term used in this video. "Female syncophant ". Treating them like shit is still pandering to their bullshit and not being true to YOURSELF.
PUAs=Owned in this audio. I learned the other day that trying to talk sense into males who shape their lives around what females want is hopeless. Let the PUAs and manginas crash and burn. They'll all die off eventually.
Hey Barbarosaaaa, not for nothing, but you should be getting paid for this knowledge you spreading sir. Thank you for this great service you are providing.
Roissy never said do whatever it takes to get a woman in bed with you. That's true. Just like feminists like Steinem never said "Let's hate and demonize men."
Good vid, but Sharon Osborne is not a feminist. She's a housewife. Feminists did not condone Osborne's actions, or the woman's who cut off her husband's penis. Feminists were mute. If a man murders a women, do MRAs criticize him? Sometimes, saying he's letting the side down - but more often they refer to it as evidence of systemic unfairness against men. Osborne joked she'd 'find a reason' for the castration, so parodying such a misandric thought process, as being as retarded as her persona.
@municipalmutualist I don't know Osborne that well, but I don't think she generally attempts to parody an asshole, as say for instance Al Murray's 'pub landlord' persona does when in character. The pub landlord is a racist, misogynistic, anti-feminist, bigot - but would never make fun of castration or genital mutilation, so, even if Osborne was playing the witch, she would have to make it clear at the time with knowing clues - which she didn't do, so, on balance... she's a cunt.
@BOOMkhopadshot Correct. Real feminists are not housewives. Some skanks came up with the line about feminism being all about choices, excusing their own desire to housewhore themselves off to the highest bidder. Real feminism is about equality - and independence - but now, so many selfish, misandric whores, cling to victimhood by MASCARADING as feminists, that most truly independent women don't call themselves feminists. All professional victim-feminists are whores - because they sell lies.
As a voluntary celibate myself it becomes a little odd to interact with anyone I reveal it to, and they usually ask why. When I give my list of dozens of different reasons they often conclude one of two things about me or both:
1. He doesn't know what he's missing.
2. He's an egotistical fool that thinks he's above it all, but is destined to be alone.
Sadly, given the nature of human relationships, I would say that the second is probably going to be true. And yes I do think I'm above it all.
its amazing to me that the PUA's have convinced themselves of thier superiority. theyve done nothing to combat misandry, and as a matter of fact im of the opinion that they actually further it. the term beta is nothing but a euphemism for the hatred of men, for thier perceived inability to bed women. this gynocentric nonsense needs to stop and im quite happy to tell PUA's all about themselves. i appreciate you posting this on your blog
@barbarossaaaa 90% of men who take PUA bootcamps do not become good at pickicking up women..that is a statement quoted from sinn a former mystery method and love system instructor. in fact he is not the only PUA who made that statement!
@mrcharles007 picking up women is a skill. they call it pickup artist.
you don't get really good at anything unless you do it and think it 24/7. most of men wont even bother going out to talk to women after the bootcamp, let alone make it a way of life to be sociable. you cant force people to work for their success.
@SixHonest most men do not have 24/7 to study pickup, they have jobs, and many men go to school. and even have children from failed relationships to care for. Second, most PUA's charge thousands of dollars and in some cases tens of thousands . THIRD. you do not have to study pickup 24/7 to get laid, you just need to get a life! even PUA's like sinn will tell you that. and last. many of these PUA's are simply con artist's who simply want to get paid. Like GUNWITCH for example.
I recently had a short discussion on YT with a man promoting Game who said: "the amount of women a man can attract is a good measuring stick of how manly he is".
I refuted this saying that: "A man is no less of a man if he is not attractive to women."
From what I have read, PUA speak is not all bad regarding promoting men's self-development, but the overriding idea is that female interest is the primary validation of manhood and a man's happiness is tied to sex. Not so. That is flawed.
i agree completely. if two different man says for example "divorce law hurts men" one is a virgin the other is not. is the one who has gotten laid any more correct?. judging men by the amount of females theyve had is in fact ceding control to women. these PUA types have some very striking resemblances to feminists especially when it comes to shaming tactics. who cares about sex with women when we dont even have freedom wtf?!
@manwomanmyth PUA- Obviously you've never got laid. Upon entering her liquid chasm, she bestows upon you all the sciences of the land & then some. Instantaneously man-hair sprouts from your chest & back and you inherit a swagger that even the black guy from old spice would envy. F a PhD, pussy is your validation. Whether it be quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, or hydrology, you now qualified to work in these fields. So dance, dance for your queen so she may bestow upon you her treasures...
another spot on comment by mr barb. pua does NOT equal mra. there is a disturbing trend in the blogosphere to equate one to the other. just because the pua doesnt kiss a chicks ass like society wants him to, dont make him an mra. IF his pua attitude is a disguised form of pussy-begging, then he'll still worship girls above his god and he'll still have no sense of justice, rightfulness, or brotherhood with his fellow man. THAT kind of pua has no more power over himself than a junkie on crack.
I think you use quite a broad brush when describing Puas. Some puas teach that finding happiness from within and being fulfiilled with or without women is most important, women are actually just a result of having a "normal" life and liking yourself regardless of women. Guys that try and find themselves or get validation from sex and/or through women are pretty sad IMO, but everyone is entiteled to their own values and way of living, so I don't feel any need to judge that sort of behaviour.
@barbarossaaaa what I was commenting on was you saying puas in general think that men need sex from women.I just thought its pretty harsh to view everyone in that community as the same.what has resonated most with me from hearing self help talk is aiming to be someone who likes himself with or without others approval.Paradoxically,that type of guy will tend to be able to get women if he so chooses, because he doesnt need women. who or what "normal" is, is for everyone to decide for themselves.
" who or what "normal" is, is for everyone to decide for themselves." i agree except we have a clear example of roissy telling MGTOW that since we have decided to define normal masculinity according to our own terms, it makes us "mating market losers" that type of gynocentric thought process is not welcome here because i feel it puts a mans worth at the discretion of women, and i will not tolerate it without rebuttal
@Minkki82 "Guys that try and find themselves or get validation from sex and/or through women are pretty sad IMO"
real pua teaching shatters this on the first day. i think we are talking about a certain type of pua, or a certain kind of personality, that would be digging in the pua material to find new ways to be the same asshole. that guy isnt an mra, he's just the lab rat that went in tunnel B instead of tunnel Y. he is noticed. he is a curiousity. but he's still just a lab rat in captivity.
@paragshah2112 Thanks for clarifying. On the first day, PUA teaches not to put women on the pedestal. On the first day, it teaches men to play "hard-to-get." On the first day, it teaches men to be decisive and not put others first. And on the first day, it teaches men how to use their body language and voice to fake their confidence.
But Barbarossaaaa wasn't talking about that. He was talking about those PUA ideologies which redefine masculinity in accordance to a womans' sexual preferences.
@m true. real pua teachings empower men to get what they want, how they want it, and really puts the control of that valve in the man's hands. its not a toy.
if you see my other comments here, i was referring to the "gynocentric douchebag pua" (for lack of a term), as was barb. 500 char is a thin line to navigate lol
the knowledge-base of pua tecahings is just applied nlp. its how these d-bags use it thats the problem. like in everything, there are those shitheads that are gonna abuse power.
@Minkki82 "Some puas teach that finding happiness from within and being fulfiilled with or without women is most important, women are actually just a result of having a "normal" life and liking yourself regardless of women."
And who defines what a "normal" life is? It is defined by those women themselves! A "normal" life, defined by those women, is having a "high status job" and "taking care of yourself" by working out or dressing well. "Fashion" is conflated with "personal development."
@Minkki82 What bothers me is that the PUA community rehearse things such as:
"Be a man, and you will get laid."
"Real men take care of themselves."
"Real men don't share his feelings."
"Real men aren't critical of women."
"Real men don't get angry."
"Real men are respected by society."
They conflate "masculinity" with the "alpha male." For instance, they imply that "alpha males are real men." Does it mean "beta males are NOT real men"?
@municipalmutualist Dude if that is what is being taught , well that is pretty ridiculous. I think bettering yourself and your life is a good thing, and you yourself determine what constitutes a worth while cause in your life. If its trying to pick up chicks then so be it. And you cant hate the business, because the supply will generally come if there is a demand. But good if you dislike those priciples, they sound like shit.a man should determine what a real man is by a critirea of his his own
Fuck PUA's. On second thought, I'm glad these fuckin' losers are around.
They take the American Whore's attention away from me,
Thank you PUA for dating that Ameriskank from work who's been bugging me all this time for a date. You can have that worthless animal (FYI: the female gender is basically worthless. I have explained this before in my previous comments).
Thank you PUA for sleeping with the American Whore. That should keep them satisfied. Then maybe, they will keep off my back.
PUAs aren't alpha. Napoleon was an alpha... a PUA is the millions of men he sent off to die. They're omega's and nothing more. They're special.... just like everybody else.
Agreed Barb!!!! and those guys calling theme selves "alpha males", if your so "alpha" and you can do anything, go live in the Kalahari Desert for a few weeks in the summer with no water..see how "alpha" you are then.
I agree with everything you say, except one thing, just one. It's the term "sleep with", this has bugged me since I was a child, as I knew what it meant then :)
Men, we are the better gender. Don't sell your soul to a gender that fuckin' bleeds from their genitalia every month Men are biologically better than women. That is a fact. If men and women are equal, there will be no men and women's categories in the olympics. So deal with that, AMERICAN WHORE (a.k.a. AMERICAN WOMAN). You fuckin' maggots. So you think men are weak, bitch! Then get in the ring! Put on your gloves and mouthpieces! YOU FUCKIN' MEN HATING BITCHES!!
I'm an MGTOW who gets lots of attention from women. I'm 29, in good shape, and have money. I've had tons of sex throughout my 20's with gorgeous women.
I took a break from dating back in 2008 and never went back to it. Women are too much trouble. I've been rediscovering my interests as a human being, exploring my goals, planning my future. Finding the MGTOW movement helped me realize that there are other guys out there who value freedom over sex, as barbarossaaaa rightly points out.
Good point. Being a PUA is pointless. Why do you need to have game just to pickup women with your "game" comes naturally to you over time? You don't need to use some lame pickup lines and over the top gimmicks just to get women attracted to you when all you have to do is be yourself and the confidence you exude as a result is what attracts them. Being a PUA is also downright pussybegging just like you put it in your old video on alpha males and PBeggars.
I've heard my friends speak volumes about PUA literature. My original contentions were the same as yours. Willingness to bend to the whims of vacuous harlots will not get you sex much less any respect. When I discovered Roissy's literature I found that his articles discuss the issues of misandry in Western culture and how it has contributed its dilapidation. I see game is an protection against the socially accepted assault on men when applied sagaciously.
i disagree sites like AVFM discuss misandry in western culture, much more extensively and accurately than any roissy post ive ever seen, the few discussion on misandry that i see from him are all gynocentric capitulations. game and his entire blog is female centered. sure game might help you get laid but it perpetuates and functions according to the whims of a gynocentric model of thought
AMEN... I remember, I used to visit this PUA board, sosuave_com. The website is entirely gynocentric. It was only on poster on that site, whose mindset wasn't totally gynocentric.
But this is why I don't focus on MGTOW anymore either... BOTH are the same model... a whole bunch of men gathering to talk about women... PUA's talk about getting women, MRA's talking about how bad women are.
It IS possible for men to gather without actually having women as the subject of the conversation.
Don't get me wrong, the men's rights movement is ABSOULTELY important...and even game has it's uses, so long as it isn't used merely to have sex... but always talking about women feeds into the feminine conceit that a man CANNOT live without women.
@barbarossaaaa I agree that sites like AVFM provide a more elaborate discourse on misandry in our culture. Game may appear to be just about changing your persona to suit women, but I have learned that it is also about social interaction and its roots in biological impulse. As of now any man who isn't an A-list celebrity is a potential rapist to women and a losing competitor in the eyes of men, and this "Alpha" non sense perpetuates that. Learning to establish proper rapport can mitigate this.
its not the " getting laid less vs. getting laid more ", or even the " i may be a jerk but i'm a jerk that gets laid " attitudes that makes someone an asshole ... its the fact that sex is the driving pulse to that person's life, that makes him an asshole.
its the sheer deplorability of having such a gynocentric center-of-being, that makes someone an asshole.
It's easy for a guy who's 40+ years old and who's been fucking chicks all throughout his young years and lost his sex drive to say "NO MOAR" But it's a bit different for young guys like me, who still have that strong drive to stick it in every wet hole he can find.
how old are you? im 27, which isnt terribly young or old, but even when i was 19 i knew the value of resisting pussy, and i also knew that PUA's where generally full of crap. i assure you none of this ever stopped me from getting laid, even today
@barbarossaaaa PUA- Obviously you've never got laid. Upon entering her liquid chasm, she bestows upon you all the sciences of the land & then some. Instantaneously man-hair sprouts from your chest & back and you inherit a swagger that even the black guy from old spice would envy. F a PhD, pussy is your validation. Whether it be quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, or hydrology, you now qualified to work in these fields. So dance, dance for your queen so she may bestow upon you her treasures...
@barbarossaaaa If you're still a virgin past 25, you're done.
Make no mistake, the Compassionate Gender would much rather get herpes, syphilis, and genital warts all @ once than to even TOUCH the vile specimen that is the elder male virgin.
They might give the male virgin a chance if he's about twenty or younger due his youth & inexperience but past that age, the only action a male virgin'll get is with a whore, a transvestite, another man, or Rosie Palms.
@Gendo3s2k Do you really think it is all that different? Do you really think your dick falls off after the age of 40? I am not a PUA and I agree with everything that Barb says in this vid. But, I must say as a man whom has just turned 40 that pathetic ideas about age and sex are really stupid and most honest girls will tell you that. But you seem to be fooled. Too bad for you. Just this week I fucked a 27 year old and a 50 year old. It wasn't by being a PUA. It was by being myself.
@Gendo3s2k I'm a 28 yr old, healthy male with a stable job. I have a strong drive to stick my penis inside a vagina. But I don't go out pussy begging like you do.
Women should be the one begging for my penis, because they are biologically and emotionally inferior to me. I don't need them. They need me. That is a philosophy that doesn't prevent me from getting laid.
There are ways to protect yourself from FRA and knocking up bitches I keep a voice recorder, and make sure to not give them my real name, not take them to my apt, and take them somewhere with videocameras. and while I'm not a PUA, I have studied them and I do see them as just as valid as any MGTOW. Both ideologies have the purpose of giving power back to men, but in different ways.
Also, it does seem that a good number of the MGTOW are the old, undesirable dudes who couldn't get any anyway.
"Also, it does seem that a good number of the MGTOW are the old, undesirable dudes who couldn't get any anyway."
i do here a lot of PUA's say this, and its funny that they do especially when they need to go to a website blog in order to learn how to get laid. i suspect most PUA's arent getting laid as much as they say they are. also that sounds like a lot of work to get laid. hidden video cameras? thats whats required to bang unfamiliar sluts? no thanks
I have to agree. If these PUAs are getting tail on the time, why are they such post whores and online all the time? I'm no big fan of Mystery, but (at least) he's made himself known if anything else.
And yeah, if it takes tons of work to get laid, it loses its appeal to a large extent.
Are you sure you're not a feminist? In my own case, I lost my virginity years ago and still attract women, although I don't claim to be Adonis. The problem is quality women the US; the good ones are typically taken and in the scant minority. If you shunt the onus on men all the time, you have a lot to learn about MGTOW still. Why bother be with a walking train wreck when you can be single and have your self-respect?
As I stated once before, I went through a 5 year period WITHOUT a gf or sex! Not because I wasn't getting offers, but because the city I lived in was the whore/slut capital of the US! You know what? I was perfectly happy! When I was broke, I still had women offering me sex, doing my laundry and bringin' me lunch at work. I didn't have to spend a dime on ANY of them. Be a man! You will find women will lay offerings at YOUR feet to earn YOUR approval! Pussy is very nice, but not needed!
Another GREAT vid! I have ALWAYS thought this way on male-female relationships. Men should NEVER let a woman judge your value by your clothes, car, financial status or other. You DON'T need to buy a $300 dollar Abercrombie & Bitch shirt to be popular. I went through a period where I lived in a run-down motel had no car and had a decent, but low paying job. Guess what? I still got laid. Why? Cause I didn't give a shit about impressing females and demanded respect regardless of how little I had.
I follow both AVFM, roissy's blog and your channel. I find them all enjoyable and informative. Much of what all 3 have to say on feminism and false rape accusations are similar if not the same.
I think the problem here is that roissy has mistaken MGTOW as searing to remain celibate (I'm pretty sure that isn't the case).
You've been releasing a heap of vids lately, they've all been really good. Keep up the good work.
Wow, I didn't even know they were saying that bs about us. Great rebuttal to their accusations and awesome video as usual. I always look forward to hearing your point of view on this sort of thing.
barbarossa: I've followed almost all of your videos, and agree with you on a great deal, but I don't understand this. What's wrong with trying to learn game and use it to get pussy? I'm a young guy, and why wouldn't I want to increase my chances of getting laid? Sex is a big part of men's psychological and physiological health.
@stared9 theres nothing wrong with getting laid, once again i have no problem with that. ill let you in a a little secret. you will get laid as much as you want once you learn how to stop giving a shit about getting laid and what women want. you dont need this retarded game nonsense.
@barbarossaaaa I don't think men understand that women are just as intrigued by men as much as they are to women. You don't need any game to get a female. Simply act like pussy is just pussy and you will eventually hit that shit down the road. Its not something that's impossible to get. Once you get thirsty for it guess what. You've just given away your freedom. Men shouldn't beg or pursue pussy. It just makes you thirsty not masculine.
"Im 31 , pua, does help in this society" what exactly does it help you do? get laid? ive never studied game, why do i and many others that dont need a blog to tell them how to walk talk and act still get laid? i act according to my own interests game never helped me get laid im living proof of its uselessness "I got no game, it's just some bitches understand my story" ~nas
@stared9 Go 2 all the vids on YouTube where women r screaming about child support. They say over & over, If you gonna play u gotta pay. While u r out there gaming, some gal is putting crosshairs on u & u will become the game because the lucrative corrupt divorce/support industry needs somebody 2 pay those judge's pensions & country club dues. Divorce & support & DV & false rape & women's shelters r huge multi-billion dollar industries that need to be fed. B cautious, some pussy could ruin life.
PUA is a lot of fucking work with little reward. Like barb mentioned in his previous video, women don't have to do ANYTHING to make themselves more quality for us, but we have to cater ourselves specifically to skanks to get laid. Why drink from a poisoned chalice just because some dumb PUA tells you you're beta if you dont? Yes it is natural to want sex, but when you have dedicated all of your spare time to pussy then you've given in to feminized culture and compromised your integrity.
@MrManiacPsycho Exactly. A PUA might as well tell their sheep to be willing to rewire themselves insides and out just to attract a woman. Any man who falls for their idea of what an Alpha is, is pathetic. Because of all this PUA nonsense and western decline, the TRUE definition of an alpha has been lost and twisted.
couldnt have said it better myself. these losers that try to shame men if they arent obsessed with the most diseased skanks in the world (western women) are nothing but enemies of men.
they are.. literally a bunch of pseudo-intellectual fake players that probably dont even get laid as nearly as often as they claim. these are the only men that i will judge by how much pussy they (probably dont) get. because they see it as the end all be all for male worth. incredible losers these PUA's
@barbarossaaaa No doubt, they don't realise how low their measurement of standards even are. They judge a mans worth on his ability to stick his dick in one or more of the 3 BILLION vaginas around the world. They might as well judge carbon to be a rare element to build a personal fortune on... its stupid.
There are many worthy things to use to build worth on such as ones ability to perform science, literature, music, art, trade skills, knowledge, their kids.. and they choose pussy?! Weak.
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thisgame2 6 days ago
PUA = Pussy Uber Alles?
CplFerro 1 week ago
"many men crave the allure of freedom more than the allure of pussy". WELL SAID!
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The entire idea in pickup is that supplicating to woman doesn't get sex.
pickup is about getting woman and as such has to be about knowing your worth, about expressing freely your desires to women without being afraid of being criticized by them or society for who you are and what you want.
its about not giving a damn if she's not into it. its about knowing how to give when she does the things you want and how to take or walk away when she acts like a bitch.
its about leading and being a man.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
@SixHonest you're deluded.
if pua was about what men want then the idea would be:
1. Walk up to a woman and ask her if she wants to have sex.
there would be no need for anything else, no need for pages of jargon and LRs if pua was about what men wanted.
IdleKen 2 weeks ago
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Dont care.
InsaneBillykane 4 weeks ago
@InsaneBillykane Great, the don't post.
KidWindstorm 3 weeks ago
Maybe I'll learn it from a video I haven't gotten to, but what does PUA stand for?
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Amen Barbarossaaa!, our Cause is far more important then from tainted, over-used pussy
thecurse23 1 month ago
you should also check out the False rape case against William McCaffrey. a 28 year old man that was sentenced to 20 years in prison.. because 27 year old Biurny Peguero was Drunk and made a false rape accusation against McCaffrey, even though the Rape Kit the hospital had prepared for her came back NEGATIVE. He spent 4 years in prison before the little cunt's conscious got to her and confessed. She is only facing up to 1-3 years in Prison... which to me is an absolute fucking outrage
thecurse23 1 month ago
2/2 Lay count is indeed used as some absurd confidence trick to gain self respect but for average young horny dude it is better then nothing. I believe old PUAs eventually realize the manipulative nature of women and try to help other men anyway they can. As it is unhealthy to immerse in erotica it is counterproductive to push antagonism and hate. We need to strive for unification and not fragmentation.
loverentiy 1 month ago
1/2 Despite the harsh tone it is difficult to disagree with the message. Men should never deny, be afraid or ashamed of their sexuality. Our hormones are a powerful drive. For some not as easy to control. Men shall never be penalized for being men. Understanding this is crucial to avoid exploitation. I will agree that SC isn't doing much for MRM but I believe SC has goals to help men even if it's marginalized pussy chaise. I think SC pushes fembots and mangynas into the right direction.
loverentiy 1 month ago
What I would say is that most men are sex on the brain. Sex is a huge reward in many ways. In fact, many things we do are for the blurred target of sex. As a fatalist I do not care for future endeavours so I do not care for human natures pursuits. So sex as a singular pursuit is understandable. Not everyone has minds that are built for conceptual thought and abstract ideas. I think PUA can be a mere skill and not a life ambition too. Also, I cant imagine PUA's wanting off spring.
underatedly 2 months ago
Amen.
YksiSuomalainen 2 months ago
even the best PUA artists only get 1/7 women to give him her number!Being a flake just for some average,is so pathetic.PUA-ism is pathetic and Femenist.
ShlomoHaAvinoo 2 months ago
"diseased crotch of american whores" ..and you want to be taken seriously, ey?
SoFlyCee 3 months ago
Again please and in simple English.
Jmjager1 3 months ago
Game teaches strategies for dealing with Women. A hunter who employs strategies to obtain his quarry can hardly be called a supplicant.
Your argument is weak.
SpeculativeMeasures 3 months ago
@SpeculativeMeasures
But men aren't hunters and women aren't quarries. Your enobling of practictoners of game by comparing them to hunters is laughable. Pick-up artists dont "hunt" women. Rather, they expend great deals of effort dancing in front of women; twisting and contorting their identities, conforming to the objective standards which make a male attractive. And they do this to hundreds and thousands of women in the hope that one will accept them.
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IdleKen 3 months ago
@IdleKen he is correct. pickup artists are communication artists. they communicate to get their goals met. a person who can shape behaviors of others toward him to meet his goals is not a supplicant.
its called a leader.
..sometimes its also called a salesman...
you have a twisted image of PUA's as some dancing monkeys with weird hairdos and strange goggles.
feminists who attack pua's have the same uneducated ideas of what pickup world really is all about.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
@SixHonest
It is supplication because PUA is ENTIRELY dependent on what a female wants. Whatever methods the PUA uses are superflous, if his goal is to satisfy female desire then he works from a base of supplication.
IdleKen 2 weeks ago
@IdleKen you're world view is distorted.
the man's goal is to bed the woman. not to buy drinks or make them feel good or like him. its to take them to bed.
in order to do that you need to show your interest in what you want. that's what communicating is. and ironically the same time not caring if she walks away.
and yes women find that attractive. but i guess if woman cant help herslef be attracted to a man who stands his ground that's supplicating to her.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
@SixHonest
Actually PUA has nothing to do with what the man wants and all to do with what a woman wants. Thats what PUA is. Learning to conform to what women want sexually.
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@IdleKen my friend you are wrong.
its about communicating in an effective way with the world around you.
communicating to meet your needs.
read DAVID X read MODE 1. they will be the closest to what your views are. in them you will find very strong communication ideas that fit your presently combative mentality against woman.
and their authors are also anti PUA so they'll fit right in..
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@IdleKen that's what naturals have my friend. women calling them to sleep with them. women hitting on them.
met several guys like that. some of them studied pickup but were good with women before hand.
they are called naturals and that's what pickup tries to emulate. although it sounds bad because you immediately think of faking, learning is actually a good thing.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
Game is a tool that can improve any man's life. For long term relationships or short flings. It is used to a greater or lesser extent by guys every day, so what? Nothing wrong with pursuing pussy if and when you want to do so.
PUAs are the fanatics. Just as every religion, political ideology, musician, films etc have fanatical fans, so does game. And it would be wrong to tar all proponents of game with this brush.
TomDulson 4 months ago
brilliant, as usual!
knowthingman 4 months ago
As someone who enjoys 'geeky' pursuits, I find the PUA's understanding of female psychology interesting. However it has always left me feeling uncomfortable with the way they prostitute themselves in the pursuit of sex. This video is a fine elucidation of the issues.
dalriada842 4 months ago
thank you
startxxx1991 4 months ago in playlist More videos from barbarossaaaa
"Oppressive unopened doors".
Nice.
StraightOuttaDC 5 months ago
No matter what side of the fence you are on, regular guy or player, keep in mind that women are basically playing us all. We are competing for them and they dont have to do nothing but choose who they will sleep with. We are competing to get choosen. So guys need to wake up and see things for what it is.
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darkbyke 5 months ago
PUA is really a marketing scam designed to attack a man's insecurities with women. The goal is to get money. So they come up with this "mental masturbation" material that is really a delusional form of pussy worshiping. (In recent times, they've re-packaged it with some self-help material.)
Why else would they have pen names for themselves? David De Angelo is Eben Pagan. He has now switched from relationships to business.
Even David admitted his "cocky funny" was BS in his later material.
aussiebear22 6 months ago 6
Google: Martha Laura Granados Immigration Prostitute
The VAWA Immigration Loop-hole:
If you are a woman, pretend to be in love with a US citizen / Legal Resident, decieve him to marry you. As soon as you got the marriage certificate dial 211 and falsely accuse him of Domestic Violence and Rape and move to a VAWA shelter.
You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
VAWAhorrors 6 months ago
... Citizen Ranegade vs voice for men ... For the uninitiated.. witch is witch..?
LddStyx 6 months ago
Quality speech! A very fine personal analysis. Have to give it the thumbs up...
Yazoo2564 6 months ago
Bravo! Well said.
patrickhenryist 6 months ago
Beta males masquerading as alpha males become PUA's. True alpha males become MRA's/MGTOW's
Kasmir145 6 months ago 6
Generally, I thing PUA's are doing LESS to "please" women than average guys.
I think It would be useful for MRAs to get some knowledge how dating science works. Not having to apply anything, but at least have the information.
I see it as women have never wanted the power they have been handed.
For example David X has 2 main rules: Don't care what women thinks. See yourself as the most important person in the relationship.
David DeAngelos books are concise and easily read,
acebarbarian 7 months ago
@acebarbarian +1
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
Meeting as many women as possible is for practice reasons. Not a goal in itself.
Pussyinflation drives down pussy value to zero or negative. The "allure of pussy" will never control a man if he knows how to get it anytime without effort.
Women have never wanted the power men have given them in the first place.
Pua's teach that the way to do it, is to never give any power away to a woman, and they will be even more attracted.
TheHappyMisogynist gets it in "On Going to War with Women- Part 2"
acebarbarian 7 months ago
Meeting as many women as possible is for practice reasons. Not a goal in itself.
Pussyinflation drives down pussy value to zero or negative. The "allure of pussy" will never control a man if he knows how to get it anytime without effort.
Women have never wanted the power men have given them in the first place.
Pua's teach that the way to do it, is to never give any power away to a woman, and they will be even more attracted.
acebarbarian 7 months ago
"Study what women want"
-NO. Studies what are attracted to, not what they "want". That women are attracted to men who cares more about themselves than the woman in question.
"Get validation from women"
The opposite. The way to do it, is to not seek or care about validation from women. That will make women try to seek validation instead.
"Men want to get laid"
-Yes, but women want's it probably more.
"Do what women want"
Women are attracted to men who cares more about he wants, than her.
acebarbarian 7 months ago
Personally, I think that education endeavors are more satisfying then sleeping with women.
Boredpersons55 7 months ago
I've never applauded while listening/watching a Youtube video before. Bravo sir! This was so spot on in highlighting the delusions of these pathetic PUA idiots.
DaBlackX 7 months ago
The PUAs are salesmen, they are not activists. And as salesmen they have to attack, and denounce alternative products. They do it all the time. PUA is not even a set of cheap tricks on how to get chicks (there is no general rule for that anyway), it is a set of cheap tricks on how to get young gullible men to buy their products.
leostomicek 7 months ago
@leostomicek Well said. And the best part is that the PUA salesmen, by teaching their readers "game", have effectivelly taught their follower to be mini-salesmen themselves.
This is why 40 year old virgins go around telling u how the game is the bestest most amazingets thinger on the planetz.
AlekNovy 7 months ago
I have been a part of MGTOW all my life, even before I knew what MGTOW is. Did not prevent me from getting laid, the two are not mutually exclusive. But as said in the video, freedom is more important, I do not want to 'game' some controlling skank as PUAs urge.
leostomicek 7 months ago 2
Good to hear about Sharon Osborne. I sent a VERY angry but composed message to CBS about that complete trash they decided to air (I caught it online). I didn't catch that worthless old bitch's apology since I don't watch the show, but I'm glad it happened! And of course it was the MGTOW and supporters of the thought who stood up and forced that, because we all know the PUA lemmings have no backbone and never stand up for anything worthwhile. All they care about is conforming to what women want.
AllPro777 7 months ago
Hey everyone, you need to check out an AMAZING related article, just google
"lifestyle journey the pua scam".
It's the BEST article I've seen describing how PUA-ism is nothing but over-complicated pussy-begging in direct opposition to male empowerment.
I also suggest googling
"the anti-game method aleknovy"
which is also relevant reading.
AlekNovy 7 months ago 8
A male co-worker of mine is undergoing a divorce proceeding with his wife.
I am not a privy to the details, but he is forced to move out of the house which he is currently paying (his wife stays at home and works part-time or any at all).
The children are currently with his wife.
And his wife called the police on him because he "stole" the DVD player which he himself bought and paid.
THIS IS JUST A GLIMPSE AT HOW SICKENING AN AMERICAN WOMAN IS.
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago 4
"Allure of women"?
Does anybody still believe this horse-shit?
Women are parasites that prey on healthy, productive young males.
We should educate boys at a young age never to trust a female.
If all men channel their time, energy and talents to endeavors that improve themselves, rather than trying to 'score' with women, they will become the most powerful driving force in humanity.
And women? These useless trash can't even pay their own bills, so I don't expect a lot from them.
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago 5
@RichardRich1989 It's good to hear from you, Rich. I'm much more aware now of just how many PUAs and traditionalist manginas who treat women like children and refuse to hold women accountable for their misbehavior are lurking in the MRM. They need to be exposed and uprooted. These fools who want to "protect and provide" for grown women don't seem to understand that they're contributing to this false sense of entitlement Western women have. These same manginas will be crying in divorce court.
rep5281 7 months ago 4
What allure of women?
If I find a woman that is worth my time I'll gladly take a partner, but getting laid is highly overrated.
I laugh at people that say you have to get laid to be an Alpha, the ones given that title are slaves to their d^&*( and a misandric court system that will get them eventually.
theshillelaghlaw 7 months ago
PUA is a front for Feminism(socialism).
They start by saying all or most men are inadequate in some way, then present you with a 'cure' that doesn't work.
TheCriminal2334 7 months ago
PUA is a variation on pussy whipped. The endless wasted time conforming to womens bullshit ideas of "alpha" are for men who have no desire to self-actualize. I like the term used in this video. "Female syncophant ". Treating them like shit is still pandering to their bullshit and not being true to YOURSELF.
BobbyL5757 7 months ago
@BobbyL5757 dude... we as men compete between ourselves, as do women compete between themselves. alpha has nothing to do with girls bulshit ideas.
stop thinking girls define for you whats attractive in our society.
see what works not what girls say.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
PUAs=Owned in this audio. I learned the other day that trying to talk sense into males who shape their lives around what females want is hopeless. Let the PUAs and manginas crash and burn. They'll all die off eventually.
rep5281 7 months ago 4
well said.
mala265 7 months ago
Roissy sounds like a feminist, trying to shame men.
DrComputerGuy 7 months ago 3
sorry folks...what is a pua please
?
DashiellCabasa 7 months ago
@DashiellCabasa
PUA = Pickup Artist.
MRA = Male Renaissance Agitator
MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way
fidelbogen 7 months ago 2
Hey Barbarosaaaa, not for nothing, but you should be getting paid for this knowledge you spreading sir. Thank you for this great service you are providing.
tripslikstar 7 months ago
Great vid. Very pungent and some excellent points.
johnas1011 7 months ago
Roissy never said do whatever it takes to get a woman in bed with you. That's true. Just like feminists like Steinem never said "Let's hate and demonize men."
MrBastilleDay 7 months ago
Good vid, but Sharon Osborne is not a feminist. She's a housewife. Feminists did not condone Osborne's actions, or the woman's who cut off her husband's penis. Feminists were mute. If a man murders a women, do MRAs criticize him? Sometimes, saying he's letting the side down - but more often they refer to it as evidence of systemic unfairness against men. Osborne joked she'd 'find a reason' for the castration, so parodying such a misandric thought process, as being as retarded as her persona.
tom181071 7 months ago
@tom181071 "Osborne joked she'd 'find a reason' for the castration"
If it was a joke, then I won't be offended by that statement.
municipalmutualist 7 months ago
@municipalmutualist Was it really a joke? I don't know.
municipalmutualist 7 months ago
@municipalmutualist I don't know Osborne that well, but I don't think she generally attempts to parody an asshole, as say for instance Al Murray's 'pub landlord' persona does when in character. The pub landlord is a racist, misogynistic, anti-feminist, bigot - but would never make fun of castration or genital mutilation, so, even if Osborne was playing the witch, she would have to make it clear at the time with knowing clues - which she didn't do, so, on balance... she's a cunt.
tom181071 7 months ago
@tom181071 because she is a housewife, she is not a feminist? Feminism is also about women's choices.
"Feminists did not condone Osborne's actions"
bit. ly/oYaFYl
BOOMkhopadshot 7 months ago
@BOOMkhopadshot Correct. Real feminists are not housewives. Some skanks came up with the line about feminism being all about choices, excusing their own desire to housewhore themselves off to the highest bidder. Real feminism is about equality - and independence - but now, so many selfish, misandric whores, cling to victimhood by MASCARADING as feminists, that most truly independent women don't call themselves feminists. All professional victim-feminists are whores - because they sell lies.
tom181071 7 months ago
As a voluntary celibate myself it becomes a little odd to interact with anyone I reveal it to, and they usually ask why. When I give my list of dozens of different reasons they often conclude one of two things about me or both:
1. He doesn't know what he's missing.
2. He's an egotistical fool that thinks he's above it all, but is destined to be alone.
Sadly, given the nature of human relationships, I would say that the second is probably going to be true. And yes I do think I'm above it all.
megabrowser17 7 months ago 2
Thank you for putting out this excellent video. It says what needs to be said.
The underlying tension between PUAs and MRAs is finally out in the fuckin' open daylight, where it ought to be.
I used to believe that PUAs and MRAs were in a symbiotic relationship, fighting the same war on different fronts. Oh how deluded I was!
I will post your vid on my blog in the near future.
fidelbogen 7 months ago 20
@fidelbogen
its amazing to me that the PUA's have convinced themselves of thier superiority. theyve done nothing to combat misandry, and as a matter of fact im of the opinion that they actually further it. the term beta is nothing but a euphemism for the hatred of men, for thier perceived inability to bed women. this gynocentric nonsense needs to stop and im quite happy to tell PUA's all about themselves. i appreciate you posting this on your blog
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 23
@barbarossaaaa 90% of men who take PUA bootcamps do not become good at pickicking up women..that is a statement quoted from sinn a former mystery method and love system instructor. in fact he is not the only PUA who made that statement!
mrcharles007 1 month ago
@mrcharles007 picking up women is a skill. they call it pickup artist.
you don't get really good at anything unless you do it and think it 24/7. most of men wont even bother going out to talk to women after the bootcamp, let alone make it a way of life to be sociable. you cant force people to work for their success.
don't make it as if its some big secret.
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
@SixHonest most men do not have 24/7 to study pickup, they have jobs, and many men go to school. and even have children from failed relationships to care for. Second, most PUA's charge thousands of dollars and in some cases tens of thousands . THIRD. you do not have to study pickup 24/7 to get laid, you just need to get a life! even PUA's like sinn will tell you that. and last. many of these PUA's are simply con artist's who simply want to get paid. Like GUNWITCH for example.
mrcharles007 2 weeks ago
@mrcharles007 you dont have to do 24/7. the idea is you have to put time into it.
Which most men don’t, or givup on it when don’t see immidiate results.
As for getting a life, Ive seen guys who had life but didn’t get laid and were frustrated by their relationships with women.
But yes, the ones ive met who were quickly successful were the ones who had other parts of life in place already, ie: had a life.
They just needed to implement certain communication tools and mindsets with women and voila
SixHonest 2 weeks ago
@fidelbogen I agree and thought the same thing to an extent. MY thing about PUAs WAS that they were P-hole chasers anyway which I didn't agree with.
cjjaxxon 7 months ago
Pussy is overrated to say the least.
Sivels 7 months ago 6
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@Sivels I couldn't agree more. Like I always say, "There are sex slaves, and those who are slaves to sex itself."
blueshogun96 7 months ago 2
I recently had a short discussion on YT with a man promoting Game who said: "the amount of women a man can attract is a good measuring stick of how manly he is".
I refuted this saying that: "A man is no less of a man if he is not attractive to women."
From what I have read, PUA speak is not all bad regarding promoting men's self-development, but the overriding idea is that female interest is the primary validation of manhood and a man's happiness is tied to sex. Not so. That is flawed.
manwomanmyth 7 months ago 23
@manwomanmyth
i agree completely. if two different man says for example "divorce law hurts men" one is a virgin the other is not. is the one who has gotten laid any more correct?. judging men by the amount of females theyve had is in fact ceding control to women. these PUA types have some very striking resemblances to feminists especially when it comes to shaming tactics. who cares about sex with women when we dont even have freedom wtf?!
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 19
@manwomanmyth PUA- Obviously you've never got laid. Upon entering her liquid chasm, she bestows upon you all the sciences of the land & then some. Instantaneously man-hair sprouts from your chest & back and you inherit a swagger that even the black guy from old spice would envy. F a PhD, pussy is your validation. Whether it be quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, or hydrology, you now qualified to work in these fields. So dance, dance for your queen so she may bestow upon you her treasures...
FitnessGuru1988 7 months ago
@manwomanmyth
Thank you for saying this.
ScareCrow7272 7 months ago
another spot on comment by mr barb. pua does NOT equal mra. there is a disturbing trend in the blogosphere to equate one to the other. just because the pua doesnt kiss a chicks ass like society wants him to, dont make him an mra. IF his pua attitude is a disguised form of pussy-begging, then he'll still worship girls above his god and he'll still have no sense of justice, rightfulness, or brotherhood with his fellow man. THAT kind of pua has no more power over himself than a junkie on crack.
paragshah2112 7 months ago
It seems that roissy's blog has been deleted (that is the message I get when I tried to get onto the blog).
Perhaps your vid had an effect?
simonashari 7 months ago
I think you use quite a broad brush when describing Puas. Some puas teach that finding happiness from within and being fulfiilled with or without women is most important, women are actually just a result of having a "normal" life and liking yourself regardless of women. Guys that try and find themselves or get validation from sex and/or through women are pretty sad IMO, but everyone is entiteled to their own values and way of living, so I don't feel any need to judge that sort of behaviour.
Minkki82 7 months ago
@Minkki82
"but everyone is entiteled to their own values and way of living, so I don't feel any need to judge that sort of behaviour."
since this is a response to roissy's judgement of MGTOW, perhaps the PUA's should take some of your advice..
"women are actually just a result of having a "normal" life and liking yourself regardless of women."
your saying that anyone who likes themself without a woman isnt normal? please explain
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 3
@barbarossaaaa what I was commenting on was you saying puas in general think that men need sex from women.I just thought its pretty harsh to view everyone in that community as the same.what has resonated most with me from hearing self help talk is aiming to be someone who likes himself with or without others approval.Paradoxically,that type of guy will tend to be able to get women if he so chooses, because he doesnt need women. who or what "normal" is, is for everyone to decide for themselves.
Minkki82 7 months ago
@Minkki82
" who or what "normal" is, is for everyone to decide for themselves." i agree except we have a clear example of roissy telling MGTOW that since we have decided to define normal masculinity according to our own terms, it makes us "mating market losers" that type of gynocentric thought process is not welcome here because i feel it puts a mans worth at the discretion of women, and i will not tolerate it without rebuttal
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
@Minkki82 "Guys that try and find themselves or get validation from sex and/or through women are pretty sad IMO"
real pua teaching shatters this on the first day. i think we are talking about a certain type of pua, or a certain kind of personality, that would be digging in the pua material to find new ways to be the same asshole. that guy isnt an mra, he's just the lab rat that went in tunnel B instead of tunnel Y. he is noticed. he is a curiousity. but he's still just a lab rat in captivity.
paragshah2112 7 months ago
@paragshah2112 Thanks for clarifying. On the first day, PUA teaches not to put women on the pedestal. On the first day, it teaches men to play "hard-to-get." On the first day, it teaches men to be decisive and not put others first. And on the first day, it teaches men how to use their body language and voice to fake their confidence.
But Barbarossaaaa wasn't talking about that. He was talking about those PUA ideologies which redefine masculinity in accordance to a womans' sexual preferences.
municipalmutualist 7 months ago
@m true. real pua teachings empower men to get what they want, how they want it, and really puts the control of that valve in the man's hands. its not a toy.
if you see my other comments here, i was referring to the "gynocentric douchebag pua" (for lack of a term), as was barb. 500 char is a thin line to navigate lol
the knowledge-base of pua tecahings is just applied nlp. its how these d-bags use it thats the problem. like in everything, there are those shitheads that are gonna abuse power.
paragshah2112 7 months ago
@Minkki82 "Some puas teach that finding happiness from within and being fulfiilled with or without women is most important, women are actually just a result of having a "normal" life and liking yourself regardless of women."
And who defines what a "normal" life is? It is defined by those women themselves! A "normal" life, defined by those women, is having a "high status job" and "taking care of yourself" by working out or dressing well. "Fashion" is conflated with "personal development."
municipalmutualist 7 months ago
@Minkki82 What bothers me is that the PUA community rehearse things such as:
"Be a man, and you will get laid."
"Real men take care of themselves."
"Real men don't share his feelings."
"Real men aren't critical of women."
"Real men don't get angry."
"Real men are respected by society."
They conflate "masculinity" with the "alpha male." For instance, they imply that "alpha males are real men." Does it mean "beta males are NOT real men"?
But who defines "alpha male"? Women do.
municipalmutualist 7 months ago 3
@municipalmutualist Dude if that is what is being taught , well that is pretty ridiculous. I think bettering yourself and your life is a good thing, and you yourself determine what constitutes a worth while cause in your life. If its trying to pick up chicks then so be it. And you cant hate the business, because the supply will generally come if there is a demand. But good if you dislike those priciples, they sound like shit.a man should determine what a real man is by a critirea of his his own
Minkki82 7 months ago
Fuck PUA's. On second thought, I'm glad these fuckin' losers are around.
They take the American Whore's attention away from me,
Thank you PUA for dating that Ameriskank from work who's been bugging me all this time for a date. You can have that worthless animal (FYI: the female gender is basically worthless. I have explained this before in my previous comments).
Thank you PUA for sleeping with the American Whore. That should keep them satisfied. Then maybe, they will keep off my back.
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago
PUAs aren't alpha. Napoleon was an alpha... a PUA is the millions of men he sent off to die. They're omega's and nothing more. They're special.... just like everybody else.
wigglewaggleify 7 months ago 3
Agreed Barb!!!! and those guys calling theme selves "alpha males", if your so "alpha" and you can do anything, go live in the Kalahari Desert for a few weeks in the summer with no water..see how "alpha" you are then.
k5lta 7 months ago
Wow! Dude. You just earned by subscription. Preach it, brother!
jungleman606 7 months ago
I agree with everything you say, except one thing, just one. It's the term "sleep with", this has bugged me since I was a child, as I knew what it meant then :)
6oodfella 7 months ago
Fuck you women (specially the American Whore aka American Woman)!!!
I'm gonna be straight to the point. No bullshits. No twists.
YOU ARE BIOLOGICALLY INFERIOR TO MEN.
So unless you start getting in the ring and fight the mike tysons and dela hoya's, you are inferior to us.
You are not our equal!!!
Get that fact through your thick skulls!
Your delusions are so pitiful.
You don't even contribute anything to our society.
GET TO WORK, YOU LAZY WORTHLESS STUCK-UP PRINCESSES!!!
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago 2
I'm an MGTOW who gets lots of attention from women. I'm 29, in good shape, and have money. I've had tons of sex throughout my 20's with gorgeous women.
I took a break from dating back in 2008 and never went back to it. Women are too much trouble. I've been rediscovering my interests as a human being, exploring my goals, planning my future. Finding the MGTOW movement helped me realize that there are other guys out there who value freedom over sex, as barbarossaaaa rightly points out.
bvannie93 7 months ago 3
@Wytchfinde
I heard that Mystery got married. I wonder who was the PUA there.
Gootothesecond 7 months ago
@Gootothesecond
Touche on that., heh.
Wytchfinde 7 months ago
Good point. Being a PUA is pointless. Why do you need to have game just to pickup women with your "game" comes naturally to you over time? You don't need to use some lame pickup lines and over the top gimmicks just to get women attracted to you when all you have to do is be yourself and the confidence you exude as a result is what attracts them. Being a PUA is also downright pussybegging just like you put it in your old video on alpha males and PBeggars.
MarkTheGreat555666 7 months ago
I've heard my friends speak volumes about PUA literature. My original contentions were the same as yours. Willingness to bend to the whims of vacuous harlots will not get you sex much less any respect. When I discovered Roissy's literature I found that his articles discuss the issues of misandry in Western culture and how it has contributed its dilapidation. I see game is an protection against the socially accepted assault on men when applied sagaciously.
paingain100 7 months ago
@paingain100
i disagree sites like AVFM discuss misandry in western culture, much more extensively and accurately than any roissy post ive ever seen, the few discussion on misandry that i see from him are all gynocentric capitulations. game and his entire blog is female centered. sure game might help you get laid but it perpetuates and functions according to the whims of a gynocentric model of thought
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 3
@barbarossaaaa
"game and his entire blog is female centered."
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AMEN... I remember, I used to visit this PUA board, sosuave_com. The website is entirely gynocentric. It was only on poster on that site, whose mindset wasn't totally gynocentric.
But this is why I don't focus on MGTOW anymore either... BOTH are the same model... a whole bunch of men gathering to talk about women... PUA's talk about getting women, MRA's talking about how bad women are.
marcdaddy33 7 months ago 3
Part 2
It IS possible for men to gather without actually having women as the subject of the conversation.
Don't get me wrong, the men's rights movement is ABSOULTELY important...and even game has it's uses, so long as it isn't used merely to have sex... but always talking about women feeds into the feminine conceit that a man CANNOT live without women.
marcdaddy33 7 months ago
@marcdaddy33 "It IS possible for men to gather without actually having women as the subject of the conversation."
No. We must keep on hammering into women's thick skulls that they are not men's equal.
They never are and never will.
Biologically and psychologically, it is impossible for them to be at men's level.
By showing them their rightful place in society, then maybe, they start acting like stuck-up princesses, and work.
WE NEED TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST WITH WOMEN. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago
"It IS possible for men to gather without actually having women as the subject of the conversation."
No. We must keep on hammering into women's thick skulls that they are not men's equal.
They never are and never will.
Biologically and psychologically, it is impossible for them to be at men's level.
By showing them their rightful place in society, then maybe, they will STOP acting like stuck-up princesses, and work.
WE NEED TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST WITH WOMEN. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa I agree that sites like AVFM provide a more elaborate discourse on misandry in our culture. Game may appear to be just about changing your persona to suit women, but I have learned that it is also about social interaction and its roots in biological impulse. As of now any man who isn't an A-list celebrity is a potential rapist to women and a losing competitor in the eyes of men, and this "Alpha" non sense perpetuates that. Learning to establish proper rapport can mitigate this.
paingain100 7 months ago
@paingain100
its not the " getting laid less vs. getting laid more ", or even the " i may be a jerk but i'm a jerk that gets laid " attitudes that makes someone an asshole ... its the fact that sex is the driving pulse to that person's life, that makes him an asshole.
its the sheer deplorability of having such a gynocentric center-of-being, that makes someone an asshole.
paragshah2112 7 months ago
It's easy for a guy who's 40+ years old and who's been fucking chicks all throughout his young years and lost his sex drive to say "NO MOAR" But it's a bit different for young guys like me, who still have that strong drive to stick it in every wet hole he can find.
Gendo3s2k 7 months ago
@Gendo3s2k
how old are you? im 27, which isnt terribly young or old, but even when i was 19 i knew the value of resisting pussy, and i also knew that PUA's where generally full of crap. i assure you none of this ever stopped me from getting laid, even today
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 16
@barbarossaaaa PUA- Obviously you've never got laid. Upon entering her liquid chasm, she bestows upon you all the sciences of the land & then some. Instantaneously man-hair sprouts from your chest & back and you inherit a swagger that even the black guy from old spice would envy. F a PhD, pussy is your validation. Whether it be quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, or hydrology, you now qualified to work in these fields. So dance, dance for your queen so she may bestow upon you her treasures...
FitnessGuru1988 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa If you're still a virgin past 25, you're done.
Make no mistake, the Compassionate Gender would much rather get herpes, syphilis, and genital warts all @ once than to even TOUCH the vile specimen that is the elder male virgin.
They might give the male virgin a chance if he's about twenty or younger due his youth & inexperience but past that age, the only action a male virgin'll get is with a whore, a transvestite, another man, or Rosie Palms.
sigmaK9 7 months ago 2
@Gendo3s2k Do you really think it is all that different? Do you really think your dick falls off after the age of 40? I am not a PUA and I agree with everything that Barb says in this vid. But, I must say as a man whom has just turned 40 that pathetic ideas about age and sex are really stupid and most honest girls will tell you that. But you seem to be fooled. Too bad for you. Just this week I fucked a 27 year old and a 50 year old. It wasn't by being a PUA. It was by being myself.
roharatube 7 months ago
@Gendo3s2k I'm a 28 yr old, healthy male with a stable job. I have a strong drive to stick my penis inside a vagina. But I don't go out pussy begging like you do.
Women should be the one begging for my penis, because they are biologically and emotionally inferior to me. I don't need them. They need me. That is a philosophy that doesn't prevent me from getting laid.
Pussybegging is not the only way to get laid.
Re assess your priorities, man.
BetaDeltaCebu 7 months ago
@BetaDeltaCebu Dude, you don't even know me.
Gendo3s2k 7 months ago
I dont know whats sadder the pua's or the women who agree with them
crh2010 7 months ago
There are ways to protect yourself from FRA and knocking up bitches I keep a voice recorder, and make sure to not give them my real name, not take them to my apt, and take them somewhere with videocameras. and while I'm not a PUA, I have studied them and I do see them as just as valid as any MGTOW. Both ideologies have the purpose of giving power back to men, but in different ways.
Also, it does seem that a good number of the MGTOW are the old, undesirable dudes who couldn't get any anyway.
Gendo3s2k 7 months ago
@Gendo3s2k
"Also, it does seem that a good number of the MGTOW are the old, undesirable dudes who couldn't get any anyway."
i do here a lot of PUA's say this, and its funny that they do especially when they need to go to a website blog in order to learn how to get laid. i suspect most PUA's arent getting laid as much as they say they are. also that sounds like a lot of work to get laid. hidden video cameras? thats whats required to bang unfamiliar sluts? no thanks
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago 9
@barbarossaaaa not hidden cameras, but somewhere like a gas station to get gas, or breakfast at a restaurant
Gendo3s2k 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa
I have to agree. If these PUAs are getting tail on the time, why are they such post whores and online all the time? I'm no big fan of Mystery, but (at least) he's made himself known if anything else.
And yeah, if it takes tons of work to get laid, it loses its appeal to a large extent.
Wytchfinde 7 months ago
@Gendo3s2k
Are you sure you're not a feminist? In my own case, I lost my virginity years ago and still attract women, although I don't claim to be Adonis. The problem is quality women the US; the good ones are typically taken and in the scant minority. If you shunt the onus on men all the time, you have a lot to learn about MGTOW still. Why bother be with a walking train wreck when you can be single and have your self-respect?
Wytchfinde 7 months ago
As I stated once before, I went through a 5 year period WITHOUT a gf or sex! Not because I wasn't getting offers, but because the city I lived in was the whore/slut capital of the US! You know what? I was perfectly happy! When I was broke, I still had women offering me sex, doing my laundry and bringin' me lunch at work. I didn't have to spend a dime on ANY of them. Be a man! You will find women will lay offerings at YOUR feet to earn YOUR approval! Pussy is very nice, but not needed!
rang3r34 7 months ago
My sentiments, exactly.
mantleofvalor 7 months ago
Another GREAT vid! I have ALWAYS thought this way on male-female relationships. Men should NEVER let a woman judge your value by your clothes, car, financial status or other. You DON'T need to buy a $300 dollar Abercrombie & Bitch shirt to be popular. I went through a period where I lived in a run-down motel had no car and had a decent, but low paying job. Guess what? I still got laid. Why? Cause I didn't give a shit about impressing females and demanded respect regardless of how little I had.
rang3r34 7 months ago
PUA < PORN
mulonzee877 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
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Eincrou 7 months ago
I follow both AVFM, roissy's blog and your channel. I find them all enjoyable and informative. Much of what all 3 have to say on feminism and false rape accusations are similar if not the same.
I think the problem here is that roissy has mistaken MGTOW as searing to remain celibate (I'm pretty sure that isn't the case).
You've been releasing a heap of vids lately, they've all been really good. Keep up the good work.
simonashari 7 months ago
Wow, I didn't even know they were saying that bs about us. Great rebuttal to their accusations and awesome video as usual. I always look forward to hearing your point of view on this sort of thing.
vention4wh 7 months ago
barbarossa: I've followed almost all of your videos, and agree with you on a great deal, but I don't understand this. What's wrong with trying to learn game and use it to get pussy? I'm a young guy, and why wouldn't I want to increase my chances of getting laid? Sex is a big part of men's psychological and physiological health.
stared9 7 months ago
@stared9 theres nothing wrong with getting laid, once again i have no problem with that. ill let you in a a little secret. you will get laid as much as you want once you learn how to stop giving a shit about getting laid and what women want. you dont need this retarded game nonsense.
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa I don't think men understand that women are just as intrigued by men as much as they are to women. You don't need any game to get a female. Simply act like pussy is just pussy and you will eventually hit that shit down the road. Its not something that's impossible to get. Once you get thirsty for it guess what. You've just given away your freedom. Men shouldn't beg or pursue pussy. It just makes you thirsty not masculine.
revemupman 7 months ago
@stared9 Im 31 , pua, does help in this society , I wish I had allot of this stuff 10 years ago, dont let anyone tell you otherwise
Zac6230 7 months ago
@Zac6230
"Im 31 , pua, does help in this society" what exactly does it help you do? get laid? ive never studied game, why do i and many others that dont need a blog to tell them how to walk talk and act still get laid? i act according to my own interests game never helped me get laid im living proof of its uselessness "I got no game, it's just some bitches understand my story" ~nas
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
@stared9 Go 2 all the vids on YouTube where women r screaming about child support. They say over & over, If you gonna play u gotta pay. While u r out there gaming, some gal is putting crosshairs on u & u will become the game because the lucrative corrupt divorce/support industry needs somebody 2 pay those judge's pensions & country club dues. Divorce & support & DV & false rape & women's shelters r huge multi-billion dollar industries that need to be fed. B cautious, some pussy could ruin life.
MLJ1219 7 months ago
@MLJ1219 B cautious, some pussy could ruin life.
Very true on that account.
Wytchfinde 7 months ago
PUA is a lot of fucking work with little reward. Like barb mentioned in his previous video, women don't have to do ANYTHING to make themselves more quality for us, but we have to cater ourselves specifically to skanks to get laid. Why drink from a poisoned chalice just because some dumb PUA tells you you're beta if you dont? Yes it is natural to want sex, but when you have dedicated all of your spare time to pussy then you've given in to feminized culture and compromised your integrity.
MrManiacPsycho 7 months ago 2
@MrManiacPsycho Exactly. A PUA might as well tell their sheep to be willing to rewire themselves insides and out just to attract a woman. Any man who falls for their idea of what an Alpha is, is pathetic. Because of all this PUA nonsense and western decline, the TRUE definition of an alpha has been lost and twisted.
DeadSleepers 7 months ago
@MrManiacPsycho
couldnt have said it better myself. these losers that try to shame men if they arent obsessed with the most diseased skanks in the world (western women) are nothing but enemies of men.
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
You knocked it out of the park .
UcanbeGOD 7 months ago
Goddamn this is why I love, love, love BEING A MAN. @Barbarossaaaa for PRESIDENT.
tttkill 7 months ago 2
Hell yeah when you're in prison for a rape you didn't commit what does the game manual say then other than don't drop the soap bunch of suckers.
harr77 7 months ago 2
what a pile of shit riossy is, oh no wait.. thats insulting shit.
Shit can be used as fertiliser, pua's are useless.
galenwolf 7 months ago
@galenwolf
they are.. literally a bunch of pseudo-intellectual fake players that probably dont even get laid as nearly as often as they claim. these are the only men that i will judge by how much pussy they (probably dont) get. because they see it as the end all be all for male worth. incredible losers these PUA's
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa sorry to ask bro, but whats an MRA?
lee0nline1 7 months ago
@lee0nline1
Mens Rights Activist as opposed to PUA's Pick up artists. they practice game in order to have sex with western women
barbarossaaaa 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa thanks, i already knew what a PUA was, i've read strauss's book
lee0nline1 7 months ago
@barbarossaaaa No doubt, they don't realise how low their measurement of standards even are. They judge a mans worth on his ability to stick his dick in one or more of the 3 BILLION vaginas around the world. They might as well judge carbon to be a rare element to build a personal fortune on... its stupid.
There are many worthy things to use to build worth on such as ones ability to perform science, literature, music, art, trade skills, knowledge, their kids.. and they choose pussy?! Weak.
galenwolf 7 months ago