"Why would we change the definition of marriage to accomodate a lifestyle choice."
Ok Wendy, I'm 15 and gay. I know for a fact it is not a "lifestyle choice". If I want to get married in the future, it's cunts like you that are holding us back.
This is a pretty weak debate on both sides... it just seems like they're both bickering...
but I LOVE Fiona she has such a real down to Earth vibe about her, and that Wendy woman is a rat... what a narrow minded, dangerous and ignorant woman
You have to be stoned on the election day to vote for the Australian Sex party right? I wonder if the Sex parties leader would go and out be a prostitute "wolf whistle''
Haha the Family First website had said that they clearly won the debate - I guess Wendy as a typical self-righteous Christian was completely oblivious to the fact that she totally had her arse handed to her by Fiona and the Australian Sex Party
I forgot how much I love this discussion. Brilliant example of blind conservatism versus rational thinking.
"Well, I think it's a free society" - Wendy makes it crystal clear repeatedly that her arguments are easily rendered invalid. The fact that Fiona laughs in her face on several occasions makes me so fucking happy.
Its not like anyone is asking you to enter into a 'gay marriage,' simply to let people of the same gender get married. Just because you're gay doesnt mean you cant feel the same amount of love for someone. Laws against same sex marriages are completely unjust, and should be disregarded
The amended 'Marriage act' of 2004 states: “Marriage, means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life."
So... divorce is illegal? 'For life' would indicate so.
Second, gay marriage was permissable historically, over 600 years ago under the term 'Brotherment'.
I'm just going to go stick my head in a toilet until the stupid woman goes away. Congratulations Family First, you just lost every vote from every Australian.
If Wendy wants people to take her seriously, she needs to stop talking. I have never seen someone shoot themselves in the foot so much in one interview. I'm embarassed for her.
I've never heard such ignorant, 'stick my fingers in my ears and yell' rubbish than I have from the Family First woman. Sweet Christ she is incompetent.
Also i quote from her "I think this is a free society" If this is a "free society" then why do we have to regulate TV, advertisements, the internet etc. She is just contradicting herself. Yes the greens aren't trying to help Australia at all! They only put the carbon tax in place to reduce polution and in the long run help our enviromrnt. But okay wendy thats just them promoting themselves. And of course she would be in favour of Tony Abbot; they speak the same language: Dick head.
Wendy is a complete idiot. We shouldnt change the laws of marrige because it has been that way for a long time?? So we shouldnt have changed the white Australia policy, because it was in place for a long time? We shouldn't have changed child labour laws because they were in place for a long time?? Part of the reason society works so well is because it is constantly changing.
I wish they would both shut the heck up when the other one is talking! That's incredibly rude and makes them look ten times worse. This debate is a joke.
"I have to explain to my children things they encounter in the world". Well fuck, who knew being a parent involved responsibility and work? If you want to shield your child from everything you disapprove of in the world, don't have kids. Get a goldfish instead.
Nope, I'm an atheist. Wotanism (as opposed to Odinism - I know same guy, different name) carries racial overtones (at least in North America) that I'm also not into. But thanks for the compliment. Cheers.
The Marriage Act in Australia, written in 1961 (50 years ago...) defines marriage as: "The union between a man and a woman entered into for life, to the exclusion of all others." That means divorce should not exist as an institution and cheating should be illegal and punishable by law, if we decide to read the marriage act as black and white as FF appears to do.
Also, the point of Democracy is being able to change/reform/make laws based on the majority - the majority want gay marriage!!! NOW!
Me: AHAHAHAHA!!!! Yes because if people weren't married, we would all be doomed D: How could we function?! Love would not exist, hell would descend! OMG Noo!
That "Wendy" is dangerous. Since when is being gay a choice ?
And since when has the institution of marriage been "normal?" It is more normal to have divorced parents these days. The definition of family has changed.
The best thing about Family First is that they prove just how stupid they are every time they open their mouths. They are absolutely terrible, objectionable people with terrible and objectionable ideals.
Keep things how they always were??!! Blacks would be slaves, 12 year old girls would still be sold to 50 year old men, women and children would be allowed to be openly beaten to a pulp! Torture would still be a punishment for things like stealing! An adult should be able to watch whatever they like in their own home as long as it's legal, if you have children then go to your Internet options and filter them!
OH HEY JUST GONNA BE A WOMAN AND SAY THAT TRADITION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EQUALITY WHILST TOTALLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY I"M CURRENTLY NOT A SLAVE IN THE KITCHEN OR THE LAUNDRY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID "FUCK TRADITION" AND GAVE WOMEN EQUALITY.
Regarding Wendy's argument at 4:25: That is the oldest argument against equality. Why change the status quo. I'm not affected so I don't care. Why do women, black people, immigrants, anyone not white and middle class and male. Why change?
Wendy is not a good Christian - bitchy, sarcastic, exclusive, rude. She also recently blatantly lied recently over a highly homophobic tweet. Love how atheist Fiona doesn't bring herself down to that low, catty high school level.
Her principle argument as well is that heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time. Slavery was around for a long time, too. That didn't make it right.
Australian Sex Party is easily the most non-discriminative party in Australia! I voted for them in the last election based purely on the fact that they want an 18+ Rating for Video Games in Australia.
7:35 LOL WHAT??? No same sex marriage, censoring billboards, internet filter, and then you have the nerve to say that? Who the hell votes for this family first party?
@encomiastic You're such an idiot. Marriage is NOT a religious ceremony! Marriage was around BEFORE religion... You probably think Christmas and Easter shouldn't be celebrated by atheists too, don't you? Well guess what, they are pagan festivals, so suck on that. Go do some research please.
Except what is run in Australia is quiet obviously a religious ceremony. Unless you're going to argue that, your point is moot. The way society takes marriage is as a religious ceremony.
I'm also not religious so your silly little tirade is wrong. Have fun pretending you're a progressive intellectual stamp seller.
@encomiastic I've been to a heap of non religious marriage ceremonies in Aus.. not sure what you're talking about. We have celebrants that give out marriage licences for a reason.
Most of the marriages I've been to have been done by a civil celebrant. It may very well be based off a religious ceremony, but the religion has been removed. There is no prayer, no religious text and it isn't done before any god or deity.
As a member of our society, as are those people who are married, we don't take it as a religious ceremony.
You know, paganism is a variation of religion. It is originally used pejoratively, but it really is just a label for older & different forms of religion. Based on that, atheists still wouldn't be able to celebrate it because it is for different gods.
@buffy1rox The Western World is a hangover from the Roman Empire, which became the "Holy Roman Empire" around 300AD (or 300CE for non-christians). Many laws and such are based on Judeo-christian teachings or traditions. Also Christian traditions are based on Roman pagan traditions (eg Easter Eggs and such from northern hemisphere spring fertility rites.
Anyway, contemporary Australian marriage is a Christian tradition, historically. Marriages were performed as a religious ceremony.
@Phool66 what does marriage have to do the "Christian message"? if it was about the "Christian message" would you outlaw Jewish people, for example, getting married?
People can choose whether or not they have a religious ceremony or not, a marriage is not about religion, Atheists get married all the time.
Lmao im not against gays being couples they just can't get married..... its been like that forever why change it... Ok if that was our logic you women would have no say in anything you would not be allowed to vote you would still be staying at home cooking and cleaning it was like that up until the 50's why change it??? Your argument is BS
I am NOT saying that gay couples WOULD have an abnormal/negative effect of a child's psycho/emotional development. I am saying that it is a VERY real possibility that should be explored before jumping into it. Stop fucking twisting my words. You're all acting very immature for people so desperately concerned with gay rights.
Before you use the argument that we need to explore the risks of gay parenting before "jumping into it", you should know that the psychosocial effects of having homosexual parents have already been empirically investigated quite thoroughly and overwhelmingly support the scientific consensus that there are no ill effects psychologically, socially, emotionally, intellectually, or physically.
@domvasta Have you SEEN that "one-room apartment"?!! Have you been to Vatican City?! Do you think that shiny stuff all over the ceilings is just paint? And you know that the sworn-to-poverty (supposedly) & thus poor, long-suffering il Papa only wears silk upon his not even remotely infallible person, right?! How that 'helps' anyone BUT HIM is beyond me! But yes, they help ~ inquisitions, crusades, witch-hunts, the demonisation of Woman, the "Buybull" ... yeah, we really needed those things.
@Ansett76 Ha ha ha! Ansett76, you have a naughty sense of humour -- I love it! Spoken as one who might know? :) (sorry, couldn't resist!). But whether yay or nay, you're right -- she is SO uptight, she must be TOTALLY bent, yeah?! And DESPERATELY trying to hide it from her church Mother's Club of course!
So, with that user-name were you a "hostie" for Ansett or what? Or dare I say it thweet-heart, a stewardess?! :D (Said with nothing but smiles mate).
and do you know why Loribyn is a douche....cause she cares so much about the ASP. which is obviously shit....its led by a *cough* woman.....and its lame...........only hippy wieners and homosexuals/lesbians vote for the ASP...because they're gay (i meant gay in both terms)
@mdccc20000 You're right, I DO care! VERY much. But not for the ASP itself, but for EVERYTHING for which they stand. It's funny, my parents voted for the ASP, as did I ~ one of them is 71, the other 62, both of them respected elders; and none of us are homosexual ... but then, do we have to be to care about equal rights for ALL people? Or is that concept beyond your comprension?
If that makes us "douches" in your assessment, I accept your definition. Douches of the world unite!
@Loribyn As for "hippy", yeah, you're probably right :). Do you know what a "hippy" is? What they believe in, what they stand for, & how they live? Or is that too beyond you?
It's "obviously shit"?! Oh, spoken like a TRUE ignoramus, who has NO idea of about what he/she is talking. And "lame"?! I know Americans have a whole other English, but forgive me, do you even know what "lame" means? Or are you again merely using idiom? (Though the concept of a "lame douche" is rather amusing).
@mdccc20000 Oooh, you're not quite all there, are you? "Fags" can't get jobs ...?! ... never heard that one before.
Pardon the profanity, but, no, no, no - you've got it all wrong - The Australian Sex Party wants to up Australia's fucking, not to fuck up Australia ... there is quite a difference you know. Or is it that YOU fuck up those things you fuck? Which would be fuck all, I'd think. Ahh ... fuck me!?
@mdccc20000 Awh, what's the matter mdccc2000? No sense of humour, huh? (And shouldn't it be MDCCC? But then, it's only the year 2011 because of -... why was that again? Seeing he was born in 6 BC, I mean? In March no less ... never have figured that one out.
BTW, do you even know what a douche is dear? Can't say I fit the job-description ... although ... :)
Didn't my comment give ANYONE a smile, even a little one?
Thumbs up if you think I'm NOT a "douche", or whatever.
@Loribyn mdccc2000 stands for mini danger chris chris chris....and the account was crated in the year 2000.....you are such a douche.....just like john edwards. lol "Didn't my comment give ANYONE a smile, even a little one? Thumbs up if you think I'm NOT a "douche", or whatever." LOLOLOL!!!! man, only a douche would say that.....and what, did you go an create an account and thumbs uop yourself....hang on...no1 thumb up'd you....douche
@poopydoolarr00 Okay, I couldn't leave this one alone ... Re your comments on "poo pushing" (what is this, Grade 2?!): what about straight people who like anal-sex, would you include them in your statements? Or is it okay as long as you're straight? If it is according to you, how can you possibly justify that, because the act is the same, merely the participants differ; & if not, why not? And regarding your "most folks", would you quote your statistcs on that pls ~ including your source.
@phantomtalon556 Actually, that's not correct -- the latest psychological research shows that children of a homosexual couple (of any kind) are way ahead of the child from the so-called "average family", in almost every respect ~ in social-skills & development; school performance; sheer IQ & what might be called EQ, & many other areas. The studies show that there is something about a "gay" environment that is in fact remarkably beneficial to children. Why don't you look it up for yourself.
@Loribyn Want to link me some resources? I am interested in seeing the results. and would the people replying to my comments PLEASE stop making out as if I am some horrible homophobic bastard. I am GENUINELY worried about the well-being of the coming generations. Prove to me that it has no abnormal effect on the emotion/psychological development of children, and I will be more than happy to accept it!
@phantomtalon556 stop going to church. That should allay any fears.I worry about people telling teenagers it's 'wrong' and 'against god'. Teenagers are committing suicide over this and yet you seem to want to perpetuate this myth of it being a choice? WTF? Why would anyone want to choose a life where you are constantly ridiculed and judged and dont have the same basic rights as everyone else? You should be more worried of the shallowness of society, religion and whats on TV affecting kids.
I haven't been to church in years. I made the decision myself that an organized religion does more harm than good and that I would not be serving any righteous purpose if I was part of the monster called Catholicism.
Also, I don't remember suggesting that one's natural sexual orientation is a choice that one makes. I am only suggesting that I've not heard of any research to confirm or dispel the reasonable possibility that having parents of homosexual orientation may effect psyc/emo health of the child in question
@phantomtalon556 no different to any straight couple, the same used to be said about single parents years ago and what a load of crap that was. As long as a child is loved, not abused and has acess to education and health...what more does a kid need.With all the shit that happens in this world today this should be the least of everyones problems. So many kids worldwide are born and tossed aside and need good homes. How can having two loving parents have a detrimental affect on a childs psyche?
@phantomtalon556 Sorry I didn't get back to you - have been busy - but most of the sources I read are not online -- they're in the medical/psychiatry literature. Go to your local state and/or university library and look it up. Gay-rights activist websites will give various sources, but again you'll find most of them are not online.
@ahheadlock Well I don't know how she'd feel about it, but I love the idea. Can we start with her, huh, can we, can we, please, just this once, huh can we!? :)
@jackwhipme Great stuff! But yep, it's free ~ for anyone just like her, according to her, and according to her that's just the way it should be. Ogh pleeeees!?
But like I always say: Family First?! Yeah right, ONLY so long as your family is EXACTLY like theirs.
@jackwhipme It's funny how Fiona says its a free society, then Wendy opposes her stance... but when her interest is threatened she becomes a hypocrite and uses the same argument "It's a free society"....
VERY ODD...
Then claims that all the parties are acting out in thier own interests and thus she believes hers isn't.
ODD THAT TOO...
Some people are just plain stupid and ignorant... but to be proud and arrogant of it is dangerous to society...
@jackwhipme Great comment! But Jack I think you'd be horrified to know just HOW correct that really is -- I know I was! Look it up my friend -- that mob should terrify us ALL.
Bloody hell...I wish people/politicians would stop deciding their policies on Human Rights and social rights based on polls! Equality and compensation for past inequality should be the standard on which all politicians base their social policies. I'm sure if you polled white people 200 years ago on slavery, the majority would have supported it, same issue with women's right to vote.
Errr no. The vast majority of Australians are non practicing Catholics. Note the non practicing. We have religious fundies, but they are seen as such and have no credibility (the family first party got something like 1% of the vote in the last election)
Our prime minister is a unwed, childless, openly atheist woman who is living with her boyfriend. Do you think this would ever be possible in America?
@NewarkWilder1 Thats a pretty big claim there. I'd love to see a study backing that up. Our society is quite secular. We don't have dumb-arse debates about creationism in schools and we certainly don't have prayer-ins for candidates. Even the Mad Monk tries to keep his religious views out of sight.
"Homosexuality is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce." - John Boswell (paraphrasing Plato), 1979
Isn't it ironic that politicians that use faith as the basis for their ideas have a similar disposition to communists? I have nothing against communism but I just couldn't help notice this. Communism is anti-religious, and herein lies the irony.
Was agreeing with Fiona up until she said she would like to see Julia Gillard as PM solely for the fact that she's female. For a woman who says she strives for equality, how can she be so blatently sexist?
you know, when i first heard about the sex party, i expected it to be a bit of a joke. how woefully ignorant of me. this video just convinced me that i should be voting for the sex party from now on. This representitive is a breath of fresh air in politics for me. shes freakin so calm and collective and rational. this is what we need.
@myth8745 Check out the policy statements Myth8745 -- I think you'll be impressed, and pleasantly suprised. For Fiona and her team are more than just a breath of fresh air ... a lot more. When I first heard the name I thought the same as you, but like you, then I heard Fiona speak, and I knew I had to look into it in more depth. I'd been looking for a party to join and support and for whom to volunteer for a long, long time - all my life - and ASP was the FIRST one worthy of it.
All I have to ask is how did someone like her get into a position of power? I think I'm smarter than her, and I'm not that bright! Lol.
homoboi000 2 weeks ago
"Why would we change the definition of marriage to accomodate a lifestyle choice."
Ok Wendy, I'm 15 and gay. I know for a fact it is not a "lifestyle choice". If I want to get married in the future, it's cunts like you that are holding us back.
delibird741 3 weeks ago
This family first lady is an embarrassment to any sane and rational Christian in politics.
MisterSandman009 3 weeks ago
Won't somebody please think of the children?!
philosophermike 1 month ago
This is a pretty weak debate on both sides... it just seems like they're both bickering...
but I LOVE Fiona she has such a real down to Earth vibe about her, and that Wendy woman is a rat... what a narrow minded, dangerous and ignorant woman
TheMjb2010 1 month ago
the sex party is a little impartial and bias i mean cmon my sister gay who cares
crisDAwog 1 month ago
WTF Wendy, SHUTUP!!!!!
kugd2 1 month ago
Has this woman seen tv lately?? Also, this woman denies equality to a minority group (gay) Who is devaluing humans again??
randomaussiegurl1 2 months ago
fucking shoot that homophobic disgusting opinionated bigot!!
BradleyDunn14 2 months ago
That not true x100000000000000
Ruralrandom 3 months ago
What freaks me out is that Christian bitch looks a bit like Catherine Tate.
VensoHowlie 3 months ago
shove your billboard in your pussy then up your ass
bigjosh36 3 months ago
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JillyBeansBill123 3 months ago
Fiona Patten = EPIC! Wendy Francis = Cunt.
poisonluke8 3 months ago
I love Fiona Patten, she's great. Can't wait to see her talk some sense into Family First again tomorrow!
pseudoado12 3 months ago
Every time she says 'Ostraaya' I want to stab the screen.
arkabo21 3 months ago 3
This is the greatest moment in australian politics.
meatballdude2 3 months ago 2
You have to be stoned on the election day to vote for the Australian Sex party right? I wonder if the Sex parties leader would go and out be a prostitute "wolf whistle''
satojinnthehero 3 months ago
Haha the Family First website had said that they clearly won the debate - I guess Wendy as a typical self-righteous Christian was completely oblivious to the fact that she totally had her arse handed to her by Fiona and the Australian Sex Party
darcyzscarecrow 4 months ago 2
I forgot how much I love this discussion. Brilliant example of blind conservatism versus rational thinking.
"Well, I think it's a free society" - Wendy makes it crystal clear repeatedly that her arguments are easily rendered invalid. The fact that Fiona laughs in her face on several occasions makes me so fucking happy.
Nitruix 4 months ago 3
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bachmann4president 4 months ago
Its not like anyone is asking you to enter into a 'gay marriage,' simply to let people of the same gender get married. Just because you're gay doesnt mean you cant feel the same amount of love for someone. Laws against same sex marriages are completely unjust, and should be disregarded
CruelTemptation 4 months ago 3
Third, the original meaning of marriage, as dictated by its origin, is also 'to impregenate'.
Infertile couples and those who choose not to have kids, YOU are changing the definition of marriage.
It's amazing what a little bit of research can turn up...
CruelTemptation 4 months ago
@CruelTemptation
Marriage act was amended in 2004 by the Howard Government to specify the 'Man and a Woman' bit.
Novgov 3 months ago
Gay Marriage? (reposted)
The amended 'Marriage act' of 2004 states: “Marriage, means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life."
So... divorce is illegal? 'For life' would indicate so.
Second, gay marriage was permissable historically, over 600 years ago under the term 'Brotherment'.
Hmm.. so we move backwards.
CruelTemptation 4 months ago
I'm just going to go stick my head in a toilet until the stupid woman goes away. Congratulations Family First, you just lost every vote from every Australian.
FrightenedFart 4 months ago
........ way to go mel. able to keep that .... exchange? debate? calm and collected.
Leachie 5 months ago
If Wendy wants people to take her seriously, she needs to stop talking. I have never seen someone shoot themselves in the foot so much in one interview. I'm embarassed for her.
missfilby 5 months ago 2
Did that sex party woman say "voluntary euthanasia"?? WTF?
ladyraze 5 months ago
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MrMartena56 5 months ago
I've never heard such ignorant, 'stick my fingers in my ears and yell' rubbish than I have from the Family First woman. Sweet Christ she is incompetent.
JasonBlockley 5 months ago 3
The Family First lady is an embarrasment to Australian politics.
emzib13 5 months ago 13
Also i quote from her "I think this is a free society" If this is a "free society" then why do we have to regulate TV, advertisements, the internet etc. She is just contradicting herself. Yes the greens aren't trying to help Australia at all! They only put the carbon tax in place to reduce polution and in the long run help our enviromrnt. But okay wendy thats just them promoting themselves. And of course she would be in favour of Tony Abbot; they speak the same language: Dick head.
amberseesyou 5 months ago
Wendy is a complete idiot. We shouldnt change the laws of marrige because it has been that way for a long time?? So we shouldnt have changed the white Australia policy, because it was in place for a long time? We shouldn't have changed child labour laws because they were in place for a long time?? Part of the reason society works so well is because it is constantly changing.
amberseesyou 5 months ago 2
I wish they would both shut the heck up when the other one is talking! That's incredibly rude and makes them look ten times worse. This debate is a joke.
Sorcerer8605 5 months ago 3
Wendy: "I will never stop putting words into your mouth."
jessiessica 5 months ago
"I have to explain to my children things they encounter in the world". Well fuck, who knew being a parent involved responsibility and work? If you want to shield your child from everything you disapprove of in the world, don't have kids. Get a goldfish instead.
rohanwotan2 6 months ago 7
@rohanwotan2 hah nice name. Are you into Wotanism?
Norskal 2 months ago
@Norskal
Nope, I'm an atheist. Wotanism (as opposed to Odinism - I know same guy, different name) carries racial overtones (at least in North America) that I'm also not into. But thanks for the compliment. Cheers.
rohanwotan2 1 month ago
Hold the fuck up.
Let me just say one thing, I agree that they should not have 'sexual' billboards.
holysoks1 6 months ago
Fiona Patten is a bad ass mother fucker
adiaax 6 months ago 4
What a zealot.
evenshadow 6 months ago
Wendy's a bitch.
Vahtacen 6 months ago
my god conservatives can never let the opponent speak for fear that they will be called on their bullshit
judoisoww 6 months ago 2
"why would we change something thats been around forever?" hmmmm like slavery?
trenma09ac 6 months ago 6
The Marriage Act in Australia, written in 1961 (50 years ago...) defines marriage as: "The union between a man and a woman entered into for life, to the exclusion of all others." That means divorce should not exist as an institution and cheating should be illegal and punishable by law, if we decide to read the marriage act as black and white as FF appears to do.
Also, the point of Democracy is being able to change/reform/make laws based on the majority - the majority want gay marriage!!! NOW!
seanruch94 6 months ago 4
@seanruch94 I actually think cheating should be punishable by law lol.
I don't think 'gay people' need to marry, regardless.
holysoks1 6 months ago
haha kochie's face at the end
Fujaskanerv 8 months ago
What a stupid bitch :P
skoSolitude 8 months ago
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repeatedlyusedtool 8 months ago
Dirty Troll
flydarkair 8 months ago
Voting for the sex party omg..
poonageguy 8 months ago
We created a parody of the anti-gay messages sent by the Australian Christian Lobby: watch?v=Nl4x1li91S0 Like this if you like the message!
ImPaulAyre 8 months ago
Why would we change something that's been around forever?
THEN BURN THE WITCH!
bytheseasides 8 months ago 6
if you want wendy's contact number - go to australianchristianlobby (dot) org (dot) au (forward slash) contact (hyphen) us
then scroll down and you will get her mobile number. many drunk prank calling nights await
BeeEmmW 8 months ago 3
Destroyed. No other word for it. Thankyou and goodbye Wendy. First video to make me want to hit my computer.
D1FFO 8 months ago 3
"why would we change something thats been around forever?"
YES YES LETS ALSO LIMIT WOMENS RIGHTS, ITS OKAY THEY'RE USED TO IT.
Wendy seriously punch yourself in the face.
OnlyIzy 8 months ago 10
@OnlyIzy no - whack her in the face with a frying pan
BeeEmmW 8 months ago
Stop freaking interrupting her Wendy!!! Wendy's whole argument is Shes right and whoever doesn't have the same views as her is wrong.
Renagaderip 8 months ago 3
I love how the lady from the sex party subtle highlights how hypocritical Wendy Francis is.
bytheseasides 8 months ago 2
"Marriage is the backbone of society"
Me: AHAHAHAHA!!!! Yes because if people weren't married, we would all be doomed D: How could we function?! Love would not exist, hell would descend! OMG Noo!
Pfft . . . yeah I think we should be right.
Ellendara 8 months ago 2
That "Wendy" is dangerous. Since when is being gay a choice ?
And since when has the institution of marriage been "normal?" It is more normal to have divorced parents these days. The definition of family has changed.
vibalmartin 8 months ago 2
Fiona Patten is a good bitch.
Redonx 8 months ago
The best thing about Family First is that they prove just how stupid they are every time they open their mouths. They are absolutely terrible, objectionable people with terrible and objectionable ideals.
rossmum 8 months ago 2
Family First: fighting to keep the phrase "except for" out of the English language.
bobxyzp 8 months ago 2
We can clearly see who can argue in a professional manner here. Wendy is just in denial for everything.
Tilan123 8 months ago 3
A LIFESTYLE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO THE FUCK DOES SHE THINK SHE IS!!!... GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY COUNTRY
forbzy1590 8 months ago 38
FAMILY FIRST IS A CHRISTIAN EXTREMIST GROUP... FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
forbzy1590 8 months ago 7
FUCK WENDY FRANCIS. OFWGKTA.
jordserr 8 months ago
WHY ARE THEY TALKING?
SHUT UP AND START LICKING EACH OTHER OUT!!!!
DISKHNT 8 months ago 26
Much as I like the ASP, is it possible for any side in this debate to shut the fuck up for five seconds so that the other can speak?
MrHenryFogg 8 months ago
When losing a debate define the definition of "totally'
OhLookDISTRACTION 8 months ago 2
HOLY SHIIIT SHUT UP
brendanbebop 8 months ago
i go back and watch this when i want to have a laugh at wendy for being a stupid cunt.
stephxx1993 8 months ago 3
Keep things how they always were??!! Blacks would be slaves, 12 year old girls would still be sold to 50 year old men, women and children would be allowed to be openly beaten to a pulp! Torture would still be a punishment for things like stealing! An adult should be able to watch whatever they like in their own home as long as it's legal, if you have children then go to your Internet options and filter them!
OhLookDISTRACTION 8 months ago 3
Wise people keep their mouths shut Wendy....shouldn't have started this whole debate when you clearly don't know what you are talking about. u.u
TearikiProductions 8 months ago 2
60% of Australians agree to same sex marriage you dumb bitch!
OhLookDISTRACTION 8 months ago 2
OH HEY JUST GONNA BE A WOMAN AND SAY THAT TRADITION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EQUALITY WHILST TOTALLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY I"M CURRENTLY NOT A SLAVE IN THE KITCHEN OR THE LAUNDRY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID "FUCK TRADITION" AND GAVE WOMEN EQUALITY.
Xerxes17 8 months ago 4
IS IT OK IF I CAN LISTEN TO WHAT FIONA HAS TO SAY WENDY WITHOUT YOUR FUCKING INTERRUPTING?!?!
IS IT THAT HARD?!?!
Elfuser24 8 months ago
this red headed nazi cunt needs to fuck off
imeqsmd 8 months ago
Regarding Wendy's argument at 4:25: That is the oldest argument against equality. Why change the status quo. I'm not affected so I don't care. Why do women, black people, immigrants, anyone not white and middle class and male. Why change?
You make me sick.
TreeSapZombiekiller 8 months ago
Wendy Francis should watch this: This man is a Republican Christian with 4 sons (1 of which is gay), and he supports gay marriage!
/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk&feature=related
DarthSagittarius 8 months ago
oh my god, shut the fuck up and get in the kitchen.
Tekorum 8 months ago
Wendy is not a good Christian - bitchy, sarcastic, exclusive, rude. She also recently blatantly lied recently over a highly homophobic tweet. Love how atheist Fiona doesn't bring herself down to that low, catty high school level.
Her principle argument as well is that heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time. Slavery was around for a long time, too. That didn't make it right.
hoewhy12 8 months ago
Australian Sex Party is easily the most non-discriminative party in Australia! I voted for them in the last election based purely on the fact that they want an 18+ Rating for Video Games in Australia.
Wendy is clearly a dumb bitch.
AllTimeIsRelative 8 months ago
its like listening to a child complaining for mcdonalds
CHUNDERTHUNDER99 8 months ago
7:35 LOL WHAT??? No same sex marriage, censoring billboards, internet filter, and then you have the nerve to say that? Who the hell votes for this family first party?
Damian2257 8 months ago
Marriage is a religious ceremony. They have rights to discriminate against people that don't suit their beliefs (quiet rightly).
A marriage should be a purely religious ceremony, a civil union should be for everyone else.
encomiastic 8 months ago
@encomiastic Sorry, but no. Marriage existed before religion, and the vast majority of Australians don't get married in a religious ceremony.
FuguMoonlitgordo 8 months ago 4
@FuguMoonlitgordo
Made that one up didn't you?
Marriage clearly has a religious precedence. You can't claim it doesn't and that Australia embraces it.
encomiastic 8 months ago
@encomiastic You're such an idiot. Marriage is NOT a religious ceremony! Marriage was around BEFORE religion... You probably think Christmas and Easter shouldn't be celebrated by atheists too, don't you? Well guess what, they are pagan festivals, so suck on that. Go do some research please.
94browneyez 8 months ago 2
@94browneyez
Except what is run in Australia is quiet obviously a religious ceremony. Unless you're going to argue that, your point is moot. The way society takes marriage is as a religious ceremony.
I'm also not religious so your silly little tirade is wrong. Have fun pretending you're a progressive intellectual stamp seller.
encomiastic 8 months ago
@encomiastic I've been to a heap of non religious marriage ceremonies in Aus.. not sure what you're talking about. We have celebrants that give out marriage licences for a reason.
MrPapsie 8 months ago 2
@encomiastic
Most of the marriages I've been to have been done by a civil celebrant. It may very well be based off a religious ceremony, but the religion has been removed. There is no prayer, no religious text and it isn't done before any god or deity.
As a member of our society, as are those people who are married, we don't take it as a religious ceremony.
nvisionthing 5 months ago
@nvisionthing
If religion is removed it is essentially a civil union isn't it?
Anyway, why the fuck are you grave digging?
encomiastic 4 months ago
@94browneyez hard to believe that CHRISTmas is pagan??!.
s2kneedeep 6 months ago
@94browneyez
You know, paganism is a variation of religion. It is originally used pejoratively, but it really is just a label for older & different forms of religion. Based on that, atheists still wouldn't be able to celebrate it because it is for different gods.
nvisionthing 5 months ago
we shouldn't have to explain to children sex?
if u are a parent its ur job to explain life to your kid.
sex is a wonderful part of life
lordrazi111693 9 months ago
@buffy1rox The Western World is a hangover from the Roman Empire, which became the "Holy Roman Empire" around 300AD (or 300CE for non-christians). Many laws and such are based on Judeo-christian teachings or traditions. Also Christian traditions are based on Roman pagan traditions (eg Easter Eggs and such from northern hemisphere spring fertility rites.
Anyway, contemporary Australian marriage is a Christian tradition, historically. Marriages were performed as a religious ceremony.
Phool66 9 months ago
@Phool66 Point?
nvisionthing 5 months ago
@Phool66 what does marriage have to do the "Christian message"? if it was about the "Christian message" would you outlaw Jewish people, for example, getting married?
People can choose whether or not they have a religious ceremony or not, a marriage is not about religion, Atheists get married all the time.
buffy1rox 9 months ago
OH MY FUCKING GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP WENDY! YOU TART! TWO WORDS: DIPLOMACY! LET OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR SAY YOU BI BOWL OF PENIS!
elbowconsumer 9 months ago
God that wendy bitch just can't shut the fuck up and let someone else talk.
Prodigyexam12 9 months ago 2
Ignorant republicans. Not just in the White House anymore.
pliskin100 10 months ago
Lmao im not against gays being couples they just can't get married..... its been like that forever why change it... Ok if that was our logic you women would have no say in anything you would not be allowed to vote you would still be staying at home cooking and cleaning it was like that up until the 50's why change it??? Your argument is BS
landogriffi1 10 months ago
Wendy's desk looks like a kitchen bench.
I support this.
waltdog177 10 months ago 3
something that's been around forever?
for the good of australia. my god the family first woman is clueless
Ruralrandom 10 months ago
I am NOT saying that gay couples WOULD have an abnormal/negative effect of a child's psycho/emotional development. I am saying that it is a VERY real possibility that should be explored before jumping into it. Stop fucking twisting my words. You're all acting very immature for people so desperately concerned with gay rights.
phantomtalon556 10 months ago
@phantomtalon556
Before you use the argument that we need to explore the risks of gay parenting before "jumping into it", you should know that the psychosocial effects of having homosexual parents have already been empirically investigated quite thoroughly and overwhelmingly support the scientific consensus that there are no ill effects psychologically, socially, emotionally, intellectually, or physically.
jessiessica 5 months ago
@domvasta Have you SEEN that "one-room apartment"?!! Have you been to Vatican City?! Do you think that shiny stuff all over the ceilings is just paint? And you know that the sworn-to-poverty (supposedly) & thus poor, long-suffering il Papa only wears silk upon his not even remotely infallible person, right?! How that 'helps' anyone BUT HIM is beyond me! But yes, they help ~ inquisitions, crusades, witch-hunts, the demonisation of Woman, the "Buybull" ... yeah, we really needed those things.
Loribyn 11 months ago
It's usually the ones like this Wendy wanker that are members od BDSM swingers parties anyways....
Ansett76 11 months ago
@Ansett76 Ha ha ha! Ansett76, you have a naughty sense of humour -- I love it! Spoken as one who might know? :) (sorry, couldn't resist!). But whether yay or nay, you're right -- she is SO uptight, she must be TOTALLY bent, yeah?! And DESPERATELY trying to hide it from her church Mother's Club of course!
So, with that user-name were you a "hostie" for Ansett or what? Or dare I say it thweet-heart, a stewardess?! :D (Said with nothing but smiles mate).
Loribyn 11 months ago
and do you know why Loribyn is a douche....cause she cares so much about the ASP. which is obviously shit....its led by a *cough* woman.....and its lame...........only hippy wieners and homosexuals/lesbians vote for the ASP...because they're gay (i meant gay in both terms)
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@mdccc20000 You're right, I DO care! VERY much. But not for the ASP itself, but for EVERYTHING for which they stand. It's funny, my parents voted for the ASP, as did I ~ one of them is 71, the other 62, both of them respected elders; and none of us are homosexual ... but then, do we have to be to care about equal rights for ALL people? Or is that concept beyond your comprension?
If that makes us "douches" in your assessment, I accept your definition. Douches of the world unite!
Loribyn 11 months ago
@Loribyn As for "hippy", yeah, you're probably right :). Do you know what a "hippy" is? What they believe in, what they stand for, & how they live? Or is that too beyond you?
It's "obviously shit"?! Oh, spoken like a TRUE ignoramus, who has NO idea of about what he/she is talking. And "lame"?! I know Americans have a whole other English, but forgive me, do you even know what "lame" means? Or are you again merely using idiom? (Though the concept of a "lame douche" is rather amusing).
Loribyn 11 months ago
@Loribyn your a douche.....hence your response to everybody on this page....only a douche would do that....actually, your more a douchebag
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@Loribyn Sorry, I meant "comprehension" not "comprension", just a little typo. Take that and run a mile with it mdccc, if you even noticed it.
Loribyn 11 months ago
@Loribyn lol you are so fat and lonely
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@Loribyn you are a fag lover
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@mdccc20000 Oooh, you're not quite all there, are you? "Fags" can't get jobs ...?! ... never heard that one before.
Pardon the profanity, but, no, no, no - you've got it all wrong - The Australian Sex Party wants to up Australia's fucking, not to fuck up Australia ... there is quite a difference you know. Or is it that YOU fuck up those things you fuck? Which would be fuck all, I'd think. Ahh ... fuck me!?
Loribyn 11 months ago
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mdccc20000 11 months ago
@mdccc20000 Ooooh, how original!
Loribyn 11 months ago
@Loribyn shut up a die
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@Loribyn no1 would fuck you
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@sawdecoy Oh, you'd be amazed what an open-minded and adventuorus woman can do with a string of pearls. :)
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mdccc20000 11 months ago
@mdccc20000 Awh, what's the matter mdccc2000? No sense of humour, huh? (And shouldn't it be MDCCC? But then, it's only the year 2011 because of -... why was that again? Seeing he was born in 6 BC, I mean? In March no less ... never have figured that one out.
BTW, do you even know what a douche is dear? Can't say I fit the job-description ... although ... :)
Didn't my comment give ANYONE a smile, even a little one?
Thumbs up if you think I'm NOT a "douche", or whatever.
Loribyn 11 months ago
@Loribyn mdccc2000 stands for mini danger chris chris chris....and the account was crated in the year 2000.....you are such a douche.....just like john edwards. lol "Didn't my comment give ANYONE a smile, even a little one? Thumbs up if you think I'm NOT a "douche", or whatever." LOLOLOL!!!! man, only a douche would say that.....and what, did you go an create an account and thumbs uop yourself....hang on...no1 thumb up'd you....douche
mdccc20000 11 months ago
@poopydoolarr00 Okay, I couldn't leave this one alone ... Re your comments on "poo pushing" (what is this, Grade 2?!): what about straight people who like anal-sex, would you include them in your statements? Or is it okay as long as you're straight? If it is according to you, how can you possibly justify that, because the act is the same, merely the participants differ; & if not, why not? And regarding your "most folks", would you quote your statistcs on that pls ~ including your source.
Loribyn 11 months ago
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mdccc20000 11 months ago
@phantomtalon556 Actually, that's not correct -- the latest psychological research shows that children of a homosexual couple (of any kind) are way ahead of the child from the so-called "average family", in almost every respect ~ in social-skills & development; school performance; sheer IQ & what might be called EQ, & many other areas. The studies show that there is something about a "gay" environment that is in fact remarkably beneficial to children. Why don't you look it up for yourself.
Loribyn 11 months ago
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mdccc20000 11 months ago
@Loribyn Want to link me some resources? I am interested in seeing the results. and would the people replying to my comments PLEASE stop making out as if I am some horrible homophobic bastard. I am GENUINELY worried about the well-being of the coming generations. Prove to me that it has no abnormal effect on the emotion/psychological development of children, and I will be more than happy to accept it!
phantomtalon556 11 months ago
@phantomtalon556 stop going to church. That should allay any fears.I worry about people telling teenagers it's 'wrong' and 'against god'. Teenagers are committing suicide over this and yet you seem to want to perpetuate this myth of it being a choice? WTF? Why would anyone want to choose a life where you are constantly ridiculed and judged and dont have the same basic rights as everyone else? You should be more worried of the shallowness of society, religion and whats on TV affecting kids.
Ansett76 11 months ago
@Ansett76
I haven't been to church in years. I made the decision myself that an organized religion does more harm than good and that I would not be serving any righteous purpose if I was part of the monster called Catholicism.
phantomtalon556 11 months ago
@Ansett76
Also, I don't remember suggesting that one's natural sexual orientation is a choice that one makes. I am only suggesting that I've not heard of any research to confirm or dispel the reasonable possibility that having parents of homosexual orientation may effect psyc/emo health of the child in question
phantomtalon556 11 months ago
@phantomtalon556 no different to any straight couple, the same used to be said about single parents years ago and what a load of crap that was. As long as a child is loved, not abused and has acess to education and health...what more does a kid need.With all the shit that happens in this world today this should be the least of everyones problems. So many kids worldwide are born and tossed aside and need good homes. How can having two loving parents have a detrimental affect on a childs psyche?
Ansett76 10 months ago
@phantomtalon556 Sorry I didn't get back to you - have been busy - but most of the sources I read are not online -- they're in the medical/psychiatry literature. Go to your local state and/or university library and look it up. Gay-rights activist websites will give various sources, but again you'll find most of them are not online.
Loribyn 1 month ago
@ahheadlock Well I don't know how she'd feel about it, but I love the idea. Can we start with her, huh, can we, can we, please, just this once, huh can we!? :)
Loribyn 11 months ago
basically a war between science and religion
MamaMario13 11 months ago
how ironic that the sex party woman is intelligent but the bible-bashers party woman is so thick? shes like an aussie sarah palin
MamaMario13 11 months ago 2
the family first woman is soooooo stupid
MamaMario13 11 months ago 14
"why would we change something that has been around forever..."
BECAUSE THTS WHAT POLITICS IS!! FUCK!! any politician who says that about ANY topic doesn't deserve anyones vote
KingMatthewDaGreat 1 year ago 2
Notice how Wendy says "I think it's a free society" at 7:32
That's quite ironic then, because she won't give gay couples the right to marry.
Odd that.
jackwhipme 1 year ago 4
@jackwhipme Great stuff! But yep, it's free ~ for anyone just like her, according to her, and according to her that's just the way it should be. Ogh pleeeees!?
But like I always say: Family First?! Yeah right, ONLY so long as your family is EXACTLY like theirs.
Loribyn 11 months ago
@jackwhipme It's funny how Fiona says its a free society, then Wendy opposes her stance... but when her interest is threatened she becomes a hypocrite and uses the same argument "It's a free society"....
VERY ODD...
Then claims that all the parties are acting out in thier own interests and thus she believes hers isn't.
ODD THAT TOO...
Some people are just plain stupid and ignorant... but to be proud and arrogant of it is dangerous to society...
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jackwhipme 1 year ago
Did you know?
Before World War 2 the German Nazi Party's slogan was 'Family First'.
Family First Party = 21st Nazi Party.
Instead of genocide for Jews it will be homosexuals.
That’s not good for me..
jackwhipme 1 year ago
@jackwhipme Great comment! But Jack I think you'd be horrified to know just HOW correct that really is -- I know I was! Look it up my friend -- that mob should terrify us ALL.
Loribyn 11 months ago
Bloody hell...I wish people/politicians would stop deciding their policies on Human Rights and social rights based on polls! Equality and compensation for past inequality should be the standard on which all politicians base their social policies. I'm sure if you polled white people 200 years ago on slavery, the majority would have supported it, same issue with women's right to vote.
Ohloveeh 1 year ago
Errr no. The vast majority of Australians are non practicing Catholics. Note the non practicing. We have religious fundies, but they are seen as such and have no credibility (the family first party got something like 1% of the vote in the last election)
Our prime minister is a unwed, childless, openly atheist woman who is living with her boyfriend. Do you think this would ever be possible in America?
MrPapsie 1 year ago 9
@MrPapsie Shes a fucking shit prime minister though.
jadsuckme 8 months ago
good luck australia, beat back those religious fundies
GhostOfGallipoli 1 year ago
@GhostOfGallipoli Australia is a more religious of country than America. Australia has a bible belt, and has a extremely large Catholic community.
NewarkWilder1 1 year ago
@NewarkWilder1 Thats a pretty big claim there. I'd love to see a study backing that up. Our society is quite secular. We don't have dumb-arse debates about creationism in schools and we certainly don't have prayer-ins for candidates. Even the Mad Monk tries to keep his religious views out of sight.
nvisionthing 5 months ago
"Homosexuality is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce." - John Boswell (paraphrasing Plato), 1979
I think that just about covers it.
NickiTherese 1 year ago 3
@NickiTherese I'll say it does! BEAUTIFULLY said! :) :) :)
Loribyn 11 months ago
The Sex Party lady wiped the floor with the other one.
dave28lax 1 year ago 3
@dave28lax DIDN'T SHE WHAT!!!? :)
Loribyn 11 months ago
"I think its a free society, but I'm going to tell you what you can or cannot see"
omfgzhax 1 year ago 2
Isn't it ironic that politicians that use faith as the basis for their ideas have a similar disposition to communists? I have nothing against communism but I just couldn't help notice this. Communism is anti-religious, and herein lies the irony.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
Was agreeing with Fiona up until she said she would like to see Julia Gillard as PM solely for the fact that she's female. For a woman who says she strives for equality, how can she be so blatently sexist?
CzHzRzIzS 1 year ago
i can has sex parteh?
darknexus87 1 year ago
you know, when i first heard about the sex party, i expected it to be a bit of a joke. how woefully ignorant of me. this video just convinced me that i should be voting for the sex party from now on. This representitive is a breath of fresh air in politics for me. shes freakin so calm and collective and rational. this is what we need.
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Loribyn 11 months ago
@myth8745 Check out the policy statements Myth8745 -- I think you'll be impressed, and pleasantly suprised. For Fiona and her team are more than just a breath of fresh air ... a lot more. When I first heard the name I thought the same as you, but like you, then I heard Fiona speak, and I knew I had to look into it in more depth. I'd been looking for a party to join and support and for whom to volunteer for a long, long time - all my life - and ASP was the FIRST one worthy of it.
Loribyn 11 months ago
does the family chick never shut up? i think she didn't interrupt her opponent only once. now they both did, but still.
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Got her ass kicked.
PittRockGuy 1 year ago
fucking religious tard
greatestXhits 1 year ago
Quit interrupting her you grouchy, miserable bitch.
slotstik 1 year ago 3