In addition the Chinese heavily influenced their religious beliefs in their Happa/pug type dogs when they bred them; they bred them to resemble a form of a lion. Find and research the Imperial Dog Book; by Tsou Yi Kwei. There is alot of flat faced Imperial Chinese Dog breeds in there.
I haft to disagree with Jemima about how the Pugs use to look. In the past many different countries had different looks of Pugs; even pugs had different names in different countries. The Pug as we know of today comes from the now extinct Chinese Happa (not to mention that the Happa had a flat face.) and other imperial chinese breeds. There was no other official breed of Pugs until a few year before the kennel club was established. Pugs and Pekes were all from the same line of chinese dog breeds.
Fuck that guy , i dont like that you need glasses ...oh but your daughter has 20/20 vision howabout having a baby with your daughter ?.....the baby might be able to see better but her ability to breath and heart function will be less than 10% soo lets do it
"you're not gonna tell me what to do with my life" ... because, y'know, the dogs and their lives are not essential to the existence of these breeders' livelihoods and the demented shows they love so much.
@BaboonJihad How rational and mature of you. But in any case, I don't breed FOR THE SHOW RING. But I do show my dogs. My dogs have health certs before breeding, mainly OFA cardiac/hip, and also are DNA tested for MLS and are screened for thyroid disease. I don't breed dogs who are affected with genetic disease - I do not even tolerate cherry eye in a breeding dog. Pedigree research = healthy pups.
The purpose is for companionship - owners appreciate healthy, stable pups & my health guarantee.
@siriuslymessedup Actually, the same is true with rats, cats, coyotes, lions, most reptiles, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... and hey— dogs too. As for yoga... No thanks, I'm heterosexual.
Do you know that if wild squirrels aren't separated by gender before true sexual maturity even occurs, siblings will breed with one another?
I'm not a fan of breeding unhealthy dogs, I just have to point out that your statement of them not breeding with close relatives in the wild is very untrue.
In most cases they would be more than happy to breed with close relatives, but the close relatives just don't happen to be located nearby.
@quarterpastcrazy Mammals generally have strong instincts to keep them from breeding with close relatives and usually only breed with them when they have no other specimen of birthing age around. They are not their first choice.
@quarterpastcrazy What you're saying is indeed true; wild animals will inbreed if they're in close proximity of one another when sexual maturity occurs. However, their general behaviours and life styles usually prevent this; e.g. A new male lion taking over a pride of females every 1-2 years. What inbred animals are born will usually die off in the wild before sexual maturity due to problems causing them to struggle in the wild. So the genetic defects are never passed on. Unlike with pets.
I don't know nor care if this is so biased or flawed. Let's be honest, show dogs are a problem. I agree it has become more about looks and conforming dogs to something that is endangering their lives.
However, what are we to do about obscure breeds, such as the Swedish Vallhund or dogs from Iceland with very little numbers? Where do we draw the line with breeding in this aspect?
@siriuslymessedup I know! But the dog breeders don't take that in consideration. I will never uderstand how they can't think that they know better than nature. They say that breeding parent to offspring is good. I guess most of them are waiting for their children to be old enough to have sex with them so that they can "fix" the good traits they have in their family. Yuck!
@doggiejigsaw Bias? jajajajaja Don't make be laugh! I wouldn't surprise me that you would said that films that show Nazi movement are bias. I will never understand why intelligent people like you try to play stupid.
@NEBESHIKU dont make ME laugh, Ive owned nothing but large purebred dogs the last 30+ years, an average of 4 at one time, and not one had any of these so called common problems in the video, not one! but then I dont buy from PETSHOPS or puppymill types, nor do I get from shelters which is exactly where those free-to-a-good-home, petshop and puppy mill dogs wind up.
You buy from the clueless and greedy you get what you paid for- junk, you go to a GOOD breeder you are much better off.
@doggiejigs If you want to laugh look at a mirror! The fact that your dogs didn't have problems is no proof that what the show showed is not true. That would be like saying that documentary on cancer is not true because no one in ones family has gotten cancer. By the way the owners of the Cavalier and Peke champios, are they clueless? The issue is that this should not happen. You are just like the stupid asshole in germany that said that the holocaust wasn't true and that it's documentary bias.
@NEBESHIKU This was filmed in the UK for one thing, which for decades has been almost ISOLATED for breeding by draconian quarantine laws, it implies ALL purebreds everywhere are diseased unhealthy animals when in fact they are not. The problem is not the breeders or the dogs, the problem has been draconian quarantine laws that all reduced breeding stock to a very small number and THAT is the root of the problem.
This film is 100% ENGLAND's situation, not the USA
@doggiejigs That is such a lie! How come wild animals native to the United Kingdom like hares, foxes, deer (the species that can't emigrate out os the island) are not having inbreeding problems? The truth is that even with a small gen pool if you do the right thing then you don't get problems from inbreeding. Humans are the ones (in this case from the UK) who are stupid and think that they know better than nature and breed parents to offspring AND TO ATHER CLOSE RELATIVES.
@NEBESHIKU you think wild animals dont have health problems TOO? you are daft, for one thing, most wild animals dont LIVE LONG ENOUGH to develop many of the problems older dogs do, also, since you dont XRAY for hip problems in a wild wolf but DO in a show dog, you are not screening the wild animals to even know, obviously if you dont test for it the animal never has it, RIGHT!
Since mixed breeds are not routinely xrayed, when one has joint pain its just chalked up to "old age" or arthritis
@doggiejigs JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA hip problems are from inbreeding! Wild animals don't have to get tested, if they are in poor health and have any problem they get eaten and only the good gens go to the next generation. All you say is a confirmation that you are not very smart! JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
@doggiejigs Also it is not the same to have a degenerative condition due to old age than a genetic condition due to stupid humans breeding from bad gens. So funny, so if wild animals lives long enough they would develop siringomelia and the likes? jajajjaaajajaja So funny. By the way what dog breeds have you owned?
@NEBESHIKU degenerative diseases from old age are abnormal, it is also genetic weakness to to have so called "old age" diseases", every animal develops DIFFERENT diseases, even cancer no doubt has a genetic basis to its development, you see all this crap in humans, people dying of cancer in their teens, healthy young men die suddenly of a heart attack and all kinds of things even tho we are thousands of gens of OUTCROSS breedings.
I've always owned GSD, Labs, large and giants- mastiffs
@doggiejigs Yes, and those who develop the desease are too weak to pass those gens to the next generation so the species gets stronger and stronger as the bad gens die out. All animals get sick and have deases but they follow natures rule and the strong live long enugh to pass the goood gens o the next dstination. Nature never intended for animals to live long enough except the ones with the good gens. Did you GSD look like rin tin tin or the deformed ones of today?
@NEBESHIKU All mammals get cancer, including wolves. They also get cataracts, can have hip dysplasia and are susceptible to parvo and rabies, just like domesticated dogs, but unlike dogs they don't normally live long enough.
@doggiejigs Yes, all mammals can get those things and the ones that do die with out a chance to pass those bad gens. The ones with good gens don't get those desease, have stronger inmune systems or are tolerant/resistant so they don't die. The "intelligent" humans are the ones that don't do what nature wants. If they have a beautiful looking dog but they know it has a deseases they still breed from it. That is hy the dogs are so sick! Again you are free to keep defending the undefendable.
@NEBESHIKU f they are in poor health and have any problem they get eaten and only the good gens go to the next generation. " Thats just total bullshit, ALL wild prey animals die young- diseases, accidents, injuries, hunting, predators, genetic problems and defects, that's why most rabbits in the wild only live one year when as pets cared for they can live 9 or more
@NEBESHIKU Heres your rabbit info, from a UK web site ypte.org.uk
Life-span: about 9 years. In the wild most rabbits live less than one year.
There's VERY FEW diseases that will manifest in a one year old animal unless its catastropic. WIld animals die young from disease, predators, starvation, road hits
parasites and injuries, they dont live long enough to develop arthritis, cancers, joint problems or genetic diseases, but they are there.
@doggiejigs Again nature at work! The ones that die ARE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT STUFF to survive, if what you say is true then they would go extinct but they don't! Dog breeders breed dos they know are unhealthy like the owner of the Cavalier or the Peke. That is the issue. If They didn't breed from genetic defected and unhealthy dogs the condition would end with that individual and not go to the next generation.
@doggiejigs All the wild species that live in small populations all over the world have small gen pools but none have genetic problems. Those animals are the smart ones for following natures rules. They breed out defects but not by inbreeding. The only stupid idiots that do that are humans. The lady that bought George the pug went to a very reputable breeder and she got a beautiful looking bag of genetic defects. She went to a breeder like the ones you go to.
@NEBESHIKU ' She went to a breeder like the ones you go to' obviously she DIDNT because not one of my purebred dogs ever had any of these problems this film claims is common.
@doggiejigs So the breeders that you go to are not registered in the Kennel Club and are not Kennel Club Certified Judges? Amanda Ellis is a champion dog breeder! That means that the Kennel Club is ok with the pugs she breeds yet George has so many genetic problems and the worst is that the Kennel Club won't stop dogs like that from breeding! JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJ Pathetic, but you are free to defend the undefendable!
"You are not going to tell me what to do with my life", really then how come you follow the law and pay your taxes, didn't you say no one tells you what to do with your life. Bastard!
You know, the simplest solution would be to have more and much stricter health tests before they can be declared champions. Dogs with deformed spines and other genetic diseases are to be disqualified.
Of course, that wouldn't be done because then over ninth of all the dogs registered would have to disqualified because they're all inbred.
what and idiot that guy is at teh end. ''Im not going to let scientists tell me what to do I know better''. Breeders are sick. A dog is a friend, not some fashion accesory
@105km i know right! I do evolution at uni, and i've studied this case in great detail. The wacko doesnt knwo the first things about dogs! He's a freakin hypocrite for saying he's doing the best he can for these dogs. We scientists give facts you idiot!!! Grrrr... anyway sorry but i totally agree with ur opinion LOL
just to let you all know, i own george the pug in this video,he will be 7 in may,he is not in any pain and is having a very happy life here in cornwall with my newfie.
I don't think this film is biased and flawed as many people say. Now, I am not an expert in any fashion, and can only give the opinion I hold. So therefore, I believe the dog breeding world is majorly contaminated by issues such as these. Personally, I'd rather breed healthy dogs. Example, taking to perfectly healthy dogs of one breed (no genetic disorders) and breed them together, even if they didn't conform to breed standard. Why? Simply because the offspring produced would be healthier.
@hardcorecritic94 That's why I only buy papered dogs of healthy parents, and one that's arent inbreed. I also prefer working style over show because they function better and their beautiful.
I do think it's a little dumb to take another dog of the same breed when your other one died of a genetic desease (unless she didnt know it was a genetic desease). Most breeds aren't even beautifull in my opinion ...
why would you love a sick and geneticly abused breed?
Don't people love the breed for the looks and the dogs for their love? And isn't the second most important for non-superficial people? Maybe the dog is a little different than what you see as perfect or beautifull but at least hes healthy! Besides. It must be some sort of agony for humans to listen their dog pant and gasp for breath even if they're not even walking! Cant imagine the pore dogs.
"Don't people love the breed for the looks and the dogs for their love? " -----------------
Uuuummm . . NO! ---------------
I have no interest in the looks of a dog I chose the breed I love PURELY by temperament. I have owned 17 dogs in my lifetime of different breeds and mixes, and I'll guarantee you that this temperament CANNOT be found with any consistency (if at all) in other breeds. Unfortunately it IS one featured on PDE.
Its a hard choice. Do you run the risk of getting an over bred purebred dog with the associated diseases to its particular breed, or choose a mongrel that is likely to have fewer genetic diseases or tendencies to cancers. And if you get the purebred you have a better idea of what sort of temperament the dog has, while mongrels would be more likely to have an unpredictable temperament.
You seem baised, determined theres nothing wrong when someone gives you a champion dog, would you take it? How about if you found out its breed genetics allowed a diease that harmed it to be passed on?
Think closely, is it propaganda or serious issue? I also am aware in goldfish how much they are inbreed and how MUCH they have problems compared to other not so inbreed fish.
The documentary as a whole is definitely very one sided, but this breeding of "designer dogs" instead of for basic welfare, is a huge, horrific problem that nobody seems to know how to tackle. It is a vicious cycle and these breeders need to open their eyes and see the bigger picture. I personally think i'll stick to my happy, healthy mongrel that wont cause me years of despair and a fortune in vet bills.
Its ok I based my views on what I have seen for decades and that is that the Kennel club is the work of Satan himself. Have you seen a show Border Collie - couldn't herd its own legs - shameful thing to do in the name of looks. Don't even try and defend the indefensible - this has been coming for at least 20 years, don't act surprised.
I had two border collie crosses. One was a border collie "and a black thing" cross. Lol. Best herder ever, got out one day and herded all the local farmers cows. her mother purebred? Couldn't herd ducklings for steak, and she had the herding instinct in her just the same as her daugther did. health problems, her daughter though, inherited her father's back legs and was actually able to be what nature intended. Sadly, though she had the legs from her father, she had her mother's leg diease
Please so not base you views on breeds and breeder in the UK on this VERY BIASED AND FLAWED film they have now admited that a great many of the facts are inacurate and they have tried to blame the very people whohave been doing all the funding and reserch to stop ushc problems in ALL dogs the breeders, the vets and the Kennel CLub, but the makers of this program REFUSED to show the work they have dones as it did not suit HER STORY..............
the Chairman of the British Vet Assc interview was cut to from an hour to just 12 seconds!!! as it did not match what they wanted to show!! the actual number of dogs that are shown and are compared to the standards they say are so flawed is 0.5% of the number of ALL of the pedigree dogs so how can this actually have the impact they say it has had?........THEIR figure dont add up but the do make great sound bytes!!
It is unfortunate that us as humans have forcefully developed dogs the way they are today and caused such irreversible effects on them. As shameful as it is, we need to stop harbouring this and start looking towards new research so we can improve the lives of every single living dog. Competitions like 'Crufts' are not a necessity and the Kennel Club should take responsibility and put more effort into research to improve the quality of a dogs life.
Wow, that's amazing that the British allow their dogs to be shown without having proper tests against each breed's most common genetic disorders or that people buy these dogs without the tests!! I've owned pure bred Alaskan Malamutes for years, and AMCA and the AKC won't allow them to compete without being certified against (when puppies their parents have to be) hip dysplasia by OFA, chondrodysplasia by AMCA, and cataracts by CERF. I would never buy a dog without these health tests being done.
sick sick sick sick people. Fucking morons aswell. I seriously would love to shoot the woman i think in the last video or maybe at the start of this who said "the vet won't kill my ridgeback puppies and says they are perfectly healthy but they don't have ridges" THE RIDGE IS A DEFORMITY YOU DUMB BITCH! thank god she is old and will be dead soon.
Thank you WALLE9000 for uploading this truly hard hitting documentary. It has enabled me to let my dear friend in Spain who rescues dogs there to view it as she can't look at the BBC IPlayer.
@vivonKID I *am* a dog breeder, and I take serious ethical issues with the views of those breeders and kennel club judges in this documentary. The gene pool IS shrinking, and neither the Kennel Club nor AKC will open the stud books to allow new bloodlines in. So they are, in part, responsible for this mess along with those who perpetuate the problems with poor breeding practices.
that stupid fucking bitch!!! oh he'll just collapse! yeah, that's a great fucking solution(!) i think she must be at least 4 or 5 generations inbred or she wouldn't be so fucking stupid! people that think allowing an animal to suffer in this was is ok just to win a pathetic show need to be shot! i'd do it myself if i thought i would get away with it!
Jeff Sampson your a tit..you will cringe when you listen to yourself talking rhubarb..facts are facts..there seems to be a certain arrogance in the kennel club and its breeders that inbreeding is acceptable...
Lol Wofwofwof inbreed must stop or its really to late tell me guys do you like some pet that have heart problems or some sickness or maybe some body parts missing :D
"what might have happened if they did NOTHING?" with that face.. wth? This man is suppoused to a professional in what he does for living, and he childishly answered to a question with a question simple as that? O_o I remember one philosophic friend of mine saying, that when you´re "arguing" with someone and that person answers to your ? with a ?, it means you´ve pretty much won that part :D Why not just honestly say "..im sorry, but dont know how to answer to that atm" ?
In addition the Chinese heavily influenced their religious beliefs in their Happa/pug type dogs when they bred them; they bred them to resemble a form of a lion. Find and research the Imperial Dog Book; by Tsou Yi Kwei. There is alot of flat faced Imperial Chinese Dog breeds in there.
TheManWhoIs20 4 days ago
I haft to disagree with Jemima about how the Pugs use to look. In the past many different countries had different looks of Pugs; even pugs had different names in different countries. The Pug as we know of today comes from the now extinct Chinese Happa (not to mention that the Happa had a flat face.) and other imperial chinese breeds. There was no other official breed of Pugs until a few year before the kennel club was established. Pugs and Pekes were all from the same line of chinese dog breeds.
TheManWhoIs20 4 days ago
Fuck that guy , i dont like that you need glasses ...oh but your daughter has 20/20 vision howabout having a baby with your daughter ?.....the baby might be able to see better but her ability to breath and heart function will be less than 10% soo lets do it
XxEverlastingColourX 2 months ago 2
How can you breed away from the dogs' genetic weaknesses by breeding those exact dogs?
dannidanni 4 months ago 3
"you're not gonna tell me what to do with my life" ... because, y'know, the dogs and their lives are not essential to the existence of these breeders' livelihoods and the demented shows they love so much.
dannidanni 4 months ago
oh yeh the pug jst chokes on itself and passes out .....bt theres nt much wrong with it??? gt a brain woman!!
savmoto 5 months ago
@BaboonJihad How rational and mature of you. But in any case, I don't breed FOR THE SHOW RING. But I do show my dogs. My dogs have health certs before breeding, mainly OFA cardiac/hip, and also are DNA tested for MLS and are screened for thyroid disease. I don't breed dogs who are affected with genetic disease - I do not even tolerate cherry eye in a breeding dog. Pedigree research = healthy pups.
The purpose is for companionship - owners appreciate healthy, stable pups & my health guarantee.
MemorieLane1980 8 months ago
When I saw that picture of what pugs used to look live I was like "HOLY CRAP!!". How did get from looking like it does now?
HyperNessie 9 months ago 4
@siriuslymessedup Actually, the same is true with rats, cats, coyotes, lions, most reptiles, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... and hey— dogs too. As for yoga... No thanks, I'm heterosexual.
quarterpastcrazy 10 months ago
@siriuslymessedup Who the fuck told you that?
Do you know that if wild squirrels aren't separated by gender before true sexual maturity even occurs, siblings will breed with one another?
I'm not a fan of breeding unhealthy dogs, I just have to point out that your statement of them not breeding with close relatives in the wild is very untrue.
In most cases they would be more than happy to breed with close relatives, but the close relatives just don't happen to be located nearby.
quarterpastcrazy 10 months ago
@quarterpastcrazy Mammals generally have strong instincts to keep them from breeding with close relatives and usually only breed with them when they have no other specimen of birthing age around. They are not their first choice.
BaboonJihad 8 months ago
@BaboonJihad I don't know where you get your info but it's incorrect. Especially with dogs. Males will breed with ANY bitch in heat.
quarterpastcrazy 8 months ago
@quarterpastcrazy I got it from Biology text books.
BaboonJihad 8 months ago
@quarterpastcrazy What you're saying is indeed true; wild animals will inbreed if they're in close proximity of one another when sexual maturity occurs. However, their general behaviours and life styles usually prevent this; e.g. A new male lion taking over a pride of females every 1-2 years. What inbred animals are born will usually die off in the wild before sexual maturity due to problems causing them to struggle in the wild. So the genetic defects are never passed on. Unlike with pets.
Kittywhiskers1000 8 months ago
this man is mad, does not undertand no seince.
nimo4923 1 year ago
this breed is suffering.
why no one wants to sue them
nimo4923 1 year ago
I don't know nor care if this is so biased or flawed. Let's be honest, show dogs are a problem. I agree it has become more about looks and conforming dogs to something that is endangering their lives.
However, what are we to do about obscure breeds, such as the Swedish Vallhund or dogs from Iceland with very little numbers? Where do we draw the line with breeding in this aspect?
Metroid4ever 1 year ago
God bless people like Carol!
winchesterxwolf 1 year ago 2
carol fowler, you are a champion!
pol4r19 1 year ago
@siriuslymessedup I know! But the dog breeders don't take that in consideration. I will never uderstand how they can't think that they know better than nature. They say that breeding parent to offspring is good. I guess most of them are waiting for their children to be old enough to have sex with them so that they can "fix" the good traits they have in their family. Yuck!
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
I can't believe how some people actually think it's OK to breed unhealthy, deformed animals for their own amusement.
Verenneito 1 year ago 11
@doggiejigsaw Bias? jajajajaja Don't make be laugh! I wouldn't surprise me that you would said that films that show Nazi movement are bias. I will never understand why intelligent people like you try to play stupid.
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU dont make ME laugh, Ive owned nothing but large purebred dogs the last 30+ years, an average of 4 at one time, and not one had any of these so called common problems in the video, not one! but then I dont buy from PETSHOPS or puppymill types, nor do I get from shelters which is exactly where those free-to-a-good-home, petshop and puppy mill dogs wind up.
You buy from the clueless and greedy you get what you paid for- junk, you go to a GOOD breeder you are much better off.
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs If you want to laugh look at a mirror! The fact that your dogs didn't have problems is no proof that what the show showed is not true. That would be like saying that documentary on cancer is not true because no one in ones family has gotten cancer. By the way the owners of the Cavalier and Peke champios, are they clueless? The issue is that this should not happen. You are just like the stupid asshole in germany that said that the holocaust wasn't true and that it's documentary bias.
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU This was filmed in the UK for one thing, which for decades has been almost ISOLATED for breeding by draconian quarantine laws, it implies ALL purebreds everywhere are diseased unhealthy animals when in fact they are not. The problem is not the breeders or the dogs, the problem has been draconian quarantine laws that all reduced breeding stock to a very small number and THAT is the root of the problem.
This film is 100% ENGLAND's situation, not the USA
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs That is such a lie! How come wild animals native to the United Kingdom like hares, foxes, deer (the species that can't emigrate out os the island) are not having inbreeding problems? The truth is that even with a small gen pool if you do the right thing then you don't get problems from inbreeding. Humans are the ones (in this case from the UK) who are stupid and think that they know better than nature and breed parents to offspring AND TO ATHER CLOSE RELATIVES.
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU you think wild animals dont have health problems TOO? you are daft, for one thing, most wild animals dont LIVE LONG ENOUGH to develop many of the problems older dogs do, also, since you dont XRAY for hip problems in a wild wolf but DO in a show dog, you are not screening the wild animals to even know, obviously if you dont test for it the animal never has it, RIGHT!
Since mixed breeds are not routinely xrayed, when one has joint pain its just chalked up to "old age" or arthritis
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA hip problems are from inbreeding! Wild animals don't have to get tested, if they are in poor health and have any problem they get eaten and only the good gens go to the next generation. All you say is a confirmation that you are not very smart! JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@doggiejigs Also it is not the same to have a degenerative condition due to old age than a genetic condition due to stupid humans breeding from bad gens. So funny, so if wild animals lives long enough they would develop siringomelia and the likes? jajajjaaajajaja So funny. By the way what dog breeds have you owned?
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU degenerative diseases from old age are abnormal, it is also genetic weakness to to have so called "old age" diseases", every animal develops DIFFERENT diseases, even cancer no doubt has a genetic basis to its development, you see all this crap in humans, people dying of cancer in their teens, healthy young men die suddenly of a heart attack and all kinds of things even tho we are thousands of gens of OUTCROSS breedings.
I've always owned GSD, Labs, large and giants- mastiffs
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs Yes, and those who develop the desease are too weak to pass those gens to the next generation so the species gets stronger and stronger as the bad gens die out. All animals get sick and have deases but they follow natures rule and the strong live long enugh to pass the goood gens o the next dstination. Nature never intended for animals to live long enough except the ones with the good gens. Did you GSD look like rin tin tin or the deformed ones of today?
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU All mammals get cancer, including wolves. They also get cataracts, can have hip dysplasia and are susceptible to parvo and rabies, just like domesticated dogs, but unlike dogs they don't normally live long enough.
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs Yes, all mammals can get those things and the ones that do die with out a chance to pass those bad gens. The ones with good gens don't get those desease, have stronger inmune systems or are tolerant/resistant so they don't die. The "intelligent" humans are the ones that don't do what nature wants. If they have a beautiful looking dog but they know it has a deseases they still breed from it. That is hy the dogs are so sick! Again you are free to keep defending the undefendable.
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@NEBESHIKU f they are in poor health and have any problem they get eaten and only the good gens go to the next generation. " Thats just total bullshit, ALL wild prey animals die young- diseases, accidents, injuries, hunting, predators, genetic problems and defects, that's why most rabbits in the wild only live one year when as pets cared for they can live 9 or more
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU Heres your rabbit info, from a UK web site ypte.org.uk
Life-span: about 9 years. In the wild most rabbits live less than one year.
There's VERY FEW diseases that will manifest in a one year old animal unless its catastropic. WIld animals die young from disease, predators, starvation, road hits
parasites and injuries, they dont live long enough to develop arthritis, cancers, joint problems or genetic diseases, but they are there.
the same species are ALL related to one another
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs Again nature at work! The ones that die ARE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT STUFF to survive, if what you say is true then they would go extinct but they don't! Dog breeders breed dos they know are unhealthy like the owner of the Cavalier or the Peke. That is the issue. If They didn't breed from genetic defected and unhealthy dogs the condition would end with that individual and not go to the next generation.
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@doggiejigs All the wild species that live in small populations all over the world have small gen pools but none have genetic problems. Those animals are the smart ones for following natures rules. They breed out defects but not by inbreeding. The only stupid idiots that do that are humans. The lady that bought George the pug went to a very reputable breeder and she got a beautiful looking bag of genetic defects. She went to a breeder like the ones you go to.
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
@NEBESHIKU ' She went to a breeder like the ones you go to' obviously she DIDNT because not one of my purebred dogs ever had any of these problems this film claims is common.
doggiejigs 1 year ago
@doggiejigs So the breeders that you go to are not registered in the Kennel Club and are not Kennel Club Certified Judges? Amanda Ellis is a champion dog breeder! That means that the Kennel Club is ok with the pugs she breeds yet George has so many genetic problems and the worst is that the Kennel Club won't stop dogs like that from breeding! JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJ Pathetic, but you are free to defend the undefendable!
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
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"You are not going to tell me what to do with my life", really then how come you follow the law and pay your taxes, didn't you say no one tells you what to do with your life. Bastard!
NEBESHIKU 1 year ago
09:30 Sweden is still the greatest nation on earth
SuperRegisteredUser 1 year ago
You know, the simplest solution would be to have more and much stricter health tests before they can be declared champions. Dogs with deformed spines and other genetic diseases are to be disqualified.
Of course, that wouldn't be done because then over ninth of all the dogs registered would have to disqualified because they're all inbred.
AdamWhistle 1 year ago
Sick, sick,sick people. The world has gone MAD. Poor pups & dogs. This Pug Breeder is SICK. I have other words for her but i cant say them on air.
432cmb 1 year ago
Sick, sick,sick people. The world has gone MAD. Poor pups & dogs.
432cmb 1 year ago
they should be arrested for animal cruelty!! theres MORE than enough proof!
ashleyim18 1 year ago
I love pughs .. so disturbing to see the deformation.. especially the dog with the bung eye @2:45
hannahskm 1 year ago
in the end... you're better off with a mutt.. so it seems.
LunaTemari 1 year ago
Ronnie Irving should fuck his daughter, granddaughter!!
Laxcon 1 year ago
what and idiot that guy is at teh end. ''Im not going to let scientists tell me what to do I know better''. Breeders are sick. A dog is a friend, not some fashion accesory
105km 1 year ago 4
@105km i know right! I do evolution at uni, and i've studied this case in great detail. The wacko doesnt knwo the first things about dogs! He's a freakin hypocrite for saying he's doing the best he can for these dogs. We scientists give facts you idiot!!! Grrrr... anyway sorry but i totally agree with ur opinion LOL
aznlover9114 1 year ago
just to let you all know, i own george the pug in this video,he will be 7 in may,he is not in any pain and is having a very happy life here in cornwall with my newfie.
pugdoggeorge 1 year ago
@pugdoggeorge good to hear
wilerman 1 year ago
@shirley6677 you should love the dog not the breed, you are starting to sound like the Malfoys in Harry Potter.
CharlsEC 2 years ago
CharlsEC, If you believe I said anything different, you have a reading comprehension difficulty.
shirley6677 2 years ago
boo, you wh*re.
CharlsEC 2 years ago
I don't think this film is biased and flawed as many people say. Now, I am not an expert in any fashion, and can only give the opinion I hold. So therefore, I believe the dog breeding world is majorly contaminated by issues such as these. Personally, I'd rather breed healthy dogs. Example, taking to perfectly healthy dogs of one breed (no genetic disorders) and breed them together, even if they didn't conform to breed standard. Why? Simply because the offspring produced would be healthier.
hardcorecritic94 2 years ago 34
@hardcorecritic94 That's why I only buy papered dogs of healthy parents, and one that's arent inbreed. I also prefer working style over show because they function better and their beautiful.
nikigurl08 1 year ago
I do think it's a little dumb to take another dog of the same breed when your other one died of a genetic desease (unless she didnt know it was a genetic desease). Most breeds aren't even beautifull in my opinion ...
IkhoudvanKauwen 2 years ago
, , , , and if its the breed you love and you have no use for other breeds?
shirley6677 2 years ago
@shirley6677
why would you love a sick and geneticly abused breed?
Don't people love the breed for the looks and the dogs for their love? And isn't the second most important for non-superficial people? Maybe the dog is a little different than what you see as perfect or beautifull but at least hes healthy! Besides. It must be some sort of agony for humans to listen their dog pant and gasp for breath even if they're not even walking! Cant imagine the pore dogs.
IkhoudvanKauwen 2 years ago
"Don't people love the breed for the looks and the dogs for their love? " -----------------
Uuuummm . . NO! ---------------
I have no interest in the looks of a dog I chose the breed I love PURELY by temperament. I have owned 17 dogs in my lifetime of different breeds and mixes, and I'll guarantee you that this temperament CANNOT be found with any consistency (if at all) in other breeds. Unfortunately it IS one featured on PDE.
shirley6677 2 years ago 2
Its a hard choice. Do you run the risk of getting an over bred purebred dog with the associated diseases to its particular breed, or choose a mongrel that is likely to have fewer genetic diseases or tendencies to cancers. And if you get the purebred you have a better idea of what sort of temperament the dog has, while mongrels would be more likely to have an unpredictable temperament.
3690Anmari 2 years ago
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Once sided animal rights propaganda!
The animal rights agenda is to end all pet ownership: think for yourselves, people, before it's too late.
bkrbkrl 2 years ago
Or... Human stupidity pointed out?
You seem baised, determined theres nothing wrong when someone gives you a champion dog, would you take it? How about if you found out its breed genetics allowed a diease that harmed it to be passed on?
Think closely, is it propaganda or serious issue? I also am aware in goldfish how much they are inbreed and how MUCH they have problems compared to other not so inbreed fish.
AngelEmfrbl 2 years ago 2
Thanks for uploading this.
The documentary as a whole is definitely very one sided, but this breeding of "designer dogs" instead of for basic welfare, is a huge, horrific problem that nobody seems to know how to tackle. It is a vicious cycle and these breeders need to open their eyes and see the bigger picture. I personally think i'll stick to my happy, healthy mongrel that wont cause me years of despair and a fortune in vet bills.
28Stephhhx 2 years ago 2
Its ok I based my views on what I have seen for decades and that is that the Kennel club is the work of Satan himself. Have you seen a show Border Collie - couldn't herd its own legs - shameful thing to do in the name of looks. Don't even try and defend the indefensible - this has been coming for at least 20 years, don't act surprised.
Kirkibost1320 2 years ago 4
I had two border collie crosses. One was a border collie "and a black thing" cross. Lol. Best herder ever, got out one day and herded all the local farmers cows. her mother purebred? Couldn't herd ducklings for steak, and she had the herding instinct in her just the same as her daugther did. health problems, her daughter though, inherited her father's back legs and was actually able to be what nature intended. Sadly, though she had the legs from her father, she had her mother's leg diease
AngelEmfrbl 2 years ago
Please so not base you views on breeds and breeder in the UK on this VERY BIASED AND FLAWED film they have now admited that a great many of the facts are inacurate and they have tried to blame the very people whohave been doing all the funding and reserch to stop ushc problems in ALL dogs the breeders, the vets and the Kennel CLub, but the makers of this program REFUSED to show the work they have dones as it did not suit HER STORY..............
lehlam 2 years ago
the Chairman of the British Vet Assc interview was cut to from an hour to just 12 seconds!!! as it did not match what they wanted to show!! the actual number of dogs that are shown and are compared to the standards they say are so flawed is 0.5% of the number of ALL of the pedigree dogs so how can this actually have the impact they say it has had?........THEIR figure dont add up but the do make great sound bytes!!
lehlam 2 years ago
Omg 6:52 what a smug idiot
orangebus333 2 years ago 2
Mongrels for ever!
angstmonkey1 2 years ago
I'll stick with my multi-coloured mongrel farm dogs thank you
irai1984 2 years ago 3
03:54 I love Aphex Twin
melbournaut 2 years ago
It is unfortunate that us as humans have forcefully developed dogs the way they are today and caused such irreversible effects on them. As shameful as it is, we need to stop harbouring this and start looking towards new research so we can improve the lives of every single living dog. Competitions like 'Crufts' are not a necessity and the Kennel Club should take responsibility and put more effort into research to improve the quality of a dogs life.
JGJamieson93 2 years ago 2
i am ashamed to be British when i see this
octobubble 2 years ago 4
Don't be. I'm American, and I don't take shame when I see my country's flaws. It's their fault, not yours.
Besides, I'm sure Americans along with several other nations import pedigree dogs from the UK as well.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago 5
why don't they use genetic tests on the dogs
octobubble 2 years ago
Wow, that's amazing that the British allow their dogs to be shown without having proper tests against each breed's most common genetic disorders or that people buy these dogs without the tests!! I've owned pure bred Alaskan Malamutes for years, and AMCA and the AKC won't allow them to compete without being certified against (when puppies their parents have to be) hip dysplasia by OFA, chondrodysplasia by AMCA, and cataracts by CERF. I would never buy a dog without these health tests being done.
cdembek1 2 years ago
fuck poor pug
and he still qualifies for those shows those people are fucked up man poor dog!!!!!!!!!
MScorpio503 2 years ago 2
sick sick sick sick people. Fucking morons aswell. I seriously would love to shoot the woman i think in the last video or maybe at the start of this who said "the vet won't kill my ridgeback puppies and says they are perfectly healthy but they don't have ridges" THE RIDGE IS A DEFORMITY YOU DUMB BITCH! thank god she is old and will be dead soon.
mikeyg345 2 years ago 5
wow...snooty bastards...im ashamed to be human sometimes, imagine mutilating the closest 4 legged ppl we have to us.
Tikaani09 2 years ago
Thank you WALLE9000 for uploading this truly hard hitting documentary. It has enabled me to let my dear friend in Spain who rescues dogs there to view it as she can't look at the BBC IPlayer.
shudycamps 2 years ago 3
fuck 9:42
I know better, no SCIENTIST is going to tell me what to do
105km 2 years ago 6
Notice, how everybody who watches this disagrees with the dog breeders views.
They're so far stuck up their own arses, they need to get real and, basically, stop murdering dogs!
why allow a dog to be born when you know theres a high risk of it suffering pain?
i bet they wouldn't allow their own child to be put through that. why allow a dog to be put through pain? fucking morons. ¬.¬
Rant over.
vivonKID 2 years ago 26
@vivonKID I *am* a dog breeder, and I take serious ethical issues with the views of those breeders and kennel club judges in this documentary. The gene pool IS shrinking, and neither the Kennel Club nor AKC will open the stud books to allow new bloodlines in. So they are, in part, responsible for this mess along with those who perpetuate the problems with poor breeding practices.
MemorieLane1980 9 months ago
@MemorieLane1980 Heres a solution. STOP FUCKING BREEDING SHOW DOGS! I mean honestly what purpose does it serve?
BaboonJihad 8 months ago
i salute the woman who is fighting for these poor animals!!!
XxXSpittyKittyCatXxX 2 years ago 5
aye!
KodierungHerz 2 years ago
that stupid fucking bitch!!! oh he'll just collapse! yeah, that's a great fucking solution(!) i think she must be at least 4 or 5 generations inbred or she wouldn't be so fucking stupid! people that think allowing an animal to suffer in this was is ok just to win a pathetic show need to be shot! i'd do it myself if i thought i would get away with it!
XxXSpittyKittyCatXxX 2 years ago
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DopesNextAccount 2 years ago
OK, I guess she didn`t know. But why so much doggy racism?
DopesNextAccount 2 years ago
F**k the Kennel Club. If I ever buy a dog it will be a mutt. I don`t want to support them in any way. Typical evil rich bastards.
DopesNextAccount 2 years ago
That's the spirit! I always owned mutts. Never regretted it.
megawutt 2 years ago 3
"I don't need any smarty-pants scientists who think they know more about science than I do!!!"
encliticcopula 2 years ago
i wouldn't be to surprised is the man at 7:02 was getting into the dog vaginas himself.
coochflaps 3 years ago
Jeff Sampson your a tit..you will cringe when you listen to yourself talking rhubarb..facts are facts..there seems to be a certain arrogance in the kennel club and its breeders that inbreeding is acceptable...
jgs36 3 years ago
Lol Wofwofwof inbreed must stop or its really to late tell me guys do you like some pet that have heart problems or some sickness or maybe some body parts missing :D
WALLE9000 3 years ago
@WALLE9000 agree!
brocolims 1 year ago
wobble wobble wibble wibble woof woof.
supercrazyandy 3 years ago
Playing god with dogs.Yikes!Adolph lives on at The Toffee-Nosed Kennel Club.Woof Woof.
supercrazyandy 3 years ago
"what might have happened if they did NOTHING?" with that face.. wth? This man is suppoused to a professional in what he does for living, and he childishly answered to a question with a question simple as that? O_o I remember one philosophic friend of mine saying, that when you´re "arguing" with someone and that person answers to your ? with a ?, it means you´ve pretty much won that part :D Why not just honestly say "..im sorry, but dont know how to answer to that atm" ?
Jefrma 3 years ago 4
thats a BIG change that happened to all dogs Yikes!
huskymaster1 3 years ago
pug
ilkl2 3 years ago