No mais, todos somos livres para emigrar para Bahia... Pense nisso e bom proveito... O interessante é que os bahianos querem é sair de lá... Talvez por terem muitos bahianos como vizinhos... E nenhum alemao-azedo cuidando da administracao...
@marcioadm280 Germany also played in 2 LESS World Cups than Brazil! So the fact is Germany have played MORE games than Brazil even though they were in 2 less Cups. That means Germany have been more successful overall because you can't possibly play in more games in less World Cups without a better winning PERCENTAGE.
You have a very good point. So, where can I watch the full 90 MInutes ? I will watch it and then comment back, and I will be happy to admit if in fact what you are saying is true. By the way, there is another game Brazil vs Germany on that same year that was played in Brazil. Did you have a chance to look at it ? I have watched that one in full and ....well....I will let you look at it yourself. Just a brief insight, Backenbauer gets nut megged by Pele twice. Check it out.
@Fmendonca10 You can buy the game on the internet. You have to look for it. I have watched the Dec 1968 game. I know about the nutmeg. Germany scored a fine goal with a bicycle kick in that game, btw.
@Fmendonca10 This video is a fair recap of that game. Brazil just wasn't that good in this game. Accept it and get over it. There are highlights of Brazil in this game as well, btw. It's sad that people think they can comment on this compilation being biased without actually having seen the whole 90 minutes. It is you who should be ashamed for your prejudice in automatically assuming that this is not a fair representation of this May 1968 game in Stuttgart.
ahahhaahahahhah...brazil 70 was the best team of history..i watched that match and pelè did great attacks skills and one goal (also a fool out of beckembauer), but in video nothing of this.. and then the best team other than brazil was Italy, in 1968 champion of Europe e in 1970 with brazil in the "final of the century" (award 3rd cup rimet). Do you have forgotten Italy-Germany 4-3??
@ilCanaledeiMondiali My Goodness! You have watched the December 1968 Rio game which is in Black/White! Totally different game! This is May 1968 Stuttgart/Germany and Pelé was not playing in this game anyway.
Germany played better than brazil. Edu - the niger who cross the ball for tostão made the brazilian goal- had 18 years old at that time. He was one of the best soccer player i ever seen. In 1968 played in Santos F. C. with Pele. Like now Santos use to make in his low categories many amazing players. In the last decade from his soccer school Santos made Robinho, Diego, Neymar, Ganso and others.
Brazil may have more World Cup titles, but NO TEAM on the planet has made it to more Finals, semi-finals and quarterfinals than Germany. No one is even close. Germany makes AT LEAST the quarters in almost every World Cup. Not to mention it's the same way in the Euro's. Germany is the most consistent winners of any country. That's why the famous saying came around: "Soccer is a game where you run around for 90 minutes and the Germans win"
Nowadays, germany play a better football than Brazil, no doubts.
i'm brazilian, but in the last 6,5 years the team of brazil lose the "magic football" it had in other times, and since 2005 i cheer for germany, because there are really love for the shirt. here in brazil, they play for only marketing and to be famous, sad reality.
Cada um pensa da sua maneira, respeito sua opinião, mas não sou obrigado a concordar. Acho que os alemães são honestos, mas tem um percentual de alemães que é um tanto quanto arrogantes e ditadores, além de muito estúpidos/grosseiros, por isso eu jamais conseguiria torcer para esse povo.
@MultiBresolin Moro na Alemanha a 22 anos e discordo de vc... Me sinto mais seguro e respeitado aqui do que no Brasil... A honestidade e lealdade dos Alemaes é sensacional... Se o Alemao fala A, ele faz A, se fala B ele faz B...
Os onibus chegam pontualmente... As ruas e Autobahns sao exelentes... O salário é ótimo... Nao tem Crentes enchendo o saco... E a música Funk nao agrada aos alemaes... No mais, as mulheres alemaes sao muito mais gostosas, pois inteligentes e saudaveis... É o paraíso...
Independente de concordar ou não, o importante é a democracia de opiniões.
Concordo contigo, nos quesitos segurança, pontualidade e condições financeiras, pois nesses aspectos o Brasil é terrível, deixando muito a desejar. Quanto ao comportamento do povo alemão, também acho legal a honestidade (coisa que falta no Brasil), mas não me sinto bem convivendo com aquele tipo de alemão que é duro no trato, meio estúpido por natureza, aqui no Rio Grande do Sul ainda tem muitos assim.
@MultiBresolin Disculpe a descordancia, mas como vc disse o diaogo é tudo... E afirmo, Os tres estados do Sul sao os melhoers do Brasil para se viver muito graca a colonizacao alema e a presenca de seus descendentes... Em grande parte o Rio Grande funciona em razao da alemanzada... Já tive uma namorada de Ivoti à decadas atras. Uma mulher maravilhosa com uma família que ainda é família...Uma mulher severa mas corretissima.... Severa com os outros mas também consigo mesmo...
Brazil beat this German team of 1974 one year earlier right there in Germany. Great game that was! Luis Pereira was wonderful! Gol by Dircey. That game was everything but "friendly".
Why Germany did everything they could to avoid playing Brazil in 1974? It is a matter of style and tradition. Holland was indeed terrific but the germans knew very well they had more chances playing Holland than playing Brazil. It was a matter of style and head to head history.
you are kidding...the friendly 1974 was a ugly game..brasil wasnt better but did score a goal....germany lost in this days at home 2::3 against argentina and 0:1 against yugoslawia...1968 at home germany complety has dominated brasill and the rematch in brasil has ended 2:2, germany way better than brasil in the second half. and close winning the game...
Only four WC-1970's Jules Rimet champions in this brazilian team:
Carlos Alberto,
Gérson,
Jairzinho and
Tostão.
RIVELINO, CLODOALDO, PIAZZA AND...
P-E-L-É
wasn't in this game!
(Félix, Brito and Everaldo, too)
What , of course, don't take the credits for the great game and victory of the great team of (West) Germany (that either wasn't the same of 1970 and 1974)
Brazil 1x2 West Germany: 16-06-1968 friendly: Neckarstadion/Stuttgart Brazil: Cláudio; Carlos Alberto, Jurandir, Joel Camargo and Sadi; Denílson, Gérson and Paulo Borges; Jairzinho, Tostão and Edu. Coach: Aymoré Moreira West Germany: Wolter; Vogts, L. Müller, Fichtel and Lorenz; Beckenbauer, Weber and Overath; Dörfel, Held and Neuberger. Coach: Helmut Schön Goals: Held, Dörfel, Tostão
Germany played better here!! Brazil attacked only three times.. Germany 1974 best team EVER!!! Along with Holland the same WC and Hungary 1954!! Such teams don't exist anymore and maybe never will be....
give me a break! Best team ever was Brazil 1970. Grmany 1974???Kidding? Good team but not among the best. Could hardly beat Chile. Lost to E. Germany to avoid playing Brazil.
I don't think so man... Total football was first played in 1974 by the finalists. You can't say what would happen if Brazil played Germany then but they lost to Netherlands eventhough they didn't play so clear...Brazil was a high quallity team but did nothing against Holland's new modern football.
i disagree with you when you said Brazil did nothing against Holland. I recall very well that more than once Brazil´s offense beat the offside trap set by Holand and would have been in great position to score. Offsides were wrongly called. Rumors here were that Stanley Rous was mad at havelange after losing the presidency of FIFA...(. WITHOUT SAYING THAT BRAZIL LOST BECAUSE OF THE REFEREE.) But that was not one of our finest teams. We were still learning how to play w/o Pele.
Of course they had opportunities. But you must also admit that they played really hard that match. I just believe that Holland represented a new class of football that noone could match at that moment. I didn't see Brasil treated unfairly by the referee. Good teams BOTH, but Holland was playing something more similar to today's football. MY opinion always but I think I'm right.
Dude that is EDU the shirt number 11. Is EDU from Santos. Thats Joao Saldanha team, he was the one trying to get Pele out of the world cup of 1970. Joao Saldanha NEVER had Pele and Tostão in the same team NEVER. Zagallo did. Joao Saldanha used to say that they could not play together because they hold the same position in the field. Pele only played as a number 10 for Brazil since 1958, is just not possible to have Tostao wearing the 10 and Pele with the number 11, just not happened.
Pele DIDN'T PLAY THIS GAME...the player doing 1-to-1 with Tostao is Edu, Santos' left winger who was a heavily left-footed player unlike Pele who was two-footed player.
Brazil always beats Germany. Germans play ugly, dirty, too much strength, not enough skills and fair play. Pele showed Kaiser how to dance the samba:):):)
obviously you don't watch or play football. germany is and always has been a team of finesse and precision. they don't foul that much actually. if you want a team that fouls go look at croatia.
congratulations if your brazilian. you have absolutely zero good club teams. you did terrible in 2006, and just because you had pele does not make you the best team.
i am not talking about Pele, I am talking about Brazil, the team that has won five WC's, no other team has accomplished as much success, so what do you call that?
THE BEST TEAM !!!
The German team is also very good, not doubt, of course!
that is true, they have won 5 world cups, but that does not make them the best team. germany is not the best either, but looking at german football world cup history they have been close contenders for almost every world cup, or they have won it. i can't say the same for brazil.
In my world, and in most people's world, the team that wins more is the best, not the one that comes close to win more!
I think you are mistaken.If we look at the WC history, then Brazil is #1, Italy #2, and Germany #3.These are the best teams according to their records. The Argentina must also be there in fifth place.
if you want to talk about the team that has shown most consistency, then Germany may come in first place, which is far from being the best team!
ok you may have a point. but i am just going to say that i personally dont think that there is a "best team". brazil has the most WC wins, Germany is the most consistent, and italy takes the best dives to draw fouls. i will leave it at that. but don't be dissin germany calling them sloppy and dirty players. if you can find a video of a german WC team that plays dirty through out the video then i will fold. but until then, germany is the most organized and precise team out there.
Not enough skills? You're talking about a three times world champion, a team that reached at least the quarters in every wc final round since 1954! Have a little bit more respect you pathetic dumbshit - that's fairplay too!
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MultiBresolin 3 months ago
No mais, todos somos livres para emigrar para Bahia... Pense nisso e bom proveito... O interessante é que os bahianos querem é sair de lá... Talvez por terem muitos bahianos como vizinhos... E nenhum alemao-azedo cuidando da administracao...
guariba63 3 months ago
Carlos Alberto era o capitao... Tostao estava em campo...
guariba63 3 months ago
Nao vi Pelé em campo. Reconheci Gérson, Jairzinho, Edu... Pelé nao estava... Quem tem a escalacao do Brasil?
guariba63 3 months ago
@marcioadm280 Germany also played in 2 LESS World Cups than Brazil! So the fact is Germany have played MORE games than Brazil even though they were in 2 less Cups. That means Germany have been more successful overall because you can't possibly play in more games in less World Cups without a better winning PERCENTAGE.
Astralwurksdk 4 months ago
Awesome footage. Thanks for sharing!
latinhooligan 8 months ago
What's a nutmeg?
jrg8008 11 months ago
You have a very good point. So, where can I watch the full 90 MInutes ? I will watch it and then comment back, and I will be happy to admit if in fact what you are saying is true. By the way, there is another game Brazil vs Germany on that same year that was played in Brazil. Did you have a chance to look at it ? I have watched that one in full and ....well....I will let you look at it yourself. Just a brief insight, Backenbauer gets nut megged by Pele twice. Check it out.
Fmendonca10 1 year ago
@Fmendonca10 You can buy the game on the internet. You have to look for it. I have watched the Dec 1968 game. I know about the nutmeg. Germany scored a fine goal with a bicycle kick in that game, btw.
ronwallasey 1 year ago
Hey, you should be ashemed to put a video out there with tendentions (Germany plays only) Highlights.
Fmendonca10 1 year ago
@Fmendonca10 This video is a fair recap of that game. Brazil just wasn't that good in this game. Accept it and get over it. There are highlights of Brazil in this game as well, btw. It's sad that people think they can comment on this compilation being biased without actually having seen the whole 90 minutes. It is you who should be ashamed for your prejudice in automatically assuming that this is not a fair representation of this May 1968 game in Stuttgart.
ronwallasey 1 year ago
@Fmendonca10
Eh. What are you talking about? They even showed the Brazilan goal you fucking idiot.
Castleinthesky0007 6 months ago
this is a selection of germany actions. IT ISN'T HIGHLIGHTS. I watched that match and Brazil played better than germany!
ilCanaledeiMondiali 1 year ago
@ilCanaledeiMondiali That not true! The highlights in this match are fairly compiled. Germany was definitely the better team.
ronwallasey 1 year ago
ahahhaahahahhah...brazil 70 was the best team of history..i watched that match and pelè did great attacks skills and one goal (also a fool out of beckembauer), but in video nothing of this.. and then the best team other than brazil was Italy, in 1968 champion of Europe e in 1970 with brazil in the "final of the century" (award 3rd cup rimet). Do you have forgotten Italy-Germany 4-3??
italy * * * *
ilCanaledeiMondiali 1 year ago
@ilCanaledeiMondiali My Goodness! You have watched the December 1968 Rio game which is in Black/White! Totally different game! This is May 1968 Stuttgart/Germany and Pelé was not playing in this game anyway.
ronwallasey 1 year ago
Germany played better than brazil. Edu - the niger who cross the ball for tostão made the brazilian goal- had 18 years old at that time. He was one of the best soccer player i ever seen. In 1968 played in Santos F. C. with Pele. Like now Santos use to make in his low categories many amazing players. In the last decade from his soccer school Santos made Robinho, Diego, Neymar, Ganso and others.
roryrussel 1 year ago
we are the best ever
BRAZIL
5 World Cups
We have a lot of great players.
Pelé, Garrincha, Jairzinho, Socrates, Rivelino, Romario, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo r9, Kaká...
are so many, i cant remember all great players from Brazil ;)
vnyy7 1 year ago
@vnyy7 True but now in 2010 i think Argentina is better than Brazil. Messi is the best.
ZAOUWV 1 year ago
INIESTA
caliqueo 1 year ago
Brazil may have more World Cup titles, but NO TEAM on the planet has made it to more Finals, semi-finals and quarterfinals than Germany. No one is even close. Germany makes AT LEAST the quarters in almost every World Cup. Not to mention it's the same way in the Euro's. Germany is the most consistent winners of any country. That's why the famous saying came around: "Soccer is a game where you run around for 90 minutes and the Germans win"
jeanareighnbeau 2 years ago
@jeanareighnbeau yeah .. The new team is sensational German
It is a total revolution in their game and win the cup this year
martinri89 1 year ago
ESAÑA ES COJONUDA¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
caliqueo 1 year ago
@jeanareighnbeau
Brazil vs Germany (WCups)
Brazil -- Games: 97 Victories: 67 Draws: 15 Losses:15 Goals: 210 Goals against: 88
Germany -- Games: 99 Victories: 60 Draws: 19 Losses:20 Goals: 206 Goals against: 114
Brazil played less (2 games), but have more victories, less draws, less losses, score more goals and concede less.
Sorry dude, but not even germany is better then Brazil.
marcioadm280 1 year ago
@marcioadm280
Nowadays, germany play a better football than Brazil, no doubts.
i'm brazilian, but in the last 6,5 years the team of brazil lose the "magic football" it had in other times, and since 2005 i cheer for germany, because there are really love for the shirt. here in brazil, they play for only marketing and to be famous, sad reality.
djnevell 6 months ago
@djnevell
Cada um pensa da sua maneira, respeito sua opinião, mas não sou obrigado a concordar. Acho que os alemães são honestos, mas tem um percentual de alemães que é um tanto quanto arrogantes e ditadores, além de muito estúpidos/grosseiros, por isso eu jamais conseguiria torcer para esse povo.
MultiBresolin 6 months ago
@MultiBresolin Moro na Alemanha a 22 anos e discordo de vc... Me sinto mais seguro e respeitado aqui do que no Brasil... A honestidade e lealdade dos Alemaes é sensacional... Se o Alemao fala A, ele faz A, se fala B ele faz B...
Os onibus chegam pontualmente... As ruas e Autobahns sao exelentes... O salário é ótimo... Nao tem Crentes enchendo o saco... E a música Funk nao agrada aos alemaes... No mais, as mulheres alemaes sao muito mais gostosas, pois inteligentes e saudaveis... É o paraíso...
guariba63 3 months ago
@guariba63
Independente de concordar ou não, o importante é a democracia de opiniões.
Concordo contigo, nos quesitos segurança, pontualidade e condições financeiras, pois nesses aspectos o Brasil é terrível, deixando muito a desejar. Quanto ao comportamento do povo alemão, também acho legal a honestidade (coisa que falta no Brasil), mas não me sinto bem convivendo com aquele tipo de alemão que é duro no trato, meio estúpido por natureza, aqui no Rio Grande do Sul ainda tem muitos assim.
MultiBresolin 3 months ago
@MultiBresolin Disculpe a descordancia, mas como vc disse o diaogo é tudo... E afirmo, Os tres estados do Sul sao os melhoers do Brasil para se viver muito graca a colonizacao alema e a presenca de seus descendentes... Em grande parte o Rio Grande funciona em razao da alemanzada... Já tive uma namorada de Ivoti à decadas atras. Uma mulher maravilhosa com uma família que ainda é família...Uma mulher severa mas corretissima.... Severa com os outros mas também consigo mesmo...
guariba63 3 months ago
Yeah but this was played in Germany and they had advantadge (as always they won).
WiltatKansas 2 years ago
Super deutschland !!!!! Super .... !!!
Eddore 2 years ago 7
Brazil beat this German team of 1974 one year earlier right there in Germany. Great game that was! Luis Pereira was wonderful! Gol by Dircey. That game was everything but "friendly".
Why Germany did everything they could to avoid playing Brazil in 1974? It is a matter of style and tradition. Holland was indeed terrific but the germans knew very well they had more chances playing Holland than playing Brazil. It was a matter of style and head to head history.
zhivago295 2 years ago
you are kidding...the friendly 1974 was a ugly game..brasil wasnt better but did score a goal....germany lost in this days at home 2::3 against argentina and 0:1 against yugoslawia...1968 at home germany complety has dominated brasill and the rematch in brasil has ended 2:2, germany way better than brasil in the second half. and close winning the game...
621380 2 years ago
@zhivago295 Brazil was so scary good in 1974 that they beat EAST Germany 1-0 and lost to Holland and Poland. Despite their style , they were history.
mistercreosote13 1 year ago
Only four WC-1970's Jules Rimet champions in this brazilian team:
Carlos Alberto,
Gérson,
Jairzinho and
Tostão.
RIVELINO, CLODOALDO, PIAZZA AND...
P-E-L-É
wasn't in this game!
(Félix, Brito and Everaldo, too)
What , of course, don't take the credits for the great game and victory of the great team of (West) Germany (that either wasn't the same of 1970 and 1974)
CassianoPampulha 2 years ago
CassianoPampulha 2 years ago
This was the only game between Brazil and Germany that Germany completly controlled it.
zhivago295 2 years ago 5
Germany played better here!! Brazil attacked only three times.. Germany 1974 best team EVER!!! Along with Holland the same WC and Hungary 1954!! Such teams don't exist anymore and maybe never will be....
jimrovisson 2 years ago
give me a break! Best team ever was Brazil 1970. Grmany 1974???Kidding? Good team but not among the best. Could hardly beat Chile. Lost to E. Germany to avoid playing Brazil.
zhivago295 2 years ago
I don't think so man... Total football was first played in 1974 by the finalists. You can't say what would happen if Brazil played Germany then but they lost to Netherlands eventhough they didn't play so clear...Brazil was a high quallity team but did nothing against Holland's new modern football.
jimrovisson 2 years ago
i disagree with you when you said Brazil did nothing against Holland. I recall very well that more than once Brazil´s offense beat the offside trap set by Holand and would have been in great position to score. Offsides were wrongly called. Rumors here were that Stanley Rous was mad at havelange after losing the presidency of FIFA...(. WITHOUT SAYING THAT BRAZIL LOST BECAUSE OF THE REFEREE.) But that was not one of our finest teams. We were still learning how to play w/o Pele.
zhivago295 2 years ago
Of course they had opportunities. But you must also admit that they played really hard that match. I just believe that Holland represented a new class of football that noone could match at that moment. I didn't see Brasil treated unfairly by the referee. Good teams BOTH, but Holland was playing something more similar to today's football. MY opinion always but I think I'm right.
jimrovisson 2 years ago
The guy with the number 10 shirt is Tostao, Pele. Pele did played in this game.
wesleyarts 3 years ago
My friend.
Pele was indeed in this game.
Watch at 4:25, the #10 who does 1-2 and shoots at the goal, that's Pele right there!
Also, right before that play he crossed the ball to Tostao, a white guy, but he barely missed it.
Trust me, I am Brazilian and I know this team by heart.
Cheers
duduvissotto 3 years ago
Dude that is EDU the shirt number 11. Is EDU from Santos. Thats Joao Saldanha team, he was the one trying to get Pele out of the world cup of 1970. Joao Saldanha NEVER had Pele and Tostão in the same team NEVER. Zagallo did. Joao Saldanha used to say that they could not play together because they hold the same position in the field. Pele only played as a number 10 for Brazil since 1958, is just not possible to have Tostao wearing the 10 and Pele with the number 11, just not happened.
wesleyarts 3 years ago
ok, you are right....
it makes sense to me!!!
thanks for the explanation!
Go Brazil !!!
duduvissotto 3 years ago
I am Brazilian as well.
wesleyarts 3 years ago
So tell me who won that day.
gargamel11a 3 years ago
Pele DIDN'T PLAY THIS GAME...the player doing 1-to-1 with Tostao is Edu, Santos' left winger who was a heavily left-footed player unlike Pele who was two-footed player.
Dreamland666 3 years ago
ok, if you say so......
thanks
duduvissotto 3 years ago
Pele did not played in this game.
wesleyarts 3 years ago
Pele wasnt in this game
wesleyarts 3 years ago
Of course Pele was in this game, #10 for Brazil during that time was always Pele!
duduvissotto 3 years ago
Brazil always beats Germany. Germans play ugly, dirty, too much strength, not enough skills and fair play. Pele showed Kaiser how to dance the samba:):):)
Pele', the greatest player ever!
duduvissotto 3 years ago
obviously you don't watch or play football. germany is and always has been a team of finesse and precision. they don't foul that much actually. if you want a team that fouls go look at croatia.
Metalmalitia141 3 years ago
How do you know what I play?
You obviously don't know that.....
Do you want to talk about finesse and class my friend?
I am not from England nor from The Balks, I am Brazilian, the team(Brazil) that won its firth World Cup in 2002, trashing yours in Japan, remember?
duduvissotto 3 years ago
congratulations if your brazilian. you have absolutely zero good club teams. you did terrible in 2006, and just because you had pele does not make you the best team.
Metalmalitia141 3 years ago
i am not talking about Pele, I am talking about Brazil, the team that has won five WC's, no other team has accomplished as much success, so what do you call that?
THE BEST TEAM !!!
The German team is also very good, not doubt, of course!
duduvissotto 3 years ago 2
that is true, they have won 5 world cups, but that does not make them the best team. germany is not the best either, but looking at german football world cup history they have been close contenders for almost every world cup, or they have won it. i can't say the same for brazil.
Metalmalitia141 3 years ago
In my world, and in most people's world, the team that wins more is the best, not the one that comes close to win more!
I think you are mistaken.If we look at the WC history, then Brazil is #1, Italy #2, and Germany #3.These are the best teams according to their records. The Argentina must also be there in fifth place.
if you want to talk about the team that has shown most consistency, then Germany may come in first place, which is far from being the best team!
duduvissotto 3 years ago
Why are you cursing me my friend?
Aren't you man enough to talk like real men here without showing your emotional imbalance?
No offenses, i didn't curse you, or did I?If I did, sorry, I am man enough to say that word!
I am here to discuss about the game we love:football, not to curse or offend anyone my friend!
Prost!
Anyways, I think quarter finals don't count, at least in Brazil, if you don't win the trophy, nothing else counts!!!
duduvissotto 3 years ago
ok you may have a point. but i am just going to say that i personally dont think that there is a "best team". brazil has the most WC wins, Germany is the most consistent, and italy takes the best dives to draw fouls. i will leave it at that. but don't be dissin germany calling them sloppy and dirty players. if you can find a video of a german WC team that plays dirty through out the video then i will fold. but until then, germany is the most organized and precise team out there.
Metalmalitia141 3 years ago
Not enough skills? You're talking about a three times world champion, a team that reached at least the quarters in every wc final round since 1954! Have a little bit more respect you pathetic dumbshit - that's fairplay too!
torbolski 3 years ago
Einfach nur Gänsehaut !!!
Attagansa 3 years ago
Nice video, historical. Germany against the future world champion Brazil. When Brazil played nice. Excelent.
blduw0123 3 years ago