Your attempts to label free speech as hate and racism are far from intellectual. Janeane made all the stereotypical insults . . . not the people at the tea party.
The left is afraid of the conservative revolution that is growing. They want to snuff it out by labeling supporters as ignorant racist rednecks. It seems we are the ones who actually understand capitalism and its inherent benefits over the socialism being imposed on us.
why didnt you teabaggers complain when bush spent trillions more then obama?
there will be no conservative revolution,simply because regular people who arent brainwashed by faux news recognize how hypocritical and stupid most conservatives are(rush,newt,sanford,the list goes on and on...)
3:46 - "the limbic brain inside a right-winger, or a Republican, or conservative, or your average white-power-activist is much larger in their headspace than in a reasonable person and it's pushing against the frontal lobe"
Besides sounding just like someone from the 1920's explaining why blacks can't vote, its clear she uses the broadbrush of epithet. Yet you try to smooth it over by evoking a man who taught racial bias classes to the media?
i've never seen her Janeane so astute, eloquent and hardhitting....love it! I've waited years for the truth to become mainstream, maybe things will change...i hope we can take our country back from these ignorant, warmongering, cowardly, evangelical fucking republicans
I've never seen her more lowbrow and churlish, with her smug, faux medical diagnosis and all of K.O.s phony "yeah"s, "uh huh"s and "thats right"s. It sounded like some kind of info-mercial for an Orwellian posturing dictionary. Criticism = Racism.
By the way, what do you mean "take our country BACK"? I don't believe that Atheists have ever been in charge of this country. They were, however, in charge of the U.S.S.R. - I miss that Iron Curtain and Gulag Archipeligo, maybe we can have one here
Now I know why you're so dishonest (and blatently so, as I've pointed out NUMEROUS times). You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit. Next you'll be saying OBAMA BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, THEREFORE HE'S THE ANTICHRIST.
Hahaha oh man. Gtfo. I'm no longer responding to you.
@NwZ2 - "You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit."
I'm sorry, but in your malignant narcissism, you apparently thought my "U.S.S.R." comment was addressed to YOU. If you would care to actually READ some of the posts on this thread, you might note one from a "PlanetoftheAtheists" to which I responded.
Actually, I happen to be an Agnostic who often finds hardcore Atheists to be as socially and moraly repugnant as hardcore 'Fundies'
Wow. You based your ENTIRE post on an assumption. Too bad that you assumed wrong. Not *once* did I believe that you were talking to *me*. not ONCE. Not a SINGLE part of my post indicated this as such. RATHER I pointed to your misrepresentation of atheists (which I'm not one, btw, so gotta discard that pet theory too) by claiming those in the U.S.S.R somehow did what they did because they were atheists (or so you seemed to imply, anyway).
I was merely criticizing your incorrect inference there.
Here's how stupid NwZ2's 'reasoning' is - he says with a tear in his eye - "Not *once* did I believe that you were talking to *me*. not ONCE. Not a SINGLE part of my post indicated this as such."
Then in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE he smirks - "BTW, I'm not an atheist like you thought I was"
Now, how could you say you KNEW I wasn't talking about you and then turn around and think I called you an atheist when not a single part of my post indicated as much
@NwZ2 - "Except I *didn't* say that. I said "which I'm not one, btw, so gotta discard that pet theory to" - NOT as something I *thought* you thought, but that I was ANTICIPATING THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT."
WTF is that hypocritical drivel? This after already telling me what YOU "thought I was and what I'd say" hours ago?
@NwZ2 "You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit. Next you'll be saying OBAMA BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, THEREFORE HE'S THE ANTICHRIST."
"Now, how could you say you KNEW I wasn't talking about you and then turn around and think I called you an atheist when not a single part of my post indicated as much
Face it, you got caught 'shilling' "
Except I DIDN'T SAY I KNOW. I PURPOSELY USED SARCASM AND WIT IN THAT POINT TO INDICATE THAT IT WASN'T A *SERIOUS* POINT, BUT RATHER AN INFERENCE.
Grats though, you got caught in the act of LYING in an attempt to make yourself look good.
So somehow you turned a sarcastic witty remark into me saying that I *knew* that you thought I was an atheist? That's absurdity of the highest order! It is a complete non-sequitor to come to that control in any way shape or from given the things discuss in our conversation thus far. It's completely illogical. *that* is a sign of misrepresentation: when it doesn't make sense.
What really happened was that I had brought up the subject of atheism and I shot down the possibility of character assassination via association with atheism that you MIGHT have attempted. This is the operative word: MIGHT. There was nothing in my statement that indicated I had any credible reason to believe that you THOUGHT I was, yet there was EVERY indication in my statement that showed I had reason to believe that you MIGHT attempt to attack me through that.
@NwZ2 - "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED was that I brought up the subject of atheism and I shot down the possibility of character assassination via association with atheism that you MIGHT have attempted"
There is no character assassination I could attempt that could be as complete as the one you perpetrate upon yourself with each sucessive post.
Nothing proves my point about J.G.s cynical "relabelling" better than seeing the whole thing run ad nauseum through the sausage grinder of your flawed logic
@NwZ2 - "There was nothing in my statement that indicated I had any credible reason to believe that you THOUGHT I was, yet there was EVERY indication in my statement that showed I had reason to believe that you MIGHT attempt to attack me through that."
Wow, you're just the real chess-master aren't you now.
Why? Because if you were so willing to misrepresent the position of atheism with such a remark, then it's not farfetched to think you would do the same to me, which you *have*. Bottom line is that you've been dishonest this entire time, brah, so you take cake your ignorant pretentious arrogant ways, talkin bout "wrong N strong", n step!
you have one here, its called Wall Street , with a mote around it called unregulated capitalism, guarded by money hungry manipulators and religious liars who keep the population enslaved with fear and overconsumption
this guy destroyed every one of these dumb teabaggers. CHEER IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN 250K... HAHAHAHAHAHA they didn't see it coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but they should have... teabaggers are just mad that a black man is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES... REPUBLICANS HATE THE TRUTH. I am no democrat. there is no reason to decide which side you are on. but these people are racist trash
Another siting of the frumpy "Garofolupagus" (ohh deear). She makes her arguments at a purely trailer-trash level - "their racsist cause they're sick in the head" (this after years of drug use and therapy).
And in her hipocrisy, she makes the same kind of generalized, blanket statements about all attendees of these events that are themselves the very definition of racsism and prejudice.
And here comes K.J., lickin up the spoo and spitting it back out for everybody like a good shill - YUM!
Let me just point you to an explanation expressed by Tim Wise on such terms as "they", where he explains that since the large dominant group isn't used to terminology in reference to them, they don't understand that terms such as "they" does not include everyone and anyone. Rather, it is used in an abstract, non strict sense. As basically an object to grasp on to *when* making such statements such as "they aren't there for the taxes", etc Of course you probably don't care about that bit of truth
Yet you don't deny the fact that you've shown no aptitude at truth-seeking. Gotcha
The way you speak of "truth" implies that its reasonable to believe that she implied *every* white person. I don't think any sane person would think it so.
Pulling a bunch of snippets of "bad words" without the context or pointing out how they are relevant is only a sign of mischaracterization, but keep going. You're batting a thousand. Like I said; dishonesty won't get you anywhere.
NwZ2 said - "Yet you don't deny the fact that you've shown no aptitude at truth-seeking. Gotcha"
Boy I'm smarting from that 'gotcha' - NOT!
As far as 'truth seeking', it's far more accurate to point out the specific instances of J.G.s offensive diatribe than to make an etherial referances to one mans opinion of what the word "they" means and brand it the "truth".
And tell me where the word appears in any of the quotes I reference? Not needed in place of "racists-rednecks-right wingers
NwZ2 said - "The way you speak of "truth" implies that its reasonable to believe that she implied *every* white person. I don't think any sane person would think it so."
PLEASE go back and read my original post. I'm not implying she's talking about "every white person" BUT she's clearly portraying ALL attendees of these anti-tax protests as racists or "people suffering from Stockholm Syndrome"? (tell me again about what a sane person would think)
My bad, I said "all white people". of course she wasn't referring to that because that wasn't the subject, but rather the people in the protest themselves, which is where you were correct (and what I had meant to indicate in my point). But my point still stands (which you've only corroborated). She *isn't* saying that *all* of them are racist. Rather she is setting up a profile of identification of the *difference* between legitimate concerns vs racism.
@NwZ2 - "She *isn't* saying *all* of them are racist. Rather she is setting up a profile of ident of the *difference* between legit concerns vs racism."
WRONG - What part off "all" is NOT covered by her (colloquial) statement at 3:20 "these are NOTHING BUT a bunch of"? And the comment - "a right-winger, or a Republican, or conservative, or your average white-power-activist" is NOT a gross generalization to lump them all together?
And what in the video supports her 'profile'? - Nothing.
"WRONG - What part off "all" is NOT covered by her (colloquial) statement at 3:20 "these are NOTHING BUT a bunch of"?"
There is nothing in that statement hat addresses my pointing out that she was tying her logic of "there is an inconsistency between their actions during the Bush era and their actions now, therefore they are motivated by ulterior motives" NECESSARILY LIMITS HER ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM TO THOSE DESCRIBED BY THE AFOREMENTIONED LOGICAL ARGUMENT.
Like I said, you're just pointing to the bad comments and saying "OH MY GOSH, SHE'S GENERALIZING" without saying a SINGLE reason that compels you to think this way, aside from your own bias. Conversely, I've provided *adequate* logic and reasoning behind why I say she ISN"T painting them all with one brush. You've yet to address this once more. But you're dishonest so LOL.
Also, according to you, then, she would NOT be able to reference those different groups (Republicans, etc) without generalizing them all. In other words: she couldn't make any sort of analogy without NECESSARILY generalizing them all, is what you're saying. Yea, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
"And what in the video supports her 'profile'? - Nothing. "
I *told* you and POINTED it out SEVERAL Times what supports her "profile". hell, YOU even quoted several parts that POINTED to her logical deduction of her argument. You're just a lying sack of shit that can't read anything that spells any sort of truth against whatever position you believe. Keep it up; you're making me feel really great about how much i'm going to ignore you now. ^^
@NwZ2 - "YOU even quoted several parts that POINTED to her logical deduction of her argument."
Unlike you, I'm not afraid to bring up the two instances where J.G. states that the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty because they are far outweighed by the dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate a black man" and "Klan with a K".
80% of her time dwells on racism.
You just can't read anything that spells any sort of truth against whatever position you believe.
But you HAVE NOT presented a single logical evidence by which you can make the inference that she IS generalizing all of them. Neither have you pointed to anything LOGICAL that indicates that my analysis of the situation is incorrect. IN other words, you saying "She dwells on racism" is meaningless because it does not show any logic or other line of reasoning as to HOW that affects the possibility of whether she was painting them all with one brush.
What? REALLY? Where does she say that verbatim? (Since you like to paraphrase and include lies in your pathetic attempts at paraphrasing)
Please, I'd like a timestamp where she says that EXACT same line. Seriously, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Oh, they didn't understand the original tea party. Why? because somehow the number of racist people affected their ability to understand things..."
NO! the argument was "They didn't understand it, hence they had ulterior motives". Lying sob
3:12 -"they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about"
4:58 - "most of them couldn't tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea party..."
You keep spewing how I don't make sense BUT if ONE of us is referencing the actual text to make his arguements and the other has digressed into "wittily and sarcastically" guessing what the other person will say next - pray tell who is the one not making sence?
"3:12 -"they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about"
4:58 - "most of them couldn't tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea party...""
Thank you for admitting that you're lying. I asked you for a verbatim account where she said THOSE EXACT WORDS, and I quote you:
"where J.G. states that the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty *because* they are far outweighed by the dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate...."."
I'm saying that in determining the gist of J.G.s 'Republiphobic' spew, the two instances - "where she states the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty are far outweighed by her dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate a black man" and "Klan with a K"
She's saying "gawlly them 'teabaggers' booed that feller. That means they must be RACIST. That means all Conserves and Rebubs must be RACIST cause o their limbics"
@NwZ2 - "Thank you for admitting that you're lying. I asked you for a verbatim account where she said THOSE EXACT WORDS"
What a pathetic soul you are - tell me how those quotes don't PERFECTLY support my paraphrase - I dare you - you can't because you have your "VERBATIM" UP YOUR ASH!
I can understand how you can't maintain a logical argument from sentence to sentence but you can't seem to maintain it within a single sentence
Like I said your every post is a verbal faceplant. LAAWWL
*Emphasis made by me, seeing as how *that* is the important point here. A) She did NOT say that verbatim, as you've shown, and B) she doesn't make that point at *all* because it's nonsensical. You're a lying scumbag and you've just admitted to it.
@NwZ2 - *Emphasis made by me, seeing as how *that* is the important point here."
Oh, so now YOU'RE selecting the important points here but you can't seem to finish a single post on the same point you start out on. LAWL
Like I said - if ONE of us is referencing the actual text to make his arguments and the other has digressed into "wittily and sarcastically" guessing what the other person will say next - pray tell who is the one not making sense?
You're not worth responding to, so have fun making all the proclaimations about how "you're right" knowing full well that you won't be called on the bs that you say. Hahahaha, oh man.
Those who were there that protested Bush's excessive spending, wars that made America *less* safe, etc, were completely consistant with their logic (although that does not mean they are right, but that's not what's being discuss by her in the video). Her point was that there was a significant portion which hadn't a clue about the historicity of the previous version of the "event" nor had any reasonable gripes (considering they couldn't care less if a conservative spent a lot whilst in office).
@NwZ2 - "Her point was that there was a bunch which hadn't a clue about the historicity of the "event" nor had any reasonable gripes"
That was certainly NOT her 'point'. In her first 'g'utterance at 2:55, she calls them "a bunch of racists" (though the video provides HER no context to do so) and doesn't let up for 5 solid minutes. At 3:12 , the mention of historical ignorance is purely periphrial to her exclamation point - "this is racism stright-up".
"That was certainly NOT her 'point'. In her first 'g'utterance at 2:55, she calls them "a bunch of racists""
This is where my point of citing Tim Wise comes in. She doesn't *mean* everyone, you dolt. Stop ignoring my points so you can keep uttering this garbage. If you have anything OTHER than merely pulling bad words and saying "See! That's proof", then you haven't got a point.
"though the video provides HER no context to do so"
@NwZ2 - "She doesn't *mean* everyone, you dolt.. Stop ignoring my points so you can utter this garbage.
I'm glad you know exactly what she meant. So in your book, its garbage to point out the TRUTH that in the very first sentance she spoke she called them 'racist'.
@NwZ2 - "If you have anything OTHER than merely pulling bad words and saying "See! That's proof", then you haven't got a point."
Being that my point is based on her words, it shows you haven't got the point from the start.
I EXPLAINED the context to you, being that they are INCONSISTENT in their bashing of OBAMA vs their complete abject approval of Bush's massive spending. This CONTRADICTION is evidence that they don't *care* about lowering the national deficiit, they just CARE about something else and GEE, what does white, rural, old-fashioned "America" do when threatened by something new? Yea, they get scared and attack it and cling to old ideals....like "zomg he's Black *and* muslim!"
So *that* is the context in which she argues that it's motivated by racism and/or blind partisanship. You're *lying* by saying that there is none (also called misrepresenting her position).
"the mention of historical ignorance is purely periphrial to her exclamation poin"
Again, NO IT'S NOT. it's CENTRAL to her point. She's pointing out that they AREN'T there about big government and what not! Stop being a tool and address this point rather than just saying 'NO YOU!" like a petulant child.
"As far as 'truth seeking', it's far more accurate to point out the specific instances of J.G.s offensive diatribe than to make an etherial referances to one mans opinion of what the word "they" means and brand it the "truth"."
No! You made the claim that she was talking about *all* of them. The reason why I brought up Wise's commentary was as a REBUTTAL to this point that you made (which showed that you were mistaken).
It is MISCHARACTERIZATION to take ALL the pejoratives without the context.
I think your Limric part of your brain is pushing on the front of your head. you better go get it check out for stockhoms. or welfare sickness!!!!!!!!
Why don't these idiots get it. They think that the only tax is the income tax. That's just one of HUNDREDS of taxes we (even the poor) have to pay every day. We pay them straight up or rolled into the price of things we buy every day. We pay them on the federal, state and local level. Yes, it's true that some will get a tax cut. $8 a week. WOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!! But what other taxes are going up? For example, Obama said he wants a massive energy tax (light switch tax). Great. Hmmm, food or lights....
Does this woman bathe? I mean she is disgusting? She is a racist, bc it wasn't all Repubs, out there "teabaggin", it was Repubs, Dems, Independents, blacks, whites, etc...she is a nutjob---She acts like her word is "gospel"--- How many times is she gonna say its bc a black guy is in the whitehouse? I think she is the one w/the problem w/a black man in the white house
well you are dead wrong. she is not racist at all. the teabagging bullshit was ALL REPUBLICANS. they were anti-Obama rallies free of any actual facts. did you actually watch the video? did you hear how pissed off the crowd was when they guy said it was Bush that was to blame for the budget defecit??? Are you nuts??? Do you not realize that the Republicans are pissed a black man has made it to president??? just listen to how angry the crowd gets when the man puts the blame on bush...
My sign said AUDIT THE FED!! and I have been a Ron Paul supporter for a while and the tea parties started with his supporters before Obama was in office and it was AGAINST TAX ABUSE!!!!
tax abuse??? do you make less than 250K... yes of course you do. so you are getting a tax cut from Obama. (not that tax cuts amount to anything) why so much hatred for Obama? give me some actual reason. the truth is Bush wasted more money than any other administration in history. Obama is spending money to MAKE MONEY... it is called an investment. if it falls through and we are in debt forever then I will hate him too. but he is fixing this country. a mess that Bush left us with...
if it was patriotism, texas wouldn't be talking about secession.
if it was about taxes, it wouldn't be happening in mostly red states, 'cause the red states like alaska and texas are damnnear tax free. the blue states get taxed to death. also SOMEBODY would realize that obama's plan is a tax cut for people with income under a quarter million.
if it was about government spending, they would've been protesting bush's administration.
let's see. the cloth coat republican party has become smaller and smaller. now it's become more southern, more poor and more rural - ripe for the picking of the mink coat republicans, the billionaires, who continue to try and game the system to their advantage. so what's the message?? now we get all the ignorant hyper-christianity, immigrant bashing, obama hating, secessionism, gun wielding and survivalist talk.
this is proof that they both are using Obama's race as a tool because if Obama wasn't black we would still have these parties and then what would she have to say? NOTHING.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." -Mark Twain
I don't think they are racist, I think they are really confused. They have taken Hannity, Limbaugh an d Savage for gospel. They think everything but the world is ending, when look at this we are already starting to turn the recession around. I know this because I am right here in Texas, and have listened to a lot of the crap these people are being fed.
You are such a sheep. Did you attend a Tea Party? I guess not. One if the events I attended was hosted by an African-American Student Group. Janeane is the bigot and racist. Just because I don't agree with Obama does not make me a racist. I would have gladly voted for Thomas Sowell if he had run for office (by the way, he is black).
FOX News, Hannity, Savage, etc. had nothing to do with the creation of these events. This was a grassroots effort, contrary to what Liar Pelosi tells you to believe.
Just like I said before, if Obama wasn't black, she wouldn't have anything to say. I knew back before he was elected that they would use his race for fuel against anyone who simply doesn't agree with him. Wow.
he clearly told all thoses people that their taxes were getting cut and they still booed. so what motivates their anger i dont get it
marquiseS09 2 years ago
Your attempts to label free speech as hate and racism are far from intellectual. Janeane made all the stereotypical insults . . . not the people at the tea party.
The left is afraid of the conservative revolution that is growing. They want to snuff it out by labeling supporters as ignorant racist rednecks. It seems we are the ones who actually understand capitalism and its inherent benefits over the socialism being imposed on us.
PatriotLogan 2 years ago
why didnt you teabaggers complain when bush spent trillions more then obama?
there will be no conservative revolution,simply because regular people who arent brainwashed by faux news recognize how hypocritical and stupid most conservatives are(rush,newt,sanford,the list goes on and on...)
GdHS54 2 years ago
TRILLIONS more?? Could you please show me this? I'm interested.
scatmanwfm 2 years ago
3:46 - "the limbic brain inside a right-winger, or a Republican, or conservative, or your average white-power-activist is much larger in their headspace than in a reasonable person and it's pushing against the frontal lobe"
Besides sounding just like someone from the 1920's explaining why blacks can't vote, its clear she uses the broadbrush of epithet. Yet you try to smooth it over by evoking a man who taught racial bias classes to the media?
Obviously J.G. & K.O. missed that class.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
i've never seen her Janeane so astute, eloquent and hardhitting....love it! I've waited years for the truth to become mainstream, maybe things will change...i hope we can take our country back from these ignorant, warmongering, cowardly, evangelical fucking republicans
PlanetoftheAtheists 2 years ago
Do you think for yourself yet? Please try!!
ekjohndeer 2 years ago
I've never seen her more lowbrow and churlish, with her smug, faux medical diagnosis and all of K.O.s phony "yeah"s, "uh huh"s and "thats right"s. It sounded like some kind of info-mercial for an Orwellian posturing dictionary. Criticism = Racism.
By the way, what do you mean "take our country BACK"? I don't believe that Atheists have ever been in charge of this country. They were, however, in charge of the U.S.S.R. - I miss that Iron Curtain and Gulag Archipeligo, maybe we can have one here
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
LOL "They were in charge of the U.S.S.R."
Now I know why you're so dishonest (and blatently so, as I've pointed out NUMEROUS times). You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit. Next you'll be saying OBAMA BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, THEREFORE HE'S THE ANTICHRIST.
Hahaha oh man. Gtfo. I'm no longer responding to you.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit."
I'm sorry, but in your malignant narcissism, you apparently thought my "U.S.S.R." comment was addressed to YOU. If you would care to actually READ some of the posts on this thread, you might note one from a "PlanetoftheAtheists" to which I responded.
Actually, I happen to be an Agnostic who often finds hardcore Atheists to be as socially and moraly repugnant as hardcore 'Fundies'
Thanks for outing yourself as a SHILL
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
Wow. You based your ENTIRE post on an assumption. Too bad that you assumed wrong. Not *once* did I believe that you were talking to *me*. not ONCE. Not a SINGLE part of my post indicated this as such. RATHER I pointed to your misrepresentation of atheists (which I'm not one, btw, so gotta discard that pet theory too) by claiming those in the U.S.S.R somehow did what they did because they were atheists (or so you seemed to imply, anyway).
I was merely criticizing your incorrect inference there.
NwZ2 2 years ago
Here's how stupid NwZ2's 'reasoning' is - he says with a tear in his eye - "Not *once* did I believe that you were talking to *me*. not ONCE. Not a SINGLE part of my post indicated this as such."
Then in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE he smirks - "BTW, I'm not an atheist like you thought I was"
Now, how could you say you KNEW I wasn't talking about you and then turn around and think I called you an atheist when not a single part of my post indicated as much
Face it, you got caught 'shilling'
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
Agnostic (ag-nas-tik) noun..1).a person too cowardly to take a side on issues of importance regarding dogmatic claims.
2) one who hasnt researched any facts or thought issues through enough to understand what the hell he is talking about
3) pussy
PlanetoftheAtheists 2 years ago
@PoftheA - "Agnostic (ag-nas-tik) noun..1). a person too cowardly to take a side on issues of importance regarding dogmatic claims."
Atheist - a person who believes that because people who make dogmatic claims are wrong that they MUST be right (which is in itself, a dogmatic claim).
2) - Anyone who would equate Wall St with the Iron Curtain or Gulag Archipelago definitely falls into this category.
3) - Pussy ... mmmm.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
"Here's how stupid NwZ2's 'reasoning' is"
Wow, for a second there I thought you were going to actually address my arguments. LOL I was wrong on that. So here we go on petty bs pedantic trips.
"BTW, I'm not an atheist like you thought I was"
Except I *didn't* say that. I said "which I'm not one, btw, so gotta discard that pet theory to"
NOT as something I *thought* you thought, but that I was ANTICIPATING THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. It's intelligence, nub.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "Except I *didn't* say that. I said "which I'm not one, btw, so gotta discard that pet theory to" - NOT as something I *thought* you thought, but that I was ANTICIPATING THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT."
WTF is that hypocritical drivel? This after already telling me what YOU "thought I was and what I'd say" hours ago?
@NwZ2 "You're a god damned creationist fundie lying sack of shit. Next you'll be saying OBAMA BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, THEREFORE HE'S THE ANTICHRIST."
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
"Now, how could you say you KNEW I wasn't talking about you and then turn around and think I called you an atheist when not a single part of my post indicated as much
Face it, you got caught 'shilling' "
Except I DIDN'T SAY I KNOW. I PURPOSELY USED SARCASM AND WIT IN THAT POINT TO INDICATE THAT IT WASN'T A *SERIOUS* POINT, BUT RATHER AN INFERENCE.
Grats though, you got caught in the act of LYING in an attempt to make yourself look good.
NwZ2 2 years ago
So somehow you turned a sarcastic witty remark into me saying that I *knew* that you thought I was an atheist? That's absurdity of the highest order! It is a complete non-sequitor to come to that control in any way shape or from given the things discuss in our conversation thus far. It's completely illogical. *that* is a sign of misrepresentation: when it doesn't make sense.
NwZ2 2 years ago
What really happened was that I had brought up the subject of atheism and I shot down the possibility of character assassination via association with atheism that you MIGHT have attempted. This is the operative word: MIGHT. There was nothing in my statement that indicated I had any credible reason to believe that you THOUGHT I was, yet there was EVERY indication in my statement that showed I had reason to believe that you MIGHT attempt to attack me through that.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED was that I brought up the subject of atheism and I shot down the possibility of character assassination via association with atheism that you MIGHT have attempted"
There is no character assassination I could attempt that could be as complete as the one you perpetrate upon yourself with each sucessive post.
Nothing proves my point about J.G.s cynical "relabelling" better than seeing the whole thing run ad nauseum through the sausage grinder of your flawed logic
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "There was nothing in my statement that indicated I had any credible reason to believe that you THOUGHT I was, yet there was EVERY indication in my statement that showed I had reason to believe that you MIGHT attempt to attack me through that."
Wow, you're just the real chess-master aren't you now.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
Why? Because if you were so willing to misrepresent the position of atheism with such a remark, then it's not farfetched to think you would do the same to me, which you *have*. Bottom line is that you've been dishonest this entire time, brah, so you take cake your ignorant pretentious arrogant ways, talkin bout "wrong N strong", n step!
NwZ2 2 years ago
you have one here, its called Wall Street , with a mote around it called unregulated capitalism, guarded by money hungry manipulators and religious liars who keep the population enslaved with fear and overconsumption
PlanetoftheAtheists 2 years ago
this guy destroyed every one of these dumb teabaggers. CHEER IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN 250K... HAHAHAHAHAHA they didn't see it coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but they should have... teabaggers are just mad that a black man is PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES... REPUBLICANS HATE THE TRUTH. I am no democrat. there is no reason to decide which side you are on. but these people are racist trash
KarmicJuggernaut 2 years ago
Another siting of the frumpy "Garofolupagus" (ohh deear). She makes her arguments at a purely trailer-trash level - "their racsist cause they're sick in the head" (this after years of drug use and therapy).
And in her hipocrisy, she makes the same kind of generalized, blanket statements about all attendees of these events that are themselves the very definition of racsism and prejudice.
And here comes K.J., lickin up the spoo and spitting it back out for everybody like a good shill - YUM!
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
Let me just point you to an explanation expressed by Tim Wise on such terms as "they", where he explains that since the large dominant group isn't used to terminology in reference to them, they don't understand that terms such as "they" does not include everyone and anyone. Rather, it is used in an abstract, non strict sense. As basically an object to grasp on to *when* making such statements such as "they aren't there for the taxes", etc Of course you probably don't care about that bit of truth
NwZ2 2 years ago
NwZ2 - What I don't care about are whiney spin-meisters like you.
Thanks for Tim Wise's theisis on the semantics of "they" but don't tell me there is a "bit of truth" in it relative to this video.
Go back and look at these points -
2:53 - the subtitle "capitalist tools" (off to an objective start)
2:58 - "a bunch of racists" (too many white faces for her taste)
3:22 - "nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks"
3:30 - "these type of right-wingers"
(continued)
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
Yet you don't deny the fact that you've shown no aptitude at truth-seeking. Gotcha
The way you speak of "truth" implies that its reasonable to believe that she implied *every* white person. I don't think any sane person would think it so.
Pulling a bunch of snippets of "bad words" without the context or pointing out how they are relevant is only a sign of mischaracterization, but keep going. You're batting a thousand. Like I said; dishonesty won't get you anywhere.
NwZ2 2 years ago
NwZ2 said - "Yet you don't deny the fact that you've shown no aptitude at truth-seeking. Gotcha"
Boy I'm smarting from that 'gotcha' - NOT!
As far as 'truth seeking', it's far more accurate to point out the specific instances of J.G.s offensive diatribe than to make an etherial referances to one mans opinion of what the word "they" means and brand it the "truth".
And tell me where the word appears in any of the quotes I reference? Not needed in place of "racists-rednecks-right wingers
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
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NwZ2 said - "The way you speak of "truth" implies that its reasonable to believe that she implied *every* white person. I don't think any sane person would think it so."
PLEASE go back and read my original post. I'm not implying she's talking about "every white person" BUT she's clearly portraying ALL attendees of these anti-tax protests as racists or "people suffering from Stockholm Syndrome"? (tell me again about what a sane person would think)
Is that her 'truth', criticism = racism?
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
My bad, I said "all white people". of course she wasn't referring to that because that wasn't the subject, but rather the people in the protest themselves, which is where you were correct (and what I had meant to indicate in my point). But my point still stands (which you've only corroborated). She *isn't* saying that *all* of them are racist. Rather she is setting up a profile of identification of the *difference* between legitimate concerns vs racism.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "She *isn't* saying *all* of them are racist. Rather she is setting up a profile of ident of the *difference* between legit concerns vs racism."
WRONG - What part off "all" is NOT covered by her (colloquial) statement at 3:20 "these are NOTHING BUT a bunch of"? And the comment - "a right-winger, or a Republican, or conservative, or your average white-power-activist" is NOT a gross generalization to lump them all together?
And what in the video supports her 'profile'? - Nothing.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
"WRONG - What part off "all" is NOT covered by her (colloquial) statement at 3:20 "these are NOTHING BUT a bunch of"?"
There is nothing in that statement hat addresses my pointing out that she was tying her logic of "there is an inconsistency between their actions during the Bush era and their actions now, therefore they are motivated by ulterior motives" NECESSARILY LIMITS HER ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM TO THOSE DESCRIBED BY THE AFOREMENTIONED LOGICAL ARGUMENT.
Wow. You're a waste of time.
NwZ2 2 years ago
Like I said, you're just pointing to the bad comments and saying "OH MY GOSH, SHE'S GENERALIZING" without saying a SINGLE reason that compels you to think this way, aside from your own bias. Conversely, I've provided *adequate* logic and reasoning behind why I say she ISN"T painting them all with one brush. You've yet to address this once more. But you're dishonest so LOL.
NwZ2 2 years ago
Also, according to you, then, she would NOT be able to reference those different groups (Republicans, etc) without generalizing them all. In other words: she couldn't make any sort of analogy without NECESSARILY generalizing them all, is what you're saying. Yea, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
NwZ2 2 years ago
"And what in the video supports her 'profile'? - Nothing. "
I *told* you and POINTED it out SEVERAL Times what supports her "profile". hell, YOU even quoted several parts that POINTED to her logical deduction of her argument. You're just a lying sack of shit that can't read anything that spells any sort of truth against whatever position you believe. Keep it up; you're making me feel really great about how much i'm going to ignore you now. ^^
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "YOU even quoted several parts that POINTED to her logical deduction of her argument."
Unlike you, I'm not afraid to bring up the two instances where J.G. states that the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty because they are far outweighed by the dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate a black man" and "Klan with a K".
80% of her time dwells on racism.
You just can't read anything that spells any sort of truth against whatever position you believe.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
But you HAVE NOT presented a single logical evidence by which you can make the inference that she IS generalizing all of them. Neither have you pointed to anything LOGICAL that indicates that my analysis of the situation is incorrect. IN other words, you saying "She dwells on racism" is meaningless because it does not show any logic or other line of reasoning as to HOW that affects the possibility of whether she was painting them all with one brush.
But she wasn't and you *know* this.
NwZ2 2 years ago
What? REALLY? Where does she say that verbatim? (Since you like to paraphrase and include lies in your pathetic attempts at paraphrasing)
Please, I'd like a timestamp where she says that EXACT same line. Seriously, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Oh, they didn't understand the original tea party. Why? because somehow the number of racist people affected their ability to understand things..."
NO! the argument was "They didn't understand it, hence they had ulterior motives". Lying sob
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "Where does she say that vertbatim?"
3:12 -"they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about"
4:58 - "most of them couldn't tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea party..."
You keep spewing how I don't make sense BUT if ONE of us is referencing the actual text to make his arguements and the other has digressed into "wittily and sarcastically" guessing what the other person will say next - pray tell who is the one not making sence?
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
"3:12 -"they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about"
4:58 - "most of them couldn't tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea party...""
Thank you for admitting that you're lying. I asked you for a verbatim account where she said THOSE EXACT WORDS, and I quote you:
"where J.G. states that the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty *because* they are far outweighed by the dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate...."."
NwZ2 2 years ago
NwZ2 -
More proof that you just don't get it.
I'm saying that in determining the gist of J.G.s 'Republiphobic' spew, the two instances - "where she states the protesters didn't understand the original teaparty are far outweighed by her dozen or so references to "racist", 'white power", "hate a black man" and "Klan with a K"
She's saying "gawlly them 'teabaggers' booed that feller. That means they must be RACIST. That means all Conserves and Rebubs must be RACIST cause o their limbics"
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "Thank you for admitting that you're lying. I asked you for a verbatim account where she said THOSE EXACT WORDS"
What a pathetic soul you are - tell me how those quotes don't PERFECTLY support my paraphrase - I dare you - you can't because you have your "VERBATIM" UP YOUR ASH!
I can understand how you can't maintain a logical argument from sentence to sentence but you can't seem to maintain it within a single sentence
Like I said your every post is a verbal faceplant. LAAWWL
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
*Emphasis made by me, seeing as how *that* is the important point here. A) She did NOT say that verbatim, as you've shown, and B) she doesn't make that point at *all* because it's nonsensical. You're a lying scumbag and you've just admitted to it.
Pwned.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - *Emphasis made by me, seeing as how *that* is the important point here."
Oh, so now YOU'RE selecting the important points here but you can't seem to finish a single post on the same point you start out on. LAWL
Like I said - if ONE of us is referencing the actual text to make his arguments and the other has digressed into "wittily and sarcastically" guessing what the other person will say next - pray tell who is the one not making sense?
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
You're not worth responding to, so have fun making all the proclaimations about how "you're right" knowing full well that you won't be called on the bs that you say. Hahahaha, oh man.
NwZ2 2 years ago
Those who were there that protested Bush's excessive spending, wars that made America *less* safe, etc, were completely consistant with their logic (although that does not mean they are right, but that's not what's being discuss by her in the video). Her point was that there was a significant portion which hadn't a clue about the historicity of the previous version of the "event" nor had any reasonable gripes (considering they couldn't care less if a conservative spent a lot whilst in office).
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "Her point was that there was a bunch which hadn't a clue about the historicity of the "event" nor had any reasonable gripes"
That was certainly NOT her 'point'. In her first 'g'utterance at 2:55, she calls them "a bunch of racists" (though the video provides HER no context to do so) and doesn't let up for 5 solid minutes. At 3:12 , the mention of historical ignorance is purely periphrial to her exclamation point - "this is racism stright-up".
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
"That was certainly NOT her 'point'. In her first 'g'utterance at 2:55, she calls them "a bunch of racists""
This is where my point of citing Tim Wise comes in. She doesn't *mean* everyone, you dolt. Stop ignoring my points so you can keep uttering this garbage. If you have anything OTHER than merely pulling bad words and saying "See! That's proof", then you haven't got a point.
"though the video provides HER no context to do so"
Shows you're not reading my responses to you.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2 - "She doesn't *mean* everyone, you dolt.. Stop ignoring my points so you can utter this garbage.
I'm glad you know exactly what she meant. So in your book, its garbage to point out the TRUTH that in the very first sentance she spoke she called them 'racist'.
@NwZ2 - "If you have anything OTHER than merely pulling bad words and saying "See! That's proof", then you haven't got a point."
Being that my point is based on her words, it shows you haven't got the point from the start.
Manelvagorio 2 years ago
I EXPLAINED the context to you, being that they are INCONSISTENT in their bashing of OBAMA vs their complete abject approval of Bush's massive spending. This CONTRADICTION is evidence that they don't *care* about lowering the national deficiit, they just CARE about something else and GEE, what does white, rural, old-fashioned "America" do when threatened by something new? Yea, they get scared and attack it and cling to old ideals....like "zomg he's Black *and* muslim!"
Which has been DOCUMENTED
NwZ2 2 years ago
So *that* is the context in which she argues that it's motivated by racism and/or blind partisanship. You're *lying* by saying that there is none (also called misrepresenting her position).
"the mention of historical ignorance is purely periphrial to her exclamation poin"
Again, NO IT'S NOT. it's CENTRAL to her point. She's pointing out that they AREN'T there about big government and what not! Stop being a tool and address this point rather than just saying 'NO YOU!" like a petulant child.
NwZ2 2 years ago
"As far as 'truth seeking', it's far more accurate to point out the specific instances of J.G.s offensive diatribe than to make an etherial referances to one mans opinion of what the word "they" means and brand it the "truth"."
No! You made the claim that she was talking about *all* of them. The reason why I brought up Wise's commentary was as a REBUTTAL to this point that you made (which showed that you were mistaken).
It is MISCHARACTERIZATION to take ALL the pejoratives without the context.
NwZ2 2 years ago
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Manelvagorio 2 years ago
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Manelvagorio 2 years ago
I think your Limric part of your brain is pushing on the front of your head. you better go get it check out for stockhoms. or welfare sickness!!!!!!!!
ekjohndeer 2 years ago
The word is Limbic. It refers to the part of the brain that we have in common with reptiles.
klangsteiner 2 years ago
What does a black man have to do with anything?
You are as ignorant as that stupid bitch.
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
give me liberty or give me aids
11825code6 2 years ago
Truth hurts!
theabomation 2 years ago
Why don't these idiots get it. They think that the only tax is the income tax. That's just one of HUNDREDS of taxes we (even the poor) have to pay every day. We pay them straight up or rolled into the price of things we buy every day. We pay them on the federal, state and local level. Yes, it's true that some will get a tax cut. $8 a week. WOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!! But what other taxes are going up? For example, Obama said he wants a massive energy tax (light switch tax). Great. Hmmm, food or lights....
fjwjr 2 years ago
they also don't get that we haven't even started paying taxes to pay it off. even if you don't pay taxes, the wealth still comes from your pocket.
myheadhurtsnow 2 years ago
Does this woman bathe? I mean she is disgusting? She is a racist, bc it wasn't all Repubs, out there "teabaggin", it was Repubs, Dems, Independents, blacks, whites, etc...she is a nutjob---She acts like her word is "gospel"--- How many times is she gonna say its bc a black guy is in the whitehouse? I think she is the one w/the problem w/a black man in the white house
no123girl 2 years ago
LoL- The KKK actually does have one or two black members. Saw it on Jerry Springer. Syndrome.
Its delusional if you actually think any independents, democrats, or even reasonable Republicans support that garbage.
Bunch of racist redneck trash that constantly get exposed by all channels except Fox.
You know its bad when other white people are calling that crap racist! LoL
synch1216 2 years ago
well you are dead wrong. she is not racist at all. the teabagging bullshit was ALL REPUBLICANS. they were anti-Obama rallies free of any actual facts. did you actually watch the video? did you hear how pissed off the crowd was when they guy said it was Bush that was to blame for the budget defecit??? Are you nuts??? Do you not realize that the Republicans are pissed a black man has made it to president??? just listen to how angry the crowd gets when the man puts the blame on bush...
KarmicJuggernaut 2 years ago
the fact that Fox "news" promoted the teabaggin bullshit should have given you a clue that it was an all white all Republican all racist event.
KarmicJuggernaut 2 years ago
Karmic...BULLSHIT.
My sign said AUDIT THE FED!! and I have been a Ron Paul supporter for a while and the tea parties started with his supporters before Obama was in office and it was AGAINST TAX ABUSE!!!!
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
tax abuse??? do you make less than 250K... yes of course you do. so you are getting a tax cut from Obama. (not that tax cuts amount to anything) why so much hatred for Obama? give me some actual reason. the truth is Bush wasted more money than any other administration in history. Obama is spending money to MAKE MONEY... it is called an investment. if it falls through and we are in debt forever then I will hate him too. but he is fixing this country. a mess that Bush left us with...
KarmicJuggernaut 2 years ago
oh and I agree with you the Fed SUCKS quite a bit. but all that Ron Paul stuff is mostly conspiracy theories... wake up he is nuts!!!
KarmicJuggernaut 2 years ago
Conspiracy theories???
What the hell are you tlaking about???
You OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about him. Do yourself a favor and read some of his books before you keep making RIDICULOUS statements.
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
All white Republican Racist event...lol.
Ok...whatever.
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
Actually, the teabaggers aren't the racists. Those who oppose them are.
That said, I see that Olbermann has not lost his ignorance. If he could secure a mind of his own, he might find himself on the way to enlightenment.
However, he appears addicted to his formulated prattle. He's a wannabe intellectual at best.
blacksamcooke 2 years ago
if it was patriotism, texas wouldn't be talking about secession.
if it was about taxes, it wouldn't be happening in mostly red states, 'cause the red states like alaska and texas are damnnear tax free. the blue states get taxed to death. also SOMEBODY would realize that obama's plan is a tax cut for people with income under a quarter million.
if it was about government spending, they would've been protesting bush's administration.
what are they protesting? janeane's right.
leofilm 2 years ago
let's see. the cloth coat republican party has become smaller and smaller. now it's become more southern, more poor and more rural - ripe for the picking of the mink coat republicans, the billionaires, who continue to try and game the system to their advantage. so what's the message?? now we get all the ignorant hyper-christianity, immigrant bashing, obama hating, secessionism, gun wielding and survivalist talk.
add it all up, and it's the white power movement.
teabaggers are pawns.
leofilm 2 years ago
this is proof that they both are using Obama's race as a tool because if Obama wasn't black we would still have these parties and then what would she have to say? NOTHING.
cookiesonsteve 2 years ago
they got teabagged.
NafeesLACC 2 years ago
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." -Mark Twain
jerthemessiah 2 years ago
lol @ the OBAMA acronym sign, bet someone like that thought it was pretty bright :P
ICanHasLogic 2 years ago
I'm so confused! Was the previous eight years a figment of my imagination?
The word hypocrite comes to mind. But then again, I'm retarded.
And this spokeswoman is a brain surgeon I take from her clinical reasoning for people that don't think as she does.
Drugs, they do the body good.... LOL I need what she is taking.
iretardid 2 years ago
The tea bag movement is FOX NEWS attempt to deflect you from the truth.
Watch this America:
watch?v=Rz1b__MdtHY
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
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myheadhurtsnow 2 years ago
Janeane is smart and nailed it completely. These people are racists and hypocrites.
Rodney92 2 years ago
I so agree with Janeane. These people are a bunch of idiots who are sore losers!!! Like FOX news. Fair and Unbalanced huh?
redquas6920 2 years ago
I don't think they are racist, I think they are really confused. They have taken Hannity, Limbaugh an d Savage for gospel. They think everything but the world is ending, when look at this we are already starting to turn the recession around. I know this because I am right here in Texas, and have listened to a lot of the crap these people are being fed.
yoshscout 2 years ago
You are such a sheep. Did you attend a Tea Party? I guess not. One if the events I attended was hosted by an African-American Student Group. Janeane is the bigot and racist. Just because I don't agree with Obama does not make me a racist. I would have gladly voted for Thomas Sowell if he had run for office (by the way, he is black).
FOX News, Hannity, Savage, etc. had nothing to do with the creation of these events. This was a grassroots effort, contrary to what Liar Pelosi tells you to believe.
kcarlady 2 years ago
Just like I said before, if Obama wasn't black, she wouldn't have anything to say. I knew back before he was elected that they would use his race for fuel against anyone who simply doesn't agree with him. Wow.
cookiesonsteve 2 years ago