X1000 Speed Demo at Triple Z

[pixiesoft]

The Amiga X1000 is supposed to be released in late 2011 but I dont care if it takes longer. Imagine for a second that it is as good as all us Amiga lovers expect, not with just pretty graphics and real life animation but with SOUL! Something MS has missed since it has bulldozed it's way through the market. I can't wait for the old programmers like Bullfrog (Peter Molyneux) who did the most amazing games that had lastability to come back to there roots. I bet they are just as excited.

[offroadrc]

why would i buy the amiga?

And how much does it cost?

I bet i like it more then the windows, xd

[amiga1productions]

What a load of bull, that does not run a real amiga operating system, the X1000 does.

[khvals]

@jsuttonus

“supposed to have been released back in Summer”, your wrong a pre production board was demonstrated at the “The Vintage Computing Festival 2010” in England whit beta drivers that Hyperion had reached alfa/beta stage, the beta test program however was suppose to start some where on the new year,

[khvals]

@SaganAppreciationSoc

“spries” “dual playfields” this where hardware features, common to arcade machines in 1980's,

to day we hardware acculturated 3d cards that can do the same thing.

Hardware sprites = “2D vector whit texture on it”

dual play files = “2D vector whit texture on it”

Some of the 2D games for PS3 looks really amazing.

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

The Amiga had *real* sprites and dual playfields. Does your hardware offer these? I'm sick of the oxymoron "software sprites" on todays machines which at best are really BOBs.

[amiga1productions]

@jsuttonus

You are spreading FUD, all the successful Beta Testers are being informed this week of their acceptance into the A1-X1000 Beta Test programme. so things are happening. Of course not as fast as we would like, but I'd rather we get it right this time and not have to make track alterations and add resistors and missing codec chips to the board like we had to do with the Eyetech A1-XE. At least A-EON are trying to learn from past mistakes.

[richardmaudsley77]

@amiga1productions No chipset, no sale.

[Defcom96]

@jsuttonus TROLL!

[olectrix]

Stop dreaming! What is impressive about that???

impressive is, the amiga logo is now a trademark of commodore who sells "keyboard-computers with ubuntu", impressive is that amiga.com is offline, impressive is that the "we release it in june, oh no, we release it later this year - oh no, we NEVER release it - announcements" still are sold as "news" - come on!

too many bad jokes!

make the amiga OS open source, make multi-platform capable , like linux - that´s the ONLY realistic chance for the OS

[vojinvidanovic79]

@olectrix

No, they just got AmigaInc copyright for their Commodore Amiga All-In-One-Computer that will NOT run AmigaOS.

Real new Amigas are Sam460 (avail end november) and X1000 avail during 2011

Unfortunately, it is closed source OS. You have AROS as open implementation that fullfills your wishes.

[olectrix]

@vojinvidanovic79 - What is a "real new Amiga"?

Well to continue to announce unreleased products, is precise what I have criticized in my comment before.

I am totally aware of that the OS is closed source. But the Amiga-community, devided into small and smaller parts (Morphos, AROS, Classic OS, XYZ-OS) - can that be the goal???

I repeat my self - make it OPEN SOURCE - give it a REAL chance and make it a multi-platform-os.

I was one of the last users in 1999 - I find the situation is´nt better..

[vojinvidanovic79]

@olectrix

Nah, Hyperion (and partners Acube) does not have history of "unrealised products" (maybe a game or two :-) X1000 will be out next year, and SAM`s are availiable. I agree division is wrong, but MOS was never official Amiga project, AROS too. Only AmigaOS 4 is official sucessor. Unfortunately, Hyperion wants money for their work, and its unlikely. And doubt it will solve all problems, knowing no free development comes easy. x86 version is also hard and would need Rosetta kind of emu



[steveski74]

@olectrix ... I recall seeing an article from a bloke a few years ago who had modded out his Tandy Color Computer 3 with a full on TCP/IP stack and supporting schtuff so that whilst his PC was booting he'd be reading his email within 10 seconds. There are these people referred to as "hobbyists" who like to step away from mainstream and tinker. It's so hard to do that with PCs and MACs.

[GodfleshNL]

my 4 year old laptop is even faster...lol. Today there are quad-core pc's...Amiga just can't keep up. Commodore was dying after the A1200 release years.

[vojinvidanovic79]

@GodfleshNL

Well, PowerPC PowerEfficient 2 cores that is likely to be X1000 CPU`s is among fastest PowerPC CPUs, and again, they first next to compete to x86. No one can no longer keep a run with AMD and Intel, and to be honest, I don`t see real use of all those cores and Gigaz yet.

[GodfleshNL]

@vojinvidanovic79

LOL...ever editted HD movies or play the latest pc games?? The Amiga is an obsolete system.

[vojinvidanovic79]

@GodfleshNL

If I want to play, Playstation is always best choice. And I am a bit grownup, so its some games sometimes. I have used 1Mhz computers in life, so I am not looking for whose is bigger, and Windows take much more my nerves that he is suspposed to for a long time. Nevermind, you will not understand it.

Classic Commodore Amigas are obsolete systems, while AmigaNextGens are yet to show their potential. Hardware is OK, software needs more development. DivX is OK for most of the world.

[GodfleshNL]

@vojinvidanovic79  Playstation isn't the best choice here's WHY: Sony - Through lies to the triumph. E3 2005 (1/3) <-- look up that video.

It soesn't matter who is bigger but who is FASTER.

[vojinvidanovic79]

@GodfleshNL

Well, nowadays when most of productivity software can work OK with Atom core and 1GB RAM, rest is just "bigger" ... or gameplay, which PS3 is perfect.

[steveski74]

@GodfleshNL It's frankly not about needing to keep up. The OS itself always has been able to offer all the whizz bangedry that any other OS has, but it's keep simpler, leaner and faster. The Amiga has been slandered for years even when it was big, but the fact is that the newer design of the X1000 actually goes in a different direction to the mainstream, which is what the Amigs has always been about. You don't need more mhz not ghz to have something to offer....

[steveski74]

@GodfleshNl (Sorry, not sure why this was went to you)

[Jumpseri]

I guess the Quake part isn't optimized, but damn that is slow raytracing. I've seen similar sphere software raytracing in 2000 on a Pentium 2.

[LuvPlayN]

I'm not quite sure I get what this video is implying.

Are they running the Quake 2 demo, and the Raytracing demo using ONLY the CPU? (i.e. no graphics card?)

Or is this a fully pimped out AmigaOne X1000 machine that's coming out late 2010, and struggling to keep up with a game that's 13 years old?

[vojinvidanovic79]

@LuvPlayN

Its beta OS and first display of something running on OS 4. Shame, Quake was taken that doesn`t use any GFX power and is not optimized for X1000 CPU, so for now this proves that X1000 exists. More will come. It will not be the world fastest computer, but fastests Linux and Amiga OS 4 PowerPC machine.

[amiga1productions]

Comment by ParasiteXX removed for swearing, comments welcome positive or negative views, but please keep it clean.

[vojinvidanovic79]

Thanks for the very first X1000 real use video.

No doubt over time speed will improve, with OS supporting

PCI-E high end Radeon, both cores, being CPU optimized etc.

But how faster is this then current EP440 setup?

[richardmaudsley77]

57fps is unplayable?

Okay yeah, that port is fucked up, and shouldn't be used to benchmark anything.

[amiga1productions]

@ParasiteXX

Comment by ParasiteXX removed for swearing, comments welcome positive or negative views, but please keep it clean.

[RaffaelePegasosPPC]

You moron!

To avoid silly comments by trolls, then just add in both the titles of the video, and then in the first line of the explaining lines of your video page that it is PURE SOFTWARE RENDERING with no use of Accelerated Hardware Graphics by GPU Cards.

Now you are adviced how to proceed for any future videos.

Things and facts are to be explained BEFORE and CLEAR, in order to keep the public aware of the things that they are seeing, and make them capable to understood meanings of it.

[theshadowfan]

So cool to see the Juggler again...probably the world's first raytracing demo on a consumer desktop...this time rendered in near real-time. Need to up the ante on complexity, though!

[djnykk]

I like Raytracing engine, looks very interesting! But Quake suxx a lot! It is playing terrible fast but when you slow it down, it looks also terrible but slow... Also I am sick of Quake - don`t you have some other engines to show with OpenGL or something? This will hardly impress anybody...

[vojinvidanovic79]

@djnykk

Nap, Nick, OpenGL is yet to be developed for OS4

I mean, mext time they will show you Quake2 and 3 :-)

Finally, Hyperion open promised development of better 3D drivers

[idontcaresocry]

lol this is garbage.. my pc could do things like this 5 years ago!

[mrbugjacobs]

Just to be a little negative:

Quake is not wanted in this day and age ! We need stuff and games like what the Amiga was uniquely famous for !

Not PC game remakes. They can stay on the PC.

I like the raytrace demo though :-)

[bildgucker]

a extreme slow speed with 1,8 GHZ, here can see a 300 MHZ X86 machine in you tube links are not allowed search for quake timedemo fps in google and click on 3. rd link there is a very old machine Intel Pentium II 300 MHz ASUS 440BX P2B AGPSet motherboard 64MB SD RAM Canopus Spectra 2500 TNT 16MB Diamond Monster 3D II 8MB 7.6GB Quantum Fireball EL Sound Blaster AWE 64 that give on 640*480 too over 54 fps but on quake 2. quake 2 is of course slower as quake 1

[Promilus1984]

@bildgucker

Try it with a software rendering, not VooDoo2 accelerated - then post comment, ok?

[Galnospoke]

@Promilus1984 Today cellphones (eg. with Android) has more power... Processor Speed (Mhz) FPS (Software Accelerated) FPS (Diamond Monster 2, 8 MB) Celeron 266 (66 FSB) 10.6 39.5 300 (75 FSB) 12.1 45.2 333 (83 FSB) 13.2 51.7 400 (100 FSB) 15.6 57.6 PII 266 (66 FSB) 10.8 45.8 300 (66 FSB) 12.2 49.4 333 (66 FSB) 13.6 54.7 AMD 266 (66 FSB) 7.9 23.4 300 (66 FSB) 8.3 25.9

[RaffaelePegasosPPC]

@Galnospoke

Code of Quake for Quake is not optimized for PPC while X86 versios were higly optimized in the past... Also AFAIK the 3D GL subsystem of AmigaOS is still incomplete, it supports only basic features of GL (and not the whole GL features and facilities) and it also needs to be rewritten and optimized too to gain full speed in any circumstances is intended to be used to..

[Promilus1984]

@Galnospoke

Yes, but the Quake II on this vid used C insertions in place of ASM optimizatio just to make it 'portable'. On athlon64 X2 4200 with the very same insertions game runs around 15fps at 1600x1200, check ppa.pl for more info.

[Galnospoke]

@Promilus1984

Sorry, but I dont see piont in insert bad/unoptimised code into software from different platform and make benchmark... It is nonsense.

[Promilus1984]

@Galnospoke

sorry but I don't know HOW PPC CPU could work with x86 asm code inside Quake II. That's why they used universal C insertions...which works on any compatible architecture (including m68k, ppc, x86, arm...), and that's why it allows direct comparison of different CPUs in that game. Now you understand?

[Galnospoke]

@Promilus1984

Sorry but... who cares? Optymize code and compare with optymized code. No exist optymized code for PPC? Yours problem. Benchmark it? Joke.

On that way Tetris can kill Core i7 with Terga support. What it proof - nothing.

[Galnospoke]

@Galnospoke

Tegra - I mean Tesla.

[Promilus1984]

It is you who thought X1000 CPU is worse than smart-phone - I just allowed you to realize how very mistaken you are - and why. CPUs that way can be compared at equal terms (so with no cpu specific optimizations...like altivec use). The very same way AMD and Intel uses unoptimized SuperPI app to "benchmark" while there are many faster and more accurate apps to do the same thing (so more optimized too).

[beezle1976]

It's still very disappointing for a machine of it's price. Even on my 3 year old budget Amithlon box running AmigaOS3.9 on an emulated cpu using a 10 year old 2meg matrox g200 pci graphics card I get a little over 100fps in 680x0 quake2 in software rendering at 640x480.

[vojinvidanovic79]

@beezle1976

Looks so yes, but the OS itself doesnt use full capacity of the machine (just one out of two cores,

is not oprimized and in beta testing), 3D support is weak for now and doesnt use Radeon gfx chip ablities. Its now like running it Quake II on computer with SVGA Card with no 3D. However, it will all improve, RadeonHD and Gallium3D are on the way, so next one will be much better.

Dont expect much more then Athlon X2 performance out of new AmigaX1000. AmigaOS4 runs on PPC 603 160Mhz

[StefanEdek]

July 2007???

Are you sure? Amiga's 25th birthday is in 2010 not 3 years before.

[amiga1productions]

@StefanEdek

Ooops, that was a typing error !, yes, that should be 2010 !

[jsuttonus]

Incredible! Really incredible that anyone is still playing Q2 after all these years. 

[HKvalhe]

Pretty damn amazing, i have to say! :) Love it!

[AmigaCammy]

Really cool!

[AmiDonk]

Nice