What about Tukka Rask, an amazing goalie! for andrew raycroft?! and talk about teams that missed good picks, the senators could of picked Martin Brodeur.... but didn't
@furball411 Lets see Kessel 40 goal scorer, ppg player this season. Seguin playing like a ppg player. Hamilton never played and NHL game, Knight never played an NHL game. It's kind of early to judge that trade. If both Knight and Hamilton never pan out well then ... The trade looks pretty even.
@sniperstar Hamilton is about to become a superstar top 4 defender. Seguin plays a more complete game than Kessel ever will. Phil is doing great and having a career year, but I'd rather have a younger, more complete center, a top 4 defender, and a skilled winger
@furball411 A superstar top 4 defender? If he's just a top 4 he isn't a superstar really. I see the talent Hamilton has. He will most likely become a good #3 defense man. but the possibility is there for him to never pan out. Knight. Looks to be a good 2nd winger if he pans out but at the same time he could fall short. Seguin playing a more complete game then Phil ? I'm just wondering how many Boston games do you see a year? because i watch about 20-30 and he is no defensive dynamo.
@sniperstar yeah Hamilton almost made the Bruins out of camp this year. Even if Hamilton and Knight don't work out, the Bruins still win because simply put, Seguin is a better all around player. And are you saying that Kessel is a defensive dynamo? I think everyone knows that he's having one amazing year. Seguin is a legit franchise player the Leafs pissed away.
@furball411 I didn't say Kessel was a defensive dynamo but the way you described Seguin sure made him sound like it. Seguin is average in his own end right now... Still young he can learn. But to say Seguin is the better all around player hands down is ridiculous ... At this point i'd say Seguin has the edge slightly but not by much. How often do you watch the Bruins? Kessel is having one amazing year. But Seguin isn't? Last i checked Seguin had what 20 points last season?
@furball411 Kessel is a 24 year old who has had 4 30 goal seasons now? He isn't a franchise player? idk what you are watching but to say Kessel isn't a franchise player is pretty bad. Kessel is a lot better defensively then everyone gives him credit for. I watch a lot of Leaf games as i live in Toronto and there are times where Kessel literally wills the puck from the other teams forwards ... He back checks hard now and breaks up quite a few odd man rushes...
@sniperstar why the hell are leaf fans still talking about this kessel is really good but seguin will also be really good one day maybe a superstar no doubt about it its done forget about it. look for the future
@mikeeey47 I don't mean to bring it up. But the guy was saying it was bad and i was defending it. Plus this is on a video of Top 5 worst trades in TML history so you know. That kind of trade can be scrutinized and brought up here. It's going to be brought up sometime or the other. I myself rather not speak about it but i also will defend it as i thought it was a good move by Burkie.
@sniperstar oh im sorry i thought this was the other guy my bad man. But yea i guess your right i thought it was a good move to, at least there are some good leaf fans still out there
@mikeeey47 as for Luongo sucking - he has never won a Stanley Cup and a pylon could have won with the 2010 Canadian team in front of it.....He is never going to be a goalie that a team can rely on to win big games - just look at the last 3 years in the playoffs....he has lost all but 1 elimination game and that one went to OT because he coughed up the tying goal in the last 5 minutes. He can't handle pressure which is not something you want in an 'elite' goalie
@mikeeey47 How does any of that factor into this trade? The Isles got nothing for Luongo, so whatever happens later in his career is not a result of this trade. In fact he was 7-14-1 when he played an entire 1 season with them. Not to mention that was right in the middle of the Cujo era, so obviously Toronto was having no problems with goaltending. It's all speculation on what 'could have been'. If you want to talk career stats 564 points in 793 games and Schnieder had 743 points in 1289 games
I would have ranked the Courtnall- Kordic trade as the worst all time.
As for the Kurvers for 1st round trade, yes... hindsight is 20/20. I didn't like the trade at the time either, but I would not rank it the worst of all time.
The fact is, at the time Toronto was chasing a playoff spot and the media was all over the Leafs about getting a solid defenseman to be competative. Kurvers was no all star, but he delivered exactly what the Leafs expected of him. He was a stable, decent defenseman.
People forget that these teams these players went too had a group of players to support them...do you honestly think that they would have done the same for TO?
how was the Clark/Schnieder deal a bad one? Luongo sucks and he never really did anythingfor the Isles....Clark is a legend, and Schnieder had some good years in Toronto....weak sauce
The Sittle one was the worst- who was Rich Costello? The all time team leader in points and goals at the time; the Captain for years; 10 points in a game- still a record; 5 goals in a playoff game (vs Philly)- still a record, the winning goal in the Canada Cup....brutal....
Why do they use the stat of stanley cup rings as an argument against a trade? It doesn't really say anything about that players productivity, instead it just says that the team they were traded to was good
might wanna add two first rounders and a second rounder for kessel. aka tyler SEGUIN, dougie hamilton, and jared night all top players in their leagues
@jamesdallimore i disagree. i mean that was definately too much to give up, but the leafs got the best player in the deal. kessels not the most complete player, but he certainly has the most offensive upside.
@TheDanDickson yea but seguin leads the league in plus/minus, dougie hamilton leads the ohl in scoring and jared knight is also one of the top scorers in the ohl
There's a reason everyone watches TSN instead of Sportsnet. The trade to bring back Clark was a good one. Kenny Jonsson was a soft and constantly injured, while the Leafs probably wouldn't have drafted Luongo with Felix still good and young. Also, there was no indication that Parent would be as good as he ended up being while he was in Toronto. We had Palmateer in the 70's anyways and he was pretty awesome.
what they missd too mention is that even if toronto had them...they would still suck balls, i hate to say it but......they should go st.johns newfoundland, at least there they would be a funny joke, not a complete disaster and disgrace in toronto. REDWINGS RULE ALL!
@fingaboadr lol i'll be honest whenever toronto and detroit square off i wince just on the fact i know they'll lose almost every time" its a curse i tells yah" lol, also im proud of that stanley cup fact i just wish they would win one again, i do like the leafs but ARGH managment and many other factors ruin any chance to get there ahhh its frustrating as hell "rage mode". and if you wanna see a wild record......check out what major professial sports team had made the playoff's the most..hint RW
@matty6868 dont get me wrong, i like the wings. i was just giving some freindly heckling. yea, the problem with the leafs is ballard screwed so much shit up back in the 70/80s that we havnt really found any good management. and as long as those people keep buying tickets, the leafs dont really care how bad they play, as long as they get their money. if this were happening in montreal, the fans would say piss on 'em. but, ill always be a leafs fan and im sure you'll be a wings fan till you die.
@fingaboadr sorry...bit of a mood yesterday so i didnt mean to be rude, and i completly argree but yeah ballards a fool i figured they woulda got it by now argh its annoying...good talent but no managerial plan to get the team moving i hate it so much...nd yea til they put me in the ground....but when toronto wins the cup again....i'll probably run threw the streets painted blue and white jus because it finally happend!!!! btw kool fingerboard vids thats crazy!!
Where's Raycroft for Rask btw? That deal is an even bigger stinker, gave up what will most likely be a top franchise goalie for Dallas' current back-up.
3rd overall pick Niedermayer went on to win Stanley Cups, sounds alot like 2nd overall Tyler Seguin...
Had Burke realized this wasn't like his previous teams and couldn't be rebuilt overnight, he wouldn't have been so brazen to trade those picks. I mean don't come to a team that came 5th last and trade their picks like you're going somewhere, chances are you'll go from 5th to 1st than to 15th, so yes the Kessel trade was stupid. Seguin's already a better 2-way, can score, and they have Hamilton
#4 was not a good trade, but not among the 5 worst for leafs; trading sittler was bad more in terms of public relations, strategy-wise not so bad; sittler was near the end of his career at the time of the trade; trading away rick vaive for almost nothing in 87 was far worse
Luongo's overrated anyways I just laugh at all the people who make a big deal about him and hype him up!! Yeah you keep doing that...only for him to choke and prove to you that he's not deserving of the hype :D
I'm still not convinced Seguin would be a good fit in T.O. T.O had a lot of highly touted prospects and first round picks in the past that went bust because they were rushed by Leaf Management. Tlusty, Colaiacovo, Pogge were expected to be the future. Kadri looks like hes gonna b added to that list of leaf busts. Boston does a much better job than Toronto at developing young prospects. If Seguin was a Leaf, chances r he wud get rushed and turn into a nobody. Id just take Kessel the sure scorer
@Znbnm2012 I dont think drafting more prospects and then rushing them is gonna solve anything. U dont always have to develop and draft especially if ur not good at it like T.O is. U can trade for prospects, It's easier to measure a player's potential when they have had some experience at the pro level and r further in development. Also how can u say Phaneuf and Kessel are going nowhere? T.O has improved alot since Burke arrived. Phaneuf, Kessel, Lupul r a huge upgrade from Stajan/Hagman/Mayers
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Lucic, Seguin >>> Draft picks, what a solid group
The rest was done through smart trades.
You build the team up through drafting then add players along the way. Toronto hasn't done this. Post lockout NHL has been about cap flexibility and smart drafting. Boston Bruins drafted well and managed their cap well which is why they didn't do a Chicago in the offseason.
@Znbnm2012 23 man roster. Where are the rest? Trades and FA acquisitions are the norm. Sucking shit for years at a time is no way to build a championship (looking at you Pitts).
There is no "way" to build a championship team. It will change every year. Having a # of players on ELC is more a factor of cap management.
Toronto's done both and it's finally working for them. 2nd in the conference at the moment and still are getting better. There is a lot more room up for this team to go.
Pitts won the cup and went back to back in the finals. They're a cup contender again this year. Bad example. Drafting allows you to develop solid young players without being up against the cap and allows you to add players through FA/Trades when you need them as a missing piece or plugging holes.
Out of the top 6...Kulemin is the only draft pick with Kadri and Colborne being question marks. Burke messed up when he threw away those picks for Kessel and cramped up cap space for phaneuf but Lupul, gardiner, colborne were magnificent deals. But I think the whole kaberle, mccabe, sundin, etc 2007-08 fiasco really handcuffed the team's future. had they traded those guys for serious picks, prospects, players...much better future than now.
i really don't know why people are complaining about the kessle trade you need to think kessle himself is still a young hockey player with alot to prove and he improves on points every year and putting up 30 + goals every year with no good center backing him up is really good to me. no body knows this kids futer give him a few year's and possibly boston could very well be kicking there selfs for the trade. just wate only time will truley tell stop judging so earley.
@tucker21jpt i agree with you kessel is a great player and hes young. but if i had to chose between him or seguin and dougie hamilton. id take seguin and hamilton
@tucker21jpt Wow your spelling is really awful... Why would Boston be kicking themselves, they just won a stanley cup and got 2 first rounders from Toronto...
@imitatedsmile Stajan, Hagman, White Mayers for Phaneuf & Aulie, Beauchemin for Gardiner & Lupul, Versteeg for 1st & 3rd Rd pick. Wendel Clark + 1st rder for Sundin, Leaf garbage players for Doug Gilmour & Macoun, Grant Fuhr for Dave Anderchuck, 2nd round pick for John Michael Liles.
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The deal is lopsided for sure, but only in hindsight... Could tell you it was a very weak draft, the players let burke down yada yada.... The reality is Bruins got a sick package, while TO sped up the rebuild a little with a 23 yr old one-shot scorer. Kessels still a sick player I dont care who you cheer for, and I'd rather have a GM that has the balls to fuckin make deals
it will take a couple of years for seguin to get better so that will soon be number 1
short term goes to toronto as boston went to dead last in scoring that year (of trade)
long term goes to boston as seguin is highly talented, hamilton (dont know) and knight seemed good at last years rookie game against NYI (sorry for the bad vote)
seguin was the reason boston beat tampa in the playoffs, so i hope no leaf fans are making excuses for why they think they got the better end of this trade because they sure didn''t.
i bet if toronto finished above a lottery pick no one would say nothing about the fucking kessel trade if you really love your team u will stop bitching and complaining and just let them play
@Po0ksta Come on, Tyler Seguin is not going to be a superstar, he will be good. but not a superstar. Doug Hamilton the kid wont even be laying next year. He is good though. Now take a look at a team like toronto they would be waiting another 4 years at the least to make the playoffs IF THEY HAD SEGUIN AND HAMILTON. They made this deal to bring in a guy that can bring a little more experience to the team. Look at Grabosvki he was 10 to 13 goal scorer. When Kessel arrived he scored like 20+ goals.
Kessel for Seguin and another first rounder??? was there a second rounder in there too? Either way, that trade is gonna hurt in five years when Seguin is winning scoring titles.
Oh, don't worry gang, as you're all telling me: "The Leafs are doing just fine--you'll see, next season--you'll see!" In another 44 seasons you'll start to see the consequences all over again and realize the general trend (of real crappy management decisions that Leaf Nation is willing to bend over and take up the) and maybe you'll all wake up and smell the coffee by then...if you're all still above the ground, that is. Yes, just keep buying your seasons tickets and clicking your heels together.
Die hard loyalty is a double edged sword. Say what you want about the fan base, but the ACC is always packed with fans. That can't be said about many franchises across major league sports.
WTF...Brian Burke traded away the Leafs # 1 pick that turned out to be the 2nd overall pick, Brian Burke also included another # 1 pick and a # 2 pick all of this to get Phill Kessel....WTF ??? This trade will go down as the worst trade in Toronto maple leaf history.
@Darionthisguy It will be #1. Seguin showed flashes of brilliance in the playoffs and he will undeniably be a force within the next three years. Hamilton will be an absolute beast of a defenseman and Knight looks to be a solid NHLer.
@nmbluegrass seguin showed flashses of brilliance aka. got a few rebounds, hamailton isnt as good as hes touted, it was a weak draft, and coming from a avid knights fan knight doesnt have nhl level defense play and hes not gonna score
@bigmace1000 Cool but it's yet to be known whether or not Seguin, Hamilton and Knight will live up to their draft placement. So it's kind of early to be saying it will be the worst trade in Leafs history. What if it turns out that Boston might as well have drafted Diagle and Stefan XD Obviously doesn't look to be the case for Seguin but that remains to be seen.
The poor job wasn't the trade but Burke's projection of where Toronto would have finished since he's been proficient with high picks
@W7z However you slice it, Burke overpaid,keep in mind how some former #2 overall picks turned out..Shanahan, Linden, Nedved,, Yashin, Redden, Sedin, Heatley, Spezza, Muller, Pronger just to name a few..The deal is already a total flop, Kessel is no superstar, He had more shots on net than almost every player in the NHL yet he had one of the worst scoring % and zero leadership.Burke pays him 5-6 million while Boston pays Seguin,Knight and Hamilton 50 dollars and a free hot dog
@bigmace1000 Yeah he did overpay I'm not saying he didn't. But every trade you make or don't make, you're taking a chance on players and with picks you're chancing players yet to have a face. What is the chance that a top 10 pick will turn into a star? I dunno but hardly all of them. +what were the chances Toronto was going to be a basement team anyways. Chance odds or get an established, in Burke's words, elite young player. Disagree with that or not he's lead the team in goals 2 years in a row
Anyone who says that the owners don't care about the teams making the playoffs because they sell out every game is fucking dumb as nails. When the leafs make the playoffs they make MORE fucking money then they do in a regular season game. Ticket prices go up and concessions go up as well. If anything they WANT them to make the playoffs but the problem is they just assemble shitty fucking teams due to poor management decisions.
Wake up Leaf Nation!!! Get your collective, loyal but stupid asses in gear! If you want to FORCE the management to start selecting quality draft picks and trading with sharp insight to build a winning team, you need to BOYCOTT the games. BOYCOTT season's tickets! Get off your * and get concerned with the future of your hockey club! The Leafs make enough money to keep MLSE in the black each year and all they care about is a profit, leaving Leaf Nation to pay their way through every mundane season
@dustymiller65 where have you been bud? the leafs hiring a guy like burkie (who in turn revamped our whole front office) was all the change we needed. Just watch this next season how competitive the team will be. and expecting leafs fans to boycott games is pretty silly. even if the fans who are lucky enough to go to games regularly stopped attending, true die hard leafs fans like myself and millions of others who arent so lucky would gladly see our boys play, win or lose
those were good deals...maybe except for the sittler trade.
rsookdeo1 1 week ago
that last trade (#5) was one of the worst for the NY Islanders too. Too bad Vancouver has that seive now.
lakeerie90s 1 week ago
Louongo hahahahahahaa
Kylehuge21 1 week ago
Raycroft for Rask is another terrible trade by the leafs
shaggylemonsQ 3 weeks ago
What about Tukka Rask, an amazing goalie! for andrew raycroft?! and talk about teams that missed good picks, the senators could of picked Martin Brodeur.... but didn't
irssssss 3 weeks ago
haha I was mad when the Ducks traded Jake Gardiner. But i can always laugh at you assholes about Tyler Seguin, Hamilton and Knight
furball411 3 weeks ago
@furball411 Lets see Kessel 40 goal scorer, ppg player this season. Seguin playing like a ppg player. Hamilton never played and NHL game, Knight never played an NHL game. It's kind of early to judge that trade. If both Knight and Hamilton never pan out well then ... The trade looks pretty even.
sniperstar 3 weeks ago
@sniperstar Hamilton is about to become a superstar top 4 defender. Seguin plays a more complete game than Kessel ever will. Phil is doing great and having a career year, but I'd rather have a younger, more complete center, a top 4 defender, and a skilled winger
furball411 3 weeks ago
@furball411 A superstar top 4 defender? If he's just a top 4 he isn't a superstar really. I see the talent Hamilton has. He will most likely become a good #3 defense man. but the possibility is there for him to never pan out. Knight. Looks to be a good 2nd winger if he pans out but at the same time he could fall short. Seguin playing a more complete game then Phil ? I'm just wondering how many Boston games do you see a year? because i watch about 20-30 and he is no defensive dynamo.
sniperstar 3 weeks ago
@sniperstar yeah Hamilton almost made the Bruins out of camp this year. Even if Hamilton and Knight don't work out, the Bruins still win because simply put, Seguin is a better all around player. And are you saying that Kessel is a defensive dynamo? I think everyone knows that he's having one amazing year. Seguin is a legit franchise player the Leafs pissed away.
furball411 3 weeks ago
@furball411 I didn't say Kessel was a defensive dynamo but the way you described Seguin sure made him sound like it. Seguin is average in his own end right now... Still young he can learn. But to say Seguin is the better all around player hands down is ridiculous ... At this point i'd say Seguin has the edge slightly but not by much. How often do you watch the Bruins? Kessel is having one amazing year. But Seguin isn't? Last i checked Seguin had what 20 points last season?
sniperstar 3 weeks ago
@furball411 Kessel is a 24 year old who has had 4 30 goal seasons now? He isn't a franchise player? idk what you are watching but to say Kessel isn't a franchise player is pretty bad. Kessel is a lot better defensively then everyone gives him credit for. I watch a lot of Leaf games as i live in Toronto and there are times where Kessel literally wills the puck from the other teams forwards ... He back checks hard now and breaks up quite a few odd man rushes...
sniperstar 3 weeks ago
@sniperstar why the hell are leaf fans still talking about this kessel is really good but seguin will also be really good one day maybe a superstar no doubt about it its done forget about it. look for the future
mikeeey47 2 weeks ago
@mikeeey47 I don't mean to bring it up. But the guy was saying it was bad and i was defending it. Plus this is on a video of Top 5 worst trades in TML history so you know. That kind of trade can be scrutinized and brought up here. It's going to be brought up sometime or the other. I myself rather not speak about it but i also will defend it as i thought it was a good move by Burkie.
sniperstar 2 weeks ago
@sniperstar oh im sorry i thought this was the other guy my bad man. But yea i guess your right i thought it was a good move to, at least there are some good leaf fans still out there
mikeeey47 2 weeks ago
@mikeeey47 Ahah no problem dude. It happens.
sniperstar 2 weeks ago
Scott Niedermayer....UGH !...and the Ballard curse still exists to this day !
buckweat666 4 weeks ago
How about Macauley, Boyes and a 1st for Owen Nolan......
gordo281 1 month ago
@mikeeey47 as for Luongo sucking - he has never won a Stanley Cup and a pylon could have won with the 2010 Canadian team in front of it.....He is never going to be a goalie that a team can rely on to win big games - just look at the last 3 years in the playoffs....he has lost all but 1 elimination game and that one went to OT because he coughed up the tying goal in the last 5 minutes. He can't handle pressure which is not something you want in an 'elite' goalie
gordo281 1 month ago
@mikeeey47 How does any of that factor into this trade? The Isles got nothing for Luongo, so whatever happens later in his career is not a result of this trade. In fact he was 7-14-1 when he played an entire 1 season with them. Not to mention that was right in the middle of the Cujo era, so obviously Toronto was having no problems with goaltending. It's all speculation on what 'could have been'. If you want to talk career stats 564 points in 793 games and Schnieder had 743 points in 1289 games
gordo281 1 month ago
I would have ranked the Courtnall- Kordic trade as the worst all time.
As for the Kurvers for 1st round trade, yes... hindsight is 20/20. I didn't like the trade at the time either, but I would not rank it the worst of all time.
The fact is, at the time Toronto was chasing a playoff spot and the media was all over the Leafs about getting a solid defenseman to be competative. Kurvers was no all star, but he delivered exactly what the Leafs expected of him. He was a stable, decent defenseman.
RemoteMemory 1 month ago
People forget that these teams these players went too had a group of players to support them...do you honestly think that they would have done the same for TO?
Survious 1 month ago 5
@Survious You're right because you know scott niedermayer would have sucked and never won a norris if he went to TO
jacob6733 4 weeks ago
how was the Clark/Schnieder deal a bad one? Luongo sucks and he never really did anythingfor the Isles....Clark is a legend, and Schnieder had some good years in Toronto....weak sauce
gordo281 1 month ago
@gordo281 Agreed it wasn't that bad. Rask for Raycroft was way worse.
PeteCore75 1 month ago
@gordo281 luongo has a gold medal and over 320 wins doesn't suck your just a fucking retard
mikeeey47 1 month ago
It's not like we traded Chris Chelios, John Leclaire, Pierre Turgeon, Ted Kennedy and Patrick Roy for next to nothing.
brokennarcissist 1 month ago
Raycorft was worst than all these trades combined.
brokennarcissist 1 month ago
The Sittle one was the worst- who was Rich Costello? The all time team leader in points and goals at the time; the Captain for years; 10 points in a game- still a record; 5 goals in a playoff game (vs Philly)- still a record, the winning goal in the Canada Cup....brutal....
triactorpat 1 month ago
Why do they use the stat of stanley cup rings as an argument against a trade? It doesn't really say anything about that players productivity, instead it just says that the team they were traded to was good
Mercmitch20 1 month ago
@Mercmitch20 Do you know the players he was talking about?
BobLeeSwagger17 1 month ago
How about every trade or draft pick John Ferguson made. Also, putting steve sullivan on waivers.
limegreenpatato 1 month ago
only one of those trades were bad.
DrMugggles 1 month ago
Imagine... The leafs could have had Luongo and Neidermeyer,....
Neodiums 1 month ago
@Neodiums luongo's shit tho
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
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ryhelm63 1 month ago
Another bad trade the the leafs made was Kubina and Stapleton to Atlanta Thrashers for Stuart and Exelby......
EhWhiteCanadian 1 month ago
@EhWhiteCanadian That wasn't a bad trade, we were trading Kubina for cap space, not Stuart and Exelby.
bigllama99 1 month ago
@bigllama99 Oh ok, it makes more sense now lol, thanks for clearing that up :D
EhWhiteCanadian 1 month ago
@EhWhiteCanadian how was that bad besides theyre all bad players?? lol
kegler27 1 month ago
@kegler27 Depends, why do you think they are all bad players?? lol :P
EhWhiteCanadian 1 month ago
too bad the guy they got for russ DIED
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
Luongo = overrated.
bsdaemon666 1 month ago
ill take kessel over seguin any day.
bsdaemon666 1 month ago
How about two first round picks for Phil Kessel ... LOL
wheresmyrematch 1 month ago
what about rask for raycroft?
dubyahDETZ 1 month ago
Like this if you a Leafs fan and cry errytime after they make a trade
jdew99 1 month ago
The Leafs are a fuckin' joke. Period.
DoubleDion97 1 month ago
might wanna add two first rounders and a second rounder for kessel. aka tyler SEGUIN, dougie hamilton, and jared night all top players in their leagues
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
@jamesdallimore i disagree. i mean that was definately too much to give up, but the leafs got the best player in the deal. kessels not the most complete player, but he certainly has the most offensive upside.
TheDanDickson 1 month ago
@TheDanDickson yea but seguin leads the league in plus/minus, dougie hamilton leads the ohl in scoring and jared knight is also one of the top scorers in the ohl
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
There's a reason everyone watches TSN instead of Sportsnet. The trade to bring back Clark was a good one. Kenny Jonsson was a soft and constantly injured, while the Leafs probably wouldn't have drafted Luongo with Felix still good and young. Also, there was no indication that Parent would be as good as he ended up being while he was in Toronto. We had Palmateer in the 70's anyways and he was pretty awesome.
bigllama99 1 month ago
@bigllama99 r u kidding? niedermayer is one of the best defencemen of all time! it was a huge deal when he left jersey to go to anaheim
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
@jamesdallimore Notice my comment didn't say anything about the Neidermayer trade.
bigllama99 1 month ago
@jamesdallimore whoops wrong reply XS
jamesdallimore 1 month ago
lol people talking about the kessel trade. they're probably all kissing his ass now.
gleeson630 2 months ago
what they missd too mention is that even if toronto had them...they would still suck balls, i hate to say it but......they should go st.johns newfoundland, at least there they would be a funny joke, not a complete disaster and disgrace in toronto. REDWINGS RULE ALL!
matty6868 2 months ago
@matty6868 we beat you last nite:D we also have more cups than you;P
fingaboadr 1 month ago
@fingaboadr lol i'll be honest whenever toronto and detroit square off i wince just on the fact i know they'll lose almost every time" its a curse i tells yah" lol, also im proud of that stanley cup fact i just wish they would win one again, i do like the leafs but ARGH managment and many other factors ruin any chance to get there ahhh its frustrating as hell "rage mode". and if you wanna see a wild record......check out what major professial sports team had made the playoff's the most..hint RW
matty6868 1 month ago
@fingaboadr sryy most consecutive playoff's of any sports team.
matty6868 1 month ago
@matty6868 dont get me wrong, i like the wings. i was just giving some freindly heckling. yea, the problem with the leafs is ballard screwed so much shit up back in the 70/80s that we havnt really found any good management. and as long as those people keep buying tickets, the leafs dont really care how bad they play, as long as they get their money. if this were happening in montreal, the fans would say piss on 'em. but, ill always be a leafs fan and im sure you'll be a wings fan till you die.
fingaboadr 1 month ago
@fingaboadr sorry...bit of a mood yesterday so i didnt mean to be rude, and i completly argree but yeah ballards a fool i figured they woulda got it by now argh its annoying...good talent but no managerial plan to get the team moving i hate it so much...nd yea til they put me in the ground....but when toronto wins the cup again....i'll probably run threw the streets painted blue and white jus because it finally happend!!!! btw kool fingerboard vids thats crazy!!
matty6868 1 month ago
@matty6868 its cool and thanks, it my other hobby after my gf and sports. haha
fingaboadr 1 month ago
glad they didn't include the kessel trade. watch him be a great playoff producer if/when the leafs get back to the playoffs
Tbagurdrumset94 2 months ago
The leafs traded for Kurvers during the 89/90 season, Niedermayer was drafted in 91
placidDUNDAS 2 months ago
story, of my, facking, life .
paulstarr20 2 months ago
I'm not too upset about missing out on Luongo.
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noobhunter402 2 months ago
this is funny because toronto usually ends up fleecing calgary
fetchy15 2 months ago
Where's Raycroft for Rask btw? That deal is an even bigger stinker, gave up what will most likely be a top franchise goalie for Dallas' current back-up.
MyNameIsMcBad 3 months ago
3rd overall pick Niedermayer went on to win Stanley Cups, sounds alot like 2nd overall Tyler Seguin...
Had Burke realized this wasn't like his previous teams and couldn't be rebuilt overnight, he wouldn't have been so brazen to trade those picks. I mean don't come to a team that came 5th last and trade their picks like you're going somewhere, chances are you'll go from 5th to 1st than to 15th, so yes the Kessel trade was stupid. Seguin's already a better 2-way, can score, and they have Hamilton
MyNameIsMcBad 3 months ago
You bitches still complaining about the Kessel trade now?
MrPinkFlammingo 3 months ago
Toskala trade should be at least #5...
pacemaker2point0 3 months ago
leafs could have had Luongo and Niedermayer,
NoobTheEpic 3 months ago
you could make a top 50
etiendre 3 months ago
damn niedermayer...the guy is a legend and the Leafs missed out...
jfdhjgdh2010 3 months ago
#3 overall for who?????
smyleh 3 months ago
what about the lanny mcdonald trade in 79??
and the trading away of Rick Vaive in 87 for a bag of pucks??
Those trades are far worse than those trades listed here, except #2 and #1
#1 seems bad in hindsight, but had they kept that draft pick, they probably would have picked some dud instead of niedermayer
lakeerie90s 3 months ago
#4 was not a good trade, but not among the 5 worst for leafs; trading sittler was bad more in terms of public relations, strategy-wise not so bad; sittler was near the end of his career at the time of the trade; trading away rick vaive for almost nothing in 87 was far worse
#3 was not so bad either, luongo is over-rated
lakeerie90s 3 months ago
Dam we missed out on Scott Niedermayer.
Oo2k10 3 months ago
What about trading Tukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft? What about trading their 1st and 2nd round picks for Vesa Toskala?
dfbhcf 3 months ago
JustinJusticeTV that's really random ! And so
cnucksfan94 3 months ago
Luongo's overrated anyways I just laugh at all the people who make a big deal about him and hype him up!! Yeah you keep doing that...only for him to choke and prove to you that he's not deserving of the hype :D
JustinJusticeTV 3 months ago
I'm still not convinced Seguin would be a good fit in T.O. T.O had a lot of highly touted prospects and first round picks in the past that went bust because they were rushed by Leaf Management. Tlusty, Colaiacovo, Pogge were expected to be the future. Kadri looks like hes gonna b added to that list of leaf busts. Boston does a much better job than Toronto at developing young prospects. If Seguin was a Leaf, chances r he wud get rushed and turn into a nobody. Id just take Kessel the sure scorer
CorruptedFilms 3 months ago
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Znbnm2012 3 months ago
@Znbnm2012 I dont think drafting more prospects and then rushing them is gonna solve anything. U dont always have to develop and draft especially if ur not good at it like T.O is. U can trade for prospects, It's easier to measure a player's potential when they have had some experience at the pro level and r further in development. Also how can u say Phaneuf and Kessel are going nowhere? T.O has improved alot since Burke arrived. Phaneuf, Kessel, Lupul r a huge upgrade from Stajan/Hagman/Mayers
CorruptedFilms 3 months ago
@Znbnm2012 Ummm... Boston? Have you look how their team was assembled? Stop it.
Hendy100 3 months ago
@Hendy100
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Lucic, Seguin >>> Draft picks, what a solid group
The rest was done through smart trades.
You build the team up through drafting then add players along the way. Toronto hasn't done this. Post lockout NHL has been about cap flexibility and smart drafting. Boston Bruins drafted well and managed their cap well which is why they didn't do a Chicago in the offseason.
Znbnm2012 3 months ago
@Znbnm2012 23 man roster. Where are the rest? Trades and FA acquisitions are the norm. Sucking shit for years at a time is no way to build a championship (looking at you Pitts).
There is no "way" to build a championship team. It will change every year. Having a # of players on ELC is more a factor of cap management.
Toronto's done both and it's finally working for them. 2nd in the conference at the moment and still are getting better. There is a lot more room up for this team to go.
Hendy100 3 months ago
@Hendy100
Pitts won the cup and went back to back in the finals. They're a cup contender again this year. Bad example. Drafting allows you to develop solid young players without being up against the cap and allows you to add players through FA/Trades when you need them as a missing piece or plugging holes.
Znbnm2012 3 months ago
@Hendy100
Out of the top 6...Kulemin is the only draft pick with Kadri and Colborne being question marks. Burke messed up when he threw away those picks for Kessel and cramped up cap space for phaneuf but Lupul, gardiner, colborne were magnificent deals. But I think the whole kaberle, mccabe, sundin, etc 2007-08 fiasco really handcuffed the team's future. had they traded those guys for serious picks, prospects, players...much better future than now.
Znbnm2012 3 months ago
kessels leading in points fuckers
coolguycole112 3 months ago
@swed420ws haha thanks you
mikeeey47 3 months ago
Kessel trade was definately a good one, he was a first round pick too.
chrisleafs230 4 months ago
we could've had roberto luongo AND scott niedermayer?
f**k
at least the kessel and phaneuf trade turned out pretty good
phychobobDW 4 months ago
I don't think any of burkes trades were a loss :P
Soulslayer43 4 months ago
No Lanny Mcdonald?
JayP812 4 months ago
I"m Sorry guys but i really believe that Kessel will be surprising more people in the months to come.. just saying!
ryecoke332 4 months ago
It seems I hear "a 1st round pick" alot
Lindstorm1 4 months ago 10
dumb show
BlueBlazer89 4 months ago
OMG you mean Luongo the choke in playoffs? If he cant handle Vancouver pressure, he cant handle the Leafs
SOLIDSNAKEXXX360 4 months ago 3
@SOLIDSNAKEXXX360 then he would be perfect for the leafs!
rcbasher101 4 months ago
We could have had Luongo? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
mrryan12r 4 months ago
Ohh shit... Could have had Luongo
55WazGoinOn55 5 months ago
we could have had roberto luongo? are you fucking kidding me?
MrShane737 5 months ago 2
i really don't know why people are complaining about the kessle trade you need to think kessle himself is still a young hockey player with alot to prove and he improves on points every year and putting up 30 + goals every year with no good center backing him up is really good to me. no body knows this kids futer give him a few year's and possibly boston could very well be kicking there selfs for the trade. just wate only time will truley tell stop judging so earley.
tucker21jpt 6 months ago 11
@tucker21jpt I have two words for you....Tyler Seguin
michaelcurtis91 2 months ago
@tucker21jpt look at his season today
dj5o5o5 1 month ago
@tucker21jpt i agree with you kessel is a great player and hes young. but if i had to chose between him or seguin and dougie hamilton. id take seguin and hamilton
MOMOarabe 1 month ago
@tucker21jpt Wow your spelling is really awful... Why would Boston be kicking themselves, they just won a stanley cup and got 2 first rounders from Toronto...
wheresmyrematch 1 month ago
@tucker21jpt
I'm pretty sure Leafs fans are now over it considering Kessel's good performance this year.
ElBarto3131 1 month ago
I'm down cow.
TYSON729 6 months ago
Im surprised Lanny Mcdonald wasnt on this list
yupperslupper2 6 months ago
All Leaf trades are terrible..
imitatedsmile 6 months ago
@imitatedsmile Stajan, Hagman, White Mayers for Phaneuf & Aulie, Beauchemin for Gardiner & Lupul, Versteeg for 1st & 3rd Rd pick. Wendel Clark + 1st rder for Sundin, Leaf garbage players for Doug Gilmour & Macoun, Grant Fuhr for Dave Anderchuck, 2nd round pick for John Michael Liles.
Yeah I guess ALL leaf trades are terrible...not.
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unbeleafablefilm 7 months ago
duncan keith?
jerodirwin66 7 months ago
The deal is lopsided for sure, but only in hindsight... Could tell you it was a very weak draft, the players let burke down yada yada.... The reality is Bruins got a sick package, while TO sped up the rebuild a little with a 23 yr old one-shot scorer. Kessels still a sick player I dont care who you cheer for, and I'd rather have a GM that has the balls to fuckin make deals
JimB667 7 months ago
it will take a couple of years for seguin to get better so that will soon be number 1
short term goes to toronto as boston went to dead last in scoring that year (of trade)
long term goes to boston as seguin is highly talented, hamilton (dont know) and knight seemed good at last years rookie game against NYI (sorry for the bad vote)
BruinsFan444 7 months ago
Not as bad as I thought it would be
TenaciousSki 7 months ago
seguin was the reason boston beat tampa in the playoffs, so i hope no leaf fans are making excuses for why they think they got the better end of this trade because they sure didn''t.
djfgjd11 7 months ago
wasen't there a 3 way trade in the late 60's between Montreal,Chicago and the Leafs?
It was something like Montreal sent Tony O to the Leafs in return for Dryden and the Leafs traded Tony O to Chicago for someone i dont remember?
dizzybenny 7 months ago
Luongo played like 20 games for the Islanders.
ElBarto3131 7 months ago
It's fitting how the score ticker at the bottom has the score of the Leafs game that they lost 5 - 1!
habsfan120 7 months ago
Luongo isn't actually a great goalie... at least in the playoffs he is one of the worst. xD
Rodri2782 7 months ago
Luongo sucks
rottingmeatman 7 months ago
we coulda had luongo and nedermier
jordmaitland00 7 months ago
Fuck you Toronto -:(
joelib62 7 months ago
its ok leaf fans...think of it in a bright way...you guys get fucked by every team in nhl but you guys fuck the flames like no other............
BashfulProductions 7 months ago
i bet if toronto finished above a lottery pick no one would say nothing about the fucking kessel trade if you really love your team u will stop bitching and complaining and just let them play
baseball02life 8 months ago 30
lol this is a stupid video there's no way you can predict a player's future success in the NHL
Frano911 8 months ago
@Frano911 i could have predicted that the 3rd overall pick would be better then tom kurvers
tjackson76 8 months ago
oh man, #1 killed me the most
handpartyable 8 months ago
Kessel for Tyler seguin (Stanly cup champ, Soon to be superstar) Doug Hamilton (Soon to be superstar)
Po0ksta 8 months ago
@Po0ksta Come on, Tyler Seguin is not going to be a superstar, he will be good. but not a superstar. Doug Hamilton the kid wont even be laying next year. He is good though. Now take a look at a team like toronto they would be waiting another 4 years at the least to make the playoffs IF THEY HAD SEGUIN AND HAMILTON. They made this deal to bring in a guy that can bring a little more experience to the team. Look at Grabosvki he was 10 to 13 goal scorer. When Kessel arrived he scored like 20+ goals.
FpsKanada 8 months ago
@FpsKanada what are you saying, tyler seguin will be a superstar, an so will hamilton, i can guarantee that
Po0ksta 8 months ago
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@Po0ksta Just sit back and watch.
FpsKanada 8 months ago
@Po0ksta dont forget jared knight too; if kessel cant score 50 goals im gonna be embarrassed of that kessel deal forever
GoGoGamble 8 months ago
@GoGoGamble and those picks will score 50 goals? rofl
aplayaz2000 8 months ago
Every hockey club has bad trades.
dajusta87 8 months ago
@4Bold You're right. Looking back at Toronto's scouts we probably would have gotten Patrick Poulin in '91 and Daniel Tkaczuk in '97.
TommyRizos 8 months ago
2010 and 2011 first round for kessel
Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft
Beantown37 8 months ago
toronto is stupid what the hell ar3e they thinking trading scott niedermier
bruins0266 8 months ago
It also doesn't mean that those players would produce/play the same with the Leafs as opposed to the teams they later flourished.
xTnT87 8 months ago
@4Bold Damn leaf fans are dumb
kewlnsimpguy 8 months ago
@kewlnsimpguy leaf fans are the best
lemonadefan03 8 months ago
When are we going to ever get a cup to celebrate? Woes this organization even care about winning?
chineseal 8 months ago
@4Bold Yeah, those teams DID fail, they missed out on a great player. This is possibly the worst argument you could bring up.
kewlnsimpguy 8 months ago
@4Bold It means you could have, so epic fail.
kewlnsimpguy 8 months ago
Kessel for Seguin and another first rounder??? was there a second rounder in there too? Either way, that trade is gonna hurt in five years when Seguin is winning scoring titles.
vg543 9 months ago 2
@vg543 yes because you can predict the future
aplayaz2000 9 months ago
@vg543 Yes..Burke also gave them a 2nd round as well....Burke messed up bad...
bigmace1000 9 months ago
Goddamn that hurts! But remember the Dion Phaneuf trade! Say what you want about Dion but I think they stole him and he's a great captain.
lucysnow1851 9 months ago
@lucysnow1851 aulie, too.
07foxmulder 9 months ago
Oh, don't worry gang, as you're all telling me: "The Leafs are doing just fine--you'll see, next season--you'll see!" In another 44 seasons you'll start to see the consequences all over again and realize the general trend (of real crappy management decisions that Leaf Nation is willing to bend over and take up the) and maybe you'll all wake up and smell the coffee by then...if you're all still above the ground, that is. Yes, just keep buying your seasons tickets and clicking your heels together.
dustymiller65 9 months ago
@dustymiller65
Die hard loyalty is a double edged sword. Say what you want about the fan base, but the ACC is always packed with fans. That can't be said about many franchises across major league sports.
redwingfan41 9 months ago
WTF...Brian Burke traded away the Leafs # 1 pick that turned out to be the 2nd overall pick, Brian Burke also included another # 1 pick and a # 2 pick all of this to get Phill Kessel....WTF ??? This trade will go down as the worst trade in Toronto maple leaf history.
bigmace1000 9 months ago
@bigmace1000 not win seguin fails to score 40 and kessel does
Darionthisguy 7 months ago
@Darionthisguy It will be #1. Seguin showed flashes of brilliance in the playoffs and he will undeniably be a force within the next three years. Hamilton will be an absolute beast of a defenseman and Knight looks to be a solid NHLer.
nmbluegrass 7 months ago
@nmbluegrass seguin showed flashses of brilliance aka. got a few rebounds, hamailton isnt as good as hes touted, it was a weak draft, and coming from a avid knights fan knight doesnt have nhl level defense play and hes not gonna score
Darionthisguy 7 months ago
@bigmace1000 Cool but it's yet to be known whether or not Seguin, Hamilton and Knight will live up to their draft placement. So it's kind of early to be saying it will be the worst trade in Leafs history. What if it turns out that Boston might as well have drafted Diagle and Stefan XD Obviously doesn't look to be the case for Seguin but that remains to be seen.
The poor job wasn't the trade but Burke's projection of where Toronto would have finished since he's been proficient with high picks
W7z 7 months ago
@W7z However you slice it, Burke overpaid,keep in mind how some former #2 overall picks turned out..Shanahan, Linden, Nedved,, Yashin, Redden, Sedin, Heatley, Spezza, Muller, Pronger just to name a few..The deal is already a total flop, Kessel is no superstar, He had more shots on net than almost every player in the NHL yet he had one of the worst scoring % and zero leadership.Burke pays him 5-6 million while Boston pays Seguin,Knight and Hamilton 50 dollars and a free hot dog
bigmace1000 6 months ago
@bigmace1000 Yeah he did overpay I'm not saying he didn't. But every trade you make or don't make, you're taking a chance on players and with picks you're chancing players yet to have a face. What is the chance that a top 10 pick will turn into a star? I dunno but hardly all of them. +what were the chances Toronto was going to be a basement team anyways. Chance odds or get an established, in Burke's words, elite young player. Disagree with that or not he's lead the team in goals 2 years in a row
nmr77 6 months ago
The top 5 what? Worst trains? wtf
psychictangler 9 months ago
Anyone who says that the owners don't care about the teams making the playoffs because they sell out every game is fucking dumb as nails. When the leafs make the playoffs they make MORE fucking money then they do in a regular season game. Ticket prices go up and concessions go up as well. If anything they WANT them to make the playoffs but the problem is they just assemble shitty fucking teams due to poor management decisions.
robroythefirstmm 9 months ago
KESSEL?
Stevensc33 10 months ago
Wake up Leaf Nation!!! Get your collective, loyal but stupid asses in gear! If you want to FORCE the management to start selecting quality draft picks and trading with sharp insight to build a winning team, you need to BOYCOTT the games. BOYCOTT season's tickets! Get off your * and get concerned with the future of your hockey club! The Leafs make enough money to keep MLSE in the black each year and all they care about is a profit, leaving Leaf Nation to pay their way through every mundane season
dustymiller65 10 months ago
@dustymiller65 shutup
killerconky 10 months ago
@dustymiller65 where have you been bud? the leafs hiring a guy like burkie (who in turn revamped our whole front office) was all the change we needed. Just watch this next season how competitive the team will be. and expecting leafs fans to boycott games is pretty silly. even if the fans who are lucky enough to go to games regularly stopped attending, true die hard leafs fans like myself and millions of others who arent so lucky would gladly see our boys play, win or lose
mrscttwhlr 9 months ago
hm....looks like boston could use kessel now!!!!
assassin72 10 months ago