Dr Wesley Muhammad vs Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi: Was the Prophet Black or White?

[AMRSBZ]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS A MAN OF WHITE COMPLEXION WHO WAS RAISED AMONG A BLACK FAMILY AND BLACK NATION OF KUSHITES. HE DESCENDED FROM THE WHITES WHO HAVE BEEN SHELTERED AMONG THE BLACK NATION OF ARABIA SINCE THE DAYS OF ABRAHAM OR LONGER. ZZZ?

[MegaLazybastard]

He was white just face it white is right

[dontebone]

syrians are white,mixing with the greeks.way back in the time of alexander.prophet muhammed lived in arabia.its hot as hell over there 125 degrees.whit people cant survive there.he was a nice size dude and even had waves in his hair.who calls the prophet a cracker.who does that

[CRITICZ1000]

Shaykh Muhammed al Yaqoobi is correct in what he has says Rasoolallah sallalu alayhi wasalam skin colour was white with a touch of pinkness.

Proof? Read the shamail of Imam Tirmidhi the student of Imam Bukhari, or read all the hadith you can on the topic, they all indicate to the same thing.

Shaykh Muhammed is the 13th grandson of Rasoolallah salallahu alayhi wasalam. He is one of the true ulema May Allah subnahuwatallah bless him.

[Quranite]

@CRITICZ1000 The shama'il says he was asmar. That is not pink or white, or white with a touch of pinkness. It is Awraq or Al-wurqah, which is a shade of blackness.

[biblefarce]

@Quranite So this man is not saying the white race is superior.

[qas86]

What is this? Do you even know who Sayyiduna Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi is? Yes indeed he is a descendant of our Master Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa alihi wasallam through his father, al-'Allamah al-Sayyid Shaykh Ibrahim al-yaqoubi (the Qutb of his time) AND though his mother - making him a Hasani Husayni Sayyid. This is rigorously authenticated by his chains of Transmission and his lineage which has been traced in every single generation back to Rasulullah SallAllahu alayhi wa alihi wasallam

[Quranite]

 If the prophet Muhammad sas was an aboriginal Arabian, then how could his skin have been white? Elijah said that he was a white man, and we know that Elijah didn't use English like the old Arabs used Arabic. When Elijah said white man I'm sure he wasn't talking about the purity of the last prophet's character like the old Arabs meant when they used the word white person. We know Elijah was saying that the prophet Muhammad was a Caucasian. This is wrong

[Quranite]

@18744cal This is besides the point. You are arguing everything BUT the facts. Does it hurt you that Yaqubi is a liar and that your perceptions are wrong. I have been to the Arab world AND to Africa. That doesn't mean much to you telling you on the computer as you can never prove MY experiences for yourself, and if you are bent on not believing me you won't. But seriously why are you adding all of these side topics in? Why can't you deal with the topic?

[Quranite]

@06alamm I am not a big fan of Elijah either, but don't you think that is besides the point. Dr. Wesley uses traditional Islamic sources of the utmost reputation to prove his point. The fact that aboriginal Arabs were and are still black has nothing to do with Elijah Muhammad. Elijah believed that the prophet Muhammad (sas) and aboriginal Arabs were white. Which traditional Islamic sources prove to be a false believe and that aboriginal Arabs including the prophet Muhammad were/are black.

[mutantz]

@Quranite Elijah never said that the aboriginal people of Arabia were white but he did say that prophet Muhammad pbuh had white skin.

[demarcox25]

@Quranite Correction The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught The Prophet Muhammad was of The Black Nation......

[trayder29]

@demarcox25 No he didn't.

[Quranite]

@18744cal This comment is uncalled for, is racist and unislamic.

[subzero786]

any one who beleieves one race is superior to another is a jahil. Racism was the first sin, why do i say this? because Iblis, a Jinn made from Fire, thought he was better than Adam Alayhisalam a Man made from the earth. The Prophet s.a.w. said a black man is not better than a white man, nor is a white man better than a black man, except for by their piety. Shaykh, is without a doubt a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. however wes has no noor in his words & is a Jahil

[Quranite]

@subzero786 Whose saying that one race is better than another? No one. However, the point has been made the aboriginal Arabs of Arabia were and still are black! And so what the prophet Muhammad, God bless him. Go see Save The True Arabs Dot Com and if you want i can send you some quotes from Lisanul Arab.

[Quranite]

@Quranite correctio:, and so WAS the prophet Muhammad God bless him.

[69nuz69]

What a thing to waste your time with!

[Quranite]

@69nuz69 Is it possible to waste your time and truth and correct the lies that many believe?

[eljahsiemallah]

@18744cal TUREGS ARE DARKSKINNED BERBERS FOOL.

[18744cal]

@eljahsiemallah Perhaps i used the wrong word, i did it purposefully though so you understand the difference between dark skinned and black because there is a difference go and study physical anthropology. Berbers are not black, thats my point. Go to the berber mountains 'fool' and see for yourself.

[Quranite]

@18744cal I have physically met BLACK/NEGRO Berbers. You are wrong.

[18744cal]

p.s your the one who worships fard Muhammad, who was definetly other than black! We dont worship human beings you do, go and study! I bet you wish you never dropped out of high school now huh.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Honestly, I was convinced you had mental issues by reading your posts. And that still may be the case. However, it seems that you are somewhat intelligent in your ability to invent all of these insulting and imaginative responses. What is your goal with this? To insult and reject like the Kuffar insult and reject our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sas)? As far as I know Fard was a misguided lightskinned black person. Although Warith and the FBI report suggest non-American origin .

[meandwot]

everyone knows the prophet was black these white people are not arabs, egyptians or berbers they are just parasites who cannot explain why there is no historical record of a white african the french song of rolland which describes the arabs refers to them as being as black as ink as black as pitch with nothing white on them except their teeth.

[nineballssj9]

get'em westly

[18744cal]

word of advice when debating history, use documented historical factual sources. Dont worry i know i blown your cover but its just between me and you, your secret is safe with me. 'peace'.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Again, i think you are not well from some of the things that you have said. So I won't argue with someone who is not well. peace.

[18744cal]

The fact your a Quranist just sums up everything. You admitted hadith is not your religious authority? well what is hadith? ORAL transmission what was the Qur'an? ORAL transmission from the mouth of the Prophet. To deny one means to deny the other. Do you not see why your fake religion makes no sense and is just perfect for the orientalist to criticise? of course your religion was probably made by the orientalists because isnad and hadith has always got under their skin.

[18744cal]

@18744cal Funny because its clearly getting under your skin aswell. 'it is we who have sent down the reminder (Quran) and it is we who will preserve it' (15:9) its already been preserved my friend and theres nothing you can do about it. so have a coke and a smile and keep it moving :-)

[Quranite]

@18744cal Again being a Quranist has nothing to do with this topic. If you want to learn more about Quranists and why we believe what we believe google quranists and quranites and check out the pages by actual Quranists/quranites. that will help you get better opinion. Peace.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Yeh you mean like the clear contradictions in your fake religion that just got made up a few years ago? At least in the end you admitted 'google' is your teacher and your source of information. Well i will google it when i want to learn about it and when you want to learn about true Islam go and sit at the feet of real human beings (like shaykh Muhammad al yaqoubi) who have an unbroken chain of teachers known as ijazah that go back to the Prophet saw and learn from them.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Ijazah is just another reason why this deen cannot be distorted from little schisms like the ones you follow. And at least you admit your 'arguing' im just here passing through, you know ;-) 'peace'

[Quranite]

@18744cal Yeah, I don't believe in that white devils stuff. I'm not in the nation, and disagree with their beliefs that don't vibe with the Quran. Anyway, peace.

[Quranite]

@18744cal This video is for you: watch?v=nzTtV0tLrco

[18744cal]

@Quranite Everyhing has been documented in history, the truth is out their for those who seek it. If your so sure about the truth why you debating?. Why you getting emotional on me for? i think i touched a soft spot with all those comments. Like you said truth hurts huh. Your like a parrot, read all your comments you just repeat the same fallacies over and over, typical sign of misguidance. Cant think out of the box.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Okay. Peace.

[18744cal]

@Quranite dont need to watch any videos. Do you even know who wesley was? the founder of the methodist ideology. Funny how he would keep that name and share so many of his views in his creed. Your not even educated its so obvious. Your knowledge is so limited. Its funny how your arguments as a Quranist are similiar to orientalists. Perhaps both of you and dr wesley are in disguise huh? those comments really touched a sensitive spot, truth really does hurt.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Hold on, hold on. You are saying that this Dr. Wesley on the video is the founder of what? The Methodist Christian ideology/denomination? Nuff said. Peace be with you.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Get an education. Like i said study physical anthorpology, history, biological science and logic because yours is flawed. And i mean what has scientifically been proven not theories. Is asmar exclusive to black people you muppet? there are many ways to describe black people in the arab world. Of course you never been there because your leader got thrown out lol so your afraid to go there. I bet your girlfriend is white and so is your boss lol yet you hating on the white man so much.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Okay. Peace.

[18744cal]

@Quranite If thats what you call sources you might aswell used Tupac shakur 'black jesus' as a source aswell lol You a comdedian for real though, you starting to make this entertaining again, lets get a deal with HBO bro i be your manager, trust me your arguments would make excellent stand up. how much they paying you though? i know some orientalists with similiar ideas looking for sum pay, you got any jobs goin for them? p.s im not a salafi so no saudi pay roll here bro ;-)

[Quranite]

@18744cal Okay. I know you are not well. So I am trying to ease out of the discussion with you. Again, peace.

[18744cal]

@Quranite show me a one chain of exsisting lineage that is completely black goign back to the Prophet saws. Chek out shaykh Muhammads chain an check and see if every person exsisted in history. Thats what you call FACT. Alhamdulillah it goes back to the beggining of the argument which is isnad. You the orientalist the christian have NO AUTHORITY because we have isnad so dont blame me,blame the great mujtahids for this great innovation that destroys all false accusations to the deen of islam.

[18744cal]

and of course your greatest blunder of all. You ever heard of a black man going red in the sun??? your so stupid its unbelievable. Do you know anything about meloning in the skin, didnt think so. infact heres a list of thing you need to go study and dr wesley too. 1. physical anthropology, 2.biology 3. history (the facts) 4. more arabic (with arabic masters none which exsist in america) and last but not least logic. Your a comedian in the complete form. seriously get a deal with HBO.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Are you dislexic? I said that the red (white) color was on the skin that WAS NOT exposed to the sun. Arabs called the Persians, Byzantines and Slavs red, and these are darker Caucasoids. You might think I'm funny, and fools usually do laugh at truth, but seriously your case is not funny at all. It is quite sad. The sad part is that I gave you the quotes and you still choose to refuse. God knows best but how could you claim to know faith, or any truth when you reject plain evidences?

[Quranite]

@18744cal Oh and how about this hadeeth guy. If you read ibn Hishaam's seerah, in the first part of it you will see where it quotes a hadeeth saying 'When you go through the land, protect the darker black people (as-suhmu) because they have ties of lineage (nasab) and marriage (Sihr) with you.' I'll see if I can find a source for this on google. I actually have Ibn Hisham's Arabic seerah. It is then explained that this tie with the dark blacks is from Hajar. Suhm is al-udmah and darker.

[18744cal]

and one last time, ASWAD = BLACK not ASMAR. a person with brown skin is described as asmar or a person who was fair and became dark by the sun. Youve just ended the whole argument because you dont even know the word for black in arabic yet claim to be a master in the language. Get out of here man and go to hawai with your CIA comrads and sip on a cocktail!

[Quranite]

@18744cal I guess this is what i get for talking to a fool. Aswad technically = As-ham (hard h) and as-ham equals udmah shadeedah and udmah equals sumrah shadeedah. Believe me when I tell you that anyone who is considered aswad is called asmar and vice-versa. Go ask any Arab and they will atleast be able to tell you that. I don't know the word for black? I know several words for black. And I don't need to google them. Only distinctly brown and black skin (not tanned skin) is called asmar.

[Quranite]

@Quranite That is why your lying sheikh needed to deny that the prophet was Asmar, when it is plainly written in the book that he pretends to explain that the prophet was Asmar.

[18744cal]

@Quranite what about the black slaves why were they called 'black slaves than if arabs were black? and what about bilal? why was he called the the first 'black' slave to become muslim? Like i said go to Africa and tell the africans your arabs and lets see the response. Your count of history and religion and science and pretty much everything is all theory, Not a single fact and youve got the cheek to tell me to look at the sources?

[18744cal]

and one last time, ASWAD = BLACK not ASMAR. a person with brown skin is described as asmar or a person who was fair and became dark by the sun. Youve just ended the whole argument because your dont even know the world for black in arabic yet claim to be a master in the language. Get out of here man and go to hawai with your CIA comrads and sip on a cocktail!

[Quranite]

@18744cal And where are you getting this CIA crap from? I'd tell you to sip on something, but it wouldn't be a cocktail.

[18744cal]

what came first? your Quranist school of the traditional school of thought? theres like 10 of you in the world compared to the 1billion plus sunnis, youve made so many contradictions its ridiculous, we all know your really here to confuse people with your unreliable made up modernist ideas that have came about this century, and your on the bush pay roll. Yes we know whats really going on with the christian missionarys pretending to be muslim.

[Quranite]

@18744cal So numbers gives validity? As the Quran says most people are like cattle or worst. You can keep your sheeple mentality. Some of us follow truth because it's truth, not because 1 billion people think like us. No modernist ideas here, and no bush payroll. But maybe you're on the Saudi payroll? Or maybe worse, you are a lost fool who may find himself roasting in Hell because he really doesn't know any truth let alone the truth of Allah and his book.

[18744cal]

p.s Your a 'Quranist' so show me in the Quran where it says the Prophet was black. Perhaps you do not know your own creed so ill help you out, you reject everything but the Quran which means as a Quranist you have to use the Quran as your source of proof, for all arguments, if you accept there are other sources (which you already have ya'ni contradiction to your creed) apart from Qur'an than im sure you have understood what that means.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Please don't use red-herrings. According to the hadeeth and the linguistic authoritative works of ancient Muslim Arabic scholars the prophet Muhammad was black. That is the fact that you cannot deny. You are all over the place. As a Quranist I don't follow hadeeth as my religious authority and religious guide. Instead of trying to tell me about my creed why don't you stick to the point and accept that according to sources that you cannot deny and that you accept the prophet was black.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Personally, the only thing I can accept from an ahadi hadeeth about the color of the prophet Muhammad (God bless him) is that the Arabs and persians of the time of early islam believed that he was black. It is according to the Arabic language itself and the accounts of the lineage of the prophet's tribe and of the Arabs as a whole that we learn that pure Arabs are only BLACK Arabs, that most Arabs during that time were black and that the Quraysh were a pure Arab tribe, and hence black.

[18744cal]

@Quranite first of all thank you for exposing yourself and ending this conversation because of course anyone who goes and does some research (most people reading these comments are ignoramuses like yourself and wont) will come to see that your full of contradictions and you infact dont even understand your own belief like all little groups that come out, your not a quranist you claim to be a quranist what you should do is start up a new group and called your religion 'ad-deen al aswad'

[18744cal]

@Quranite He is the Prophet of Allah lord of the worlds, who cares what colour his skin was? shouldnt we be more concerned with his message and teachings and practising them? the fact that his skin tone is such a big deal to you sums up your whole perspective and ignrorance of not only historical facts but your understanding of the Prophet and religion in general, no wonder your part of a schism anyway people with your type of mentality never change so im probably wasting my time was-salam

[Quranite]

@18744cal You are an idiot. You just can't deal with the fact in the Classical Arabic texts. Why do you continue to argue. Go hate the truth alone, by yourself. Because that is all you are doing fighting the truth. And you are no authority on who is a Quranist and who is not, and what makes one. You are a fool, arguing against truth like fools do. I sent you quotes from Lisanul-Arab which obviously you have not read and will not read. You have the heart of a true kaafir.

[18744cal]

@Quranite If you accept any kinda of hadeeth you cannot be a quranist so to say that you do and claim you are is a contradiction, IF you do accept hadeeth and are planning on starting a new religion branched of Islam your going to have to study the sceince of isnad, when you do you will come to know there are hadith not one byt 1000's that are as sound in narration and their chain which are so strong that there almost as factual as the Quran its self, Even the Quran is preserved through isnad

[Quranite]

@18744cal Again you are a no authority on what makes a Quranist. A Quranist accepts only the Quran for his religious guidance and hadeeth have no impact on his religious guidance. I'll say that again, religious guidance. However authentic hadeeth that can be proven to be mutawaatir or mutawaatir al-ma3any that don't contradict the Quran or themselves can be taken as true historical accounts. Once they fall out of this category the weaker they are. However hadeeth have NO religious authority.

[Quranite]

@18744cal But what are we arguing here? Are we arguing what constitutes a Quranist? Or are we arguing whether the Classical Arabic texts confrim that the Arabs were black and hence also the prophet Muhammad, and his family? Get your arguments straight instead of trying to personally attack me about my creed. Deal with the issue! I have sent you quotes from lisaanul-Arab, and if you were honest and could read them you would not be arguing your fool's argument!

[18744cal]

@Quranite Infact all islamic sciences are presreved through isnad, which is why nobody (even though many attempts in history and in modern time are made) can change this religion. As for everything you just said regarding what you accept (as if anyone cares), you took it straight from out of your pocket and just told straight lies!!!Of course there are no hadith that suggest the prophet was black and that the Quraysh were black you will find quite the opposite when you go research

[Quranite]

@18744cal You will believe what you want to be believe. The literature is ripe with the fact that the Quraysh was a black tribe. You are fool of fools, in denial. You indeed have the heart of a kaafir. You refuse to read what I have sent you and refuse to go double check Dr. Wesley's sources if you had such doubt. You just blindly fire back with what you want to believe with no sources, and no strong evidence based in the Classical Arabic language. You have been defeated. Go to your cave now.

[18744cal]

@Quranite the one hadith that people like yourself use to promote your false understandings is explained by the shaykh (who has a sound chain of linage that goes back to the Prophet and his mother tongue is arabic) you cant just pick and choose hadith you ignoramus thats not how it works, each hadith has a sanad, depending on its narrators and their strength determines the strentgh of the hadith, as a quranist you cant accept anything but Quran anyway so your a confused individual

[Quranite]

@18744cal You defend this sheikh like he is your god. Maybe he is. Astaghfirillaah!! Those hadeeth about the prophet being black are from the Sahih hadeeth of tirmidhi!! A source which YOU accept, nevermind me having to accept it. You are the confused individual. You don't even follow what you claim to when it is not convenient for you. That man is a Byzanite Roman! He is no aboriginal Arab!! Read the quotes that I sent you and submit to the truth. You must rectify your heart to see truth.

[18744cal]

@Quranite As for 'dark skin' arabs, nobody inscluding shaykh Muhammad al yaqoubi (may Allah presrve him) denies this fact, the evidence is clear in saudi arabia and yemen, however dark skin doesnt mean 'black' like 'african black' as your putting it, indians are dark skinned but their not black or what you term 'black' are they? go study these something called phsyical anothropology, if a person is dark skin it doesnt make them 'african black'

[Quranite]

@18744cal Aboriginal Arabs were (and are) black like Africans! They have dark skin and kinky hair. A few have straight hair, as do some Africans. They most resemble Black East Africans like the Beja and the Somali. Additionally I have seen these people with my own eyes. Obviously you have not. When you meet black Arabs they are black like Africans, especially East Africans. Again, Black like Africans! I see your problem here, you are anti-African. Well, sorry your fantasy bubble just got popped.

[18744cal]

@Quranite dark skin arabs look nothing like africans just like ethiopians and somalians and the berbers (who are all african in origin) but they have different bone structures to africans, a person skin colour does not make them black go and educate yourself in physical anthropology, The shaykh was teaching a particular hadith compilation on the prophet but their are many many sahih hadiths that shows us the evidence that the Prophet was fair skinned, from literal descriptions

[Quranite]

@18744cal Ethiopians have different bone structure than Africans? Are you now trying to separate Ethiopians, Somalis and black berbers from the rest of Africa? Listen up, there is no ONE phenotype of African. Different African ethnicities look different and even have different bone structure, but they are all BLACK!! BLACK Americans who are not fair skinned are often confused for Ethiopians, Somalis or even Black Berbers. All of these people commonly come in very dark colors with kinky hair.

[Quranite]

@18744cal As Dr. Wesley told you, the common reading of those hadeeth is erroneous. Look up Abyad in Lisanul-Arab and it will tell you exactly what Dr. Wesley said. I quoted it and sent it to you, so you don't even have to go look it up. I spoon fed you. Those hadeeth say that the prophet was Abyad AND Asmar (black) bihumrah. Abyad is explained as him being luminous. He was Asmar (black) where his sin was exposed to the sun and he was red (modern day white) on unexposed skin.

[18744cal]

@Quranite of course youve made a clear contradiction here aswell because how can someone be black and white at the same time? someone goes brown if their white from the sun but not black. And if you listened to the full lecture the Shaykh says his complexion changed saws, but no to black.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Those are the standard, classical scholarly interpretations. The only other way to intepret it is that he was a wheat colored brown that still classified as Asmar (black). And that he was fair skinned ONLY where his skin was NOT exposed to the sun.

[18744cal]

@Quranite to comparisons to the moon, its good we are having theis conversation though because it will encourage people to go and research hadith and when they do they will come to realise why neither the christians, modern democracies or little schisms like the one you are part of can change Islam, everything has been perfectly preserved by Allah, you have made so many blunders not just in the understanding in your own creed but in your understanding of hadeeth

[Quranite]

@18744cal This is you denying the truth of the very sources you claim to follow. You keep trying to knock me for being a Quranist as if this argument is dealt with in the Quran in any way. I do not believe this because I am a Quranist, I believe this because the Classical Arabic sources clearly state that the aboriginal Arabs were (and are) a black people. Black like Africans, with kinky hair! People like you actually HAVE changed Islam, and that is what a review of Classical sources shows!!

[Quranite]

@18744cal The blunders in reading your OWN hadeeth are solely yours. That is the shame of all this. You have so much invested in your mistake that you refuse to see the truth. I learned Arabic so that I could read and understand the Quran. I happened to stumble upon this truth and because I am an advocate for truth I will stand up for it no matter what it is, especially if it challenges some widely accepted lie, as the truth of the blackness of the true Arabs does.

[18744cal]

@Quranite There really is nothing more to say, why is it such a big deal what colour The prophet saws is anyway? Allah (who has no form or shape by the way, Islam rejects anthropomorphism which are other clear contradictions in certain other schisms creed, ones that the video poster might follow wallahu alim) is not concerned with the colour of your skin my friend rather He subhana is concerned with the colour of your heart, why does it matter to you if the Prophet was black or white???

[Quranite]

@18744cal Actually it is not a big deal. You make it a big deal by attacking truth and those who bring it instead of just accepting it, correcting your misconception and moving on. I disagree with anthromorphism when it comes to God, this is indeed an abberation according to my understanding of the Quran. Allah is not concerned with anyone's color. He judges actions and the heart. But what is in your heart that keeps you from accepting that the prophet and his people were black like Africans?

[abidemi21]

@18744cal if so, why are you people labeling Him as white? well, i guess we've all agreed that our prophet is Black.

[18744cal]

@Quranite to make you feel better though, i can confirm there are many many 'dark skin' ahle bayt, some who are even 'african black' but they are ahle bayt through the marrying into the Prophets blood line not through their african lineage, I have even personally met some, infact i have met ahle bayt who were dark skin, light skin brown skin afro hair, wavey hair and curly hair all through marriage not lienage

[Quranite]

@18744cal Again this is wrong and your misconception. Only the fair skinned of Ahl-bayt are a result of marriage into the prophet's blood line from Pesians, Turks, Aremians and Slavs. The dark Arabs of ahle bayt are the more pure Arabs. They are not that way though marriage, unless you actually met one of their wives who came from Africa. The pure unadulterated fact is that aboriginal Arabs can ONLY be African black!! Light skinned Arabs have never been and will never be pure Arabs!

[18744cal]

@Quranite I bet you could not even distinguish between 3 or 4 tribes in nigeria let alone all of africa without doing research on your teacher 'google' lol notice how my responses are rapid and yours are like one or two days later. Even after you go to hunt out more fallacies you do a terrible job. Your a complete clown. Your a fake a phonie and nobody believe you and your little groups misguidance. Your a part-time muslim brah so get it staright. im done with your ignoramus self.

[Quranite]

@18744cal You don't have to make me feel better. I know what i am talking about. I have read the fact with my own eyes and I have met black Arabs and seen them with my own eyes. These Arabs are the most aboriginal, i.e. pure Arabs. Aboriginal Arabs can ONLY be black! African Black!!

[18744cal]

@Quranite you keep saying look to the texts but what you call texts are of course not texts are they. Lisanul arab is not a book on history neither is it a reference for history. I will be honest the blunders you make in pretty much everything is what has made me realise your on somebodies pay role, because even dr wesley wouldnt deny many of the statements you have made. LOL @ black berbers one more time. Another 'black powerist' who has never been to africa, and knows nothing about africa.

[18744cal]

@Quranite however the ones who become ahle bayt through marriage into the prophets family have a weaker blood line and the people with the strongest lineage (meaning both sides of their family tree comes from the Prophet) generally tend to be fair skinned or brown skinned but i have not met any that were black, anyway enuff said

[18744cal]

@18744cal P.S from the time of the Prophet saws to modern times not one but 1000's have seen him saws in their dreams (you can even hear some revert stories on youtube where people have said they saw him in their dream) to this day nobody has reported they saw him and he was 'black' or even 'dark skinned' all have reported he was fair skinned saws

[Quranite]

@18744cal Don't talk to me about dreams. Paul saw Jesus (God bless him) in a vision/dream. And look at the garbage that he concocted! Do you or anyone with any sense really think that that was the real Jesus? Talk to me about facts, not dreams. Because that is what i did with you. I provided you with real, concrete sources. Will you continue to deny them?

[18744cal]

@Quranite fact number one, the word for black in arabic is not asmar is it my master in arabic friend, the word for black is what?? ASWAD! NOT ASMAR. Asmar can mean dark complexioned, but not in the way your making it out to be. A white person with a sun tan is described as how??? ASMAR. Anyway i have given you too much time, ive just realised you probably work for the CIA and are pretending to be black, of course most modernists like yourself have the religion as your front.

[18744cal]

@18744cal why are you living in the west with the kafir and mushriks? LOL your just a straight up clown that knows nothing but how to make false that which is fact, and full of contradiction after contradiction. Go read all the books on 'seerah' and show me where it says the Prophet was black? I dont need quotes from lisanul arab because the hadiths (which so many are mutawatir you absolute muppet, yet another blunder and contradiction) suffice us. Buy any major book in seerah and see yourself.

[Quranite]

@18744cal You are a bumbling fool. Tirmidhi actually says that the prophet is asmar is his shama'il. You have not been paying attention. I'm starting to think you may have some serious mental issues.

[Quranite]

@18744cal white people with a tan are NOT called Asmar. Never have and never will. The word black is literally aswad (actually as-ham) yes, but aswad is synonymous with all of the shades of Asmar. What is Africa called? Al-qaarratu-samraa' i.e. the asmar continent. What do these truths have to do with the CIA? So dumb!

[18744cal]

@Quranite tha fact you mentioned paul here perhaps hints to your true bkacround huh ;-) you have just made tafkir which the Qur'an does not allow read surah taubah in the same surah (since Quran is your only religious authority) read all the verses about jihad, why are you not fighting jihad than? since you have no hadiths to support your argument of not fighting you HAVE to go fight since its a command of Allah look at the 'amr' form its in.

[Quranite]

@18744cal You are so desperate to look for anything away from the actual subject to attack me on. I said you have a kaafir's heart. There is something in your heart which doesn't allow you to accept these truths and it makes me doubt your ability to accept and know any truth. Which Jihad must I fight? The greater or the lesser? I fight the greater every day. And as for the lesser, I will fight those who fight me, and attack me for my religion. I will not fight a jihad against innocents.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Another fact that just destroys your whole deen and arguments. Who compiled the Quran do you know??? well the same people who you and your deen do not take religious authority from. You cant have Qur'an without hadith which is why christians and orientalist have been trying to do what they can to sabotage the science of hadith for centuries, sounds a bit like the Quranists (wonder who guys really work for). If hadiths are no authority than neither is the Qur'an you moron.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Again this has nothing to do with you refusing to accept the fact that the aboriginal Arabs, including the prophet's family and tribe were black. That just burns you up doesn't it? Do you know why? Because you are a closet racist. As for being a Quranist, believe what you will. I told you about mutawaatir accounts. The strongest mutwaatir of them all is the Quran and it says that it is the best hadeeth and the only teaching needed for any Muslim's religious guidance.

[18744cal]

@Quranite You know nothing about this deen, and the only reason why im here is because im not a scholar and am bored and your fallacies were entertainig for a hot minute. Your little fake religion is not growing, and only those who want to submit to secularism and live a secular religious life which is what you Quranists live will even listen to you guys. Just look what happened to your founder, it says everything.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Lisanul arab is not a book of authority anyway and neither is any dictionary, thats the biggest laughing joke ever, find me a historian who ever wrote 'look its in the dictionary' LOL you should be on HBO not youtube, youll earn way more money than working for the american government too. Anyway it was fun but your full of soo many contraditcions and your fallacies are just ridiculous youve bored me to death.

[18744cal]

@Quranite black berbers???? LMAO have you ever been to the berber mountains??? this is my challenge to you and dr wesley. GO TO AFRICA and tell them you guys are arabs and lets see the response you get. You know nothing about physical anthropology and just make blunders in everything you say. Africans are not with you in your pathetic claims, because of course the slaves in arabia (pre-islam) were black.

[Quranite]

@18744cal And you have either been lied to or are lying to youself. Possibly both. The literatue is clear. The Aboriginal Arabs were black! African black! And the prophet's family was also black. African black!!! ANY Arab who is not black is NOT a pure Arab!!!

[18744cal]

@Quranite if there was no difference why is it in pictures, in historical books muslims AND non muslims there is a clear differenc between the african slaves and the tribesmen or arabia? and in the pictures the arabs are always drawn with fair skin? next your going to tell me jews are black aswell right??? LOL

[RBGTUBE4TheReal]

Can you post some clips or a clip of the debate with Prof. James Small? If not where can I get a copy? If all these others were recorded surely a brother should be able to get a copy of that one?

[ElijahShabazz]

@18744cal you have lackluster mockery skills and equally dull research skills. You discredit Rumi as a source because he was a poet? when has the Poets not been the most credible sources in Islamic historical research? The issue of the "Blackness" of Muhamad and his companions is a response to the "whitening" of them.

[ObjectiveApproach]

The only thing that stood out ( and I question) is his proposal of the possibility that Arabia could be the seat of ancient civilization. I know there were ancient pre islamic civilizations that may have rivaled ancient "Egypt" and "Mesopotamia" and the remnants of one thats mentioned in the Qur'an has been found and theres still much to be uncovered underneath the "tyranny of the desert"; but people are always claiming they found that 1st civilization. In this era I personally doubt we will.

[ObjectiveApproach]

Wesley Muhammads book "Black Arabia" is worth the read, despite the controversy surrounding the N.O.I it didn't appear to be a book of propaganda he goes from archeology to linguistics to historical records to ancient myths and symbolism. He even challenges some long held views in the "Afrocentric" community. He does cite his many sources. It's not bad it kept my interest I finished it in a few days and I do recommend it. I'm no expert on the subject but it did spark further study on my part.

[18744cal]

Ironically Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi (May Allah preserve him and his family and all members of ahle bayt) has an excellent lecture that has been posted on youtube titled 'the importance of isnad'. For anybody who wishes to educate themselves please listen.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Al-Yaqoubi proved himself a liar in this lecture. I have many Arabic quotes from Lisaanul-Arab that state that the Arabs were black and that Muhammad (God bless him) was also black (asmar). Al-Yaqoubi completely lies here, and lies about the definition of Adam and its ism fi'l, which is al-udmah. He said it means wheat color and not asmar, when lisaanul-Arab says it clearly means asumrah ash-shadeedah. Wheat color is light asmar, and wheat is called as-samraa'. Al-Yaqoubi is a liar.

[18744cal]

As for shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi's 'claims' as the person who posted the video states regarding him being ahl bayt. Unfortunately for you as i said before Allah subhanahu wata 'ala inspired muslims with the beautifull science of isnad. When you go study this science, than know Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi (May Allah preserve him) has a sahih chain of lineage that goes back to the Prophet saws. Of course nobody denies these facts i am but educating you and any other ignoramus on some simple FACTS.

[18744cal]

As for people who make 'claims'. Going our to all sects and political groups and general haters. Islam has been preserved by the beautifull science of 'isnad'. Study what 'isnad' is and you will come to understand how your deviant claims have no authenticity. Dr wesley is no professor in history i re-assure you and its clear he definetly needs some lessons. Theres something known as documented facts, perhaps he can provide us with some instead of using a poet who never even saw the Prophet saws.

[ShabazzAllah1]

@18744cal Dr. Wesley Muhammad is a graduate of the University Of Michigan Ann Arbor and he knows the ancient languages of the Bible and Holy Q'uran and his concentration is Islamic Studies so you don't know what the hell your talking about. Everybody knows that the University Of Michigan is an ivy league university and a prolific research institution. I think you should check yourself before you start slandering people and don't have your facts straight.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Al-Yaqoubi is a liar. Lisanul-Arab proves it. Open up the book and read the definitions of the words, especially Adam. Lisanul-Arab also provides the quotes from at-tirmidhi that say that the last prophet was asmar with some humrah. These two are reconciled with the explanation that he was asmar where his skin was exposed to the sun and ahmar where his skin was not exposed. The persians are described as ahmar and some of them are very light brown, like dark italians. Case closed.

[18744cal]

Is the nation of Islam still around though seriously? I never knew some black people were still so ignorant. As for this 'Political groups' (key word there polictical) doctrine, it is nothing but racist bigotry which is alien to islam. Can he even speak Arabic? didnt think so. I cant believe hes quoting ibn rumi aswell, it will only confuse hes confused followers even more when they read about who ibn rumi is. Im sure he has not even read the diwan.

[ausar07]

@18744cal how u gone say he's promoting racist bigotry, when ur lying sheik is promoting a false white prophet muhammad, get that false white bullshit outta here

[Quranite]

@18744cal I can speak Arabic, and everything Dr. Wesley says here is true. There is not ignorance here. Only truth. I have quotes from lisaanul-Arab, if you would like them. And from other sites. Read Tariq Berry's book. I'm sure he inspired Dr. Wesely. Tariq Berry is an Arab and he says the same thing. Again if you want quotes I can provide them for you. Don't diss the man for telling the truth. Or is it that you hate this truth?

[18744cal]

all i got was 'black black black' This dude is hillarious, i bet if you asked him what colour the moon was he would say 'black', what colour is the sun? 'black' what colours the grass 'black' lol

[ShabazzAllah1]

@18744cal All I got is white white white and white from that fake impostor Imam talking about white skin with a little pink is the most beautiful. The white man has made all of the prophets, angels, great men and woman of history in his likeness and image, hell you can go to any catholic church and even see god as a white man on the ceilings and stain glass windows so don't say nothing about Black people telling the truth.

[18744cal]

@ShabazzAllah1 Some statistisc for you, Members of the nation of Islam '20,000-50,000'. How many people follow true Islam? 1.5 billion. Guess what??? Nobody believes you!!! richard dawkins was also a professor at cambridge, what does that prove??? Ever heard of al-azhar, qarawiin? these are Islamic universities not michigan. Again documented facts, shamail tirmidhi is a documented book based on factual information, not some poem written by a person who DID NOT SHARE YOUR VIEWS!!! go research!

[Quranite]

@18744cal The shamail refutes Yaqoubi. Yaqoubi lies through his teeth about the definitions of the Arabic words. The things that Dr. Wesley says in this video are NOT from the Nation of Islam. They are FACTS from islamic scholars of old and their books. You are the one who fails to understand what a fact is and you fail to undersand that your precious scholars at Al-azhar and qarawin are keeping the truth from you. Go to any classical sudanese scholar and they will tell you these truths.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Listen you clearly have no understanding of isnad, you dont get it do you. If it were a fact there would be no refuting anybody. Theres not one narration there are hundreds with sahih isnads describing the Prophet as light skinned. Your so ignorant the poems your referring to are known as 'hilyas' and do you know where there taken from??? hadiths. No historian, theologian philosopher denies these facts.

[18744cal]

@18744cal you dont realise something do you, even christians jews anybody who comes along and tries to 'make claims' about Islam do you know what the greatest punch in the face for them is? the science of isnad. you can make false claims all you want. Nobody believes you, nobody follows you apart from some mad black people who hate white people but sleep with white women, look at all the rappers in the nation and people who think everything is black.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Those sahih isnaads are saying that he was a luminous man, not a light-skinned man. The problem is that folks like you and many others are woefully ignorant of Classical Arabic. Have you read what lisaanul-Arab has to say about 'white'? It says that when the Arabs say that a man is white, they mean that he is luminous and speak of his character, not his skin color. When they refer to white skin color they say red!!!! So you reading 'lightskinned' is a woefully ignorant misreading.

[18744cal]

@Quranite go to any sudanese scholar? your having a laugh aint you??? no scholar in the world denies these facts from africa to indonesia. Your friend here wesley is no authroity on Islam i can re-assure. Anyway im done with you pretenders, talking to you guys is like talking to a wall. The deen cant be changed wont be changed make your claims but guess what nobody believes you. was-salam

[Quranite]

@18744cal Why am I having a laugh? Unfortunately Sudanese Arabs are the only ones who don't have an invested interest in denying the truth of the blackness of the original Arabs and the last prophet. You obviously have not spoken to different scholars. I have. Yaqoubi says one thing and a Sudanese scholar I know says another. I'm not claiming Wesley as an authority. His SOURCES from scholars of old are the authority!! The truth hurts doesn't it. Don't deny the truth, accept it and move on.

[18744cal]

@Quranite yeah truth hurts dont it. Nobody cares about the nation of islam. I speak arabic, i bet you cant even tell me what the word for classical arabic is in arabic without looking it up in google and i know the many different ways of describing people. Youve bored me out now so believe in your fallacies, the stats are there for your ignoramus mind to wake up and realise, but your cult is dilluded by racist bigotry.

[Quranite]

@18744cal Actually I do read and speak Arabic quite fluently. So what are you talking about? If you really spoke Arabic you would have researched and confirmed what Dr. Weseley is talking about . Also look at the savethetruearabs webiste. What stats? Look it up in lisanul-arab. Or maybe you are just a ranting fool that can't deal with this truth. Do you want the quotes from lisanul-arab? I'll be glad to sent them to you.

[18744cal]

@Quranite One last point, orientalists too speak arabic and some of them at a very high standard so just because you took some arabic lessons does not mean anything. Go look at the historical FACTS (it means its the truth 100% cannot be denied) not THEORIES of what took place in arabia during the time of the Prophet saws and than study your creed and you will find blunder after blunder. And this will be my last comment to you and your ignoramus followers.

[18744cal]

@Quranite When you go and study arabic read the Quran than read your creed and wake up to the blaspemous contradictions in it. MaIik shabaaz rahimullah woke up perhaps you should learn a lesson from that. Anyway ive given you too much time. Nation stays a little group, will remain a little group and the the teachings of the majoirty of muslims remains growing and will remain growing. inna ilahi wa inni ilahi raa jiun. May Allah guide you upon the straight path. was-salam

[Quranite]

@18744cal I know Arabic, you fool. For the last time! What creed? I am a Quranist and not apart of the Nation of islam. I think I've already said that. It is true inna LILLAAHI was innAA ilayhi raaji3oona (note the corrections). It is also true that you are a blatant fool who cannot read Arabic, and for that reason you will not check the sources or be able to. If you could read Arabic you would check the sources instead of using slander and lies.

[18744cal]

@Quranite correcting transliterations, damn your such a master in the arabic language. ,Again as everybody who really speaks arabic knows, not only do you slacken in your ability to comprehend the language but your so ignorant you went from denying one sect to accepting another which rejects everything but the Qur'an, in other words, according to you and your ignoramus followers the prophet saws never spoke apart from when revelation came???

[18744cal]

@18744cal If you admit he did than you have just accepted what your doctrine rejects. For the last time since your such an expert in everything go study the science of isnad and understand why your sect is even smaller than the nation of Islam. Your a 'quranist' which basically sums up your whole argument, one just has to understand the fallacies in your creed to understand why 'you think' with your ten followers, the hadiths mean nothing yet you dont even understand isnad.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Go and study your creed than go and study some history and than when your 'mujtahid' self has the time study isnad and you will come to know why you and your little group are nobodies and nobody but people who do not understand Islam would be the only ones to follow you. This deen has been preserved will be preserved and regardless of the clear contradictions in the statements you have previously made and those which exsist in your creed as a 'quranist' will remain preserved.

[18744cal]

@Quranite Now do me a favour, If your so convinced by your truths than its a fact as far as your concerned right. Well im not interested in hearing no more of your herecies. So to you be your religion and me be mine. You follow 'quran only' right well find me the verse where it says debate with the sects, read verse 6:65 and continue on the path which you tread and i will on mine.

[18744cal]

@ShabazzAllah1 You do not seem to understand what a fact is so ill explain, it means something that is said to be true. Dr wesley is using a poem, which has no evidence of it being true. Shaykh Muhammad is using a book which is based on facts, as in everything in this book has been proved to be true. It means no historian denies this. Dr wesley is a nobody and so is the nation.

[Quranite]

@18744cal This is trash 18744cal. The poem shows the usage of the Arabic and is historical fact. if you read lisanul-Arab and ibn Hisham's sirah you will see that poems are always cited as proof of usage and to cite events as many were recorded through poems. Rumi's statement can be proven by many other sources. What's the fact? That pure Arabs are black and most Arabs mixed heavily with Greco-romans and byzantines in the Levant and Iraq and became much lighter because of it.

[Quranite]

@18744cal That's because you are an ignoramus, how can't stand the truth. If youw ant quotes in Arabic i can give them to you. Everything this man said in this lecture was pure, unadulterated truth.

[rich5248]

Not trying to be funny but I could understand a word this cracker Arab was saying.

[Quranite]

@rich5248 That's a bit disrespectful. You should not dislike him because he is white. You should dislike him because he is a liar.

[soulangel835a]

check out the name Yaqoubi hmmm thinking Yaqub (yacob/jacob) we all know who Yacob was

[Quranite]

I must correct myself. The direct quote from Lisanul-Arab is 'Al-udmat (Adam) as it concerns people is assumrah ash-shadeedah, i.e. very deep asmar or very deep brown. If anyone wants these quotes from Lisanul-Arab I can send them to your personally so you can get someone who reads Arabic to confirm them. I will also post the online source.

[Quranite]

I also looked up blueness in lisaanul-arab and it says: "when whiteness overwhelms its blackness.' in the Arabic it is 'an yataghash-shaaa sawaadahaa bayaadun' So Dr. Wesley Muhammd is 100% correct about blue meaning 'white.'

[Quranite]

Selfjust where did you get this video? Because this sheikh is lying through is teeth!!! I have read in Arabic the definition of Adam. It is NOT wheat color. It is and I quote: "Shadeed assumrah." Which means deeply asmar, or very deep brown. And here he is claiming that Adam (or al-udmah) is lighter than Asmar (or assumrah). He is a filthy and disgusting liar. This outraged me when i heard him lie like this.

[jerronallah]

As a matter of decency of among us whom prescribe to the adherence of actual facts; Striving for perfection is how we shall resurrect and born ATOM. The pursuit of the truth relating to ALLAH (Gomar Oz Dubar) and the Master of Allah's Nation, is OUR DUTY. So please, before we embark on the typical "youtuber critique", lets remain intelligently respectful. If anything stated by our dear Doctor is not right and exact, please cite it with documentation. PEACE...

[muptahu24]

wesley muhammad dug deep? dug dep in a imaam issa book, he hasnt brought forth any different info than that in an ansaar allah book

[TheSanityInspector]

Did the pre-Islamic Arabs intermarry with sub-Saharan Africans? (P. S. equalize the sound levels next time, friend.)

[ElijahShabazz]

and The Dialouge with the Muslim world begins.. Thank you Bro. Self Just..