Occupy Wall Street vs. Center for Industrial Progress: Energy

[TenaciouslyWinning]

This is amazing.

[GTfour01]

The downright naïevity and lack of knowledge about the subjects they're 'standing' for, amazes me every time with these ignorent occupiers.

They are as scary as any fanatic religious body, willing to destroy our freedom in favour of their twisted and holy green planet Walhalla. I hope these folks NEVER get their ways for it'll be the end of prosporous humanity as we know it.

[rambo26]

Superb job!

[bantyhenrants]

When you tried to present facts she just kept saying, "That's not my concern". What a moron! How can she support a cause...any cause, when she doesn't even know the facts? Its a sad commentary on just who these OWS people are.

[wda90]

Simply amazing. Greetings from Poland.

[plaiche]

Epstein you are a complete hack. Pick on somebody your own size next time. Your Fukashima argument is was beyond moronic. You never address the finitude behind all of the energy sources you appear to be championing. Rearrange them? You are a simplistic fucking idiot.

[tdub1941]

If any of the Occupy Wall Street crowd were capable of organized thinking, along with an epistemology consistent with reality, they would not be participants.

The fact that they are there is adequate evidence that they do not possess these qualities, and when they open their mouths to speak the proof is irrefutable.

RagJazzMonkey Tom

[Hfadel11]

This was fantastic. Please keep up the good work.

[dijhili]

Good job!

[BaylorSports]

Great video! These stupid chicks need to read "The Ultimate Resource" by Julian L. Simon. Wow, some "educated" people are so stupid it is stunning.

[Real333]

this guy sucks, fuck off

[6guys2muchtime]

Scientists and Engineers FTW!

[TheRealFallenDemon]

Perpetual battery? And then she goes on to ask where YOU graduated? What a silly noodle

[TRexMundi]

The ultimate hypocrite: she looks like she's had botox and some other work. Thick bint.

[LadyLiberty1885]

Greed. That is what all of these idiots seem to hate, yet their desire to scream and rant about their cause du jour is the ultimate form of greed. They want what they want, to hell with facts.

[TheInverseAgonist]

Eric Dennis actually erred, not only can "current" technology not approximate a perpetual battery, nor can any imaginable technology. That whole perpetual motion of the 1st kind problem. Thermodynamics is a real bummer sometimes, as Duracell can attest too.

Otherwise, fantastic video guys. Alex's comments on efficient transformations of matter were heartening; although it seems like advances in molecular nanotechnology are lost on them. I look forward to seeing more of you and your policy work!

[Yehudittx]

So he talks about turning raw materials into goods - like, you know, food, iPads, fleece sweaters - and she says "You're trying to play God."

So we are supposed to live in caves eating raw food so we don't play God? These women are so abysmally stupid.

[Yehudittx]

"What rank did you graduate in your class?" Boy, she's desperate isn't she?

Her economic ignorance is really revealing:

"When something's cheap, it undermines a working society to financially benefit..."

Whaaaaa? Cheap goods are bad? Society financially benefits from goods being expensive?

[lewko1]

They nicely demonstrated the meaning of the idiom "An empty vessel makes the most noise".

[fiva58]

Oh fucking hell!! These banner waving morons are going to try drag us back into the dark ages.

[easein]

We're doomed. These idiots will be the death of us.

[okaytom]

I can't believe how dumb these occupy people are.

[Diemos242]

Jesus, this makes me weep for our future. Simple logic vs. paranoia, fear, and blind loyalism.

[TheMarksmenCat]

how come these people are having a sensible conversation at OWS? I thought they were all busy drinking piss and eating shit?

[CRAZYASFUK1]

Liberals love sharing ideas as long as there the same as each others.

[mikebutler222]

Classic, the clueless left and its anti-science bias.

[sincerelyyours2000]

He certainly did give good evidence against the too easy solution of wanting to strip the wealthy of their legally acquired assets.

I think there is a committee which writes the signs and OWSers can pick the one of their choice and hold it.

I hope this woman graduated at the top of her class because this method of interrogating someone who wants to discuss the issues can certainly backfire.

These occupiers don't represent 99% of the public.

[MrAdvancedAtheist]

I'd like to a movement to promote industrial progress without dragging in the Ayn Rand cultism.

[Anon371]

Always remember: The bigger the hoops, the bigger the bitch

[IndustrialProgress]

For more good material on the nature of resources Google Alex Epstein Onkar Ghate Power Hour.

[IndustrialProgress]

@scepticsteve @chopsky The "refutation" video guy has so far refused to allow my comment: "This video makes mostly-valid factual claims about past and present of world oil discoveries/production. Unfortunately, its author lets his hostility get the best of him in mangling virtually every one of Epstein's (my) points. Michael Lynch and I have already publicly addressed the vast majority of the issues raised here. To listen to our hour-long discussion, just Google Alex Epstein Michael Lynch."

[BlackWolf4830]

@IndustrialProgress I love how the guy has comments pending approval, and he only accepts the ones where he gives the appearance that he decimates you and his contentions.

[fuckedspecies]

@scepticsteve @chopsky: Watch me PWN Alex Epstein: v=b6zYN6RcaVA

[mikebutler222]

@fuckedspecies You "PWN" no one. You didn't face the man and you limit comments on the page. Weak stuff, lamer.

[fuckedspecies]

@mikebutler222 I would be happy to face Epstein. I challenged Epstein to a debate and *he* didn't accept. Until he does accept, me PWNing his written arguments is the best you'll get.

[IchorFigure]

Just... embarrassing... on her part. Thanks for worsening my life, my freedom, and making my energy hella expensive viro tools.

[AmadeusPower]

No to know what "half-time" means, pretending that nuclear waste would be "impossible to store" etc. show that they are only about propaganda sound bites with ZERO knowledge. There are rock formations that are very deep, 100% impermeable to water and that haven't moved for hundreds of millions of years. If one puts nuclear waste into holes drilled into such rocks, spread out thinly, they will never expose anyone to the slightest risk.

[AmadeusPower]

Ignorant, stupid people like these "environmentalists" should not ever be allowed to promote any kind of BS that they are not even able to back up.

If someone says "I'm against nuclear power", the LEAST they should know is how many people died from nuclear energy as compared to any other source of energy. Coal costs tens of thousands of lives EVERY YEAR, civilian nuclear power has so far been related to only 50 - 100 provable deaths.

[vnbq]

I really enjoy watching these. Alex Epstein is a great debater.

[rosabrand]

I'm curious why these women aren't talking about the toxic WASTE that comes from solar panels and the wind turbines and the needed maintenance. Those of us who do work in those industries know that the "carbon footprint" is actually worse with these technologies than coal and oil.

Seriously, PEOPLE, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

[Richy15251]

apparently you need a PhD to know that perpetual motion machines aren't possible...

[grantsinmypants2]

Man, she burned him. He may have a degree from Cal Tech, but so what? He clearly was part of that percentage of the graduating class which gets degrees even if they haven't passed the classes the degree requires. He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Only a green mentality could come up with on-the-spot obfuscation like that.

[vNorilor]

First woman clearly doesn't know what Caltech is. This is what politics does to people - these two women are illiterate in precisely the subject their activism is directed toward. You see this all the time - google "Are you smarter than an OWS protester?" for other examples. These people don't know anything about banking or banking regulation - but there they are on the streets, loud as can be. loling now at them completely missing the "resources are created, not found" argument. Amazing.

[BlackWolf4830]

@Earthfart I know, right? She just had to keep raising the bar to desperately try and ruin his image

[vanflymen]

I'm not sure who Alex Epstein is... but I like him.

I'm not an American either but I feel strongly about the dying values which once made America great. These values shouldn't be allowed to be stifled by neoliberal, hippy twats who secretly hate the productive.

[g0ssage]

Funny that she never gave her qualifications. Typical college students just parroting instead of learning and thinking. Too bad, they're cute.

[renaissanceman21c]

This guy really seems to know how to use his thinking cap. I can honestly say that I would much rather live in a world of Alex Epsteins than the type of people with whom he is conversing. I was never really taken in by the environmentalists to begin with; however, it is interesting to see that when scrutinized, their position really doesn'r rest on scientific fact or on regard for human life, progress, and well being.

[jpb7484]

This was like watching zombies getting cut up with chainsaws.

[HouseofSunny]

Great job Alex!

[dannidandannikins]

@Earthfart Yeah, that look is epic, I'd love to know what her credentials are!

As though she, arbitrarily asserting that perpetual batteries have been possible for 40+ years (but no-one decided to make these batteries that would obviously sell like hot cakes because they are fixated on greed), a claim that plainly contradicts the most fundamental laws of thermodynamics, need provide no proof, but a physics PhD who calls her on it can be disregarded b/c he didn't graduate #1 in his class!

[fuckedspecies]

I'd love to debate Alex Epstein on these issues. If he were confident, he'd pick on someone his own size. Alex: how about it?

[chopsky]

@fuckedspecies Size has nothing to do with it. He's 'picking' on people who are arguing a certain perspective in the public arena. If you're going to stand up and make a certain claim, then make damn sure you can back it up, whoever you may be.

[fuckedspecies]

@chopsky Fine, let's pick on Epstein then:

To Epstein's question 3:04 "The question is not can we gain energy from solar or wind... the issue is can it provide the scale?" I'd love to know the answer to three questions: (1) Is the discovery rate of U-235 increasing or decreasing? (2) Given current trends, when is the consensus for the time when we expect the extraction of U-235 to decrease? (3) Might I see some evidence that nuclear energy will be available for "thousands of years" 4:26?

[fuckedspecies]

And two more questions on the issue of scale, because I do agree that something is only a practical solution to our energy problem if it scales in time: How many nuclear power plants have been approved in the United States in the past decade? How many would it take to replace all of our non-transportation energy consumption?

I could go on: Epstein's problems are not limited to the issue of scale.

[LetsThinkClearly]

@fuckedspecies Alex has recently debated a representative of Greenpeace and posted it publicly on the master resource blog (very easy to find if you search).

I'm sure if you're even more qualified he'd be happy to debate you.

[renaissanceman21c]

@fuckedspecies I'd like to see that!

[krinkodot22]

You can tell that NOTHING Alex said got through to them. According to these protesters, having your own company/position in the professional world automatically makes you a greedy capitalist who supports only things that give them financial gain.

[shekfu]

"Yes, I am not publicly condemning myself..." LOL!

[NickRamage]

I couldn't stop watching. I hope you do more hands-on stuff.

[RnBramwell]

omg,  sound engineering desperately needed!

[wisted]

Please continue to make more videos like this. This was electrifying to watch. I gotta commend you on your patience and ability to maintain composure with these poor propagandists.

[jimipatterson]

excellent job.

[ShrugMeSilly245]

Goddamn, what a bunch of brain dead primitivists. If they had their way we'd still be living in caves.

[IMfrederick]

You handled the situation so professionally, Alex. I loved your patience and your ability to speak to them in a manner that they could understand. If they rethought what you told them, some of them might have had some doubts about their position. Bravo!

[hoskinson2003]

I love how Lefty tries to discredit him with "what place did you graduate in your class"?? HE GRADUATED FROM CALTECH YOU CLUELESS STREET-DWELLING MORON.....then she tries to link him to some kind of "interest" when he schools her on nuclear. It's hard to comprehend but these type of people are the greatest existential threat to America by far, what can we do about them ??

[hoskinson2003]

I love how Lefty tries to discredit him with "what place did you graduate in your class"?? HE GRADUATED FROM CALTECH YOU CLUELESS STREET-DWELLING MORON

[ydkydg2k]

"Yeah, I can watch one propaganda film and still not be convinced by it" Brilliant!!

[GooeytheBlueBlob]

As a nuclear engineering student, I have the utmost respect for you Alex. Thank you for bringing the argument up a notch to the moral level and with facts and not fears.

[7NTM61Ic]

Alex should do this again and often. Good job!

[ChristopherWEarl]

Good job of answering the "gotcha" questions. She seemed the most upset when she found out you didn't have a problem with endorsing yourself. I guess you're supposed to be as selfless as the protesters who sacrifice to save us all from ourselves.

[mkloppel]

Oh my god. This is seriously painful to watch. Those OWS thugs are such brainwashed flunkies its crazy.

Why does it matter at what "rank" a PhD in physics graduated at? Seriously.

[EyeQue782]

The people in Fukushima are fine... I live in Japan and there are no people dying from Nuclear power

[qtutoringhelps]

Heh, are you trying to convince these people to change their mind and get a job or just to expose their ignorance?

[Philorrior]

lol "are you ready to publicly condemn your own position?"

[jessehackey]

Just look at their smug responses when Alex has the "audacity" to say that he endorses himself, haha.

[scepticsteve]

Just one thing to add. It is likely from what we know about physics that EVERYTHING in the know universe has a half-life. What we call stable matter just has a very long one (it will be around for BILLIONS of years!!! OMG!!!). So by definition everything is radioaczive and will be around forever. Yet, we don't try to burry the earth's crust or Jupiter.

[scepticsteve]

It's fascinating how people with zero clue just keep repeating nonsensical propaganda they heard but challenge everyone who has a differing view based on their formal education. Just make an actual argument! We are willing to learn and hear new arguments! But you cannot just lie and make science and engineering a religious dogma.

Pro excessive wealth!

[FilipinoObjectivist]

I salute you Alex.

[mattbell555]

so you know everyhting about quantum physics and ether theory.You have been paid by the industry.BTW nuclear waiste is a big problem in the Europre.You should learn about Tesla patents. You think you are smart by speaking with somebody who doesnt know anything about nuclear.Pure propaganda !pawn of the NWO.Peace

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 Nuclear waste is not a big problem. It's a political problem. It can and has been safely stored until the next generation of nuclear reactors (for example thorium based ractors like LFTRs) will be able to burn it. Burrying it is a moronic idea by politicians.

Btw, nuclear "waste" will continue to be produced, no matter what, we need many of the products of nuclear fission for various applications from space exploration to medicine. And nothing is as safe as nuclear technology.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve safe,u235,u238,yess its so safe.Yes it is a big problem the waiste ,we got different source on that point.nuclear is too hazardoos.You forgot about three miles island,tchernobyl,fukhoshima.I­f it was free market like you wish your world could be,there will be no nuclear plant because it cost too much and it has too much impact.BTW absolutely free markets mean the rich can play the big game !

[cooljool1]

@mattbell555 this is pure nonsense. free markets means everybody benefits and trades, from the richest to the poorest

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 You are wrong on every account. U238 is not even fissible. The nuclear industry is one of the most highly regulated and politicized of all, so it's not a free market. How hazardous is it? How many people die from nuclear energy ever yyear in comparison to solar or wind for example? How many people died at the nuclear incidents you said?

You don't know. In fact, you know nothing. That's why you are able to talk this BS. Absolutely free markets mean nobody can use politics to screw u!

[mattbell555]

Yeah Thorium is better,so tell me how many thorium reactor you have in the whole world ?!?

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 We had some in earlier decades, the technology is proven. But since the green scams block every nuclear project it is hard to build new nuclear plants.

Using that fallacious logic, how many solar- or windfarms would we have without massive subsidies per produced unit? None.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve I read a lot about thorium,and its way better.I think before creating something hazradous we must find a way to annhilate the problem,the impact.I am not against nuclear power,I am for a world without hazardous system.The problem with capitalism(not a moral capitalism) is that you create something only to get money out of it,like in food,msg ,additiive,artificial flavour without really testing it.I believe in a moral capitalism like moral socialism.I think we must redefine the ..

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 That's impossible utopia. Every human endeavour has an impact. You must weight the benefits against the cost. Light water reactors are already very good compared with all known alternatives, LFTRs are even better. And capitalism -properly defined- makes the most of everything. Under free market capitalism you can only make great profits if you benefit other humans greatly. And that's the reason why you will likely live much longer than humans generatiosn before us. Have fun.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve we must redefine the old paradigm,on moral and ethical issue.The problem with socialism and capitalism ,both entity impse their will on the people,the market vs human and the big state on human.One will believe that we will self regulate and the other that the state must regulate.There is no "a better system"there is only bad people who neglects the people.Peace

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 I don't see that. Maybe instead of redefining things we should first properly define what we mean by capitalism and free markets. Under free markets and capitalism you can only interact peacefully and without extortion of others. You must respect my rights and I have to respect yours. Right now we have too much political micromanagement.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve "Under free markets and capitalism you can only interact peacefully and without extortion of others" wow you really think that,it never happened in the history known to mankind.Its not the system that must change its us.

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 "it never happened in the history known to mankind" That's correct.

"Its not the system that must change its us" That's incorrect. Human nature must be acknowledged. The state must be restricted to very specific, clearly defined responsibilities. Individuals should only be able to interact voluntarily. An unrestricted government will be abused to take advantage of other people in the society (wall street bailout, redistribution of wealth, etc.). That's obnoxious.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve so you dont believe that human can change.BTW our dna has changed 7% since 35 000 years.We changed all the time,its called evolution.Right now if you let the free market with no law whatsoever,there will be three steps,anarchy,purification and balance.I agree with you that in a perfect world ,we are less people on that plante,we live in small community,we do "troc"trade (no need of money and gov).We learn the value of the community by our parents.Like the tribal and native ways.

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 That's not what I said and your argument about DNA is irrelevant. You cannot change human DNA by argument or ideology. Certainly not by "redefining" words. Free markets is not a situation without law. And your argument about "right now" is bogus, since there are a lot of -bad- laws on the books. Free markets means I cannot force you to do business with me (like giving me a phony loan via the Community Reinvestment Act). I never talked about population?! Native ways are crap.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve native ways are crap,that's pretentious.SO the white people had the better system.Right now is not bogus,it is related to realities nor fictions.Free market means no regulation read neo classism idea,or the ideological capitalism with no law only the rules of the market.Believing that is also "bogus".BTW there was people living before free market ,we can also live without.sad but true.PEace

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 No, that's fact. Look at life expectancy, social structure (way of life, slavery, deaths from war per 100k people,...) and what native people did to the environment even in small numbers. Native ways are horrific in all aspects compared to modern civilization.

Free markets doesn't mean no regulation. If I can use a gun to make you trade with me, you're not free. Don't just redefine what you don't understand. Market "rules" are scientific laws, you cannot change them.

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 People lived before "free" markets? There are no free markets now. Markets are abstract environments. They have always been there since humans interacted with each other. But I suggest you don't wish to get back to the "native" ways of tribal times. Because there was no equality and the strongest and most brutal individuals ruled a class of slaves. You might think you can reach utopia by brutal force, but that has been tried before. Freedom means no one can use force to project will

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve you subjuguate all natives with one assumption,wrong.You must be US citizen to believe that,you totally agree with the history class books.I see why you are caught into the old paradigm.Im sure you are the type of persone who still believes that 9/11 was a terrorist attack and JFK was killed by that magic bullet.sorry to say,I'm sad for you.You live in tunnel vision.Peace

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 I don't judge "natives" as a people, but the archaic lifestyle of native cultures (that American natives don't live anymore, for good reason). I'm not an American and the American textbooks for the most part romantisize crap cultures because they are written by lefty creeps like Zinn.

Just because you have no clue doesn't mean you can imagine reality the way you like. You're right, I know that 9/11 was a terror attack and JFK was killed by a commie and Santa Claus doesn't exist.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve me I dont live by a book or ideology ,left or right,male vs female,capitalism vs socialism etc Im not in that duality.I dont preach anything instead of this guys (video).My third eye is open that's all,I see all the spectrum in colour.We will debate for eternity about those paradigms,its endless and useless.We are humans ! that's all.If we live byt love ,peace and light we wont need more.Peace

[scepticsteve]

@mattbell555 Yeah, you are totally open minded and neutral...

"we must redefine the old paradigm"

"Its not the system that must change its us"

"You must be US citizen to believe that"

"no need of money and gov"

"you are the type of persone who still believes that 9/11 was a terrorist attack"

Who are you trying to fool? Your problem is that you make up stuff that you don't know the facts about. Then you declare your imagination as fact and logic. I seriously cannot help you. Dream on, have fun.

[mattbell555]

@scepticsteve peace and love my friend.The change is you !

[mattbell555]

f nuclear ,quantum flux !

[kkanya]

Excellent, Alex!

[normativeRandroid]

the finite resources argument, really? it's really hard to get a dialogue going when you have to teach your opposition basic economics

[BosmaSpencer]

I applaud how you remained so calm. Thank you Alex Epstein! I am eager for future videos and productions. Congratulations on the domain, too.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

'I can watch one propaganda film and still not be convinced by it.'

LOL, in a coffee shop.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

I know this is an incredibly superficial observation, but the glasses that woman is wearing are straight out a Gary Larson cartoon.

[Augustinephillips]

@StudentOfObjectivism  LOL, THAT, Sir is an incredibly profound observation.