Bullshit, this was actually predicted in 1870,s with the birth of socialism where according to their "studies" we would have ran out of ressources already in the 1950's
The reason for the job loss is statism interfearing on business and the advancement of technologies, NOT the lack of ressources.
Gosh those politically oriented people are so retarded.
This is feasible in an intentional community populated by largely like-minded people. You can't force this mode of living on everyone. What we need now is the machinery to plant real-world settlements like this in the United States on a national scale. We need a lobby to change zoning laws, and a development company that buys land, subdivides it, assumes risk, and uses volume discount and contract services people need to build their own homesteads.
The central problem with this is that some people think they are too good to live this way. They believe that anyone who tills the soil, or works with an animal, or does manual labor of any kind is a slave. Men and women who fancy themselves masters of others have been the problem with civilization all along, but we wait to root out the evil among us until it's too late.
What's more likely is a huge man-made disaster that kills the surplus population. The destructive growth models return in force, and the robber-barons that are left battle each other again for supremacy. Why the recurring theme in human history of people entering an unpopulated land? The land was never virgin, not since out of Africa or Adam and Eve, whichever you believe. The people simply died or left it, whether from calamity, or from cupidity, or from an ill marriage of both.
People should view economy and politics as any other aspect of life. Try finding a practical sollution to the problems, instead of constantly seeking an ideology and only picking options that cope with that ideology.
This explains why many more people are now preserving their old windows instead of buying plastic disposable windows, and confirmation for something I've been telling preservation tradespeople for the past five years: market your services by making new friends at your local farmer's market.
Missing from this article is a means of achieving it. It would be great to live in a perfect world, but we don't. Do you regulate businesses to force them into environmentally friendly practice? History shows that over-regulation burdens small businesses and the consumer. It pushes jobs overseas, where small businesses cannot compete.
So, with no real growth, what does this mean for the worldwide population growth? I would think as long as we have that, we must increase productivity.
Even a hundred years ago there were alternatives to an oil driven society. But oil is dollar driven, so what can idealists do against it ? Like Juliet Schor suggests: less more or more less gives us back the human touch we miss right now in the "Holy Neoliberal Economy"
This is an awesome video! I am an American and while living in The Netherlands, it was clear to see that their quality of life is far greater than ours in America yet we keep claiming to be "the best". It's time for the American government to drop the ego and start looking at other countries that clearly do things better than us.
While this would be a beautiful thing to see implemented, I think the American culture is too stubborn to sway from the failed "American Dream" to something that is actually possible and great. This would take a somewhat unselfish/self-centered, environmentally responsible country to implement and that is far from what America has projected as it's image in the past.
Please ensure that the machine-generated captions are corrected so that the many people with hearing loss who need captions can fully understand what's being said. Though these captions have a high degree of accuracy, there are still a lot of errors in them.
@PDValentine Problem, bro? Seriously, what makes this bullshit? Great job on convincing me that this was bullshit but in the interest of keeping other people in the loop perhaps you should explain the reasoning behind your sentiment, bro.
The kind of lazy, underachieving people this cartoon appeals to dearly want to believe this childlike nonsense, and enjoy getting their heads stuffed with delusional cotton candy. Fortunately, back here on Planet Earth, most people have more ambition, and aspire to something better than the sad, subsistence lifestyle depicted in the cartoon. Some of us aren't even afraid of work. Therefore, we will always win, and you will always lose. Always.
@bladder1010 I wonder if your grandfather or great-grandfather thought working his own farm or his own business was easy? The monopolistic and oligarchic state of modern economies is unnatural and it is doomed to fail. A mode of economic production which is linear rather than circular is doomed to fail. Central economies will fail, whether they are corporatist or state-planned. Attempts to introduce perpetual slavery and servitude will fail over time, because they are inimical to God's will.
All people who like the idea of this type of society should check out the venus project! Just google: "the venus project" and you will find the perfect blue print for societal change!
The problem is, the American working class is solidly conservative and masochistically committed to working themselves to death on behalf of the Owning Class. Any suggestion that we should work fewer hours and get paid more money fills them with a pious outrage and the inevitable screams of "SO-SHUH-LISM!"
This video completely ignores technological unemployment. We are being consistently replaced with automation & robotics. The jobs are NEVER coming back people! Let's automate everything, and get rid of money for good! MONEY = DEBT = SLAVERY
Be wary of the easy solution to a complex real-world problem. This is not a math puzzle, there is no elegant solution.
Totally unjustified claims abound to justify simplifying a very hotly contended and confusing issue. For example, "when people work less, they tend to consume fewer resources", or "long hours boost carbon emissions." Sounds like a load of crap to me, this video makes the whole economic predicament seem much simpler than it actually is.
Economic change only occurs if it incurs profit. There may be some exceptions, but the truth is, if it creates profit, whether it be ridiculous use of sex appeal to advertise, or automation in fields where we could have human workers, it will be made eventually. Please think extremely carefully on what that means, and try to fit this model to it.
I'm sorry but no matter how I look at it, this doesn't create profit. It improves the standard of living without a doubt but it doesn't create profit.
@easonmatthew I've been doing this for years and am no less discontented. What's more I can't visit a doctor, own a home or ever hope to support someone other than myself. But, hey, I do meaningful(?) work in that my skills make me feel useful and content and I have plenty of free time to do meaningful things such post on youtube, apparently... The crucial fact remains that I still work for someone else and always find myself thinking in the mode of "if I ran the zoo."
Great idea to shift to 4 days/week, and greater job sharing to spread they pay around to more workers!
It would also allow people to work 4 days, then take college courses on Fridays, to work & pay for school, & not need to take night classes (be home for dinner/family). Most community college students are older now (avg. age ~40!) And there is a lifelong student requirement to keep up. Could fit in a 3-4 hour class in Fri. morning, a 3-4 class Fri. afternoon, and even 2 Sat. classes if needed
Forget Jobs, get rid of MONEY, let machines do the crappy work & let Humans become free to produce more valuable things....like new technologically that will help everybody.
It's hard t o imagine an economic system that is not based on growth/ inflation. But I am old enough to remember a time when this inflation spiral system was much less powerful. Life was slower, and people did things together, and your could save for big things over the course of years, without your money loosing its value. The nice thing is that it starts with a packet of seeds and an bucket of soil, and a visit to your neighbour with a handful of beans that were surplus.
hmm.. this doesnt address the issue of inflation caused by the lowering of unemployment.. (phillips curve) you would still need to try and stabilize prices as people will be earning less from fewer hours worked, reducing their income and purchasing power.
Right now we have a lopsided distribution of income.. so, how about tax the rich, invest in education so that the people who are looking for jobs can actually qualify for those that are available, and limit the loopholes gained by the wealthy
This is the band-aid approach to our essential economy of capitalism, which is based on an INFINITE GROWTH model. Nothing short of changing our entire economic system will bring significant change to people's lives.
@boleroinferno Why not BE the change you want to see? Why not start your own company? Create your own job? Invest in your own family and life?? You're right nothing short of changing the whole thing will significantly change people's lives - but who's going to do that? Washington? They can't find the bathroom by themselves.
YOU can do it. YOU can create your own change. Who else would?
People this is not utopian, its already happening and will continue to grow. This is a depiction of what IS happening, not a plan for what should happen.
This is an overview of green cottage industries and voluntary simplicity combined.
It is also part of the bigger solution, the GAASP sustainable community plan which you can read about on facebook. Combine this with locally produced clean organic energy, low energy house and organic farming and you have self reliant sustainable living.
This completely fits with my husband's new bikesharing project, Secondwheel (blog -dot- secondwheel -dot- org for info ;) Bikesharing in the model of Couchsurfing!
Those running this country have a different idea. Once you starve out all of the middle class who will then have plenty of rest because they will be dead, they won't be concerned with having to rebuild the infrastructure because they will bulldoze all of the empty houses, torn up streets and bridges so they can build a mega golf course. I wish I could be around when they realize they have no one to caddy for them. Boehner might cry, but it would be a good job for him.
There must be a change in the way humanity interacts with economy and society will only be changed as we each make small changes that add up to a significant shift
This is essentially a version of the plans behind the 'Dutch economic miracle'. It did work then, and it will work now. It should be implemented. Nothing utopian about it.
But, to mention a detail, home prices will drop even further while interest rates will probably rise. What this means? Those who have bought their first home (in the 2004-2008 period, especially in 2007 and 2008), who are also the ones working hard right now, will probably be brought into debt.
...as if debt is something that someone is "brought into" without their awareness. Debt is the result of outgoing funds exceeding incoming funds. People are not "brought into" debt but put themselves there by spending more than they earn. Unless you have the money in-hand, buying a house is, by default, putting yourself into debt. Why has the term "common sense" become such an oxymoron?
@anonamemess I think you misunderstood his original post - I think this is a "lost in translation" problem. I presume he mean that people will be paying back more than their home is worth (what's the term for that - negative equity?)
Interesting revisionist history there, claiming the Erlich and the Club of Rome predicted problems at the beginning of the 21st century. IIRC, they were screaming that things were going to go south in the 80s.
a better solution to the +economic and +environmental problems than growth. Happiness and +humandevelopment is possible without polluting our environment
Employers hiring fewer and fewer employees is the result, not the cause. You can't just tell your boss to hire more people to share your work while his company is not making enough money. This video talks nothing about any solution to today's situation, it is just pure imagination.
@hotingfai i think what he is saying is that people have over time been working longer hours. So employ more people and give those people working large working days less working hours and give that to some one else. the thing with this model is that people are greedy and want lots of hours.
@Kokoda144 I agree that people are greedy but maybe they are greedy to more enjoy their down time? usually money does this but what if just more down time made it better?
Bullshit, this was actually predicted in 1870,s with the birth of socialism where according to their "studies" we would have ran out of ressources already in the 1950's
The reason for the job loss is statism interfearing on business and the advancement of technologies, NOT the lack of ressources.
Gosh those politically oriented people are so retarded.
theawesomebeliever 2 weeks ago
If you are interested in this, look into a Resource Based Economy and/or watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward.
IHighLikePlane 3 weeks ago
This is feasible in an intentional community populated by largely like-minded people. You can't force this mode of living on everyone. What we need now is the machinery to plant real-world settlements like this in the United States on a national scale. We need a lobby to change zoning laws, and a development company that buys land, subdivides it, assumes risk, and uses volume discount and contract services people need to build their own homesteads.
BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 4 weeks ago
The central problem with this is that some people think they are too good to live this way. They believe that anyone who tills the soil, or works with an animal, or does manual labor of any kind is a slave. Men and women who fancy themselves masters of others have been the problem with civilization all along, but we wait to root out the evil among us until it's too late.
BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 4 weeks ago
What's more likely is a huge man-made disaster that kills the surplus population. The destructive growth models return in force, and the robber-barons that are left battle each other again for supremacy. Why the recurring theme in human history of people entering an unpopulated land? The land was never virgin, not since out of Africa or Adam and Eve, whichever you believe. The people simply died or left it, whether from calamity, or from cupidity, or from an ill marriage of both.
BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 4 weeks ago
People should view economy and politics as any other aspect of life. Try finding a practical sollution to the problems, instead of constantly seeking an ideology and only picking options that cope with that ideology.
gulbirk 4 weeks ago
This is spectacular, thank you.
nschnell23 1 month ago
Sweet.. i missed the smurfs though
TheJohnsblog 1 month ago
i liked this video a lot. it makes sense and offers a serious solution. thank you. megank
kaibastos 1 month ago
This explains why many more people are now preserving their old windows instead of buying plastic disposable windows, and confirmation for something I've been telling preservation tradespeople for the past five years: market your services by making new friends at your local farmer's market.
John
HistoricHomeWorks
Portland, Maine
johnleeke 1 month ago
Social economy = yes!
AndyRiot 1 month ago
Missing from this article is a means of achieving it. It would be great to live in a perfect world, but we don't. Do you regulate businesses to force them into environmentally friendly practice? History shows that over-regulation burdens small businesses and the consumer. It pushes jobs overseas, where small businesses cannot compete.
ReVoLMidnight 1 month ago
So, with no real growth, what does this mean for the worldwide population growth? I would think as long as we have that, we must increase productivity.
nossy23 1 month ago
Even a hundred years ago there were alternatives to an oil driven society. But oil is dollar driven, so what can idealists do against it ? Like Juliet Schor suggests: less more or more less gives us back the human touch we miss right now in the "Holy Neoliberal Economy"
Jozi832 1 month ago
Catch the Vision!
ThomastheBrave 1 month ago
kab.tv
bobbronze 1 month ago
This is an awesome video! I am an American and while living in The Netherlands, it was clear to see that their quality of life is far greater than ours in America yet we keep claiming to be "the best". It's time for the American government to drop the ego and start looking at other countries that clearly do things better than us.
PaxEtAmor4All 1 month ago 3
While this would be a beautiful thing to see implemented, I think the American culture is too stubborn to sway from the failed "American Dream" to something that is actually possible and great. This would take a somewhat unselfish/self-centered, environmentally responsible country to implement and that is far from what America has projected as it's image in the past.
PaxEtAmor4All 1 month ago
Please ensure that the machine-generated captions are corrected so that the many people with hearing loss who need captions can fully understand what's being said. Though these captions have a high degree of accuracy, there are still a lot of errors in them.
dmulvany 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
great video
Ivatzko 2 months ago
Pandering, socialist, anti-capitalism bullshit. And I'm a democrat.
PDValentine 2 months ago
@PDValentine And your point, bro?
JakCei 2 months ago
@JakCei "bro"? You moron.
PDValentine 2 months ago
@PDValentine Problem, bro? Seriously, what makes this bullshit? Great job on convincing me that this was bullshit but in the interest of keeping other people in the loop perhaps you should explain the reasoning behind your sentiment, bro.
JakCei 2 months ago 2
@JakCei This is too easy. Jeez...
PDValentine 2 months ago
@PDValentine What a swell guy.
JakCei 2 months ago
@PDValentine There is nothing wrong with being anti-capitalist.
And I find the video ingenuous, not "pandering".
Am4d3usM0z4rt 2 months ago in playlist More videos from centernewdream
The kind of lazy, underachieving people this cartoon appeals to dearly want to believe this childlike nonsense, and enjoy getting their heads stuffed with delusional cotton candy. Fortunately, back here on Planet Earth, most people have more ambition, and aspire to something better than the sad, subsistence lifestyle depicted in the cartoon. Some of us aren't even afraid of work. Therefore, we will always win, and you will always lose. Always.
bladder1010 2 months ago
@bladder1010 I wonder if your grandfather or great-grandfather thought working his own farm or his own business was easy? The monopolistic and oligarchic state of modern economies is unnatural and it is doomed to fail. A mode of economic production which is linear rather than circular is doomed to fail. Central economies will fail, whether they are corporatist or state-planned. Attempts to introduce perpetual slavery and servitude will fail over time, because they are inimical to God's will.
BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 4 weeks ago
i have been suggesting these solutions for years!!!
ChristineLeakeyMusic 2 months ago
All people who like the idea of this type of society should check out the venus project! Just google: "the venus project" and you will find the perfect blue print for societal change!
occupyknowledge 2 months ago
The problem is, the American working class is solidly conservative and masochistically committed to working themselves to death on behalf of the Owning Class. Any suggestion that we should work fewer hours and get paid more money fills them with a pious outrage and the inevitable screams of "SO-SHUH-LISM!"
axisoffeeble 2 months ago
This video completely ignores technological unemployment. We are being consistently replaced with automation & robotics. The jobs are NEVER coming back people! Let's automate everything, and get rid of money for good! MONEY = DEBT = SLAVERY
rprice33 2 months ago
Be wary of the easy solution to a complex real-world problem. This is not a math puzzle, there is no elegant solution.
Totally unjustified claims abound to justify simplifying a very hotly contended and confusing issue. For example, "when people work less, they tend to consume fewer resources", or "long hours boost carbon emissions." Sounds like a load of crap to me, this video makes the whole economic predicament seem much simpler than it actually is.
franciswusher 2 months ago
Economic change only occurs if it incurs profit. There may be some exceptions, but the truth is, if it creates profit, whether it be ridiculous use of sex appeal to advertise, or automation in fields where we could have human workers, it will be made eventually. Please think extremely carefully on what that means, and try to fit this model to it.
I'm sorry but no matter how I look at it, this doesn't create profit. It improves the standard of living without a doubt but it doesn't create profit.
Amasdeus 2 months ago
it's time for a resourced based economy!
Fourmarduk666 2 months ago
6 hour work days = world peace, no poverty, no famish
Labil32 2 months ago
am i missing something or is this video's idea of radical paradigm shift: work less, make beer, ride an old bike?
easonmatthew 2 months ago 3
@easonmatthew I've been doing this for years and am no less discontented. What's more I can't visit a doctor, own a home or ever hope to support someone other than myself. But, hey, I do meaningful(?) work in that my skills make me feel useful and content and I have plenty of free time to do meaningful things such post on youtube, apparently... The crucial fact remains that I still work for someone else and always find myself thinking in the mode of "if I ran the zoo."
johnbaldwin207 2 months ago
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Great idea to shift to 4 days/week, and greater job sharing to spread they pay around to more workers!
It would also allow people to work 4 days, then take college courses on Fridays, to work & pay for school, & not need to take night classes (be home for dinner/family). Most community college students are older now (avg. age ~40!) And there is a lifelong student requirement to keep up. Could fit in a 3-4 hour class in Fri. morning, a 3-4 class Fri. afternoon, and even 2 Sat. classes if needed
yrbabuena 2 months ago
Forget Jobs, get rid of MONEY, let machines do the crappy work & let Humans become free to produce more valuable things....like new technologically that will help everybody.
OutbackAL 3 months ago 4
@OutbackAL how about you just grow your own food instead and living independently
Koopsters 2 months ago
No top comments?
SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING FUNNY, HURRY!
ToOothlesSs 3 months ago 2
It's hard t o imagine an economic system that is not based on growth/ inflation. But I am old enough to remember a time when this inflation spiral system was much less powerful. Life was slower, and people did things together, and your could save for big things over the course of years, without your money loosing its value. The nice thing is that it starts with a packet of seeds and an bucket of soil, and a visit to your neighbour with a handful of beans that were surplus.
KatherineLVD 3 months ago
hmm.. this doesnt address the issue of inflation caused by the lowering of unemployment.. (phillips curve) you would still need to try and stabilize prices as people will be earning less from fewer hours worked, reducing their income and purchasing power.
Right now we have a lopsided distribution of income.. so, how about tax the rich, invest in education so that the people who are looking for jobs can actually qualify for those that are available, and limit the loopholes gained by the wealthy
swerveUNO 3 months ago
I'd call this model "Germany"
FlavorDesigns 3 months ago
The drawing are cool. The concept is crap.
colinmoeller 4 months ago
As a true dutchman: It is still working as we speak. Check out the CIA statistics on the Netherlands and re-evaluate your comments.
BTW - love these drawings!
antoinem01 4 months ago 22
great idea!!!! i just hope people are "good" enough to share
JusticeForthe99 4 months ago
check out the venus project.
It makes much more sense than just re-hashing a monetary system that is falling apart at the seams...
TheTrueabundance 4 months ago
This is the band-aid approach to our essential economy of capitalism, which is based on an INFINITE GROWTH model. Nothing short of changing our entire economic system will bring significant change to people's lives.
boleroinferno 4 months ago
@boleroinferno Why not BE the change you want to see? Why not start your own company? Create your own job? Invest in your own family and life?? You're right nothing short of changing the whole thing will significantly change people's lives - but who's going to do that? Washington? They can't find the bathroom by themselves.
YOU can do it. YOU can create your own change. Who else would?
misscchristian 3 months ago
If you will it, it is no dream.
tbr125 4 months ago
People this is not utopian, its already happening and will continue to grow. This is a depiction of what IS happening, not a plan for what should happen.
This is an overview of green cottage industries and voluntary simplicity combined.
It is also part of the bigger solution, the GAASP sustainable community plan which you can read about on facebook. Combine this with locally produced clean organic energy, low energy house and organic farming and you have self reliant sustainable living.
dirkstorm 4 months ago
This is a viable transition until we've reach the resourced based economy.
huetubery 4 months ago
This completely fits with my husband's new bikesharing project, Secondwheel (blog -dot- secondwheel -dot- org for info ;) Bikesharing in the model of Couchsurfing!
TourAbsurd 4 months ago
neo-socialism at work here
TheBlitz1 4 months ago
the article noted by howarddoyle is from 2003 - what has happened since then?
barbaraj1961 4 months ago
Those running this country have a different idea. Once you starve out all of the middle class who will then have plenty of rest because they will be dead, they won't be concerned with having to rebuild the infrastructure because they will bulldoze all of the empty houses, torn up streets and bridges so they can build a mega golf course. I wish I could be around when they realize they have no one to caddy for them. Boehner might cry, but it would be a good job for him.
reasonjr1960 4 months ago
How's that government run education working out for you?
a7sus4 4 months ago
Google "Dutch economic miracle" .
It fell apart like all government managed economies eventually do.
HowardDoyle 4 months ago
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There must be a change in the way humanity interacts with economy and society will only be changed as we each make small changes that add up to a significant shift
fuegohugh 4 months ago
This is essentially a version of the plans behind the 'Dutch economic miracle'. It did work then, and it will work now. It should be implemented. Nothing utopian about it.
But, to mention a detail, home prices will drop even further while interest rates will probably rise. What this means? Those who have bought their first home (in the 2004-2008 period, especially in 2007 and 2008), who are also the ones working hard right now, will probably be brought into debt.
ahrnuld 4 months ago
@ahrnuld
...as if debt is something that someone is "brought into" without their awareness. Debt is the result of outgoing funds exceeding incoming funds. People are not "brought into" debt but put themselves there by spending more than they earn. Unless you have the money in-hand, buying a house is, by default, putting yourself into debt. Why has the term "common sense" become such an oxymoron?
anonamemess 4 months ago
@anonamemess I think you misunderstood his original post - I think this is a "lost in translation" problem. I presume he mean that people will be paying back more than their home is worth (what's the term for that - negative equity?)
sdrtcacgnrjrc 3 months ago
Interesting revisionist history there, claiming the Erlich and the Club of Rome predicted problems at the beginning of the 21st century. IIRC, they were screaming that things were going to go south in the 80s.
plaasjaapie 4 months ago
a better solution to the +economic and +environmental problems than growth. Happiness and +humandevelopment is possible without polluting our environment
pinayinperu 4 months ago 13
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Employers hiring fewer and fewer employees is the result, not the cause. You can't just tell your boss to hire more people to share your work while his company is not making enough money. This video talks nothing about any solution to today's situation, it is just pure imagination.
hotingfai 5 months ago
@hotingfai i think what he is saying is that people have over time been working longer hours. So employ more people and give those people working large working days less working hours and give that to some one else. the thing with this model is that people are greedy and want lots of hours.
Kokoda144 4 months ago
@Kokoda144 I agree that people are greedy but maybe they are greedy to more enjoy their down time? usually money does this but what if just more down time made it better?
nicxjustice 4 months ago
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hotingfai 5 months ago
a utopian dream... disconnected from the reality
pgasio 5 months ago
@pgasio This sounds like someone brimming with positive attitude and realistic solutions.
mathematicscore 5 months ago
@pgasio it always will be whilst people believe it cannot be achieved
Kokoda144 4 months ago