@Dombowerphoto A bigger sensor is able to capture more light, on a bigger sensor you have bigger pixels which capture more photons per mm². Basically, what this means is with a full frame sensor your pictures are usually about twice as bright compared to a 1.6 cropped sensor (as in Canon 5D Mark 2 compared to a 550D for example). That's the reason why the sky totally burns out on the D700 picture.
For a reasonable comparison I'd suggest to get about the same level of brightness in both pictures.
I think it would also be worth pointing out that you would most definately obtain even better results from the s5 pro by using Fuji`s own Hyper Utility HS-V3 raw converting software specifically develope for the s5 pro. It is a well know fact that 3rd party raw converters don`t do as good a job with Fuji`s unique sensor as it just is`nt designed in the same way as a so called "normal" sensor. Most people don`t use it as it cost about £70 but would give you optimum results. Good review though
I'm not saying this test is "wrong".... but it doesn't really tell the whole story. Sensors in DSLR's can be tweaked to have more dynamic range closer to the highlight spectrum or closer to the shadows spectrum on the histogram.
Do this exact same test again--- but compare shadow detail. A "proper" exposure on one camera is not the same on another camera. And also exposure is always relative to what you are shooting and the ultimate desired outcome.
@Dombowerphoto I think what Uscbryan949 is saying, is more in the lines of get it right in camera (i.e, different cameras need different settings) and THEN do the comparison. I don't think you can compare them if you're using the exact same lenses and exact same settings. That's my take on it. They're different cameras with different needs so not comparable.
@Dombowerphoto The D700 is being shot at an out of spec ISO (The D700 starts at ISO 200). I think that is unfair. Also, the D700 is obviously over exposed. Why not shoot the D700 at a correct exposure and set the Fuji to match it?
Wow! that is quite a difference!. I thought the Niko shot was the slightest touch overexposed as well but your point would stand if theye were more evenly calibrated I do believe. The level of detail you were able to bring back in the nuclear shots from the Fuji was damn amazing. Sometimes I wonder if the Camera manufacturers are pulling our legs.
@Pagansdad My opinion is, if they were shot at the same exposure (not the same settings) I suggest the D700 would recover blown at highlights just as well. But the Fuji is a great camera don't get me wrong :-)
Dom if you look at the histogram you can definitely tell that the image taken with the D700 is over expose when compare to the image taken with the Fuji.
This is all very well, but I can't fail to note that you have not tested the dozens of other DSLR's available to buy so this test, while interesting, is hardly relevant to finding the best in terms of DR in the world. All this means is an older DX Sony sensor is better than a newer FX Sony sensor :)
Thought the real difference here is that CCD sensors capture RGB independently of each other... Which is far superior than CMOS. They aren't even in the same league so you really can't compare the two. Same foes for video cameras.
@iamravenous no they don't, ccd also need rgb filters (bayer), only foveon sensors capture separate channels but there is no real world use of that, so cmos/ccd still win.
@iamravenous Like @iamravenous said, it's not about one sensor being CCD and the other CMOS. The real difference comes from the fact that the sensor in the s5 is "SuperCCD" sensor, meaning basically that it actually has two photodiodes per photosite. That is why it has better dynamic range.
I remember when Dom did this the first time with a persons face. That is why I bought a fuji. I love it. And you can get them pretty cheap. Paid $75 for mine.
Hmm, looking at the first comparison at 2 minutes, it looks like the Nikon image is a tad over exposed. Even if you use the same settings for both cameras, it doesn't mean that it is the "right" setting for both. You might have to alter the settings on one to get the exposure correct.
I'm not a Nikon advocate (not a Canon advocate either), but if the Nikon's image is over exposed, it will be at a disadvantage.
Although, I do suspect the outcome would be the same, just not as pronounced.
@Dombowerphoto dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms5pro/page17.asp wow according to this site wich pretty much test it before state something like that they say that nikon is spot on while fuji is upped to 125iso
Fuji S5 Pro was THE camera for the wedding photog. Still a great camera. If only Fuji would come back with a new DSLR. I know they have the X100 but an S6 would have been great. Dom you should try to get your hands on an X100 for a review and see if that sensor still has the DR magic!
Due to the different sensor sizes there's no point in using the same settings.
voddybull 3 months ago
@voddybull what has sensor size got to do with the settings? apart from the lense field of view?
Dombowerphoto 3 months ago
@Dombowerphoto A bigger sensor is able to capture more light, on a bigger sensor you have bigger pixels which capture more photons per mm². Basically, what this means is with a full frame sensor your pictures are usually about twice as bright compared to a 1.6 cropped sensor (as in Canon 5D Mark 2 compared to a 550D for example). That's the reason why the sky totally burns out on the D700 picture.
For a reasonable comparison I'd suggest to get about the same level of brightness in both pictures.
voddybull 3 months ago
@voddybull em no it doesnt. otherwise having one exposure setting on one camera would have no relation to an other camera.
for example
f8 1/250th iso 100 will (should) give the same image exposure no matter what the camera or sensor.
Dombowerphoto 3 months ago
@voddybull actually, let's say u use third party lens on both DX and FX cameras.
in this case, RESULT WILL BE SAME. why? because it's THE LENS who let's the light to the sensor!
crazyasspusshole 1 month ago
I think it would also be worth pointing out that you would most definately obtain even better results from the s5 pro by using Fuji`s own Hyper Utility HS-V3 raw converting software specifically develope for the s5 pro. It is a well know fact that 3rd party raw converters don`t do as good a job with Fuji`s unique sensor as it just is`nt designed in the same way as a so called "normal" sensor. Most people don`t use it as it cost about £70 but would give you optimum results. Good review though
smoothbokeh 3 months ago
respect!
BankOfCongoRepublic 4 months ago
Give it a try against a D7000 if you want to shoot at ISO 100.
druf2000 5 months ago
Fuji actually did update the S5 Pro, its called the IS PRO, but it was never realized to the general public
TheIamfrustrated 5 months ago
@TheIamfrustrated that was just an infra red version. Not really an upgrade just a different.
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto It did UV as well. I'm kinda wanting one though. anywho, maybe fuji should get back into the SLR game
TheIamfrustrated 5 months ago
I'm not saying this test is "wrong".... but it doesn't really tell the whole story. Sensors in DSLR's can be tweaked to have more dynamic range closer to the highlight spectrum or closer to the shadows spectrum on the histogram.
Do this exact same test again--- but compare shadow detail. A "proper" exposure on one camera is not the same on another camera. And also exposure is always relative to what you are shooting and the ultimate desired outcome.
martinaee 5 months ago
Were they in RAW?
Fisheyland 5 months ago
@Fisheyland oh yes. the nikon was in 14bit uncompressed
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
The Fuji has a massive dynamic range, even larger than the Sony a77! dxomark.com knows.
tongolemify 5 months ago
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bratvlad 5 months ago
Yea, I'm calling foul on this test. Lower the exposure a little on the nikon and see how it compared. They call this comparing apples to oranges.
Uscbryan949 5 months ago
@Uscbryan949 lower the exposure... ? then it would be unfair. Comparing different settings ...
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto I think what Uscbryan949 is saying, is more in the lines of get it right in camera (i.e, different cameras need different settings) and THEN do the comparison. I don't think you can compare them if you're using the exact same lenses and exact same settings. That's my take on it. They're different cameras with different needs so not comparable.
burnbarrelmedia 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto The D700 is being shot at an out of spec ISO (The D700 starts at ISO 200). I think that is unfair. Also, the D700 is obviously over exposed. Why not shoot the D700 at a correct exposure and set the Fuji to match it?
druf2000 5 months ago
Wow! that is quite a difference!. I thought the Niko shot was the slightest touch overexposed as well but your point would stand if theye were more evenly calibrated I do believe. The level of detail you were able to bring back in the nuclear shots from the Fuji was damn amazing. Sometimes I wonder if the Camera manufacturers are pulling our legs.
Pagansdad 5 months ago
@Pagansdad My opinion is, if they were shot at the same exposure (not the same settings) I suggest the D700 would recover blown at highlights just as well. But the Fuji is a great camera don't get me wrong :-)
burnbarrelmedia 5 months ago
Dom if you look at the histogram you can definitely tell that the image taken with the D700 is over expose when compare to the image taken with the Fuji.
hmmartinez26 5 months ago
Dom should write a ook on dynamic range now :)
ynobsen 5 months ago
@ynobsen Maybe in a world where these two cameras were the only ones, the book might relevant :)
stubones 5 months ago
Whats the backside with ccd-censors then? there's got to be a reason why Canon and nikon choose the cmos instead.
aleksandersandstrom 5 months ago
This is all very well, but I can't fail to note that you have not tested the dozens of other DSLR's available to buy so this test, while interesting, is hardly relevant to finding the best in terms of DR in the world. All this means is an older DX Sony sensor is better than a newer FX Sony sensor :)
stubones 5 months ago
Didt you already do a video like this about one year ago?
heuykiller 5 months ago
Thought the real difference here is that CCD sensors capture RGB independently of each other... Which is far superior than CMOS. They aren't even in the same league so you really can't compare the two. Same foes for video cameras.
iamravenous 5 months ago
@iamravenous no they don't, ccd also need rgb filters (bayer), only foveon sensors capture separate channels but there is no real world use of that, so cmos/ccd still win.
gilegraam 5 months ago
@iamravenous Like @iamravenous said, it's not about one sensor being CCD and the other CMOS. The real difference comes from the fact that the sensor in the s5 is "SuperCCD" sensor, meaning basically that it actually has two photodiodes per photosite. That is why it has better dynamic range.
Samgy1 5 months ago
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wertuiking 5 months ago
Fuji should definitely release an S6 Pro.
tknosojirou 5 months ago 3
I remember when Dom did this the first time with a persons face. That is why I bought a fuji. I love it. And you can get them pretty cheap. Paid $75 for mine.
martenfisher1 5 months ago
Ive tried this with my D7000 and I can recover lots of data, it's pretty crazy.
nerwin 5 months ago
Fuji made some of the best sensors ever.
crispycritterz 5 months ago
Great Video! Kinda makes me wish that Fuji would be in charge of making the sensor for the D800 :)
galaxiedance 5 months ago
You should test out a Pentax K-5...The sensor is on par with a D3s in terms of Dynamic Range....at least according to DxO.
BlackRockBacon 5 months ago
D3x has the best dynamic range.
w0ble 5 months ago
@w0ble show me an example
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago 5
@Dombowerphoto photographyblog [dot] com/reviews/nikon_d3x_review/sample_images
w0ble 5 months ago
@w0ble not seeing any perticularly impressive examples there. anyone done an example like in this video
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto user/QQQQcon has D3x. Ask him to take some overexposed sample shots at base ISO.
w0ble 5 months ago
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JunT86 5 months ago
@w0ble Pentax K-5 has a very good dynamic range, better than D3x in fact (according to Dx0Mark)
JunT86 5 months ago
@JunT86 I stand corrected.
w0ble 5 months ago
Hmm, looking at the first comparison at 2 minutes, it looks like the Nikon image is a tad over exposed. Even if you use the same settings for both cameras, it doesn't mean that it is the "right" setting for both. You might have to alter the settings on one to get the exposure correct.
I'm not a Nikon advocate (not a Canon advocate either), but if the Nikon's image is over exposed, it will be at a disadvantage.
Although, I do suspect the outcome would be the same, just not as pronounced.
mrman17 5 months ago 13
@mrman17 i suspect that may also be due to the fact that the nikon doesnt acutally have a reall iso 100 like the fuji.
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto just fyi the same setting in full frame sensor will absorb more light. so the same setting does not work for all camera
wertuiking 5 months ago
@Dombowerphoto dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms5pro/page17.asp wow according to this site wich pretty much test it before state something like that they say that nikon is spot on while fuji is upped to 125iso
TheChill0ut 5 months ago
Yikes!
DPTape 5 months ago
Fuji S5 Pro was THE camera for the wedding photog. Still a great camera. If only Fuji would come back with a new DSLR. I know they have the X100 but an S6 would have been great. Dom you should try to get your hands on an X100 for a review and see if that sensor still has the DR magic!
Redmondo79 5 months ago
holy firetruck!
ghpatriot 5 months ago
Why arent more people shooting with the Fuji S5 Pro ?
handsomelok 5 months ago
@handsomelok slow fps, poor noise control, and not sold any more
Dombowerphoto 5 months ago
I would compare my 7D's Dynamic Range with that of the Fuji.
Antovegadotcom 5 months ago
@Antovegadotcom whats the point?
gilegraam 5 months ago