The problem with John Kerry, however, was that he didn't just change his mind; he changed his mind to every audience he spoke to, and changed it to a position that they would support. He was trying to please everyone to the point that it became clear that either no one knew his real opinion on the matters, and thus what kind of president he would be, or he just plain didn't have any opinions of his own. Either way, changing your mind is okay, as long as you don't just change it to please people.
This is what scares me with voters, they're more concerned with their own selfish beliefs than what's GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
Politicians will say anything to get votes, grown adults still don't get it. The closest thing I've seen to a real politician is Ron Paul and the media is making damn sure no one covers his views because it goes against the divide and conquer, corporation mindset.
It took a certain satire news program to make that point clear.
Good god another Ron Paulite. Ron Paul is a Misogynistic and a Racist! And his economic policies will ruin america! He doesn't really care about you at all. And He is a complete crackpot!
Just like your "Correctitude" video on the escapist, you base your ENTIRE point on something that "other people believe in". What you do is take what people say, remove about 20% percent of its content to change it however you like and bash it. I'm not even going to spend the shitty time telling you what it was you removed. You're a smart person, YOU figure it out!
But Bob! What of a categorical imperative? What kind of world would this be if every cahnged their opinions all the time? Or if every mother had an abortion every time?
Bob seems so much smarter as the Gameoverthinker, because he tends to THINK in those. These are just partisan rants, with not one SYNAPSE dedicated toward understanding the opposing side.
As I see it flip-flopper started as a way of categorizing politicians who take whatever position is popular, or even show different opinions depending on the current audience. These are guys who just talk a good game but leave no indication that anything they say will wold water.
@kendaigmj While I'll admit a lot of politicians will change their stance just to get the vote sometimes you just have to sit back and think "maybe they genuinely feel differently about something now". Also of course they're partisan rants. Politics in general are partisan. Even those who take a so-called bi-partisan stance tend to lean a little more to one side than the other.
Also, political problems are, at heart, religious and ethical problems. To ask someone to give up their religion in order to vote more 'objectively' is to undermine essential notions of politics at best and vilely ignoring human nature at worst.
In the absence of religion, new religions must be put in their place. Atheism itself isn't a religion, however, scienitsm, postivism, historicism, liberal-progressivism, and neo-conservatives are. Consequently, marxism and nazism are also religions. They merely take the symbols that represent transcendent reality and emmanetize them. There exists no one without a religion.
@KommisarKowl hmm...while i do agree with those points....i do also believe it is possible for a person to zero beliefs....to simply want to live life...and not worry about how are why it occurs...but i guess that is a type of religion too
At the end of the day, people will accept some type of belief. Whether they choose to accept some sort of organized religion or some type of nostalgia bullshit wank fantasy trip like MovieBob has made his life to be is a different question.
I like the fact that he gives politicians the benefit of the doubt and says they are thoughtfully contemplating positions when they are, in fact, grabbing for power. John Kerry wanted the anti-war vote, so he's anti-war. He wouldn't have ended the War in Iraq if elected. Same with Romney, Romney wanted the pro-life vote, so he's pro-life. He will do nothing to overturn Roe v Wade. Politicians with a philosophy don't change their minds about key issues. Ron Paul will end the war.
Gotta love mindless abuse flung at Republicans for no real reason. Let's ignore than plenty of Democrats voted for Bush, and these days EVERYONE hates him across party lines.
I haven't seen this much knee-jerk liberalism (and that's all it is until you friggin' explain why you think what you think and stop spouting pithy insults) since the last time I visited The Escapist.
Speaking of not sticking with policies just cause "that's the choice we made," Obama in Middle East, anyone? >_>
Being pro-life isn't always about religion, thou it does play a big role in it, I would lie.
For me, I'm pro-life to a point. If the mother is in danger, if the child is just going to die right after it's bornen (I'll try to explain if people ask), or it's form a rape crime, I can understand.
I, myself, have a problem, cause there's another soltion then just killing or keeping the child.
ADOPTION!!!
There are married people out there want to have a child, but can't because of whatever.
@J1P2K It sounds more like you're not pro-life or pro-choice, you're anti-binary (As in against there being only two options, not being against computer talk.)
@MigeulP Yeah, I have to agree abit on that, I believe I'm anti-binary, but I think I'm more "anti-flase dilemma" (where someone give you two, or sometime more, choices, but you know there's another choice that was given.)
I think there's also a pretty fundamental problem that extends from the stigma that all politicians are lying assholes, and therefore flip-flopping is perceived not as adapting to new information or an honest change in opinion, but probably because some corporate entity slipped them a large check under the table, or to get some last obscure segment of voters to ensure victory.
@moviebob I believe their is a little more reason for "not voting for the flip-flopper" than you appear to be giving credit for. It is not a question of "beliefs" (for me at least, I am an atheist) or traditional crap, it is a matter of reliability. I want to be able to rely on the people I voted for to stay on the positions I voted for them for. I want him to vote for X, but he votes on Y isntead. Changing based on new facts are good, but Mittens proves logic isn't always the reason.
I think the whole flip-flopping thing doesn't indicate fickleness for voters, but rather a fear that a candidate whom they chose to represent them politically on certain issues they care about will suddenly start to act out his office in a way that they, the voters, didn't elect him/her to. Thoughts?
Bob you lament theistic condemnation of reason, logic, science, etc. but you do realize there are Christian colleges and universities that study philosophy, logic, and science right?
I'd respect your political views a lot more if you stopped with this whole bullshit notion of anything possibly maybe religious being part of some non-existent hive mind entity that hates everything scientific or rational. Galileo was a devout Roman Catholic (despite the church condemning his work).
@Magnificocadaver but the religious section that is in the news is the one that want to teach kids intelligent design, or that the earth is just 6000 years old, or that the dinosaurs died because they didn't fit onto the ark.
Something like 80% of Americans consider themselves 'Devout Christians' (which is bullshit, they don't follow the rules for slave ownership clearly laid out in the bible, Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT), but I doubt even half of them believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
i think bob is trying to glean to many of his jokes by mocking the religious right, and a complete underestimation of people in the bible belt by portraying them as religious zealots who think that belief will always supersede fact.
@jesushatesyoutoo so did ghandi and jesus christ its not a bad thing to have strong beliefs or convictions. it is bad to hold those in the face of facts just because you believe them.
@bobdiedtwice Unlike Gandi and Jesus Hitler and Stalin were obsessed with their own power of life and death over their followers and those that opposed them!
Well, thinking completely logically, I have no reason to value any human life other than my own. In fact, killing others for the sake of convenience should be completely alright. Even to the point of a Holocaust.
See, I'm not pro-life because I refuse to think about my beliefs. I'm pro-life because I think that we as a species need to respect human life, and I draw the line at ending the life of one human only for the convenience of another.
Anyway, you're right about the need for open minds.
@Jon166 well thinking completely logically won't necessarily give you a moral system because value functions (What do you want) are arbitrary.
If you have value functions that correspond somewhat to human norms you probably would end up with a form of Utilitarianism if you where fully logical.
I think it's silly to ban abortions in the first trimester, but if it is banned then the state should also provide care for all the unwanted or unsupportable (eg poor, teen mom, etc) children.
@CattyRayheart I would never personally approve of an abortion unless the mother was in danger, regardless of the trimester, but I do think that allowing first trimester abortions is reasonable enough. Whether or not a human life exists at that point is very vague.
I totally agree that government care for those children needs to be a top priority, whether direct or indirect. I wouldn't mind a significant increase in my taxes to support this sort of thing.
So fucking glad you made this video. Dead. On. Exactly the kind of shit i try telling people EVERY day! And i must admit im getting more and more frustrated at the lack of actual thinking in this country
SO glad you said this! I live in rural PA and I had to live with everyone calling Kerry a "flip-flopper" like it was a dirty word back in the day. When I gave this same argument, about how being willing to change your mind is a GOOD thing, I was ridiculed. It stuns me that people can be so stupid and remain upright.
Yay! Hardline religious right positions! Those are what our country is founded on, not this elitist "critical thinking" and "careful analysis" bullshit! I want a president who knows his position from birth and never, ever changes that position. Because, if he flip-flops over an issue, who's to say he won't flip over all the issues and become (gasp) liberal?? It's that damn fascist commie Obama's fault!
Well, now I know exactly how the so-called "sons of Master Chief" feel watching Game Overthinker episodes.
Yes, I'm pro-life. Unless the mother is likely to die because of her pregnancy, there's an alternative to abortion that doesn't involve killing what I've always known to be a living human child. It's called putting the child up for adoption. Also, these politicians aren't legitimately changing their minds, they're pandering to the audience in a shameless bid for votes.
Haha, oh wow Bob-o. You went and insinuated that everybody with anti-abortion opinions is a fundie and that they were stupid and/or brainwashed by religion. Here's an example. I'm a hard line atheist and I'm anti-abortion. Some of us believe in things in a way that doesn't conform to stereotypes. A novel concept isn't it?
Not to defend Mitt or anything. I know nothing of the guy or his policies. Maybe I'll agree with you if I read his particular argument. Try to have more tact in the future.
@randyronald Actually no, while it IS a political rant, if he calls it "political comedy" despite not having one single actual joke in it, he can pull a Jon Stewart and hide behind the old "Lighten up, it's satire and shouldn't be taken seriously" card rather than actually have to defend his positions when someone challenges them.
Luckily, Bobby-boy's got nothing to worry about. After that Antithinker crap you'll be hard pressed to find anybody who takes him seriously anymore.
People vote for Presidents who seems the best at carrying out the will of the people... it's a fundamental in democracy. The only thinking a President should do, is figuring out a good way to get things done.
Apparently that makes me a bible-thumping, hard-lined, old-fashioned asshole, all because I value the unborn?
You have gone from a nice guy who does humorous and thoughtful reviews on aspects of VIDEOGAMES, to a self-worshipping, biased, narrow-minded, self-important asshat, who apparently now thinks that doing a videogame comedy show gives him a WEALTH of knowledge and background in the political field.
@toasty100 Romney's a devout Mormon. Bob was probably referring to that.
On another note, it's charming that Bob's suddenly a self-worshiping, biased, narrow-minded, self-important asshat in your eyes because he disagrees with you on something. Have fun attempting adult life with that attitude.
@toasty100 Dude, chill out... Allow the man some space to use generalizations. I'm sure he didn't mean every pro-life person was a bible-thumper in the literal sense. He could have worded himself more elegantly, sure, but reading what you just wrote, I'd say you went out of your way to insult him 4 times as much as you interpreted you had been insulted.
And yes, I'm in the business of measuring insults.
@toasty100 Uh, I don't know if you remember this, but he has made political statements before in his game reviews. Albeit not nearly as obvious or the main point of the video, but he has. Also, what gives you the right to criticize his political beliefs? Just because he makes video game videos doesn't mean he can't do other videos too. You're just angry he has a differing opinion than you thought he had originally. Suck it up cry baby.
It's not that they flipflop. It's that they 'change their mind' not because they thought about it and came to the different conclusion. It's that most of them flipflop just to get more support. I don't want the politician to tell me what he thinks he wants me to hear. I want him to tell me what he truly thinks.
:/ Bush still confuses me. And it's difficult to maintain Americans aren't all idiots when the majority of voters couldn't find anyone better.
I think it's too vague a term, Nick Clegg's done the same thing over here (I wont go into english politics, basically he merged his party with an opposing one and they're now joint government with people they have nothing common with). Changing your mind on something is fine, but I think this (and the examples below) are more turncoat than flip-flop
Bob, I disagree. Flip-flopping is not a good thing. The result is that politicians who said one thing when they were campaigning turn around and completely disregard what they promised because it was the politically correct thing to do. It's hardly ever because it was the principled thing to do. Take Obama for example. He campaigned on a promise that stated that he would bring back our troops from the Middle East and now the country is in perpetual war including the one in Libya.
presidents are picked.John kerry & George bush were both members of the skull & bones society.they are picked by elitists such as the builderbergs etc...
funny how all of those people you constantly 'highlight' preferring belief over thinking are mostly clued into it.(im talking about christianity,not churchianity btw)the new world order is coming bob.I suggest you look into it.your amerika is just a very small part of 'the big picture'
Bob, I too struggle with the issue of "changing my mind" in politics.
Recently I changed my mind from "The OFLC should be burned to the ground and Senator Conroy buried alive under the ashes" to the more reasonable "Australians are being wrongly censored by the government, but I no longer believe torching the offices of a government body while burying a senator alive is the answer to this. Clearly more nuanced debate is required to put things right."
Another reason people don't like Romney is because they still hold a grudge against him for giving Massachusetts its universal healthcare law, which Obama said he modeled his Health Care Law after.
I agree with you for the most part. I too am sick of hearing about people changing their minds only to be victimized by the American media. It would be nicer if the media would stop complaining about the little things like who is going to win some dumb reality show and actually focus on the issues. If I politician changes their mind its not a bad thing so long as they are doing it because thats what they believe in rather than trying to pander to the lobbyists and demographic they want to sway.
@BrendanJTucker Another rules says: "No matter how ridiculous you try to sound, there's always going to be someone on the internet who takes you seriously."
Flip flopping on the Iraq issue didn't seem to hurt Hilary Clinton all that much. Sure, she lost the vote for Democratic nominee, but she's still in the freaking White House.
I am a Christian, at church every Sunday. I am also a Pro-choice Democrat. There are many types of Christians, Bob. I am not some ignorant redneck because I follow the teachings of Jesus, thats just the negative stereotype of going to Church. I live my life according to sane and rational judgment, no one can tell me that I do not. Christian doctrines also range from Liberal to Conservative. Please do not lump all of us into the same category.
@voidmaster45 He didn't. He simply said that the group Mitt Romney decided to associate himself with was a hardline religious right group. Which it is.
Belief is more important then what one knows. Example: I know that most people are ass holes, however I believe that we are all children of God and therefore brothers and sisters and I act out of that belief with love for all. However most people believe in contradicting or just plain wrong things. That being said belief is a changing thing not a constant. So Bob hit that nail on the head once again
America is a silly place. On one side you have most of the worlds smartest people and world leading experts living there, who not only work for the majority of the world leading intellectual centers and companies, but also crank out ungodly amounts of research and technology.... and on the other side, you have half the population thinking that the earth is less than 10 000 years old, and that vaccines are incredibly dangerous.
wouw bob, this show is alright. not quite as heavy but its hard to know politics from only the voters perspective. its aleways hard for me to relate to foran politics though, i deaply dissagree with our current goverment (in holland) and i dont se any light at the end of the tunnel yet.
BTW, dus anyone know Adam Curtis? go check out adam curtis.
Bob, would you want to talk about Congressional Terms and the idea of Politician as a career?
In the past people wanted to be elected to serve to get things changed. Now'a'days Congressmen have the most incentive to not do too much so as to piss off the fewest people and continue to get re-elected FOREVER.
Is going to? You already look like fools, and you have for a long long time. Seriously, the USAs got a two-party system where the choice is either a right wing blob of populist propaganda on your left hand or an extreme right wing blob of populist propaganda on your right. There are no politics in american politics.
In German politics it's different, here our chancellor Angela Merkel changes her mind all the time for instance the gouvernment increased the running time of nuclear power 2 years ago, and now after the events in Fukushima and protests of the people here. the last German nuclear power plant shall be turned of in 2022... through those actions of her changing her mind and folllowing the will of the people even increased her popularity...
What's your problem with Christianity? The Bible is a book of wisdoms. Good ones. I wouldn't mind having a president who follows those wisdoms (to a reasonable extent). This doesn't mean he/she shouldn't think for themselves.
@rkfan100 um you didn't see movie bobs video about beeing a gnostic? where he says that he was raised at a catholic school andtalks about not beliving in what's written in the bible but take what's written in it as a good advice (see his videos at the escapist)
The only reason(s) Florida was a red state was because Broward County voted Bush pulling a huge number of votes. The chads on the butterfly ballots caused problems as well. If a chad wasn't "fully punched through" then it didn't count. Needless to say there were a lot like that/ Some could say thanks to Jeb Bush the election was also somewhat rigged, but that;s a different story. I know all this because I was counting ballots during the election......for three days. Life sucks sometimes
@anacortian What are you talking about? All he said was that he doesn't like Bush and Romney and prefers critical thinking over blind faith. Sounds like a progressive to me, which sadly doesn't exist in american politics anymore.
Yah the whole flip-flopper thing really annoyed me way back.
Though, I still don't like when Americans say "leader of the free world".
Like what's that even mean? And why continuously try and make yourself "the best" at all times.
I'm pretty sure this nice little safe European country I live in is just as free as the United States. In fact comparing some of the laws we have here... we are more at liberty to do some things, than the Americans are.
I hate to say it, but I kinda get were they are coming from with the hate for flip-flops. I mean, in this day and age I think we vote more for at political standpoint than a person. And if we believe we can't thrust the person to keep his standpoint for the 4 years he's voted in, I think it's only natural shy away form that person. I'd prefer a political leader who can change his/her mind based on facts too, but I can totally see why some people wouldn't.
@Bertziethegreat Well better of than some 3rd world countrys yes but the USA isn't a 3rd world country, for a developed country policitcs and ethics lack behind (not awknoloding gay marridge,in many parts of the country death penalty, you can't see a nude person on the afternoon tv but uncut violence, but most importantly the restrictions of free speech and human rights in the USA, if only the suspicion (even without prove) exists that you are a terrorist, then you can be locked up in Guantanmo)
@Raffix394 in America, you can call the president a terrorist, and not a single thing will happen to you. You go to most of europe and even think about questioning anything from the holocaust, you get sent to jail. Wanna own a gun? America is pretty much the only place you can.
As I said, she may not be perfect, but she's still pretty damn free.
@Bertziethegreat Not liking the president or a political leader and saying so is a world wide issue, no difference in the USA, Germany, France or whereever else in the Western world. But let's say you look muslim and shout something about gihad or holy war you might just disapear..., you can say anything you like about the holocaust, never heared of anyone going to jail or anything like that well that you shouldn't is a matter of manners but there's no law against it.
@Bertziethegreat Owning a gun is something I see crticial as well, you get no gain of allowing guns only disatvantegs, gangs shooting each other, students going to school shooting their teachers, and many people getting shot by accident. Most people who own a gun in the US don't know how to handle it not like for instance in Switzerland where former militia members could keep their weapons. But letting people own guns just increases the hoomocide rate witch is pretty high in the US
@Bertziethegreat What I as an outside find very iritatong about the US is that people fear their gouvernment, while in most of Europe the gouvernment fears the people, when laws ar introduced people don't agree with people strike and protest so long untill the gouvernment agrees to comprimise or vote abot the law (strikes are common especially in France and Germany, and now also in Greece, but in case of Greece the gouvernment has no choise if it wants to prevent backrupcy)
@Churchx77 As in O'Bama does not want the attention he doesn't want many people looking up at him as the leader, we are still the strongest power here, we have the least bad economic system (yes there are worse economies believe it or not.. except maybe Japan, but thats because they dont have a military, and thats besides the point). We still are the leader of the free world, whether we would like to admit it or not
@iamironpenguin No not by a long fucking shot. Illegal wiretaps, wars started without approval of the congress, extraordinary rendition, secret strike in foreign countries the american people doesnt know about, corrupt political system, coporations given a blank check when it comes to political donations, torture, lack of free press etc etc... Get real friendo.
@Churchx77 And the rest of the world does NOT do this? You notice all the riots and fighting and corrupt political systems, again the only person who is in better shape than us is Japan, and they have no power, everyone else is as bad or worse, Mexico has drug wars it's own corrupt political system and gives shit to government, give me a country that has any amount of considerable influence on the world that is better than us, you look at teveryone else, they are just as bad or worse
@iamironpenguin Does it do this and call itself a safe haven for liberty and freedom? An exemple for the world to follow? Nope.Riots are more of a cultural thing than anything else. American workers dont riot, shit theyre barely allowed to have unions. And you're talking about influence, Russia has influence over a lot of people in the balkans. China over parts of Africa, doesnt change anything. The world does not look at the US for guidance. It is no leader. Certainly not of the free world.
I agree with your main point, changing one's mind is not a bad thing. It's still annoying to think that someone with such amazingly brilliant and credible insight into the fields of gaming, film, and comics doesn't understand enough economics to realize that the democrats are trying to run this country into the ground financially, while the republicans are, ehhh... being cool with it so long as they can spread their religious, ignorant bullshit. I would've thought you'd get it. no disrespect.
Kerry wasn't a "flip-flopper " but a strait up panderer. He would tell the people what he thought they wanted to hear. I remember in one of the debates he said he was going to stop the war and pull troops out of Iraq then in the same freaking debate say that he is going to double the number of troops there.
Also being pro life does not mean you are a bible throwing christian. It means they feel the fetus is a human life.
Wow...movie critic, (most of the time) comic book commentator, video game commentator, and now POLITICAL commentator too? This, folks, is what we used to call a "well-rounded individual"
Fuck Mitt Romney he's a statist d-bag, and most politicians are not consistent and change usually go statist when they're elected into office, wouldn't you have liked President Obama to stay consistent to the views when he was Senator Obama and not violate our civil liberties and gotten out of the wars in the middle east, if a politician is not consistent, then how would you know if the person you voted for kept their word or not.
Well said Bob. I completely agree. I was once accused of being a "namby pamby who'ssideareyouon independant" to which I responded "you say that like it's a bad thing."
What a world we live in where the idiot with rock solid morals, correct or not, is considered more of an American than a thoughtful individual who tackles the big issues and bases his conclusions on an inner struggle of self reflection.
Damn, no "one hit wonder" for you, you are consistantly on about your politics, and I couldn't agree with you more, for example, I've changed my mind about a lot of things, least of all being political viewpoints. And I'm going to say it flat out, I will change my mind again about everything, its part of being an intelligent human, but then, those seem to be rare in politics anymore
@Vash3OO1 He's not bashing on Bush for the sake of bashing on Bush. He's merely bringing him up because he makes a great and relevant example for the topic he's talking about.
I always thougth the only way to be right about anything is if you change your mind at some point to something that has been demonstrated to you as correct.
I do think there is a real form of flip flopping, and it usually happens on some campaign trail. When they hold different opinions depending on what region they happen to be visiting.
But I totally agree that Mitt is getting screwed over, even if I'd never vote for him.
Nice one. Really enjoying the passion this series is bringing out in Bob.
Why is it that when Kerry changed his mind about some things he said 10+ years ago it made him a flip flopper, but when John McCain forsook every one of his moderate principles in a span of just 2 years nobody seemed to notice? He was the reasonable Republican, the one who regularly went on the Daily Show, and then he was a hardline right winger. wtf?
this is a great new series and yet another example of how diverse you are in the medium. Great stuff bob, you have my support. Now you don't. Oops, I just flip-flopped. haha.
/watch?v=0MFv-h4ZhLI
Like American Bob? Watch this
ApolloBobTom 3 months ago
The problem with John Kerry, however, was that he didn't just change his mind; he changed his mind to every audience he spoke to, and changed it to a position that they would support. He was trying to please everyone to the point that it became clear that either no one knew his real opinion on the matters, and thus what kind of president he would be, or he just plain didn't have any opinions of his own. Either way, changing your mind is okay, as long as you don't just change it to please people.
Alexrider02 5 months ago 3
This is what scares me with voters, they're more concerned with their own selfish beliefs than what's GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
Politicians will say anything to get votes, grown adults still don't get it. The closest thing I've seen to a real politician is Ron Paul and the media is making damn sure no one covers his views because it goes against the divide and conquer, corporation mindset.
It took a certain satire news program to make that point clear.
Gallimaestro 5 months ago 4
@Gallimaestro
Good god another Ron Paulite. Ron Paul is a Misogynistic and a Racist! And his economic policies will ruin america! He doesn't really care about you at all. And He is a complete crackpot!
Watch this youtubevideo: /watch?v=xYaujnR_8NE
Wesleym134 3 days ago
Just like your "Correctitude" video on the escapist, you base your ENTIRE point on something that "other people believe in". What you do is take what people say, remove about 20% percent of its content to change it however you like and bash it. I'm not even going to spend the shitty time telling you what it was you removed. You're a smart person, YOU figure it out!
PS: I really loved the first episode, though!
TheDavoo 7 months ago
It's good of someone to finally blame the VOTERS for being stupid. Excellent video, Bob.
guntotingtomcat 7 months ago 3
But Bob! What of a categorical imperative? What kind of world would this be if every cahnged their opinions all the time? Or if every mother had an abortion every time?
Philosotaku 8 months ago
@Philosotaku then we would have solved over population and have a generally lower crime rate
trexrawrrawrrawr 6 months ago
Bob seems so much smarter as the Gameoverthinker, because he tends to THINK in those. These are just partisan rants, with not one SYNAPSE dedicated toward understanding the opposing side.
As I see it flip-flopper started as a way of categorizing politicians who take whatever position is popular, or even show different opinions depending on the current audience. These are guys who just talk a good game but leave no indication that anything they say will wold water.
kendaigmj 8 months ago
@kendaigmj While I'll admit a lot of politicians will change their stance just to get the vote sometimes you just have to sit back and think "maybe they genuinely feel differently about something now". Also of course they're partisan rants. Politics in general are partisan. Even those who take a so-called bi-partisan stance tend to lean a little more to one side than the other.
swordhunter12 7 months ago
@swordhunter12 I tend to think the definition of flip-flopper degraded after the 2004 election, when the accusation was vengefully lobbed at Bush.
kendaigmj 6 months ago
I am from the Midwest pleases stop making fun of us. Were not all stupid so pleases just stop.
xolta11 8 months ago
Also, political problems are, at heart, religious and ethical problems. To ask someone to give up their religion in order to vote more 'objectively' is to undermine essential notions of politics at best and vilely ignoring human nature at worst.
KommisarKowl 8 months ago
@KommisarKowl so what of those that do not have a religion? where do they stand? or is not having a religion in fact a religion in itself?
trexrawrrawrrawr 6 months ago
@trexrawrrawrrawr
In the absence of religion, new religions must be put in their place. Atheism itself isn't a religion, however, scienitsm, postivism, historicism, liberal-progressivism, and neo-conservatives are. Consequently, marxism and nazism are also religions. They merely take the symbols that represent transcendent reality and emmanetize them. There exists no one without a religion.
KommisarKowl 6 months ago
@KommisarKowl hmm...while i do agree with those points....i do also believe it is possible for a person to zero beliefs....to simply want to live life...and not worry about how are why it occurs...but i guess that is a type of religion too
trexrawrrawrrawr 6 months ago
@trexrawrrawrrawr
At the end of the day, people will accept some type of belief. Whether they choose to accept some sort of organized religion or some type of nostalgia bullshit wank fantasy trip like MovieBob has made his life to be is a different question.
KommisarKowl 6 months ago
I like the fact that he gives politicians the benefit of the doubt and says they are thoughtfully contemplating positions when they are, in fact, grabbing for power. John Kerry wanted the anti-war vote, so he's anti-war. He wouldn't have ended the War in Iraq if elected. Same with Romney, Romney wanted the pro-life vote, so he's pro-life. He will do nothing to overturn Roe v Wade. Politicians with a philosophy don't change their minds about key issues. Ron Paul will end the war.
KommisarKowl 8 months ago
It's kind of hard to elect a representative if you don't know what he stands for...
Also if you just change your mind for political gain then you know even less what they stand for, or what they will stand for next week.
howsaboutyoudie 8 months ago
This is the first video is a LONG time that I agree with bob on all 100%, not a single objection to anything he said. Well played sir.
kostiak 8 months ago
I'm afraid of Americans, I'm afraid of the world, I'm afraid I cant help it.
exosfear512 8 months ago 25
@exosfear512 im americans and im scared of americans too 0,0
darkmyro 8 months ago
@exosfear512 I'm American and I'M afraid of Americans!
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vechorik 4 months ago
Gotta love mindless abuse flung at Republicans for no real reason. Let's ignore than plenty of Democrats voted for Bush, and these days EVERYONE hates him across party lines.
I haven't seen this much knee-jerk liberalism (and that's all it is until you friggin' explain why you think what you think and stop spouting pithy insults) since the last time I visited The Escapist.
Speaking of not sticking with policies just cause "that's the choice we made," Obama in Middle East, anyone? >_>
TheSamuraiGoomba 8 months ago
Being pro-life isn't always about religion, thou it does play a big role in it, I would lie.
For me, I'm pro-life to a point. If the mother is in danger, if the child is just going to die right after it's bornen (I'll try to explain if people ask), or it's form a rape crime, I can understand.
I, myself, have a problem, cause there's another soltion then just killing or keeping the child.
ADOPTION!!!
There are married people out there want to have a child, but can't because of whatever.
J1P2K 8 months ago
@J1P2K It sounds more like you're not pro-life or pro-choice, you're anti-binary (As in against there being only two options, not being against computer talk.)
MigeulP 8 months ago
@MigeulP Yeah, I have to agree abit on that, I believe I'm anti-binary, but I think I'm more "anti-flase dilemma" (where someone give you two, or sometime more, choices, but you know there's another choice that was given.)
J1P2K 8 months ago
I think there's also a pretty fundamental problem that extends from the stigma that all politicians are lying assholes, and therefore flip-flopping is perceived not as adapting to new information or an honest change in opinion, but probably because some corporate entity slipped them a large check under the table, or to get some last obscure segment of voters to ensure victory.
AniMerrill 8 months ago
@moviebob I believe their is a little more reason for "not voting for the flip-flopper" than you appear to be giving credit for. It is not a question of "beliefs" (for me at least, I am an atheist) or traditional crap, it is a matter of reliability. I want to be able to rely on the people I voted for to stay on the positions I voted for them for. I want him to vote for X, but he votes on Y isntead. Changing based on new facts are good, but Mittens proves logic isn't always the reason.
notbobby125 8 months ago
How about discussing liberalism in the U.S.A?
VaryGeek 8 months ago
I think the whole flip-flopping thing doesn't indicate fickleness for voters, but rather a fear that a candidate whom they chose to represent them politically on certain issues they care about will suddenly start to act out his office in a way that they, the voters, didn't elect him/her to. Thoughts?
Maxurai2222 8 months ago
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
-John Maynard Keynes
GerardBlaize 8 months ago
Bob you lament theistic condemnation of reason, logic, science, etc. but you do realize there are Christian colleges and universities that study philosophy, logic, and science right?
I'd respect your political views a lot more if you stopped with this whole bullshit notion of anything possibly maybe religious being part of some non-existent hive mind entity that hates everything scientific or rational. Galileo was a devout Roman Catholic (despite the church condemning his work).
Magnificocadaver 8 months ago
@Magnificocadaver but the religious section that is in the news is the one that want to teach kids intelligent design, or that the earth is just 6000 years old, or that the dinosaurs died because they didn't fit onto the ark.
Something like 80% of Americans consider themselves 'Devout Christians' (which is bullshit, they don't follow the rules for slave ownership clearly laid out in the bible, Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT), but I doubt even half of them believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
CattyRayheart 8 months ago
i think bob is trying to glean to many of his jokes by mocking the religious right, and a complete underestimation of people in the bible belt by portraying them as religious zealots who think that belief will always supersede fact.
jedislayer29 8 months ago
Hitler and Stalin had strong believes and never changed their opinions either.
jesushatesyoutoo 8 months ago
@jesushatesyoutoo so did ghandi and jesus christ its not a bad thing to have strong beliefs or convictions. it is bad to hold those in the face of facts just because you believe them.
bobdiedtwice 8 months ago
@bobdiedtwice Unlike Gandi and Jesus Hitler and Stalin were obsessed with their own power of life and death over their followers and those that opposed them!
jesushatesyoutoo 8 months ago
I'm glad you used a picture from the greatest game of all time: Super Joe and Mac on the SNES!
greekperson0305 8 months ago
Well, thinking completely logically, I have no reason to value any human life other than my own. In fact, killing others for the sake of convenience should be completely alright. Even to the point of a Holocaust.
See, I'm not pro-life because I refuse to think about my beliefs. I'm pro-life because I think that we as a species need to respect human life, and I draw the line at ending the life of one human only for the convenience of another.
Anyway, you're right about the need for open minds.
Jon166 8 months ago
@Jon166 well thinking completely logically won't necessarily give you a moral system because value functions (What do you want) are arbitrary.
If you have value functions that correspond somewhat to human norms you probably would end up with a form of Utilitarianism if you where fully logical.
I think it's silly to ban abortions in the first trimester, but if it is banned then the state should also provide care for all the unwanted or unsupportable (eg poor, teen mom, etc) children.
CattyRayheart 8 months ago
@CattyRayheart I would never personally approve of an abortion unless the mother was in danger, regardless of the trimester, but I do think that allowing first trimester abortions is reasonable enough. Whether or not a human life exists at that point is very vague.
I totally agree that government care for those children needs to be a top priority, whether direct or indirect. I wouldn't mind a significant increase in my taxes to support this sort of thing.
Jon166 8 months ago
So fucking glad you made this video. Dead. On. Exactly the kind of shit i try telling people EVERY day! And i must admit im getting more and more frustrated at the lack of actual thinking in this country
ADeadlierSnake 8 months ago
SO glad you said this! I live in rural PA and I had to live with everyone calling Kerry a "flip-flopper" like it was a dirty word back in the day. When I gave this same argument, about how being willing to change your mind is a GOOD thing, I was ridiculed. It stuns me that people can be so stupid and remain upright.
bookjunkie500 8 months ago
overthinkers mix of balanced rationality and comedic cynicism focused on political subjects.....im in
GinGeeK 8 months ago
i'm canadian. i find this to be absolutly hilarious because i actually understand it
nintendomanofgod 8 months ago 26
So does that mean you'll eventually change your mind about Metroid Other M :P
evangelion243 8 months ago
awesome. I like this "American Bob" series.
dewfish 8 months ago
Yay! Hardline religious right positions! Those are what our country is founded on, not this elitist "critical thinking" and "careful analysis" bullshit! I want a president who knows his position from birth and never, ever changes that position. Because, if he flip-flops over an issue, who's to say he won't flip over all the issues and become (gasp) liberal?? It's that damn fascist commie Obama's fault!
Nickompoop 8 months ago
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"Leader of the free world"
*cringe*
Bazooya 8 months ago
Put this much thought into Game Overthinker and you will win a lot of fans back.
Patrick128000 8 months ago
Childbirth: apparently now piss easy and pain-free.
ninjainthebasement 8 months ago
Is this an episode of the Big Picture?
Jamick98Geass 8 months ago
MORE OF THIS SHIT. i wish i could see more vids on all subjects like this.
david02129 8 months ago
"George W. Bush was wrong about everything"
And I'm closing the window
wedgeskywalker9 8 months ago
awesome
spudkiddude 8 months ago
Well, now I know exactly how the so-called "sons of Master Chief" feel watching Game Overthinker episodes.
Yes, I'm pro-life. Unless the mother is likely to die because of her pregnancy, there's an alternative to abortion that doesn't involve killing what I've always known to be a living human child. It's called putting the child up for adoption. Also, these politicians aren't legitimately changing their minds, they're pandering to the audience in a shameless bid for votes.
SoulMaster71 8 months ago
Haha, oh wow Bob-o. You went and insinuated that everybody with anti-abortion opinions is a fundie and that they were stupid and/or brainwashed by religion. Here's an example. I'm a hard line atheist and I'm anti-abortion. Some of us believe in things in a way that doesn't conform to stereotypes. A novel concept isn't it?
Not to defend Mitt or anything. I know nothing of the guy or his policies. Maybe I'll agree with you if I read his particular argument. Try to have more tact in the future.
TheSaylesMan 8 months ago
'A political rant' would be more accurate than 'a political comedy show'.
randyronald 8 months ago
@randyronald Actually no, while it IS a political rant, if he calls it "political comedy" despite not having one single actual joke in it, he can pull a Jon Stewart and hide behind the old "Lighten up, it's satire and shouldn't be taken seriously" card rather than actually have to defend his positions when someone challenges them.
Luckily, Bobby-boy's got nothing to worry about. After that Antithinker crap you'll be hard pressed to find anybody who takes him seriously anymore.
KevServo 8 months ago
nice
douglasdeleu 8 months ago
Good video, Bob, I definitely agree with you.
TKnightcrawler 8 months ago
People vote for Presidents who seems the best at carrying out the will of the people... it's a fundamental in democracy. The only thinking a President should do, is figuring out a good way to get things done.
FatLingon 8 months ago
Seriously? Fuck you you, Bob.
I'm not even religious, and yet I'm pro-life.
Apparently that makes me a bible-thumping, hard-lined, old-fashioned asshole, all because I value the unborn?
You have gone from a nice guy who does humorous and thoughtful reviews on aspects of VIDEOGAMES, to a self-worshipping, biased, narrow-minded, self-important asshat, who apparently now thinks that doing a videogame comedy show gives him a WEALTH of knowledge and background in the political field.
toasty100 8 months ago
@toasty100 Romney's a devout Mormon. Bob was probably referring to that.
On another note, it's charming that Bob's suddenly a self-worshiping, biased, narrow-minded, self-important asshat in your eyes because he disagrees with you on something. Have fun attempting adult life with that attitude.
ARyttz 8 months ago
@toasty100 Dude, chill out... Allow the man some space to use generalizations. I'm sure he didn't mean every pro-life person was a bible-thumper in the literal sense. He could have worded himself more elegantly, sure, but reading what you just wrote, I'd say you went out of your way to insult him 4 times as much as you interpreted you had been insulted.
And yes, I'm in the business of measuring insults.
FatLingon 8 months ago
@toasty100 Uh, I don't know if you remember this, but he has made political statements before in his game reviews. Albeit not nearly as obvious or the main point of the video, but he has. Also, what gives you the right to criticize his political beliefs? Just because he makes video game videos doesn't mean he can't do other videos too. You're just angry he has a differing opinion than you thought he had originally. Suck it up cry baby.
jadedtwin 8 months ago
@jadedtwin I'm not criticizing his views, I'm complaining on the narrowminded and completely biased statements he makes.
What if I just started a show and called all pro-choicers "baby hating, inhumane bastards."
People would be rightfully pissed.
toasty100 8 months ago
It's not that they flipflop. It's that they 'change their mind' not because they thought about it and came to the different conclusion. It's that most of them flipflop just to get more support. I don't want the politician to tell me what he thinks he wants me to hear. I want him to tell me what he truly thinks.
reptile8373 8 months ago
I vote Bob for president, fuck the rest.
Gmmm 8 months ago
Belief is better? Okay I BELIEVE that they really should get religion the fuck away from politics
monotar 8 months ago
oh america, you so crazy
wolfcrab 8 months ago
yeah.... do you really think all this nationalism is good for the world? Leader of the free world?????
Maybe the program would be better if you tryed to be a little more universal in your conception of politics...
felipevelloso 8 months ago
:/ Bush still confuses me. And it's difficult to maintain Americans aren't all idiots when the majority of voters couldn't find anyone better.
I think it's too vague a term, Nick Clegg's done the same thing over here (I wont go into english politics, basically he merged his party with an opposing one and they're now joint government with people they have nothing common with). Changing your mind on something is fine, but I think this (and the examples below) are more turncoat than flip-flop
BrendanJTucker 8 months ago
@BrendanJTucker Even if we could find anyone better, there's no way in hell he would have gotten past the primaries.
MedievalWerewolf 8 months ago
i really like this new "series" that you have been making, keep it up.
Zuwze 8 months ago
I wont mind if you change your mind about this tomorrow.
MultiFortunatus 8 months ago
Bob, I disagree. Flip-flopping is not a good thing. The result is that politicians who said one thing when they were campaigning turn around and completely disregard what they promised because it was the politically correct thing to do. It's hardly ever because it was the principled thing to do. Take Obama for example. He campaigned on a promise that stated that he would bring back our troops from the Middle East and now the country is in perpetual war including the one in Libya.
evilminion89 8 months ago
presidents are picked.John kerry & George bush were both members of the skull & bones society.they are picked by elitists such as the builderbergs etc...
funny how all of those people you constantly 'highlight' preferring belief over thinking are mostly clued into it.(im talking about christianity,not churchianity btw)the new world order is coming bob.I suggest you look into it.your amerika is just a very small part of 'the big picture'
TheSpliffSmoker 8 months ago
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.
This really needed to be said.
Thanks to nightshade too because of the point about pandering.
Edtries 8 months ago
You know what's really sad? My dad kept insisting that Bush get another 4 more years. That's right, he wanted a THIRD term!
Rubberman202 8 months ago
Bob, I too struggle with the issue of "changing my mind" in politics.
Recently I changed my mind from "The OFLC should be burned to the ground and Senator Conroy buried alive under the ashes" to the more reasonable "Australians are being wrongly censored by the government, but I no longer believe torching the offices of a government body while burying a senator alive is the answer to this. Clearly more nuanced debate is required to put things right."
You see how this perspective... improves?
TeenAuthor 8 months ago
Another reason people don't like Romney is because they still hold a grudge against him for giving Massachusetts its universal healthcare law, which Obama said he modeled his Health Care Law after.
jseeker1867 8 months ago
I agree with you for the most part. I too am sick of hearing about people changing their minds only to be victimized by the American media. It would be nicer if the media would stop complaining about the little things like who is going to win some dumb reality show and actually focus on the issues. If I politician changes their mind its not a bad thing so long as they are doing it because thats what they believe in rather than trying to pander to the lobbyists and demographic they want to sway.
marauderNOR 8 months ago
I hear HITLER changed his mind.
2hakkabakka 8 months ago
@2hakkabakka as per the rules of the internet, you have now lost
BrendanJTucker 8 months ago
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2hakkabakka 8 months ago
Moviebob's Strawmen burn brightly.
sirfith 8 months ago
Flip flopping on the Iraq issue didn't seem to hurt Hilary Clinton all that much. Sure, she lost the vote for Democratic nominee, but she's still in the freaking White House.
MrArmageddon666 8 months ago
I am a Christian, at church every Sunday. I am also a Pro-choice Democrat. There are many types of Christians, Bob. I am not some ignorant redneck because I follow the teachings of Jesus, thats just the negative stereotype of going to Church. I live my life according to sane and rational judgment, no one can tell me that I do not. Christian doctrines also range from Liberal to Conservative. Please do not lump all of us into the same category.
voidmaster45 8 months ago
@voidmaster45 He didn't. He simply said that the group Mitt Romney decided to associate himself with was a hardline religious right group. Which it is.
Aleolex 8 months ago
This new series is delicious. :D
64films 8 months ago
Belief is more important then what one knows. Example: I know that most people are ass holes, however I believe that we are all children of God and therefore brothers and sisters and I act out of that belief with love for all. However most people believe in contradicting or just plain wrong things. That being said belief is a changing thing not a constant. So Bob hit that nail on the head once again
InspectorKen88 8 months ago
America is a silly place. On one side you have most of the worlds smartest people and world leading experts living there, who not only work for the majority of the world leading intellectual centers and companies, but also crank out ungodly amounts of research and technology.... and on the other side, you have half the population thinking that the earth is less than 10 000 years old, and that vaccines are incredibly dangerous.
boonw 8 months ago
wouw bob, this show is alright. not quite as heavy but its hard to know politics from only the voters perspective. its aleways hard for me to relate to foran politics though, i deaply dissagree with our current goverment (in holland) and i dont se any light at the end of the tunnel yet.
BTW, dus anyone know Adam Curtis? go check out adam curtis.
ptwob 8 months ago
America is no longer a "free world". From what I have seen in my lifetime the idea that America is a free place to live in long dead.
MrBubbleKing 8 months ago
Bob, would you want to talk about Congressional Terms and the idea of Politician as a career?
In the past people wanted to be elected to serve to get things changed. Now'a'days Congressmen have the most incentive to not do too much so as to piss off the fewest people and continue to get re-elected FOREVER.
GuillermoSmyser 8 months ago
Anti-intellectualism is going to fester in the country like a wound, draining our strength and making us look like fools to the world.
jfridy 8 months ago
@jfridy
Is going to? You already look like fools, and you have for a long long time. Seriously, the USAs got a two-party system where the choice is either a right wing blob of populist propaganda on your left hand or an extreme right wing blob of populist propaganda on your right. There are no politics in american politics.
Netrom07 8 months ago
"AND DESPITE WHAT OUR IGNORANCE WORSHIPING CULTURE SAYS, HAVING A MIND IS NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF." - Bob Chipman
Xosgni 8 months ago
In German politics it's different, here our chancellor Angela Merkel changes her mind all the time for instance the gouvernment increased the running time of nuclear power 2 years ago, and now after the events in Fukushima and protests of the people here. the last German nuclear power plant shall be turned of in 2022... through those actions of her changing her mind and folllowing the will of the people even increased her popularity...
Raffix394 8 months ago
Angry birds flip flops look cute
jamminjago 8 months ago
What's your problem with Christianity? The Bible is a book of wisdoms. Good ones. I wouldn't mind having a president who follows those wisdoms (to a reasonable extent). This doesn't mean he/she shouldn't think for themselves.
rkfan100 8 months ago
@rkfan100 um you didn't see movie bobs video about beeing a gnostic? where he says that he was raised at a catholic school andtalks about not beliving in what's written in the bible but take what's written in it as a good advice (see his videos at the escapist)
Raffix394 8 months ago
Excellent
MegaShadowrunner 8 months ago
Similar problem in British politics, except our ministers by in large believe nothing, except that votes are good.
guntotingtomcat 8 months ago
These videos make my day
SuperCakeMan12 8 months ago
I agree, flip flopping is a dumb word to begin with.
Kilination 8 months ago
God I hate flip flops, especially when people can't seem to pick up their feet.
Solereaper21 8 months ago
The only reason(s) Florida was a red state was because Broward County voted Bush pulling a huge number of votes. The chads on the butterfly ballots caused problems as well. If a chad wasn't "fully punched through" then it didn't count. Needless to say there were a lot like that/ Some could say thanks to Jeb Bush the election was also somewhat rigged, but that;s a different story. I know all this because I was counting ballots during the election......for three days. Life sucks sometimes
SuperCakeMan12 8 months ago
@anacortian What are you talking about? All he said was that he doesn't like Bush and Romney and prefers critical thinking over blind faith. Sounds like a progressive to me, which sadly doesn't exist in american politics anymore.
JMSofSweden 8 months ago
Bob, is there a chance you can do an episode on Libertarians and/or other Third Parties?
jbevan70 8 months ago 6
Yah the whole flip-flopper thing really annoyed me way back.
Though, I still don't like when Americans say "leader of the free world".
Like what's that even mean? And why continuously try and make yourself "the best" at all times.
I'm pretty sure this nice little safe European country I live in is just as free as the United States. In fact comparing some of the laws we have here... we are more at liberty to do some things, than the Americans are.
dubdesignnet 8 months ago
Great video!
oizz 8 months ago
LOL Bob is liberal?
kidsteal 8 months ago
I hate to say it, but I kinda get were they are coming from with the hate for flip-flops. I mean, in this day and age I think we vote more for at political standpoint than a person. And if we believe we can't thrust the person to keep his standpoint for the 4 years he's voted in, I think it's only natural shy away form that person. I'd prefer a political leader who can change his/her mind based on facts too, but I can totally see why some people wouldn't.
VredeJohn 8 months ago
This time I couldn't agree more with your Bob. Great video.:-)
freaknr1 8 months ago
I didn't think I'd like your new show.
I was wrong.
mandrilltiger 8 months ago
Leader of the free world my ass. America doesnt get to call itself that anymore.
Churchx77 8 months ago 81
@Churchx77 agreed
kitrana 8 months ago
@Churchx77 lol yea it does i just saw it on tv yesterday
shadowzard7 8 months ago
@Churchx77 America may not be perfect, but it's still free-er than the majority of the world.
Bertziethegreat 8 months ago
@Bertziethegreat Well better of than some 3rd world countrys yes but the USA isn't a 3rd world country, for a developed country policitcs and ethics lack behind (not awknoloding gay marridge,in many parts of the country death penalty, you can't see a nude person on the afternoon tv but uncut violence, but most importantly the restrictions of free speech and human rights in the USA, if only the suspicion (even without prove) exists that you are a terrorist, then you can be locked up in Guantanmo)
Raffix394 8 months ago
@Raffix394 in America, you can call the president a terrorist, and not a single thing will happen to you. You go to most of europe and even think about questioning anything from the holocaust, you get sent to jail. Wanna own a gun? America is pretty much the only place you can.
As I said, she may not be perfect, but she's still pretty damn free.
Bertziethegreat 8 months ago
@Bertziethegreat Not liking the president or a political leader and saying so is a world wide issue, no difference in the USA, Germany, France or whereever else in the Western world. But let's say you look muslim and shout something about gihad or holy war you might just disapear..., you can say anything you like about the holocaust, never heared of anyone going to jail or anything like that well that you shouldn't is a matter of manners but there's no law against it.
Raffix394 8 months ago
@Bertziethegreat Owning a gun is something I see crticial as well, you get no gain of allowing guns only disatvantegs, gangs shooting each other, students going to school shooting their teachers, and many people getting shot by accident. Most people who own a gun in the US don't know how to handle it not like for instance in Switzerland where former militia members could keep their weapons. But letting people own guns just increases the hoomocide rate witch is pretty high in the US
Raffix394 8 months ago
@Bertziethegreat What I as an outside find very iritatong about the US is that people fear their gouvernment, while in most of Europe the gouvernment fears the people, when laws ar introduced people don't agree with people strike and protest so long untill the gouvernment agrees to comprimise or vote abot the law (strikes are common especially in France and Germany, and now also in Greece, but in case of Greece the gouvernment has no choise if it wants to prevent backrupcy)
Raffix394 8 months ago
@Raffix394 If it gets bad enough we can just start shooting. :)
Bertziethegreat 8 months ago
@Churchx77 As in O'Bama does not want the attention he doesn't want many people looking up at him as the leader, we are still the strongest power here, we have the least bad economic system (yes there are worse economies believe it or not.. except maybe Japan, but thats because they dont have a military, and thats besides the point). We still are the leader of the free world, whether we would like to admit it or not
iamironpenguin 8 months ago
@iamironpenguin No not by a long fucking shot. Illegal wiretaps, wars started without approval of the congress, extraordinary rendition, secret strike in foreign countries the american people doesnt know about, corrupt political system, coporations given a blank check when it comes to political donations, torture, lack of free press etc etc... Get real friendo.
Churchx77 8 months ago
@Churchx77 And the rest of the world does NOT do this? You notice all the riots and fighting and corrupt political systems, again the only person who is in better shape than us is Japan, and they have no power, everyone else is as bad or worse, Mexico has drug wars it's own corrupt political system and gives shit to government, give me a country that has any amount of considerable influence on the world that is better than us, you look at teveryone else, they are just as bad or worse
iamironpenguin 8 months ago
@iamironpenguin Does it do this and call itself a safe haven for liberty and freedom? An exemple for the world to follow? Nope.Riots are more of a cultural thing than anything else. American workers dont riot, shit theyre barely allowed to have unions. And you're talking about influence, Russia has influence over a lot of people in the balkans. China over parts of Africa, doesnt change anything. The world does not look at the US for guidance. It is no leader. Certainly not of the free world.
Churchx77 8 months ago
I think it Historically short-sighted to think this an American problem.
Furthermore, for one who stated in the first video an apathy to party allegiance, you appear pretty fucking Democrat.
Anacortian 8 months ago
@Anacortian I think there's a lot of people who have no allegiance to the Democrats, but see the Republicans as downright insane.
Cutlesnap 8 months ago 2
I agree with your main point, changing one's mind is not a bad thing. It's still annoying to think that someone with such amazingly brilliant and credible insight into the fields of gaming, film, and comics doesn't understand enough economics to realize that the democrats are trying to run this country into the ground financially, while the republicans are, ehhh... being cool with it so long as they can spread their religious, ignorant bullshit. I would've thought you'd get it. no disrespect.
Supertrekkie4 8 months ago
@Supertrekkie4 odd thats just what democrats say about republicans sans the religious stuff.
kitrana 8 months ago
No Bob those are not "flip flops" those are Jandals.
LtBooloo 8 months ago
Kerry wasn't a "flip-flopper " but a strait up panderer. He would tell the people what he thought they wanted to hear. I remember in one of the debates he said he was going to stop the war and pull troops out of Iraq then in the same freaking debate say that he is going to double the number of troops there.
Also being pro life does not mean you are a bible throwing christian. It means they feel the fetus is a human life.
Though I agree with your main point.
nightshade71986 8 months ago 28
If we never changed our mind, we would still be wearing whatever we were when we were young.
A world of bygone fashion...
noseman123 8 months ago
Wow...movie critic, (most of the time) comic book commentator, video game commentator, and now POLITICAL commentator too? This, folks, is what we used to call a "well-rounded individual"
wingdairu 8 months ago
Great new show! You sure have a lot on your plate!
BijiSan 8 months ago
Fuck Mitt Romney he's a statist d-bag, and most politicians are not consistent and change usually go statist when they're elected into office, wouldn't you have liked President Obama to stay consistent to the views when he was Senator Obama and not violate our civil liberties and gotten out of the wars in the middle east, if a politician is not consistent, then how would you know if the person you voted for kept their word or not.
Apptendo 8 months ago
Well said Bob. I completely agree. I was once accused of being a "namby pamby who'ssideareyouon independant" to which I responded "you say that like it's a bad thing."
What a world we live in where the idiot with rock solid morals, correct or not, is considered more of an American than a thoughtful individual who tackles the big issues and bases his conclusions on an inner struggle of self reflection.
The unexamined life is not worth living.
Nodrog666 8 months ago
Damn, no "one hit wonder" for you, you are consistantly on about your politics, and I couldn't agree with you more, for example, I've changed my mind about a lot of things, least of all being political viewpoints. And I'm going to say it flat out, I will change my mind again about everything, its part of being an intelligent human, but then, those seem to be rare in politics anymore
tiggerpete 8 months ago
George Bush bashing in 2011.
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
Vash3OO1 8 months ago
@Vash3OO1
why?
LfunkeyA 8 months ago
@Vash3OO1 He's not bashing on Bush for the sake of bashing on Bush. He's merely bringing him up because he makes a great and relevant example for the topic he's talking about.
myshoescramp 8 months ago 3
Interesting
youngu89 8 months ago
I always thougth the only way to be right about anything is if you change your mind at some point to something that has been demonstrated to you as correct.
I do think there is a real form of flip flopping, and it usually happens on some campaign trail. When they hold different opinions depending on what region they happen to be visiting.
But I totally agree that Mitt is getting screwed over, even if I'd never vote for him.
supafly345 8 months ago
Nice one. Really enjoying the passion this series is bringing out in Bob.
Why is it that when Kerry changed his mind about some things he said 10+ years ago it made him a flip flopper, but when John McCain forsook every one of his moderate principles in a span of just 2 years nobody seemed to notice? He was the reasonable Republican, the one who regularly went on the Daily Show, and then he was a hardline right winger. wtf?
mcsmstudios 8 months ago
@mcsmstudios Ya I remember old McCain...he was actually pretty cool. I remember his visits to the daily show, quite entertaining.
mikethies0 8 months ago
You give me happies.
MateBob 8 months ago
Complaining about these things is unlikely to ever change anything, however it doesn't stop it from being entertaining. Thanks Bob!
solouko 8 months ago
I changed my mind, "AMERICAN BOB" might turn out to be a good series after all, even though you're a leftist.
Anarkokommunist 8 months ago
Hey, you're pretty good at political rants, who knew?
runedermilot 8 months ago
good work. saying what we are all thinking
bryan1freeman 8 months ago
I realy hope more people watch these, it's nice to see actually smart and witty commentary on relevant things. thank you. :)
GamingGamerOfGames 8 months ago
Someone recently said to me that the best people to work in politics are the ones who don't want to.
JuwGirl 8 months ago
this is a great new series and yet another example of how diverse you are in the medium. Great stuff bob, you have my support. Now you don't. Oops, I just flip-flopped. haha.
y2j3r3my 8 months ago
Oh, Bob, you're awesome!
ImJustSkyo 8 months ago
I'm really enjoying tis new series!
Sploog321 8 months ago