"Thud-dead, thud-dead, thud-dead, thud-dead. Sixty-two thud-deads. I call them that, because the sound and the thought of death came to me each time, at the same instant. There was plenty of chance to watch them as they came down... The first ten thud-deads shocked me. I looked up-saw that there were scores of girls at the windows. The flames from the floor below were beating in their faces." William Shepherd.
Can you hear the bodies hitting the ground? Absolutely unbelievable how loud it is considering how far away the camera man is and with all the sirens in the background. What an awful day. RIP.
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Ordinary Office Fires we are told by officials brought down three modern Towers reinforced with steel. So who needs CONTROLLED DEMOLITION if you have a set of matches ?
Also check out T homas S cott G ordon who says the WTC Twin Towers had known corrosion and were earmarked for demolition by 2007.
@blavatsky3 Ordinary Office Fires we are told by officials brought down three modern Towers reinforced with steel. So who needs CONTROLLED DEMOLITION if you have a set of matches ?
Also check out T homas S cott G ordon who says the WTC Twin Towers had known corrosion and were earmarked for demolition by 2007.
woo i have never seen this vid. this is history. this is up close .bon please leave it up. i have to tell friends about this.we thought we saw all of them, i mean news shots -cnn fox nbc ect. great vid, you should have won a noble prize, for risking your life. again THIS IS HISTORY.
I mean, how many cases are there where people jumped because of fire in their appartements etc.? Anyway, to my conclusion:
You were saying they couldn't have jumped only because of smoke. And that they were blown out by bombs instead. Well, it wasn't just smoke, it was hot as hell too (a woman inside the tower called 911 and said it was so hot that there probably was fire). People jumped because of fear/panick. So they weren't necessarily blown out by bombs. Valid point right? [pt 13]
Very valid. At the same time, I believe mine to be just as valid. Now I think you're having a problem with my opinion, simply because you don't believe it was an inside job, thus, no boms in the WTCs. But let's toy with the notion that there were. The way in which the people were holding on or sitting on the ledges, plus a shockwave. They would have fallen.
Happy now? Would you stop being a dick please. I think I've been pretty mature with you thus far and I see your words starting to become more rude. Calm down, ok? Can you cite your source please? I've read a couple articles on it and have yet to see any reports of people jumping out of the six story complex... to their death...
I use the word 'spam' because we are triple/quadro-posting. Stop being a dick? Well how mature of you to say that! Seems to me you are the one that is getting emotional ánd defensive. To be honest, I don't need to convince you and vice versa. I have no problem with accepting (note: not respecting) your opinion. But I do think YOU are an insult to the victims of 9/11.
And why do you keep repeating that I should stop replying? You don't seem to like "opposing views", now do you? [pt 8]
Haha. Compared to some of the things you've said thus far, I feel fine about saying that. Why would I be an insult to the family members? You're saying their family chose death over them. You're pretty much saying their family members were cowards. You are using the same media cop out they've been using for the last 8 years. Sorry though. Doesn't work anymore. It's an insult to accept the official version and it's an insult to call any of them jumpers, espeically when you don't know.
"You're saying their family chose death over them. You're pretty much saying their family members were cowards."
There are choices made by free will, and we have choices made by fear and panick.
Also-again, stop putting words in my mouth. You're the one calling them cowards now. My points didn't suggest that I did call them that. Which is an insult, again... If you want to continue this, please do it via YouTube's PM system, I'm not going to reply to this vid anymore.
Ok. Obviously the first time I asked didn't sink in. May you cite your source please? I've read the articles too and I didn't see one mention of people committing suicide. However, I did read it was a six story apartment complex that was covered in jet fuel. Still. That's beside the point. Your source please.
"You haven't responded to a single thing I've brought up.".
Yeah, and also told you why: "And don't ask me those questions, I'm completely naïve on that matter.".
The only thing I wanted to say was that it wasn't completely against human nature. I didn't start talking to you to discuss these stupid conspiracy points. Don't ask why, just read my last quote. [pt 6]
You're right. We can't rule out that a few people may have decided to jump, but to generalize and say they all committed suicide is an insult to their memory, in my opinion. I think other things were involved. Well then stop talking to me. Really makes no difference to me.
Oh my.. Did you just use that 'suicide' point against me?
Again?
Even after reading that post I refered to?
After understanding what I said?
Alright, it's incredibly obvious that your assumption is complete and utter bullcrap. I'm not going to quote myself over and over again. Please do not use that assumption again, it's completely untrue and it opposses your (stolen) point of putting words in people's mouths. Because you ARE indeed putting words in my mouth. [pt 9]
Most of them feel out accidentally would be my bet. The shock waves from the explosions pushed them out or made them lose their balance on the edge of the window seals. 1:37-1:41. Those sound like explosions to me. Plus at the very start of the sounds people are screaming, everyone in the frame looks up or stops to turn around momentarily and look up at the building. Just my opinion. Seems very plausible to me though.
A relative term like 'odd' musnt't be used when stating a fact. It's just the way you perceive all this. They way you perceive things differs from the way I do and that's why we started arguing. My way of thinking: "It is understandable that they jumped", yours: "It is completely against human nature.". It is likely that I would have jumped, and you wouldn't.
And yeah, I'm glad I'm naïve on this matter, in the sense that I don't know how it was up there. RIP [pt 3]
In your opinion, sure, "odd" must not be used. Not to me though. If you and I are discussing (not arguing) this, you don't need to keep putting RIP. Yes. We both hope they rest in peace. That's a given. Actually, I don't think you would have jumped and I think you're being dishonest with yourself. If you were told that a firefighter was almost there, you would not look down 1000 feet and have the balls to make that jump. That's what I find odd.
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Also it is completely against human nature. Especially in the numbers that people were doing. Opposite sides of the buildings, unable to communicate with each other. The odds that all these people that were separated from each other would all decide to commit suicide when all they were dealing with was smoke. That is not normal human behavior. They were blown out by bombs. Someone told me this last year some time and I never believed it until recently.
um no they jumped because they did not want to go thru the pain of fire or suffocating its not against human nature its just that people dont like pain so i would not say it was suicide
Strange that we didn't see a single person on fire. Or that's right, these people gave up on life after 30 minutes of smoke inhalation. They were told the firefighters were on there way, but they didn't care, they gave up anyways, we have lots of them on the phone being upset, but none of them sound like they're ready to kill themselves. It is against human nature though, people don't kill themselves when help is on the way.
Have you ever heard of something like that? I haven't. It's because humans don't do that. You ever heard a firefighter say something like: Well, we tried to save the person, but by the time we got to them, they had killed themselves.
You don't even know how it feels like to be burned alive - and/or choked to death by the smoke.
Those people could not know they were about to die, they just felt that they were dying (and they were right).
It's completely understandable to jump out of the building. I don't know if it was hope, that made them jump, or just to get away from that choking heat around them.
Why suffer, if you can end it right away?
It's just sad to think that these people had to make this decision.
And you know what it's like? I'm not trying to make light of their situation. It would have sucked. All I'm trying to do is point out the odd human behavior. People don't kill themselves when they think help is on the way. Since help really was on the way. I also find it strange that towards the beginning we see whole offices hanging out of their windows. Towards the end. No one is hanging out of windows. Now why would they do that? Why would they not try to breath better?
What is 'odd' anyway? A plane that comes crashing into your office? We both DON'T know how it feels like to die in this way, so we both DON'T know how we would react in the time we would have left. I'm just saying, it's not that hard to understand why they jumped..
And don't ask me those questions, I'm completely naïve on that matter.
But then again, so are you. And this just validates my point, we don't/can't know what made them do certain things, as we lack experience of dying that way. RIP.
You're right. We don't know how we'd act. To me, they don't look at peace. They look scared, like they're panicking, like they didn't mean to fall. Some of them didn't.
I can hear low level explosions in the videos, usually followed by someone falling. That's not a coincidence. You're right. We don't know. At least we can say that. This is just my opinion. You seem to be speaking of yours as though it is fact though. Calling them jumpers is an insult to their memory if you don't know.
"To me, they don't look at peace. They look scared, like they're panicking, like they didn't mean to fall." Well duh!
Do you think they planned to jump of the same building, at the same time? Of course they "didn't mean to fall". It's why I don't see this as suicide. They were killed. So I'm not calling them jumpers, and therefore it's not an insult (unless you think it still is). Either way, it's just your opinion anyway.[pt 1]
That's a cop out. For you to be calling them jumpers, you are assuming they talked it over in their head, decided that smoke inhalation was more painful than never seeing their loved ones again, and building up the courage to take the leap. That's alot to come to terms with, especially with the stress they must have been dealing with. You sound like you're not too sure what you believe.
You're just not wanting to look at it anymore. It is odd. And I already told you what was odd about it. People do not kill themselves when they know help is on the way. And if you can't explain why people chose to stay closer to the insides, where there was more smoke and heat, before the buildings collapsed, and instead choose to be naive about it, you shouldn't be giving your opinion or calling them jumpers. How insulting.
"you shouldn't be giving your opinion", why? At least I admit I can't explain why they jumped (just saying it's understandable that they did), YOU on the other hand, "seem to be speaking though it's a fact". -> "It IS odd." and my fav. "...blown out by bombs". I didn't even refer to facts in my last post so..?
I asked "What is 'odd anyway?'". You oviously don't quite see the philosophy behind this question. I asked it because we both do not know what it feels like to be in that situation. [pt 2]
I said I'm not sure. I believe the force of explosions could have knocked some of them off the ledges we can see them barely hanging onto. We see people trying to scale the side that fell. Hell, some may have even jumped. You on the other hand are trying to make it sound like every one of them decided to commit suicide. I'm not trying to argue you with you really. It is my opinion that something else was involved. You think it was just suicide. I think that's an insult to their memory.
You clearly did not read my last 3 posts. And you obviously don't understand my point of view either. Now you could choose to read my posts again and hopefully you'll see that your points are invalid.
Woops pressed the wrong button, eh I was trying to say that you shouldn't use relative terms suchs as 'odd' because your points won't be seen as facts. But whatever, you're not reading my posts anyway.
Sir, the word 'odd' does not make something a fact. Actually I think it's quite the opposite. I am reading your posts. I answer all your questions you ask.
"the word 'odd' does not make something a fact.". "I am reading your posts.".
Oke, let's take a look at my last post:
"you shouldn't use relative terms suchs as 'odd' because your points won't be seen as facts."
That's what I was saying! So, you are using my point against your own point. GOOD JOB! You used this word 'odd' to support your claim that it was "against human nature", like it was a fact. [pt 4]
Whoever said I was trying to portray this as a fact? That was you trying to make me out to be that way. Sadly though, for you, I'm not acting that way.
I've already told you that I wasn't saying it was a fact. It is my reasoning for my opinion. This is what you people do though. You put words in our mouths and try to make us seem like crazies. Granted, lots of people that support these claims are a bit over the edge on it, but please, stop being so pompous, stop putting words in my mouth.
This is what us people do? At least I don't label people. And again, stop putting words in MY mouth. I said you claimed something just LIKE a fact, not AS a fact. But alright. First, I'm no 'debunker'. I do not actively seek to debunk conspiracies. Second, the only thing I wanted to say was that I think it's completely understandable that some people jumped. Refer to post 10, 11 and 12. [pt 14]
PS: Boy, you're excited, getting an instant reply here..
Well stop responding then, but I have been. You haven't responded to a single thing I've brought up. So really? Who's been reading and who's been ignoring? My points are not invalid. And why shoudl they be? You haven't even attempted to respond to a single one of them yet. Stop trying to make me out to be someone I'm not. I don't think these are facts, I'm not being arrogant. But I think I'm making a case for my point of view, all you've been doing is saying they were jumpers and RIP. Good job.
"You think it was just suicide." and "all you've been doing is saying they were jumpers".
What the.. I wrote one damn post to invalidate your 'assumption'. This assumption (point you made) is false/invalid. Want to know why? Please, refer to my post (pt 1) before you're going to throw that 'assumption' in my face again.
Also, I'm not going to stop responding, just because you're not able to understand my points. [pt 5]
Well that's your opinion. And I respect it. However I don't agree. Stop being so defensive. Just stop replying if you're going to get all emotional through typing and text. You make good points, but I think I do too. Do you have a problem with opposing views? It's apparent you do. I just find it rude you keep responding to the posts and you fail to give your opinion on why they jumped from smoke inhalation, the explosions sounds in the background and people falling right after them.
Well, I haven't seen one good point you made regarding the "human nature" assumption (which is the topic we are discussing now). After googling the Bijlmer crash, I found that there were more cases of people jumping after panicking. And you know what, not even because of fire (or bombs for that matter). No, because of the police! This might sound strange to you, as it has nothing to do with 9/11, but we are on talking about the human nature, aren't we? See next post for quotes. [pt 10]
(PM for offical Dutch quotes/source): "People were panicking and jumped down from the balcony." which referes to the Bijlmer crash, where people were trapped in their rooms and the only way to avoid that burning hell was by jumping.
And I think the same building (2009); "It's not the first time that people jump out of their appartements during a police raid." which clearly says: it's not uncommon! And this is just Amsterdam, which is way smaller than NY, let alone the US. [pt 11]
I'm sure you've seen a photo of the building, and do you think you would have a reasonable chance of surviving a fall from that height? Well of course you can survive (people did). I wouldn't do it under normal circumstances.
But, you know what's stupid? One of those dudes that ran from the cops jumped and died, just because of panicking. Now is that against human nature or is (actually, was) he living proof that you're wrong about that? [pt 12]
And no. The points are not invalid simply because you say so or don't agree. I'm sorry did you give a better reason in the posts I didn't read as to why my points are invalid and could not possibly be true? Didn't think so.
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That is not true. They were dealing with smoke. Not fire.The WTCs were designed to not allow fires from spreading upwards. That's why neither tower ever continued to become engulfed in flames. They just contained their fires on the floors where the plane impacted and may have severed this design to prevent the upward spread of fire.
Everyone keeps talking about the building falling at freefall speed. The people jumping from the bldg took only 7 seconds to fall. The building took over 15 seconds.
I know that a conspiracy theory sounds so outrageous, but how can you not be suspect of all the occurances of that morning? How could these buildings be strong enough to support the upper floors for 40 years and then suddenly give way? If the structure affected by the impact and fire did fail, then the upper floors should have slowly and un-evenly settled unto the remaining structure below, not plummet at free-fall speed to the ground.
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Inside job everyone knows that twin towers would never have fallen without bombs in it. i suggest you at least watch loose change and checkout the pentagon when it was first hit, if that was a commercial airliner it mustve been for midgets!! also why cant the crappy US gov rebuild the twin towers... because that defeats the purpose of blowin them up and getting some prime NYC land to do whatever they want on! freedom tower is so gay looks like a plan hit it already! wake up Americans US gov=Evil
yeah and i suppose you helped the gov't plant the bombs you fucking reject can't you just let the people r.i.p. i live in nyc and it was horrifying to see. I saw the planes hit they did damage to the structure and brought it down. Its funny what a plane can do once it hits at 600 mph look into the portion of the pentagon that collapsed and thats only 70 feet tall you CT also forgot to mention that one
i live in lower manhattan. as i watched this, there were multiple sirens going by my building just now (as is typical here in the city) - but extremely eerie since sirens were in the film at the same time. ugh.
The suicide attempts were so distressing.
HDMortz 3 months ago
i cant bring myself to watch at 4:29.. I feel like I will be scarred forever..
cheeseypicklesx31 6 months ago
Yeah I agree, hell was going on inside of the buildings and they wanted to choose their own destiny, Very brave of them.
TheRickyCaldwell 9 months ago
"Thud-dead, thud-dead, thud-dead, thud-dead. Sixty-two thud-deads. I call them that, because the sound and the thought of death came to me each time, at the same instant. There was plenty of chance to watch them as they came down... The first ten thud-deads shocked me. I looked up-saw that there were scores of girls at the windows. The flames from the floor below were beating in their faces." William Shepherd.
Rickyrab 1 year ago
@Rickyrab
Well, that was a different tragedy, already some ninety years gone by the time of 9/11, but the words still ring true for 9/11.
Rickyrab 1 year ago
At 1:15 you can see a guy jump
devillif311 1 year ago
Can you hear the bodies hitting the ground? Absolutely unbelievable how loud it is considering how far away the camera man is and with all the sirens in the background. What an awful day. RIP.
SlamJaw 1 year ago
They speculate over 200 people jumped, most from South Tower (based on eyewitness views)
CiG801 1 year ago
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momo01sang 1 year ago
9 years ago man. this is crazy. i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing.
Dancrof80s 1 year ago 2
am i the only one who miss sound?
ThirdClick 1 year ago
What's that blemish at 3:41?
krayzeejojo 1 year ago
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Ordinary Office Fires we are told by officials brought down three modern Towers reinforced with steel. So who needs CONTROLLED DEMOLITION if you have a set of matches ?
Also check out T homas S cott G ordon who says the WTC Twin Towers had known corrosion and were earmarked for demolition by 2007.
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blavatsky3 1 year ago
@blavatsky3 I like this person
blavatsky3 1 year ago
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@blavatsky3 Ordinary Office Fires we are told by officials brought down three modern Towers reinforced with steel. So who needs CONTROLLED DEMOLITION if you have a set of matches ?
Also check out T homas S cott G ordon who says the WTC Twin Towers had known corrosion and were earmarked for demolition by 2007.
w w w do t 9 11 oz d ot c om search Thomas Gordon
blavatsky3 1 year ago
@blavatsky3 Please unflag this thread and vote it up
blavatsky3 1 year ago
Hell id jump.........
Geojaguar 1 year ago
amateuer videos of disasters are best, cause news are always propaganda
misteraxl1 2 years ago
woo i have never seen this vid. this is history. this is up close .bon please leave it up. i have to tell friends about this.we thought we saw all of them, i mean news shots -cnn fox nbc ect. great vid, you should have won a noble prize, for risking your life. again THIS IS HISTORY.
peteboy1113 2 years ago
4:29 to 4:30 i hear sound of impact that jumper!
R.I.P. to all 9/11 victims.
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it is so scary when you can see them jump !! RIP !!
vetlanda2 2 years ago
I mean, how many cases are there where people jumped because of fire in their appartements etc.? Anyway, to my conclusion:
You were saying they couldn't have jumped only because of smoke. And that they were blown out by bombs instead. Well, it wasn't just smoke, it was hot as hell too (a woman inside the tower called 911 and said it was so hot that there probably was fire). People jumped because of fear/panick. So they weren't necessarily blown out by bombs. Valid point right? [pt 13]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Very valid. At the same time, I believe mine to be just as valid. Now I think you're having a problem with my opinion, simply because you don't believe it was an inside job, thus, no boms in the WTCs. But let's toy with the notion that there were. The way in which the people were holding on or sitting on the ledges, plus a shockwave. They would have fallen.
bweazel 2 years ago
Now, let's discuss the matter of "human nature". I will quote you once again.
"Have you ever heard of something like that? I haven't. It's because humans don't do that.".
Oh I have heard about it. Amsterdam, 1992; a b747 cargo plane crashed into flats and people jumped out of the flats to certain death....
Happy now? [pt 7]
Sorry for spamming bonavada..
Kikopuz 2 years ago
You call this spam? How sad.
Happy now? Would you stop being a dick please. I think I've been pretty mature with you thus far and I see your words starting to become more rude. Calm down, ok? Can you cite your source please? I've read a couple articles on it and have yet to see any reports of people jumping out of the six story complex... to their death...
bweazel 2 years ago
I use the word 'spam' because we are triple/quadro-posting. Stop being a dick? Well how mature of you to say that! Seems to me you are the one that is getting emotional ánd defensive. To be honest, I don't need to convince you and vice versa. I have no problem with accepting (note: not respecting) your opinion. But I do think YOU are an insult to the victims of 9/11.
And why do you keep repeating that I should stop replying? You don't seem to like "opposing views", now do you? [pt 8]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Haha. Compared to some of the things you've said thus far, I feel fine about saying that. Why would I be an insult to the family members? You're saying their family chose death over them. You're pretty much saying their family members were cowards. You are using the same media cop out they've been using for the last 8 years. Sorry though. Doesn't work anymore. It's an insult to accept the official version and it's an insult to call any of them jumpers, espeically when you don't know.
bweazel 2 years ago
"You're saying their family chose death over them. You're pretty much saying their family members were cowards."
There are choices made by free will, and we have choices made by fear and panick.
Also-again, stop putting words in my mouth. You're the one calling them cowards now. My points didn't suggest that I did call them that. Which is an insult, again... If you want to continue this, please do it via YouTube's PM system, I'm not going to reply to this vid anymore.
Have a good day!
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Ahhh. We're both taking our turns calling them cowards. You as well!
bweazel 2 years ago
Ok. Obviously the first time I asked didn't sink in. May you cite your source please? I've read the articles too and I didn't see one mention of people committing suicide. However, I did read it was a six story apartment complex that was covered in jet fuel. Still. That's beside the point. Your source please.
bweazel 2 years ago
"You haven't responded to a single thing I've brought up.".
Yeah, and also told you why: "And don't ask me those questions, I'm completely naïve on that matter.".
The only thing I wanted to say was that it wasn't completely against human nature. I didn't start talking to you to discuss these stupid conspiracy points. Don't ask why, just read my last quote. [pt 6]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
You're right. We can't rule out that a few people may have decided to jump, but to generalize and say they all committed suicide is an insult to their memory, in my opinion. I think other things were involved. Well then stop talking to me. Really makes no difference to me.
bweazel 2 years ago
Oh my.. Did you just use that 'suicide' point against me?
Again?
Even after reading that post I refered to?
After understanding what I said?
Alright, it's incredibly obvious that your assumption is complete and utter bullcrap. I'm not going to quote myself over and over again. Please do not use that assumption again, it's completely untrue and it opposses your (stolen) point of putting words in people's mouths. Because you ARE indeed putting words in my mouth. [pt 9]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Oh christ. Are you STILL posting? Get over it man. We disagree. Shoo. I swear to god, it's like arguing with a woman.
bweazel 2 years ago
Well, "Stop replying then.." =)
I can't help it that women are better in arguing =)
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Psshhh. You wish. : P
bweazel 2 years ago
omg...u can hear a body hit the ground at 5:14
filthynumber1 2 years ago
Most of them feel out accidentally would be my bet. The shock waves from the explosions pushed them out or made them lose their balance on the edge of the window seals. 1:37-1:41. Those sound like explosions to me. Plus at the very start of the sounds people are screaming, everyone in the frame looks up or stops to turn around momentarily and look up at the building. Just my opinion. Seems very plausible to me though.
bweazel 2 years ago
A relative term like 'odd' musnt't be used when stating a fact. It's just the way you perceive all this. They way you perceive things differs from the way I do and that's why we started arguing. My way of thinking: "It is understandable that they jumped", yours: "It is completely against human nature.". It is likely that I would have jumped, and you wouldn't.
And yeah, I'm glad I'm naïve on this matter, in the sense that I don't know how it was up there. RIP [pt 3]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
In your opinion, sure, "odd" must not be used. Not to me though. If you and I are discussing (not arguing) this, you don't need to keep putting RIP. Yes. We both hope they rest in peace. That's a given. Actually, I don't think you would have jumped and I think you're being dishonest with yourself. If you were told that a firefighter was almost there, you would not look down 1000 feet and have the balls to make that jump. That's what I find odd.
Do you not here the explosions?
bweazel 2 years ago
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Also it is completely against human nature. Especially in the numbers that people were doing. Opposite sides of the buildings, unable to communicate with each other. The odds that all these people that were separated from each other would all decide to commit suicide when all they were dealing with was smoke. That is not normal human behavior. They were blown out by bombs. Someone told me this last year some time and I never believed it until recently.
bweazel 2 years ago
um no they jumped because they did not want to go thru the pain of fire or suffocating its not against human nature its just that people dont like pain so i would not say it was suicide
austinfrombustop 2 years ago 2
Strange that we didn't see a single person on fire. Or that's right, these people gave up on life after 30 minutes of smoke inhalation. They were told the firefighters were on there way, but they didn't care, they gave up anyways, we have lots of them on the phone being upset, but none of them sound like they're ready to kill themselves. It is against human nature though, people don't kill themselves when help is on the way.
bweazel 2 years ago
whatever you dont know what your talking about
austinfrombustop 2 years ago 2
Have you ever heard of something like that? I haven't. It's because humans don't do that. You ever heard a firefighter say something like: Well, we tried to save the person, but by the time we got to them, they had killed themselves.
bweazel 2 years ago
You don't even know how it feels like to be burned alive - and/or choked to death by the smoke.
Those people could not know they were about to die, they just felt that they were dying (and they were right).
It's completely understandable to jump out of the building. I don't know if it was hope, that made them jump, or just to get away from that choking heat around them.
Why suffer, if you can end it right away?
It's just sad to think that these people had to make this decision.
Rest in peace.
Kikopuz 2 years ago
And you know what it's like? I'm not trying to make light of their situation. It would have sucked. All I'm trying to do is point out the odd human behavior. People don't kill themselves when they think help is on the way. Since help really was on the way. I also find it strange that towards the beginning we see whole offices hanging out of their windows. Towards the end. No one is hanging out of windows. Now why would they do that? Why would they not try to breath better?
bweazel 2 years ago
What is 'odd' anyway? A plane that comes crashing into your office? We both DON'T know how it feels like to die in this way, so we both DON'T know how we would react in the time we would have left. I'm just saying, it's not that hard to understand why they jumped..
And don't ask me those questions, I'm completely naïve on that matter.
But then again, so are you. And this just validates my point, we don't/can't know what made them do certain things, as we lack experience of dying that way. RIP.
Kikopuz 2 years ago 2
You're right. We don't know how we'd act. To me, they don't look at peace. They look scared, like they're panicking, like they didn't mean to fall. Some of them didn't.
I can hear low level explosions in the videos, usually followed by someone falling. That's not a coincidence. You're right. We don't know. At least we can say that. This is just my opinion. You seem to be speaking of yours as though it is fact though. Calling them jumpers is an insult to their memory if you don't know.
bweazel 2 years ago
"To me, they don't look at peace. They look scared, like they're panicking, like they didn't mean to fall." Well duh!
Do you think they planned to jump of the same building, at the same time? Of course they "didn't mean to fall". It's why I don't see this as suicide. They were killed. So I'm not calling them jumpers, and therefore it's not an insult (unless you think it still is). Either way, it's just your opinion anyway.[pt 1]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
That's a cop out. For you to be calling them jumpers, you are assuming they talked it over in their head, decided that smoke inhalation was more painful than never seeing their loved ones again, and building up the courage to take the leap. That's alot to come to terms with, especially with the stress they must have been dealing with. You sound like you're not too sure what you believe.
bweazel 2 years ago
You're just not wanting to look at it anymore. It is odd. And I already told you what was odd about it. People do not kill themselves when they know help is on the way. And if you can't explain why people chose to stay closer to the insides, where there was more smoke and heat, before the buildings collapsed, and instead choose to be naive about it, you shouldn't be giving your opinion or calling them jumpers. How insulting.
bweazel 2 years ago
"you shouldn't be giving your opinion", why? At least I admit I can't explain why they jumped (just saying it's understandable that they did), YOU on the other hand, "seem to be speaking though it's a fact". -> "It IS odd." and my fav. "...blown out by bombs". I didn't even refer to facts in my last post so..?
I asked "What is 'odd anyway?'". You oviously don't quite see the philosophy behind this question. I asked it because we both do not know what it feels like to be in that situation. [pt 2]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
I said I'm not sure. I believe the force of explosions could have knocked some of them off the ledges we can see them barely hanging onto. We see people trying to scale the side that fell. Hell, some may have even jumped. You on the other hand are trying to make it sound like every one of them decided to commit suicide. I'm not trying to argue you with you really. It is my opinion that something else was involved. You think it was just suicide. I think that's an insult to their memory.
bweazel 2 years ago
You clearly did not read my last 3 posts. And you obviously don't understand my point of view either. Now you could choose to read my posts again and hopefully you'll see that your points are invalid.
And using relative terms in facts w
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Woops pressed the wrong button, eh I was trying to say that you shouldn't use relative terms suchs as 'odd' because your points won't be seen as facts. But whatever, you're not reading my posts anyway.
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Sir, the word 'odd' does not make something a fact. Actually I think it's quite the opposite. I am reading your posts. I answer all your questions you ask.
bweazel 2 years ago
"the word 'odd' does not make something a fact.". "I am reading your posts.".
Oke, let's take a look at my last post:
"you shouldn't use relative terms suchs as 'odd' because your points won't be seen as facts."
That's what I was saying! So, you are using my point against your own point. GOOD JOB! You used this word 'odd' to support your claim that it was "against human nature", like it was a fact. [pt 4]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Whoever said I was trying to portray this as a fact? That was you trying to make me out to be that way. Sadly though, for you, I'm not acting that way.
I've already told you that I wasn't saying it was a fact. It is my reasoning for my opinion. This is what you people do though. You put words in our mouths and try to make us seem like crazies. Granted, lots of people that support these claims are a bit over the edge on it, but please, stop being so pompous, stop putting words in my mouth.
bweazel 2 years ago
This is what us people do? At least I don't label people. And again, stop putting words in MY mouth. I said you claimed something just LIKE a fact, not AS a fact. But alright. First, I'm no 'debunker'. I do not actively seek to debunk conspiracies. Second, the only thing I wanted to say was that I think it's completely understandable that some people jumped. Refer to post 10, 11 and 12. [pt 14]
PS: Boy, you're excited, getting an instant reply here..
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Haha. It's right at that time of morning when I'm sitting at my desk waiting for the coffee to wake me up. I apologize for the label.
bweazel 2 years ago
Well stop responding then, but I have been. You haven't responded to a single thing I've brought up. So really? Who's been reading and who's been ignoring? My points are not invalid. And why shoudl they be? You haven't even attempted to respond to a single one of them yet. Stop trying to make me out to be someone I'm not. I don't think these are facts, I'm not being arrogant. But I think I'm making a case for my point of view, all you've been doing is saying they were jumpers and RIP. Good job.
bweazel 2 years ago
"You think it was just suicide." and "all you've been doing is saying they were jumpers".
What the.. I wrote one damn post to invalidate your 'assumption'. This assumption (point you made) is false/invalid. Want to know why? Please, refer to my post (pt 1) before you're going to throw that 'assumption' in my face again.
Also, I'm not going to stop responding, just because you're not able to understand my points. [pt 5]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
Well that's your opinion. And I respect it. However I don't agree. Stop being so defensive. Just stop replying if you're going to get all emotional through typing and text. You make good points, but I think I do too. Do you have a problem with opposing views? It's apparent you do. I just find it rude you keep responding to the posts and you fail to give your opinion on why they jumped from smoke inhalation, the explosions sounds in the background and people falling right after them.
bweazel 2 years ago
Well, I haven't seen one good point you made regarding the "human nature" assumption (which is the topic we are discussing now). After googling the Bijlmer crash, I found that there were more cases of people jumping after panicking. And you know what, not even because of fire (or bombs for that matter). No, because of the police! This might sound strange to you, as it has nothing to do with 9/11, but we are on talking about the human nature, aren't we? See next post for quotes. [pt 10]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
(PM for offical Dutch quotes/source): "People were panicking and jumped down from the balcony." which referes to the Bijlmer crash, where people were trapped in their rooms and the only way to avoid that burning hell was by jumping.
And I think the same building (2009); "It's not the first time that people jump out of their appartements during a police raid." which clearly says: it's not uncommon! And this is just Amsterdam, which is way smaller than NY, let alone the US. [pt 11]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
I'm sure you've seen a photo of the building, and do you think you would have a reasonable chance of surviving a fall from that height? Well of course you can survive (people did). I wouldn't do it under normal circumstances.
But, you know what's stupid? One of those dudes that ran from the cops jumped and died, just because of panicking. Now is that against human nature or is (actually, was) he living proof that you're wrong about that? [pt 12]
Kikopuz 2 years ago
And no. The points are not invalid simply because you say so or don't agree. I'm sorry did you give a better reason in the posts I didn't read as to why my points are invalid and could not possibly be true? Didn't think so.
bweazel 2 years ago
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That is not true. They were dealing with smoke. Not fire.The WTCs were designed to not allow fires from spreading upwards. That's why neither tower ever continued to become engulfed in flames. They just contained their fires on the floors where the plane impacted and may have severed this design to prevent the upward spread of fire.
bweazel 2 years ago
this is sad :'/
flareon4 2 years ago
Everyone keeps talking about the building falling at freefall speed. The people jumping from the bldg took only 7 seconds to fall. The building took over 15 seconds.
byte01010101me 3 years ago 2
I know that a conspiracy theory sounds so outrageous, but how can you not be suspect of all the occurances of that morning? How could these buildings be strong enough to support the upper floors for 40 years and then suddenly give way? If the structure affected by the impact and fire did fail, then the upper floors should have slowly and un-evenly settled unto the remaining structure below, not plummet at free-fall speed to the ground.
thevintagehifi 3 years ago
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Inside job everyone knows that twin towers would never have fallen without bombs in it. i suggest you at least watch loose change and checkout the pentagon when it was first hit, if that was a commercial airliner it mustve been for midgets!! also why cant the crappy US gov rebuild the twin towers... because that defeats the purpose of blowin them up and getting some prime NYC land to do whatever they want on! freedom tower is so gay looks like a plan hit it already! wake up Americans US gov=Evil
bjm351 3 years ago
did you see part 2 of this coverage? about halfway through part two you see a manhattan demolition truck pass by.
6ADAM6BAUM6 2 years ago
it is so sad ): 5:33
movieman22685845 3 years ago
were thoes people jumping off at 3:37 ??
bloodgoth345 3 years ago
yeah and i suppose you helped the gov't plant the bombs you fucking reject can't you just let the people r.i.p. i live in nyc and it was horrifying to see. I saw the planes hit they did damage to the structure and brought it down. Its funny what a plane can do once it hits at 600 mph look into the portion of the pentagon that collapsed and thats only 70 feet tall you CT also forgot to mention that one
godzilla1234567890 3 years ago
and you saw this happen?
Smacked980 3 years ago
Filmed from the corner of Barclay and W. Broadway--one block from the complex...it's amazing they let the photographer get that close.
bryson217 3 years ago
i live in lower manhattan. as i watched this, there were multiple sirens going by my building just now (as is typical here in the city) - but extremely eerie since sirens were in the film at the same time. ugh.
heatherleaves 3 years ago
LORD JESUS!!! Absolutely heart wrenching to watch.
DX1011985 3 years ago
the sounds of those bodies hitting the asphalt are horrible... shit is fuked up man
filthynumber1 4 years ago 2
people jumping.... heavy scenes
felipetar 4 years ago 3
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yeah in ur dreams asshole maybe u bombed the wtc
godzilla1234567890 4 years ago
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Yes I did too!!
Moriysz 4 years ago
Fucking hell! Poor people!!!
Whinestee 4 years ago
It was pre collapse explosion like a warning to get out.
busterfairway 4 years ago
right around the 5:15 timestamp, what is the "boom" in the background?
BronyaCovooper 4 years ago
I think it's people hitting the ground.
densor05390 4 years ago 2