Your other videos are good, this video is not. You of all people should know that situations mold everyone into the people they are, acting like good deeds get you something puts hard working assholes in heaven and is unfair to people that have been put in horrible situations by neglect. Now I don't believe in anything but this video isn't going to convince christians. However I give you alot of credit on your other vids. k bye.
@apolllos7 I am a determinist, so I do agree with what you're saying, but really when you apply determinism to human psychology, it very quickly smothers the discussion. To have discussions like this (without having to litigate free will), I kind of have to play in their sandbox and at least argue from the standpoint that people choose who they are. Nothing I say is going to convince people who've made up their minds; my vids are for people who still seek truth. Thanks for the comment.
when you repent you must prove you have changed you ways through good deeds,the prayer on your death bed may not work considering this.
jesus is the only way to heaven but that is him knowing you and not by being gifted in the wisdom of him. sin is : your a fish in a fish tank that has been soiled with dirt or poop we are all dirty sinners and it can kill you (hell) but god can remove you from your tank and place you in a clay pot this means he can remove hate or lust from your body. be cleen=)
why did i clik this only to hear bible thumping i wanted devildriver whoever made this fuck yu gimmee back my spent wasted time that i lost on this you asshole!!
@paintman2580 Some people anthropomorphize natural forces that they don't understand and call it "God". Some religious leaders speak of "God's" desires when in fact they're speaking of their own desires, using "God" as a means of legitimizing them and giving themselves permission to act on those desires.
Describing the Christian concept of grace like a "get out of jail free" card is absurd. Salvation begins with regeneration and justification, and is followed by a long life of sanctification through which one "improves" through the power of the Holy Spirit. Hypothetically, someone can get "saved" five minutes before they die.... God does what God wants. But "grace" is hardly a two-minute prayer and then a wild life of comfortable abandonment.
@VtLute, I think it is hard to make that assertion, considering that the amount of money donated varies from church to church. Benny Hinn, for instance makes much more money than is required to maintain any building (which I'm not entirely sure that he actually owns). Either way, I don't but that 90% number, certainly not in all cases.
@soulkiss1001 Or you coul donate to an organisation that gives all of its money to its causes. STFU asshole, and stop trying to toss off the evils of your religion.
@PalulukanMakto god asks us to be a cheerful giver.greedy people will get bored of their overabundance.gods people are kind and considerate.satan is the accuser of the brethren..only jesus is perfectly religious everyone else is born with the taint of adam and eves sin and the closer they draw to the orthodox jesus the more truly religious helping the poor they will be.satan wand his followers will burn in hell eternally change your mind or eat as much ice as you can while you can
@soulkiss1001 If god punishes the greedy people, they why am I worse off than you? You're the one who wants eternal bliss and fluffy clouds and light blah blah blah. I'm fine with giving up most of my income to chartiy (thats about 90%, asshole) and getting to die and have the lights out. Thats enough for me (not that it owould matter if I wanted more, thats what we have to look forward too... that's reality). I've got a computer and a house and a Wii andfood - I feel god giving. No need formore
@PalulukanMakto greedy people punish themselves not yieding to the boundries god sets so that people can have as much joy grace mercy faith hope and love as they can,what are you typing 90 percent about everything belongs to god you are just a steward of his money.log on to equip.org scroll down to search type in your doubts let hank hanagraaff answer your doubts
@soulkiss1001 1. If you donate to a Christian Charity group, you arent doing as much good as donating to a non-reigiious charity group. Non-religious charity groups give to the needy, and dont pay churches or bishops (WHO RAPE CHILDREN AND START WARS AND TRY TO BAN CONTACEPRIVES).
2. GOD DOESNT EXIST.
3. Amessage to ppl that tell other to go ask x prson or site about what they believe: YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL IF YOU ASK PEOPLE WHAT TO BELIEVE INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICES.
@binaryspider binary why dont you donate to compassion international to feed the poor instead of putting down souls trying to do good.......please log on to equip.org search pride
@soulkiss1001 >I guarantee you Binary donates to charitable organisations.< Fun fact: atheists generally donate more of their income to charity and do more charitable things (or at least without bias) than Christians. The Islamic equivalent to the Ten Commandents has CHARITY as one things you MUST do to be considered a follower of their god. It's in the top five important things for Muslims to do. It's not even in the top 50 for Christians. Problem? (Continued on next page)
@soulkiss1001 (Contnued again) Time/money donated out of orders (parental rules and/or court orders) don't count. Only time and money you have donated out of your own kindness.
@novabtpack Your church feeds the hungry, and makes it's higher-ups rich (and dont forget the inquisition, the crusades, and WWII). It's like BP spilling oil, killing billions of organisms, and destroying thousands of jobs and livelihoods, and then says "oh, I'm sorry. Here's some money and a report showing that we know exactly how much damage we've done."
Both Churches and BP still profit after apologising. (BP lied in its report, then drove up gas prices and is making record profits. )
Hos 6:6 It is a thing to realise that God wished to have sacrifice, as much as a mass symbolism, as a salvation requisite-Israel being a nation of close to a million-plus people. (No. of women and children unknown.)
There is a lot more important background I have to tell you, that you seem to conveniently have left out.
I don't think you r rite! Of course personal opinions do NOT matter. ALL that matters is where the truth lies in reality! Besides the semantics of it... I aver against your idea of SACRIFICE.
I'm a doctor from India and its fascinating to see a philosopher-doctor in the dens of youtube! I wish I could pluck up the courage to call myself a philosopher...Heh!
Amputation does not go away as well, doesn't it? You need treatment to attach it back again.
While it's true that man-made gods are moved by "good deeds", try that in a court when you've broken the law. It's the same with God, you're sinned, justice must be done. "Good people" aren't blameless.
You see, only Christianity gives a logical explanation of sin and justification. Sin is not karma.
Jewish rituals didn't took away sins. They merely foreshadowed Christ, the real Savior. It didn't evolve.
Also,about the aliens,yes scientist have FAITH but DO NOT say it is fact.They also do not shove it down people's throats, they claim you will suffer eternal torment for not believing,nor flaunt this faith in other people's faces.Biblical religions claim there is without proof,and shove it down other ppl's throats, using hell as a fear factor in attempts to get people to convert. Another thing they do is cause war over belief in this God,I've yet to see a war caused do to the belief in aliens.
Illculture Ppl have been oppressed(Galileo 4 examp), cultures destroyed(Maya,Aztec,pagan)bcuz wat they were,believed, even discovered posed a threat 2 the church.Compare all the good against the MASSIVE injustices biblie religion caused & r still causing,ur argument falls flat. I Suggiest looking into Our current pope & Christian history, you might learn something.
You show me another planet that just by chance sprouted intelligent life then you can speak of facts and truths. Anything less is equal to all the insults thrown to that validity of The Bible and Creation.
So... can no one ever discuss facts and truths until I find another planet that has intelligent life on it? That's a very silly argument. Science supports that the Earth and the planets formed through natural means - no God needed. Science supports evolution - no God needed. In fact, the only time a God is required is when one takes the myths in the bible and interprets them as real. Otherwise, God isn't necessary.
So you support this idea that this zillion and one chance, a nearly impossible chance that earth happened to come about by chance. And which group of scientist do you follow, cause like churches there are many "theories" about how this all came about. So which Lucky theory science church denomination do you belong to. Are you a planetesimalist, a tidalist, or a member of the Nebular hypothesis....whahahahaha
Okay, first off, I did not say anything about chance. The Earth and life formed because of gravity and natural forces; not chance. Secondly, you have no idea what scientific theories are, I suggest looking up the difference between a common theory and a scientific theory for clarification. Lastly, no matter how unlikely it may be, it is wrong to assume that our existence necessitates God. We can be lucky without blood thirsty sky wizards to thank.
So the probability that there is a God is baseless and stupid because I have no "proof" but the probability of life on other planets is alive and well despite equal lack of proof? Hypocritical.
I'm not *claiming* there is intelligent life on other planets, and even if I went that far I wouldn't pretend to know anything about them, or make any lofty metaphysical claims based upon that claim.
You however don't, I assume, stop at saying "there is a god" you also seem to think you have special knowledge about its nature.
There is zero evidence or even reason to suppose that a god exists, let alone grounds for claims about its nature.
Additionally, there is good statistical reasoning to lead one to suppose that in all probability there is some form of intelligent life out there in the universe.
If you consider the sheer billions of galaxies, each one with untold billions of stars, each potentially harbouring potentially several planets.
Then consider the incredibly wide array of environments we already know life can survive in. Even if the chance of intelligent life is TINY, there will be a great many number examples of it.
I still don't quite understand how this pertains to what I was saying. God does not need to test anything because he already has all the answers so testing things for the purpose of seeing how they turn out or what the outcome is, is pointless under those circumstances. Besides your analogy is flawed. A parent knows that it's child will one day day but it knows not what its future holds in between those two events (birth and death) as with God. The Biblical God allows the birth of (continued)
people knowing that they will not achieve his ideas of perfection and will suffer eternally in hell before they even reach the starting gate. How many parents do you know would allow a child to be conceived if they knew its fate was eternal torture? How does this equate with the actions of a loving parent? Isn't that more of an apathetic standpoint than anything even close to love? Sorry for the rambling.
Unless you are prepared to assert that a person can atone for their sins through their good deeds, or that Christ does not offer forgiveness for your sins then I don't see how you are disagreeing with me. I didn't say that the acceptance of Jesus could be superficial, but that no matter what horrible crimes you've done, you can get into heaven by accepting him. A serial child rapist can get into heaven by truly accepting Jesus, but if his victims do not accept Jesus, they will go to hell.
I at no time said that reality had everything going for it. So you admit that reality isnt good enough for you, thanks for admitting that. My life is not hopeless, Im thankful that I got a chance to see and try and understand the universe. Im alive now and Im free, Im free from the repression of religion and its false hope, Im free from ignorance and the false comfort it gives. Im man enough to stand up and face reality, and I love it. Youll die an ignorant coward...
Ignorance? Let me put something out there. I heard your mocking description of God. Let me explain something i think isfunny. Believing that we were just that lucky. That the odds of an earth being perfectly placed in the inhabitable zone of a sun, with the perfect mixture of gasses in our atmosphere, that all the perfect mutations that needed to happen happened all like clockwork, happened by accident. Not something that was designed, just one lucky roll after another. Now that's real faith
Your one of those Christians that never read the Bible, you know nothing about science and religion just feels comfortable, it fits your non-thinking ways. That is ignorance! When the conditions are just right, things happen in nature, its not because of chance, accident or faith. Evolution is a fact, humans are descended from a common ancestor of the great apes. There was no original sin and therefore there is no need for a Jesus to save us.
Im talking about simply the possibility of this happening. Give me another example of this phenomenon of earth anywhere else in the galaxy. And If life forms conform to their environment, why arent there life forms on..lets say mars or jupiter that simply evolved to the conditions around it. Creatures that can take a 200 degree day and 200 degree night? Why doesn't that exist? Science is all about being able to conduct an experiment. And without another planet like earth, its just a theory
Tell you what. You type the following in a reply to me: "If we discover life anywhere else but on our own planet, that will disprove God." Type that out and then we can discuss the importance/relevance of life on other planets. You are in part saying that since we only know of life on our planet, that proves God - so does that mean that life elsewhere will disprove God? If not, then why does life only here PROVE anything?
If that's what you think that I am saying then you are very wrong. I don't base my belief in God on the lack of life on other planets. What Im giving you is an example of how science contradicts itself while simultaneously condemning Faith. Scientist have Faith that there are life on other planets with NO PROOF, just the statistics that such a thing MAY be possible. To believe this, but in the same breath say that God is irrelevant because of lack of Scientific Proof/process is Hypocritical.
Oh, I see. So, you are essentially saying that if you believe in something without proof, it is hypocritical to denounce someone else for doing the same thing. This is a valid point. However, I don't think that life on other planets is the same as belief in a sky wizard. Anyone who believes something without evidence should admit that they have no proof. Ask me for proof of alien life, and I will admit that I don't have any. Now, what happens if I ask you for proof of God?
We are comparing apples and SUV's. You use the Scientific process to understand science. I use faith and spirituality to undersand religion. They work with each other because they are tailor made for each other. To try to prove science to me with the Spritual process would work. For me to to explain religion (fully) through the scientific process would never work. Beause Essentially religion knows no boundaries: science is all about boundaries, unless a particuar theory is being explained
We use science to create things. Spirituality creates nothing. There is no useful information that has been gained through religion; no inventions, no discoveries, nothing. If you want proof that Science works, look around you. Show me something that was created from prayer. I know that you have strong feelings about your spirituality, but feelings can often times be wrong. Remember, there are people who have strongly believe the opposite of what you do. How would you argue against them?
???Wow someone needs to put the science book down and pick up a history book. Understand that religion has has been the most influencial force on human events. From the way we view human interaction. Entire empires, breakthroughs in engineering building pyrimids etc have all been pioneered in the name of Religion.
Oh, I don't dispute that religion has been a huge factor in our history, and that you can point to a lot of things created for and by religious people. But, look closely at what you said "in the name of Religion." Spirituality may be a motive, but you can't give the motive credit. When it comes down to it, science produces information. Religion produces nothing. Perform experiments using the SM and you will discover things. Pray, and nothing happens.
@Illculture Religion has certainly been a most influential force in human conflict, with all the schisms, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, witch hunts, and jihads.
You are saying that the planet is fine tuned for human life when in fact it is just the opposite. Human life is fine tuned for Earth. The only reason that we fit so harmoniously with our environment is because we evolved to fit it. If there were radically different conditions on this planet, but it was still capable of supporting life, there would be radically different forms of life. Perhaps intelligent life that would then say that their Earth was fine tuned for them. Do you see the problem?
Ill show you what asinine is: An invisible man hiding in the sky creates this soul thing and then to make sure its worthy sticks it in this meat sack thing for X amount of time to make sure that its worthy to go on to the next phase of existence. Then this god thing makes himself human so that he can sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself, so that he can save the soul things from torture that he creates. Revelation 14:10
Not even to make sure it's worthy, remember their God has omniscience and omnipresence. It already KNOWS how our lives are going to play out. No, it allows us to live in order for us to decide to love it under duress because although it's all powerful, it's also insecure and needy (incompatibly anyone?) for some reason and requires constant praise and adoration from lesser beings that should be of no consequence to such a creature.
Good points, but I could only fit so much Christian BS into one comment. I feel the same way God does, I get very angry every time I walk by an ant hill and the ants dont worship me. I usually feel like torturing them, so instead of going to work that day I sit at the ant hill in my front yard with a magnifying glass raining fire from heaven on them.
Godusesamac, did you even watch the video? You need to take your blinders off and watch it again and again until it sinks into that thick head of yours.
When a Christian finds Christ, God gives them a pass on every single bad thing that they have ever done. Christians believe that they don't actually have to do good things to get into heaven, all they have to do is believe in Jesus. Christians avoid the consequences of their actions, and do not have to take any responsibility for the bad things they have done. Meanwhile, good people go to hell if they don't believe in God.
Christ was a sacrifice. Jesus is the scapegoat of Christianity.
your understanding of christianity is so off its funny. One Accepting Jesus is just the first step. Next a person must take his christian walk. He must live a moral christian life as well as save souls. Its not as simple as going to church and getting your get out of hell free card. And as far as the whole good people go to hell thing..its like a degree. Getting saved is that license you need to have you works count. I could be the best driver but without a license i cant drive
Just one question though, I've been raping children and murdering innocent people all of my entire life. I have tricked and cheated and harmed countless lives for the whole of the entire time I have been alive.
I'm very sick now and I'm going to die soon. I realize now I'm a sinner and want to accept Jesus Christ into my heart and repent from all my sins.
It depends if his remorse is sincere. If he is only doing it to try and excape hell, then no. There are many examples of even people like Moses that worked their whole life for the lord and made one mistake and it cost them dearly. Judas is another one. He worked dearly for Jesus saving souls, but sold him out in the end.
Secondly You can't knowingly commit crimes and then run to god and say hey clean me...it doesn't work like that. If say someone has lived a bad life BEFORE knowing about christ and have had the truth revealed to them and then change their life then yes..their prior sins have been forgiven. But I believe that (ex. Judas) You can be righteous and then sin and still get eternal damnation. Its not an automatic. I can get a license..but its not permenant. i can just as easily get it revoked.
Lol, I love how you claim to know the exact intricacies of all the rules and regulations involved in the whole scenario, while almost all Christians seem to have slightly varying views on the exact same subject.
Yet somehow you've got it all figured out.
My question was, I am ready to accept Christ into my heart, will he save me or not?
I've heard of Christianity my whole life and always thought it was bullshit till some fundie like you convinced me it was all true.
Paul was a murderer. He hunted down and murdered countless jews, but yet those are the people that are of the most use. Cause when he accepted jesus he became one of the biggest appostles the world had ever known. Hell half of the new testament is written my him...a murderer. Because think about it. If jesus is able to convert somebody that hated him so much that he would kill his followers, then he truely had the power to make a difference in anyone's life.
Um, so you then don't have any actual retort on what I corrected you about and have resorted to trying to switch the focus onto some ridiculous strawman notion of an entirely different subject least you look totally foolish... hate to tell you but you're already too late.
Check out 4:25 in the video. From the book of Isaiah. That is one bible verse that I quoted. If you dispute my claims, then I'd like to hear where I'm wrong, but if you expect me to use biblical justification to explain the fundamentals of Christianity, you might be better served on another channel.
This is brilliant. Why have you stopped making videos?
wounduppenguin 2 months ago in playlist More videos from binaryspider
Your other videos are good, this video is not. You of all people should know that situations mold everyone into the people they are, acting like good deeds get you something puts hard working assholes in heaven and is unfair to people that have been put in horrible situations by neglect. Now I don't believe in anything but this video isn't going to convince christians. However I give you alot of credit on your other vids. k bye.
apolllos7 4 months ago
@apolllos7 I am a determinist, so I do agree with what you're saying, but really when you apply determinism to human psychology, it very quickly smothers the discussion. To have discussions like this (without having to litigate free will), I kind of have to play in their sandbox and at least argue from the standpoint that people choose who they are. Nothing I say is going to convince people who've made up their minds; my vids are for people who still seek truth. Thanks for the comment.
binaryspider 3 months ago
when you repent you must prove you have changed you ways through good deeds,the prayer on your death bed may not work considering this.
jesus is the only way to heaven but that is him knowing you and not by being gifted in the wisdom of him. sin is : your a fish in a fish tank that has been soiled with dirt or poop we are all dirty sinners and it can kill you (hell) but god can remove you from your tank and place you in a clay pot this means he can remove hate or lust from your body. be cleen=)
cottenmouth4201 6 months ago
please log on to equip.org to hear the truth
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
yes
r2dan 8 months ago
why did i clik this only to hear bible thumping i wanted devildriver whoever made this fuck yu gimmee back my spent wasted time that i lost on this you asshole!!
Tim666ify 11 months ago
@Tim666ify hahahah log on to equip.org for some great devil info
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
Great vid! God, or whoever created this place, is communicating with us by signs, not words.
freedomfighterone 1 year ago
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auburn1047 1 year ago
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auburn1047 1 year ago
Why does god have human characteristics? novabtpack, "god does what god wants..." sounds like a stubborn child..
paintman2580 1 year ago
@paintman2580 Some people anthropomorphize natural forces that they don't understand and call it "God". Some religious leaders speak of "God's" desires when in fact they're speaking of their own desires, using "God" as a means of legitimizing them and giving themselves permission to act on those desires.
Akira625 1 year ago
Describing the Christian concept of grace like a "get out of jail free" card is absurd. Salvation begins with regeneration and justification, and is followed by a long life of sanctification through which one "improves" through the power of the Holy Spirit. Hypothetically, someone can get "saved" five minutes before they die.... God does what God wants. But "grace" is hardly a two-minute prayer and then a wild life of comfortable abandonment.
And my church feeds the hungry with my money.
novabtpack 1 year ago
@novabtpack There are Christians who would disagree with you. Argue with them, please.
I'm glad that your church feeds the hungry. But I bet it also spends a lot of money on itself, and the people who "work" there.
binaryspider 1 year ago 3
@binaryspider 90 percent of all the money in the basket goes to holding up the acual building.
VtLute 1 year ago
@VtLute, I think it is hard to make that assertion, considering that the amount of money donated varies from church to church. Benny Hinn, for instance makes much more money than is required to maintain any building (which I'm not entirely sure that he actually owns). Either way, I don't but that 90% number, certainly not in all cases.
binaryspider 1 year ago
@VtLute -well thats still 10 percent of their net more than what your doing by turning people off to the lord jesus christ check out equip.org
soulkiss1001 1 year ago
@soulkiss1001 Or you coul donate to an organisation that gives all of its money to its causes. STFU asshole, and stop trying to toss off the evils of your religion.
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@PalulukanMakto god asks us to be a cheerful giver.greedy people will get bored of their overabundance.gods people are kind and considerate.satan is the accuser of the brethren..only jesus is perfectly religious everyone else is born with the taint of adam and eves sin and the closer they draw to the orthodox jesus the more truly religious helping the poor they will be.satan wand his followers will burn in hell eternally change your mind or eat as much ice as you can while you can
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
@soulkiss1001 If god punishes the greedy people, they why am I worse off than you? You're the one who wants eternal bliss and fluffy clouds and light blah blah blah. I'm fine with giving up most of my income to chartiy (thats about 90%, asshole) and getting to die and have the lights out. Thats enough for me (not that it owould matter if I wanted more, thats what we have to look forward too... that's reality). I've got a computer and a house and a Wii andfood - I feel god giving. No need formore
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@PalulukanMakto greedy people punish themselves not yieding to the boundries god sets so that people can have as much joy grace mercy faith hope and love as they can,what are you typing 90 percent about everything belongs to god you are just a steward of his money.log on to equip.org scroll down to search type in your doubts let hank hanagraaff answer your doubts
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
@soulkiss1001 1. If you donate to a Christian Charity group, you arent doing as much good as donating to a non-reigiious charity group. Non-religious charity groups give to the needy, and dont pay churches or bishops (WHO RAPE CHILDREN AND START WARS AND TRY TO BAN CONTACEPRIVES).
2. GOD DOESNT EXIST.
3. Amessage to ppl that tell other to go ask x prson or site about what they believe: YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL IF YOU ASK PEOPLE WHAT TO BELIEVE INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICES.
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@binaryspider binary why dont you donate to compassion international to feed the poor instead of putting down souls trying to do good.......please log on to equip.org search pride
soulkiss1001 7 months ago
@soulkiss1001 >I guarantee you Binary donates to charitable organisations.< Fun fact: atheists generally donate more of their income to charity and do more charitable things (or at least without bias) than Christians. The Islamic equivalent to the Ten Commandents has CHARITY as one things you MUST do to be considered a follower of their god. It's in the top five important things for Muslims to do. It's not even in the top 50 for Christians. Problem? (Continued on next page)
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@soulkiss1001 (Continued from previous page)
A challenge:
1. How many hours of charitabe work have you done in your life? (Helping a church or a group of people of only one religion doesnt count).
2. How much money have you given to charity in your life (Donating to a church or a group of people of only one religion doesnt count).
3. What is your age.
4. How much do you make a year?
5. What is your occupation.
Answer and compare notes with others. (MORE PEOPLE ANSWER THIS PLEASE)
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@soulkiss1001 (Contnued again) Time/money donated out of orders (parental rules and/or court orders) don't count. Only time and money you have donated out of your own kindness.
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
@novabtpack Your church feeds the hungry, and makes it's higher-ups rich (and dont forget the inquisition, the crusades, and WWII). It's like BP spilling oil, killing billions of organisms, and destroying thousands of jobs and livelihoods, and then says "oh, I'm sorry. Here's some money and a report showing that we know exactly how much damage we've done."
Both Churches and BP still profit after apologising. (BP lied in its report, then drove up gas prices and is making record profits. )
PalulukanMakto 7 months ago
Christians are good to get into heaven, non-christians are because their nice people :)
tabberer9000 1 year ago 2
My point is that, many times, even in the old testament, the symbolic importance of sacrifice is comparatively downplayed viz. :
1 Samuel 15:22
Proverbs 21:3
Ecc 5:1
Hos 6:6 It is a thing to realise that God wished to have sacrifice, as much as a mass symbolism, as a salvation requisite-Israel being a nation of close to a million-plus people. (No. of women and children unknown.)
There is a lot more important background I have to tell you, that you seem to conveniently have left out.
nedered 2 years ago
I don't think you r rite! Of course personal opinions do NOT matter. ALL that matters is where the truth lies in reality! Besides the semantics of it... I aver against your idea of SACRIFICE.
I'm a doctor from India and its fascinating to see a philosopher-doctor in the dens of youtube! I wish I could pluck up the courage to call myself a philosopher...Heh!
nedered 2 years ago
Amputation does not go away as well, doesn't it? You need treatment to attach it back again.
While it's true that man-made gods are moved by "good deeds", try that in a court when you've broken the law. It's the same with God, you're sinned, justice must be done. "Good people" aren't blameless.
You see, only Christianity gives a logical explanation of sin and justification. Sin is not karma.
Jewish rituals didn't took away sins. They merely foreshadowed Christ, the real Savior. It didn't evolve.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
@MichaelGabrielR Jews would likely disagree with that assessment.
Akira625 1 year ago
Also,about the aliens,yes scientist have FAITH but DO NOT say it is fact.They also do not shove it down people's throats, they claim you will suffer eternal torment for not believing,nor flaunt this faith in other people's faces.Biblical religions claim there is without proof,and shove it down other ppl's throats, using hell as a fear factor in attempts to get people to convert. Another thing they do is cause war over belief in this God,I've yet to see a war caused do to the belief in aliens.
thex13thxchild 2 years ago
Illculture Ppl have been oppressed(Galileo 4 examp), cultures destroyed(Maya,Aztec,pagan)bcuz wat they were,believed, even discovered posed a threat 2 the church.Compare all the good against the MASSIVE injustices biblie religion caused & r still causing,ur argument falls flat. I Suggiest looking into Our current pope & Christian history, you might learn something.
thex13thxchild 2 years ago
Genius, 5stars + subscribed :D
NeonRazorBlades 2 years ago
You show me another planet that just by chance sprouted intelligent life then you can speak of facts and truths. Anything less is equal to all the insults thrown to that validity of The Bible and Creation.
Illculture 2 years ago
So... can no one ever discuss facts and truths until I find another planet that has intelligent life on it? That's a very silly argument. Science supports that the Earth and the planets formed through natural means - no God needed. Science supports evolution - no God needed. In fact, the only time a God is required is when one takes the myths in the bible and interprets them as real. Otherwise, God isn't necessary.
binaryspider 2 years ago
So you support this idea that this zillion and one chance, a nearly impossible chance that earth happened to come about by chance. And which group of scientist do you follow, cause like churches there are many "theories" about how this all came about. So which Lucky theory science church denomination do you belong to. Are you a planetesimalist, a tidalist, or a member of the Nebular hypothesis....whahahahaha
Illculture 2 years ago
Okay, first off, I did not say anything about chance. The Earth and life formed because of gravity and natural forces; not chance. Secondly, you have no idea what scientific theories are, I suggest looking up the difference between a common theory and a scientific theory for clarification. Lastly, no matter how unlikely it may be, it is wrong to assume that our existence necessitates God. We can be lucky without blood thirsty sky wizards to thank.
binaryspider 2 years ago
And so, the reasoning used to justify dogma has to fall back out of range of current scientific knowledge, as it expands and destroys bad ideas.
I wonder how vague the non-arguments from people like you will be in a hundred years, or a thousand.
Don't even pretend that you'd change your position if we did find intelligent life on another planet. (Which is irrelevant to your myths anyway.)
There are probably countless examples of intelligent life in the universe owing to its sheer vastness.
AleximusMaximus 2 years ago
So the probability that there is a God is baseless and stupid because I have no "proof" but the probability of life on other planets is alive and well despite equal lack of proof? Hypocritical.
Illculture 2 years ago
No. You know what the difference is?
I'm not *claiming* there is intelligent life on other planets, and even if I went that far I wouldn't pretend to know anything about them, or make any lofty metaphysical claims based upon that claim.
You however don't, I assume, stop at saying "there is a god" you also seem to think you have special knowledge about its nature.
There is zero evidence or even reason to suppose that a god exists, let alone grounds for claims about its nature.
AleximusMaximus 2 years ago
Additionally, there is good statistical reasoning to lead one to suppose that in all probability there is some form of intelligent life out there in the universe.
If you consider the sheer billions of galaxies, each one with untold billions of stars, each potentially harbouring potentially several planets.
Then consider the incredibly wide array of environments we already know life can survive in. Even if the chance of intelligent life is TINY, there will be a great many number examples of it.
AleximusMaximus 2 years ago
I still don't quite understand how this pertains to what I was saying. God does not need to test anything because he already has all the answers so testing things for the purpose of seeing how they turn out or what the outcome is, is pointless under those circumstances. Besides your analogy is flawed. A parent knows that it's child will one day day but it knows not what its future holds in between those two events (birth and death) as with God. The Biblical God allows the birth of (continued)
dawn0293 2 years ago
people knowing that they will not achieve his ideas of perfection and will suffer eternally in hell before they even reach the starting gate. How many parents do you know would allow a child to be conceived if they knew its fate was eternal torture? How does this equate with the actions of a loving parent? Isn't that more of an apathetic standpoint than anything even close to love? Sorry for the rambling.
dawn0293 2 years ago
it's child will one day day
I'm sorry I meant one day die.
dawn0293 2 years ago
And this has what to do with the idea of a being with omniscience not needing to test anything since it already has the answers, how?
dawn0293 2 years ago
Unless you are prepared to assert that a person can atone for their sins through their good deeds, or that Christ does not offer forgiveness for your sins then I don't see how you are disagreeing with me. I didn't say that the acceptance of Jesus could be superficial, but that no matter what horrible crimes you've done, you can get into heaven by accepting him. A serial child rapist can get into heaven by truly accepting Jesus, but if his victims do not accept Jesus, they will go to hell.
binaryspider 2 years ago
I at no time said that reality had everything going for it. So you admit that reality isnt good enough for you, thanks for admitting that. My life is not hopeless, Im thankful that I got a chance to see and try and understand the universe. Im alive now and Im free, Im free from the repression of religion and its false hope, Im free from ignorance and the false comfort it gives. Im man enough to stand up and face reality, and I love it. Youll die an ignorant coward...
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Ignorance? Let me put something out there. I heard your mocking description of God. Let me explain something i think isfunny. Believing that we were just that lucky. That the odds of an earth being perfectly placed in the inhabitable zone of a sun, with the perfect mixture of gasses in our atmosphere, that all the perfect mutations that needed to happen happened all like clockwork, happened by accident. Not something that was designed, just one lucky roll after another. Now that's real faith
Illculture 2 years ago
Your one of those Christians that never read the Bible, you know nothing about science and religion just feels comfortable, it fits your non-thinking ways. That is ignorance! When the conditions are just right, things happen in nature, its not because of chance, accident or faith. Evolution is a fact, humans are descended from a common ancestor of the great apes. There was no original sin and therefore there is no need for a Jesus to save us.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Im talking about simply the possibility of this happening. Give me another example of this phenomenon of earth anywhere else in the galaxy. And If life forms conform to their environment, why arent there life forms on..lets say mars or jupiter that simply evolved to the conditions around it. Creatures that can take a 200 degree day and 200 degree night? Why doesn't that exist? Science is all about being able to conduct an experiment. And without another planet like earth, its just a theory
Illculture 2 years ago
Tell you what. You type the following in a reply to me: "If we discover life anywhere else but on our own planet, that will disprove God." Type that out and then we can discuss the importance/relevance of life on other planets. You are in part saying that since we only know of life on our planet, that proves God - so does that mean that life elsewhere will disprove God? If not, then why does life only here PROVE anything?
binaryspider 2 years ago
If that's what you think that I am saying then you are very wrong. I don't base my belief in God on the lack of life on other planets. What Im giving you is an example of how science contradicts itself while simultaneously condemning Faith. Scientist have Faith that there are life on other planets with NO PROOF, just the statistics that such a thing MAY be possible. To believe this, but in the same breath say that God is irrelevant because of lack of Scientific Proof/process is Hypocritical.
Illculture 2 years ago
Oh, I see. So, you are essentially saying that if you believe in something without proof, it is hypocritical to denounce someone else for doing the same thing. This is a valid point. However, I don't think that life on other planets is the same as belief in a sky wizard. Anyone who believes something without evidence should admit that they have no proof. Ask me for proof of alien life, and I will admit that I don't have any. Now, what happens if I ask you for proof of God?
binaryspider 2 years ago
We are comparing apples and SUV's. You use the Scientific process to understand science. I use faith and spirituality to undersand religion. They work with each other because they are tailor made for each other. To try to prove science to me with the Spritual process would work. For me to to explain religion (fully) through the scientific process would never work. Beause Essentially religion knows no boundaries: science is all about boundaries, unless a particuar theory is being explained
Illculture 2 years ago
I meant to say to try and prove science to me with the spiritual process wouldn't work. Excuse me.
Illculture 2 years ago
We use science to create things. Spirituality creates nothing. There is no useful information that has been gained through religion; no inventions, no discoveries, nothing. If you want proof that Science works, look around you. Show me something that was created from prayer. I know that you have strong feelings about your spirituality, but feelings can often times be wrong. Remember, there are people who have strongly believe the opposite of what you do. How would you argue against them?
binaryspider 2 years ago
???Wow someone needs to put the science book down and pick up a history book. Understand that religion has has been the most influencial force on human events. From the way we view human interaction. Entire empires, breakthroughs in engineering building pyrimids etc have all been pioneered in the name of Religion.
Illculture 2 years ago
Oh, I don't dispute that religion has been a huge factor in our history, and that you can point to a lot of things created for and by religious people. But, look closely at what you said "in the name of Religion." Spirituality may be a motive, but you can't give the motive credit. When it comes down to it, science produces information. Religion produces nothing. Perform experiments using the SM and you will discover things. Pray, and nothing happens.
binaryspider 2 years ago 7
@Illculture Religion has certainly been a most influential force in human conflict, with all the schisms, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, witch hunts, and jihads.
Akira625 1 year ago
You are saying that the planet is fine tuned for human life when in fact it is just the opposite. Human life is fine tuned for Earth. The only reason that we fit so harmoniously with our environment is because we evolved to fit it. If there were radically different conditions on this planet, but it was still capable of supporting life, there would be radically different forms of life. Perhaps intelligent life that would then say that their Earth was fine tuned for them. Do you see the problem?
Luke9473 2 years ago
Ill show you what asinine is: An invisible man hiding in the sky creates this soul thing and then to make sure its worthy sticks it in this meat sack thing for X amount of time to make sure that its worthy to go on to the next phase of existence. Then this god thing makes himself human so that he can sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself, so that he can save the soul things from torture that he creates. Revelation 14:10
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Not even to make sure it's worthy, remember their God has omniscience and omnipresence. It already KNOWS how our lives are going to play out. No, it allows us to live in order for us to decide to love it under duress because although it's all powerful, it's also insecure and needy (incompatibly anyone?) for some reason and requires constant praise and adoration from lesser beings that should be of no consequence to such a creature.
dawn0293 2 years ago
Good points, but I could only fit so much Christian BS into one comment. I feel the same way God does, I get very angry every time I walk by an ant hill and the ants dont worship me. I usually feel like torturing them, so instead of going to work that day I sit at the ant hill in my front yard with a magnifying glass raining fire from heaven on them.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
I cant be insulting your intelligence, I mean look at your belief system, its completely asinine.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
Godusesamac, did you even watch the video? You need to take your blinders off and watch it again and again until it sinks into that thick head of yours.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
When a Christian finds Christ, God gives them a pass on every single bad thing that they have ever done. Christians believe that they don't actually have to do good things to get into heaven, all they have to do is believe in Jesus. Christians avoid the consequences of their actions, and do not have to take any responsibility for the bad things they have done. Meanwhile, good people go to hell if they don't believe in God.
Christ was a sacrifice. Jesus is the scapegoat of Christianity.
binaryspider 2 years ago
For some reason most fundies will do whatever they can to avoid admitting to that nasty little aspect of Christianity.
I've heard some really ridiculous attempts at trying to justify the concept.
ogjimkenobi 2 years ago
your understanding of christianity is so off its funny. One Accepting Jesus is just the first step. Next a person must take his christian walk. He must live a moral christian life as well as save souls. Its not as simple as going to church and getting your get out of hell free card. And as far as the whole good people go to hell thing..its like a degree. Getting saved is that license you need to have you works count. I could be the best driver but without a license i cant drive
Illculture 2 years ago
Oh ok, I guess I had it all wrong. My bad Dude.
Just one question though, I've been raping children and murdering innocent people all of my entire life. I have tricked and cheated and harmed countless lives for the whole of the entire time I have been alive.
I'm very sick now and I'm going to die soon. I realize now I'm a sinner and want to accept Jesus Christ into my heart and repent from all my sins.
Will Jesus deny me his love and salvation?
ogjimkenobi 2 years ago
It depends if his remorse is sincere. If he is only doing it to try and excape hell, then no. There are many examples of even people like Moses that worked their whole life for the lord and made one mistake and it cost them dearly. Judas is another one. He worked dearly for Jesus saving souls, but sold him out in the end.
Remember Before you accept jesus sin is sin.
Illculture 2 years ago
Secondly You can't knowingly commit crimes and then run to god and say hey clean me...it doesn't work like that. If say someone has lived a bad life BEFORE knowing about christ and have had the truth revealed to them and then change their life then yes..their prior sins have been forgiven. But I believe that (ex. Judas) You can be righteous and then sin and still get eternal damnation. Its not an automatic. I can get a license..but its not permenant. i can just as easily get it revoked.
Illculture 2 years ago
Lol, I love how you claim to know the exact intricacies of all the rules and regulations involved in the whole scenario, while almost all Christians seem to have slightly varying views on the exact same subject.
Yet somehow you've got it all figured out.
My question was, I am ready to accept Christ into my heart, will he save me or not?
I've heard of Christianity my whole life and always thought it was bullshit till some fundie like you convinced me it was all true.
Will he save me?
ogjimkenobi 2 years ago
Paul was a murderer. He hunted down and murdered countless jews, but yet those are the people that are of the most use. Cause when he accepted jesus he became one of the biggest appostles the world had ever known. Hell half of the new testament is written my him...a murderer. Because think about it. If jesus is able to convert somebody that hated him so much that he would kill his followers, then he truely had the power to make a difference in anyone's life.
Illculture 2 years ago
It depends on the denomination. Some folks believe once saved - always saved. It's a common theme among born agains.
dawn0293 2 years ago
You attempt to explain Christian theology without quoting one bible verse: Fail.
TheMackQuigleyReport 2 years ago
You don't need to use excerpts from a book in order to explain that book. You likewise can do the same with dogma. You fail.
dawn0293 2 years ago
Ok, I'll explain your religion: "a nothing became a rock that became a monkey that became humanity".
You Fail.
TheMackQuigleyReport 2 years ago
Um, so you then don't have any actual retort on what I corrected you about and have resorted to trying to switch the focus onto some ridiculous strawman notion of an entirely different subject least you look totally foolish... hate to tell you but you're already too late.
dawn0293 2 years ago
oops, I meant lest not least.
dawn0293 2 years ago
Check out 4:25 in the video. From the book of Isaiah. That is one bible verse that I quoted. If you dispute my claims, then I'd like to hear where I'm wrong, but if you expect me to use biblical justification to explain the fundamentals of Christianity, you might be better served on another channel.
binaryspider 2 years ago
another excellent vid, well said.
dharrrster 2 years ago 2
Say, binaryspider, how come you have such big eyes?
Ahem, great video. Fav'ed! :)
Gnug215 2 years ago
Nicely said. The bull-knifing is a nice touch.
LibertyIsNotGiven 2 years ago