I need answers for those Q's,why the tower wont just go down by a plane crashing in it. Also it's strange how there are explosions before the plane hits the buildings, also explain to me why the building went straight down which it would if it was demolitioned with explosives. If it was 5 planes crashing into it, it would eventually break apart and fall to the sides because of weight balance.???!!!
Over 1600 Architects and Engineers from "AE911Truth" have scientific evidence 9-11 was an inside job, and they are campaigning for a new investigation
They are backed by US senators and former presidential candidate Mike Gravel as well as the former director of Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, amongs others.
Its about time people realise this and start listening to them.
It so sad that nobody can talk about this tragedy that killed so many innocent people without starting argue about who did it, if it was an inside job or not. It's disgusting, so many many good people died that day. Grow up.
Victims of the September 11 events around 3000 but do any of you asked how many Iraqi victims of five million immigrants out of Iraq and more than a million people dead and more than a million disappeared more than a million people remained in prison and Palestinian victims did not find statistical them to the large number of killings continued Israeli
invert everything you will be amazed what the gov is up to with tesla drjudywoodcom.
These people don't react too much do they. ISIS RA EL. israel. is egpytian temple of solomon. Two triangles are not a star. Drop the religious baggage you know fine well who did this. Ashkenazi JEW's who are NAZI"s named Kissenger / soros etc.
for some of you idiots who think the 9/11 could not have happened without bombs here is a lesson for you when the planes hit the towers they caught fire right then the steel and other metals in the towers were getting hot and when metal gets extremely hot it weakens it and make it give way under the humongous weight of the building therefore the towers collapsed and fell to the ground like a giant sand castle when you step on it.
@JehanneDeLys And another thing: those "people" who have been bribed to act, they're Americans too, and the assertion that they are all complicit in a mass-murder is a serious assault on the morality of a whole nation. Conspiracies fail easily when they contain a handful of people (eg. Watergate), never mind thousands, so how is this "conspiracy" suddenly the world's best kept secret? These allegations need explicit, concrete evidence, not gregarious oratory and pseudo-scientific non-sequitors.
@SaigheadBhriste No, your youth & ignorance didn't go unnoticed. You keep confirming you have NOT read any of the info thoroughly in context & evidently have a mental block / selective comprehension with anything that differs from your preconceived assumptions & programming. Can't get it through that fog that there was NO "mass-murder" of any citizens? That's what 'hoax' means! Ergo, no guilty conscience for the perps whose dupes & agents were probably fooled it was their 'patriotic' duty also.
When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
@diemuslimsdie1 No one ever said the towers were not destroyed, genius*, only that we've never been told OR shown HOW they were really demolished. Duh!
If/when you ever actually learn to read & spell properly, maybe your attention span, comprehension & cognitive ability to follow logically consistent thoughts may improve. Unlikely, of course, considering your obvious bigotry & blind belief in govt-media propaganda by your chosen sn.
@citrons666 I am a Serb. you motherfucker retarded, I hate them and you and you with them and we fought. But you Americans are all retarded, you know nothing. I do not know if we're smart enough, or have you remained so stupid.
@MegaDusancar lol us stupid fag. Im not american, im from europe, so fuck you serb. serbia , arabia all terorists. everyone the same. ok dude, now go buy some life :)
well, you're really for observation. It is true that the Arab zenlje called Serbian fighters to fight for them, because they are the best in the world. And we support Libya. And you are all stupid or do not know why Libya was attacked just listening to what you say politicians. And for you stupid to tell Libya were attacked because of oil to the U.S. entered and pulled oil. And the French because they failed business with Libya and to take money from NATO as military operations.
Can still reply in the open, but none in the direct contacting kind of way.
CameraPlanetArchive doesn't represent any government directly. They just make available as many video clips as they can find. Calling something a (Hoax) only truly works, if only very few people actually saw it. When it's been seen by thousands, it can not be called a hoax. Consider this a warning, and leave me the fuck alone!
There's many *LEGAL* reasons to do this, and many felt the need,
Companies were setup, the very same day, for people to send in their recordings.
There were news stations, setup, to even broadcast it, the same day, if you could get it in on time. But there were so many ppl more worried about others lives, that some didn't get em in till the next day.
@FievelJ69 Typically, you obviously didn't review the refs & vids cited before spouting more assumptions from willful ignorance & of course resorting to ad hominem insults. If you ever develop a genuine interest in learning what real, independent researchers have found over the past 5 years (i.e. professional engineers, videographers etc. NOT the cointelpro, controlled disinfo "truther" groups/leaders: Jones, Avery et al), try checking the refs provided e.g. tinyurl DOT com /SalemNews-SeptClues
@FievelJ69 LOL, you're really dumb! *Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts*: "Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed."– Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof. Dept of Psychology University of Warwick:
@JehanneDeLys I am not interested in some bullshit claims, that the whole thing was some sort of hoax.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS ARE NO MORE. EMERGENCY WORKERS FROM MY AREA, ASSISTED SHANKSVILLE. HOW BOUT YOU TALK TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE. THEY WILL SAY THE SAME THING. PUNCH YOU OUT, SPEAKING THAT WAY. I WAS THERE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL SAY. I HAVE TALKED TO A NEW YORKER TOO. EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN PA. THEY SAW THE DAMN FUCKING PLANES. THERE'S OTHER THEORIES TOO YOU KNOW.
@FievelJ69 No one saw any "planes" except on TV! Spouting silly assumptions in defiance of known facts, physics & psychology only prove your ignorance of technical facts & inability to follow logic. Try actually learning what the evidence IS before making an ass of yourself. The empty towers were demolished, but only the perps know or saw HOW they were destroyed. If you didn't have doubts why so hysterical about defending your blind belief in corporate controlled gov & media fraud, hmmm?
@JehanneDeLys REMOTE CONTROLLED PLANES. THAT'S ONE OF MANY OTHER THEORIES. BUT THIS HOAX BULLSHIT IS BY FAR THE WORST OF ALL. THIS IS ALSO ABUSING MYSELF, AND MY COUNTRY. THEY TELL THE TRUTH, AND YOU FUCKING PEOPLE CALL THEM LIARS. I GO BY A SINGLE TRUTH, WHICH JUST SO HAPPENS, IS EASIER TO PROVE. WHAT R U, LIKE 18? 20? WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS FAST ENOUGH TO DO ONE THE SPOT, QUICK. AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT AN EASY TO SEE INDICATION. TAKE STAR WARS AS EXAMPLE. EVEN THE NEWER EFFECTS, I CAN PINPOINT
@JehanneDeLys EXACTLY WHERE THE BLUE SCREEN IS, BY JUST DOING ONE SIMPLE ZERO IN ON A SINGLE OBJECT. I FIND NONE OF THAT WITH 911 FOOTAGE. IT WOULD'VE TAKEN HOURS TO PROCESS ALL OD THAT OUT, EVEN FUCKING TODAY. IT HAS TO BE DONE MANUALLY, BECAUSE THE COMPUTER ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT THOSE FINE LINES. THEY ARE SO DAMN EASY TO SPOT. YOU ARE UNDER 24, THAT'S EASY TO SPOT.
I KNOW MY FUCKING COMPUTER SHITE, LOOK FOR FIEVEL WALKING PAST THE PENTAGON'S CCTV IN MY ONE VIDEO!!!!!
a video that clearly shows a "real plane" crashing into the pentagon,i'm "real sure" somebody out there has the proof,after all it's one of the worlds most secure buildings,covered from every angle by cctv cameras..c'mon people i'll pay cold hard cash.
How easily psyops & TV fakery work: "Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts"
"Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed.”
- Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof Dept of Psychology University of Warwick tinyurl . com / UKpsych-study
@TheOilerfan18 You're not interested in learning how they were all faked (+ explosions & smoke), are you? If you were even slightly curious you'd have checked the videos & site refs I gave you. FYI, of the alleged "amateur" vids, about 45 total, most are attributed to individuals (fronts) in the media, film & graphics industry. For any who are really interested, read:
The "Amateur" Imagey: septemberclues.info /faq_2.htm
@JehanneDeLys actually i have looked up alot of stuff like this. Did you watch the video i asked? If you did then please explain to me how they faked that one shot. Funny how people believe they are faked when my uncle was in manhattan and saw the first plane from church street. I honestly dont think there was any imaging used but that is my opinion. I do think there is something else that happened that day that helped the towers come down though. Not thermite though.
@TheOilerfan18 OMG, not ANOTHER "uncle"! LOL I've lost count of the Youtube teen trolls with "uncles" either "lost" in or "witnessing" 9-11 events. Wow, "uncles" (at some 'uncles' convention?) must have incredible eyesight &/or bad luck LMAO. Look, kid, if you can't support your belief in the govt-media story of "planes" & "victims" with any real facts or evidence, don't resort to the typical refuge of trolls & shills by lying for them (or repeating the lies of others). "Planes" were only ON TV!
@JehanneDeLys I really couldnt care if you believe me. There are countless other people that saw the planes. But im sure they must all be part of a conspiracy. And i did support my belief. Watch the clip i pointed out. Explain to me how imaging can do that. Btw you shouldnt shoot down any beliefs that oppose your own. People have opinions and i respect yours but i just want to share with you what i know about the events.
@TheOilerfan18 "Opinions" & "beliefs" that contradict known facts, physics & common sense are not valid arguments nor can it "support" anything. You keep referring to an absurd cartoon plane on faked video that is such obviously bad cgi it's beyond a joke. If you can't tell they're not real "planes" or why the speeds & physics are impossible, check the site refs & videos I gave you that show exactly how & why. If you don't want answers, fine, but don't keep arguing from ignorance. Ok?
@JehanneDeLys You still haven't answered me about the one clip i asked you about. It is impossible to fake that. Your telling me that the thousands and thousands of people in new york that day are involved in the conspiracy? Just think about this with an open mind if you will. Dont you think that if there were no planes on that day that someone that had an angle that could see the "flightpath" would say something?
@TheOilerfan18 I answered you re the cartoon plane clip – IF/when you want to know how & why, review the video pro's detailed analyses! FYI, the "thousands of witnesses" myth is a propaganda meme started & perpetuated BY the Media. The only place New Yorkers saw any "planes" was ON TV. To understand how easily psyops & compelling imagery works to manipulate consensus reality, learn about psychology & what the OODA loop is. Google: "Information Warfare by Prof George J Stein".
@JehanneDeLys so your saying i was basically brain washed by the media? ok cool, and there is no possible way you are being brainwashed by professors and people that want to get there 15 minutes of fame. And like i said before my uncle was in new york and saw the first plane. Hey he didnt see the second plane so your imaging stuff might be right on that one. Btw how do you know that nobody saw the planes on those days, did you ask everyone in new york or just jumping to a conclusion?
@TheOilerfan18 We were ALL fooled by the "shock & awe" psyop & TV imagery on 9-11, some woke up to it sooner than others, started to question & examine it. Since ALL alleged film of 9-11 events was proven faked over 5 years ago, the obvious question then is, if the govt's story were true, why would they need to fake ANY of it? It was a HOAX to ratify war! Your "uncle" didn't see any "plane" anywhere except ON TV! (Btw, the article on Information Warfare I cited was written in 1995)
The first catastrophe in what turned out to be a dacade of catastrophes; hopefully the 2010s will be better than the 2000s; somehow, I doubt it, though...
better yet how did they let 5 Muslims set off metal detectors and they where all boarding the same plain lol ... the plains are going in and out of radar and still no alarming sign that screams the plains have been hijacked .. really .. forget the fact that only the towers collapsed .. what about the plain that his the pentagon that disappeared.. its an INSIDE JOB
I WANT TO SAY : BIG RESPECT TO THOSE HIGHJACKERS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EASY TO HIT THE TWIN TOWERS LIKE THEY DID SO PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THOSE TALENTED HIGHJACKERS ? MAY THEIRS SOULS REST IN PEACE .
lets make movies about it and commemoritive coins "we will never forget" how many bombings happen in other countries all the time! Oh i forgot, we are special
9/11 was no more than a satanic ritual that will give to the followers of satan more powerful to controle the world they hide them selves behind the NWO (New World Order) but when you turn the letters NWO become ZMO ( Zionist Masonic Ogrich)
google that u will find out a lot of satan who want to distroy the world and take mankind away from worshipping ALLAH almighty
you have to know that they are preparing an other one in 2012
I'm not american, but I get so god damn angry when I see this, I love New York with every bit of my heart. I'm from Toronto, and I want to be a fireman because FDNY has inspired me. I hope one day I can be as brave and classy as these men and women.
hi see my channel at you tube zeid67 i up loaded a scientific documentary made by 8 scientists from Denmark regarding 9 11 this was forbidden to be put i in USA Media by the goverment
@the14u36 So, your basically telling me, the American government hired terrorist to hijack planes, and told them to take out the economic heart of New York City and international landmarks, while in that prosses, killing thousands of our own innocent people? Is that really what runs through your mind everytime you go to bed.
I don't have to prove anything. Ask any American, that's your proof right their jackwad. (You don't count, you're not American)
a sta je sa Srbijom i gomilom porusenih mostova i zgrada...Sta je sa toliko nevinih ljudi koji su stradali zbog americke politike,da ne govorim o Iracanima...e to je katastrofa mnogo veca od ove! Žao mi je nevinih ljudi koji su stradali u ovim zgradama,ali za to nisu krivi teroristi nego sama Amerika!!!!!!
@Glinka19 what are u talkin about.? the camre planet archive got videos from different sites and posted them all for YOUR ASS to be watchin if it wasnt 4 them u wouldnt be here watchin this video so please stop complaining and appreciate it
I am sick of the tolerance to the intolerants. Get rid of that fucking mosque, some guy threatens to burn their religious book and they take to the streets threatening death etc. yet THE AMERCIAN politicians condemn him and let them do whatever? May the victims never be forgotten. The minority have fucking sway now. Its absurd. This is one of the worst days in American history. The people jumping are some of the most shocking images ever.
I coach little league football. Each year on the anniversery I'd ask my team, 'Do you boys know what happened a year ago today? (or two years ago - etc.). Now they weren't even born when this happened. I was born in 1963 and I remember the 10 year anniversery of JFK and people saying "It's hard to believe it's been 10 years." God bless America
Why did they not scramble intercepters after the first plane changed course. It would be to late to stop the first plane but they could have prevented any others hitting the towers?
@frontline88888888 yes but they did not realize it was an attack when the first plane hit, they thought it was an accident until the second plane hit.
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Every time when I see that building collapse or what else, or a video of it, I'm getting really sad... I just can't believe it, and really, I wish it never happend. The buildings were the sign of America, if you see a poster of America, its used to see 2 big twin towers. But now, now you only see the church getting all over those buildings, and not the heart of America... really sad
9/11 was defiantly an inside job. That's the only way to explain how all three buildings collapse in a symmetrical, free-fall manner into their own basements.
@tokeitup10 No, there are other more scientific and factual ways to explain it however you and every other 9/11 conspiracy theorist out there choose to ignore them. If anything you try to cover up the truth which is ironic since you consider yourselves to be "truthers".
@tokeitup10 If the buildings fell at (or faster than - as some claim) free fall speed how can you explain the debris that broke away from the towers during the collapse falling faster than the collapsing tower itself? Furthermore, if these were symmetrical controlled demolitions as you claim, how can you explain the different tilts exhibited by all 3 buildings during their collapses? If you can answer these questions scientifically instead of just trying to insult me I will take you seriously.
@derekxnl Why should I explain myself so technically to a bunch of kids?
The bottom line is that steel-frame structures are built to a tolerance that could withstand a direct hit and fire like what happened to those towers. If you look on record building 6 was totally engulfed in flame and almost destroyed by falling debris, yet was still standing the day after. It is so unlikely that a building can completely collapse on itself, that the only realistic explanation is shaped-charge explosives.
@derekxnl Let's look at motives and rationale. If you look into history of World War II there are many examples of what's known as a "false-flag" from such countries as Japan, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and the United States. Operations like AJAX and NORTHWOODS which were documented plans for the US military to stage terrorist attacks as a pretext for war with Cuba. Even as recent as the Alfred P. Murrah building; Tim McVeigh did NOT work alone. This is standard operating procedure.
@derekxnl If you've read the NIST report about the collapse of Building 7 you would know that this was the first time in human history that fire has caused such a collapse. In order to get Building 7 to collapse so smoothly, without tipping into the street and other buildings, ALL vertical columns supporting the building would need to be destroyed at the same time. What a coincidence indeed, that fire can cause such a perfect demolition job while others need to pay engineers for such results.
@tokeitup10 September 11th had a lot of firsts. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner.
@derekxnl WTC was NOT the first building in human history to be struck by an aeroplane. Likewise, was not the first time fires were "left to burn". Have you forgotten about war? About air raids, and the firebopmbing of Berlin? The airplane crash into I think the Empire State building?
You are choosing to ignore very obvious facts.
You're going off-topic because you can't refute the evidence I brought fourth. Please, comment on what I posted or don't comment at all.
@tokeitup10 For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse.
@derekxnl Your age is quite obvious at this point, as well as the age of your supporters. (Not that I expected any adults to comment here, YT is full of children). You are so wrong that it sickens me. Stop pretending like you understand complex mathematics and it's application to architecture and demolition, because you obviously don't from what you posted.
@tokeitup10 Once again you have chosen to try and insult me rather than give evidence supporting your claim. Yes, a B-25 Mitchell bomber struck the Empire State Building I will not deny that. However, the B-25 that struck the Empire State Building was going 225mph at the time of impact, not 500+mph like the jets that struck the World Trade Center. Also, the B-25 was much smaller, and was not a jet plane but a propeller driven plane. I have refuted all evidence you have put forth.
@derekxnl I"m insulting you because you're stupid. You are nothing but a child, so that's how you're going to be treated. I don't need to spoon-feed you information, moron.
@tokeitup10 Well, if you want people to take you seriously and if you want to support your unfounded claims then you must provide evidence to do so. I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to give you a chance to argue your position because I have better things to do. So, you can continue spreading your conspiracy theory nonsense. Let's see where it gets you. The rest of the world realizes there is no conspiracy involved with 9/11, when will you?
YouTube is not a court of law. You're full of yourself, kid. You must really have no life to revive a month old topic to demand that I provide you with evidence.
@derekxnl Not much point debating the physics of CGI created imagery. The towers were demolished, they're gone, but there is no real footage of the actual event. To understand how the TV networks psyops hoax was achieved & why, visit septemberclues.info
@JehanneDeLys You know that really makes sense. Not really. You conspiracy theorists are just digging a deeper & deeper hole for yourselves every time you speak. Yes, it's so simple. The government blew up the towers in the middle of New York, one of the largest cities in the world and somehow managed to take every single video recording of the event and replace them with CGI footage. And not one single person who's "in on it" has talked to this day. Way too complicated for the Gov. to pull of..
@derekxnl That's why it needed the TV networks to pull it off. You believe everything the govt & corporate controlled media tells you is true without question? Like the "conspiracy theory" of 19 youths with box cutters outfoxed the US Defense systems & NORAD to fly ghost jets into buildings & defy the laws of physics? So why has EVERY video of the alleged event been exposed as cgi created fraud? (Ever heard of HERF jamming used by the military?). Research the evidence before you ridicule ;)
@JehanneDeLys If you knew me you'd know that I have absolute hatred for corporate media and also for the way our government handles things. It's foolish to think that terrorists intent on harming Americans couldn't hijack a plane armed with boxcutters and fake bombs. I would like to see you defend yourself from a surprise attack by a violent man armed with a lethal weapon in cramped quarters.
@JehanneDeLys And if you really knew anything about physics then you'd also realize that there is nothing suspicous about how the events of 9/11 unfolded. Everything has a rational explanation for what happened. You have a persistent belief in a delusion that is completely unphased by any evidence that contradicts your belief. It's part of a real mental disorder called Paranoid Schizophrenia. Your behavior suggests you may have it along with most other conspiracy theorists. Please, get help.
@derekxnl How does it make sense to name call or ridicule what you have no clue about & don't even want to see the evidence for & you're only 18? Take the challenge, dare to look & see for yourself. Check out the vids on tv fakery, 911 actors, 911 vicsims & september clues by simonshack. No one can teach you to see, that's your choice. Just know it's a proven fact that no "amateur" video of 9-11 exists that is not a cgi forgery.
@JehanneDeLys Why don't you go to Iran so you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can discuss all these irrational conspiracies you both believe in. That's right, the xenophobic, racist, sexist, jihadist man who claims the Holocaust was a hoax also believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Conspiracy theories are and always will be a joke because they just aren't real. If a conspiracy theory were true it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Don't tell me to look at evidence when you're the one believing delusions.
@JehanneDeLys can you explain to me then videos that follow a close up shot of the plane hitting the building? i guess people just randomly followed the sky towards the building and timed it correctly with the explosion
@TheOilerfan18 Are you serious? The video footage is ALL faked using CGI layering! If you don't understand how it was done, watch the video experts' analyses. See simonshack's videos:
September Clues (all parts)
Foxed Out
Nosed Out
Visit septemberclues.info enter the main site & click the relevant articles that explain it in detail, e.g. "Imagery Analyses" > septemberclues.info /wtc_airplanes.htm
@JehanneDeLys Its a proven fact that no amateur vid of 9 11 existi that is not a cgi forgery??? what the hell are you saying that this was fake and no one seen it ???
@MrTrapper1017 That's right, no genuine film of alleged 9-11 events exists, both TV "live" & "amateur" are frauds using the same templates (from 1 studio source). For comprehensive FAQ & analyses, go to septemberclues.info, enter the main site & find specific title links to articles, e.g. 'The "Amateur" Imagery': septemberclues.info /faq_2.htm.
@JehanneDeLys So it was all a big hoax. They had on the spot computers running at todays speeds, back in 2001. They hoaxed many people seeing the hijackers boarding the planes. the hoaxed all the separate news papers. they faked the crash just six counties away from me, and managed to fake the Pentagon too.
while there's only a single close up shot of the first hit, with someone yelling something along the line of, oh Fuck, holy shit! And it's the only reason the guy even caught the first hit.
@FievelJ69 Nice demonstration of argumentum ad ignorantium, non sequiturs AND straw man fallacies lol. Prefab cgi footage & psyops don't require much sophistication, which you'd know if you had any understanding of psychology or the OODA loop. The infamous "Naudet Brothers" absurd fraud was exposed years ago, but if you still assume it was real (despite the audio giveaway!) see experts' analyses:
And the thousands of New Yorkers, they were all paid off to pretend?
So the towers are still standing?
Freak. It seems, every other (Theorist) is from here. And there's more then one theorist story, while there's only a single official story. Amateur videos are easy to spot. Low quality, often only done in mono sound. Studio fakes, would have perfect picture, perfect sound quality, and not a single sign of tape damage from being used too many times.
@thewhochilipeppersU2 Of course forgery means fake! NO photo or video of alleged 9-11 events is genuine. Period. Ergo, EVERY story & image presented as "real" or "live" by corporate media networks, govt & purported "witnesses" is faked to perpetuate the war ratifying hoax of 9-11. I suggest you review the genuinely independent expert research refs provided (i.e. not controlled disinfo) to fully understand the how & why.
1. Incosistency of accounts does not indicate a cover-up. It is perfectly conceivable that one could underestimate the size of a plane from that far or see something hit the tower and think it's a missile.
2. Even if the government tried, they couldn't fake these videos; this level of editing is astonishing for one video, never mind dozens.
3. You and the website assert your opinions as facts. You need a LOT more evidence before you can do that.
@SaigheadBhriste It's clear you haven't watched or read much of the last 5 years of analyses on the septemberclues site OR anywhere else by that typical display of incomprehension, presumption & inattention. The site owner is a professional videographer & former motor sports photographer of F1! 1st clue: genuinely independent researchers don't "market" anything, unlike the disinfo clowns & fake "truth" leaders set up to cyber herd the gullible = discredit 1s too close to exposing Media fraud!
@JehanneDeLys Eh, I've read plenty of alleged conspiracy stories about 911 and am yet to find one that stands up to proper scrutiny and analysis, so don't start making personal comments about me simply because my analysis is different from yours. The site owner is "marketing" a very political slant, he/she has every bit as much of a biased agenda as these alleged "disinfo clowns" of whom you speak (whose existence seems to be assumed as fact on the basis of apparent subjective discrepancies).
@JehanneDeLys I would also like to point out that the "inconsistencies" presented on the site are not reliable, one photo shows a plane approaching from an apparently slanted angle; this is possible by looking down from a high angle. The site also lists professional photographers and video-makers as if this casts aspersions on the validity of their pictures. That smacks of ad hominem. We have no problem with critical thinking, but we do have a problem with this aggressive conspiracy marketing.
@SaigheadBhriste *Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts*:
"Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed."– Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof. Dept of Psychology University of Warwick:
@JehanneDeLys OK, with one video, it can happen. Forging many videos from many different angles and having them all match up to reasonable accuracy is very far-fetched. And none of these videos disagree outlandishly with eye-witness accounts, the margin of error is that the airplane was "small", an easy mistake to make from such a far distance! Not enough evidence pal, not enough evidence. That psychologist's last line was very speculative; it relies on everyone having imagined it to hold water!
@SaigheadBhriste You've made the typical mistake of assuming there really are dozens of different "amateur" videos when they're only variations on a few pre-fab templates from one source. If you ever bother to study the exhaustive research findings of independent experts & professionals (not those controlled & paid by govt & corporate media to perpetuate the propaganda) you'd be surprised how little you know. There are no real "eyewitnesses" to any "planes" or building "collapses". Research!
@JehanneDeLys Hold on, so the site has four different videos from different angles to point out inconsistent videos, we have Youtube videos that show the plane crashing head on and crashing from the side, filmed from both the ground and from apartments, yet we're meant to believe every single one of these was generated from a few templates and that all these forgers and media groups are complicit in what would be the largest civilian mass-murder in US history. This is hearsay, not evidence!
@JehanneDeLys Also, I've read and researched quite a lot of this 911 hoax stuff by now and all of it inherently contains a central premise that thousands of Americans have agreed to conspire to something morally repulsive. When you make a claim that big, you need absolutely damning evidence, not a reliance that the government, the media, the forgers, the "victims", the relatives, the witnesses, etc. have all lost sense of human morality. There's a much bigger picture that's being ignored here!
@SaigheadBhriste Since you obviously haven't researched, read or understood anything about it, you're arguing from willful ignorance & naivety. NO "planes" were "hijacked" or crashed anywhere on 9-11 = NO real "victims", only lists of fake names & photos w/ agent/actors playing "witnesses" & "family" for the Media hoax to demolish empty, asbestos-filled buildings as an excuse for war to control the Middle East. Pseudo 'Truthers' endorsing "planes" & "victims" = COINTELPRO disinformation.
1. I presented three objections to arguments presented on the website and you ignored them. How can you accuse me of not researching when I read the content on the links you posted and I refuted them?
2. That engineer in the first link has ignored the concept of parallax. The two shots are from different angles.
3. Newton's Laws of Motion have not been violated. The momentum of a plane in flight is large enough to overcome the normal forces of the building.
@SaigheadBhriste 1. You cannot "refute" what you haven't studied, experienced or understood, especially complex subjects it takes months to process from years of meticulous research. Seems the problem of this generation is limited attention span expecting instant 'download' of data.
2. Try actually reading the 9-11 logic article in full, where that parroted "angles" & "parallax" non sequitur is confuted.
3. Learn some basics about Boeing 767s & flight physics, AoA, VMO etc + WTC construction
@JehanneDeLys 1. By definition, yes! But I have studied your claims, and I've presented objections to them! All you post are other peoples' arguments and when my analysis disagrees, you insult me and dodge the rebuttals!
2. No, it was not disproven. He casually underestimated the angular separation and concluded what is essentially an incredibly amateur error.
3. That didn't refute my argument...do you seriously think all those office blocks are not going to be blitzed by an airplane that big?
@SaigheadBhriste If you ever choose to really learn what it is you 'think' you're arguing against, go to cluesforum.info & tell the seasoned experts there how they're all wrong. There's even a dedicated topic inviting all comers to "Debunk A September Clue!":
@JehanneDeLys I didn't argue from ignorance, there is substantial video, photographic and eye-witness evidence to support what I claim. You haven't shown how thousands of people have been bribed/duped, you've just made an asserted allegation that they have, arguments ad hominem and without evidence are even more fallacious than you claim mine are!
How are your sources any more trustworthy than mine? All their talk of governmental conspiracies smacks of a biased political agenda on their part!
@SaigheadBhriste You don't even know what argumentum ad ignorantium means either? OR what huge corporations own & control the media & govts? lol And persist in parroting the same Official Conspiracy Theory myth of "deaths" etc. despite the fact no one has found verifiable evidence (i.e. not hearsay) of any real deaths in any alleged 9-11 event in 10 years!
If/when you want to know what you 'think' you're arguing about, watch the original TV "live" film @ archives.org, research & learn.
1. If the Bush administration did this, then why is the Obama administration covering up something that:
a.it didn't do?
b.would constitute a massive blow to the reputation of the Republican Party?
2. If the media is/was in the government's back pocket then why were stories published (eg. in The New York Post) that implicated him of foreknowledge and complicity of 911?
These are two questions that need to be answered for your conspiracy claims to hold water.
@SaigheadBhriste Op 9-11 was planned years in advance by those in real power who use whatever tool is in the WH at the time (& always have). Even FDR said "Presidents are not 'elected' they're selected".
FYI, shifting the burden of proof, a special case of 'argumentum ad ignorantium', is a fallacy of putting the burden of proof on anyone who denies or questions the claims being made (e.g. govt's OCT). The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.
@JehanneDeLys You are challenging the accepted idea that two planes crashed into the towers. We have a large body of video, photographic and eye-witness evidence to support this accepted idea. For our idea to fall, you need evidence to show that we were wrong, therefore the burden of proof is on you.
Once again you make an allegation about a conspiracy with nothing to back it up.
Once again you dodge my questions.
Once again you conflate the argument from ignorance fallacy.
@SaigheadBhriste Instead of parroting straw man fallacies, try actually finding out what has already been exposed. I repeat: go to cluesforum.info -> September Clues Forum, find the Introduce Yourself topic with a link "for those new members who have basic objections to our research: [re Debunk A September Clue] you will find more than 30 challenges. You will need to convincingly rebut/disprove just 3 of your choice.." Funny, haven't seen you there yet lol
@JehanneDeLys Of course, nobody can be empirically wrong because you can claim the evidence is dodgy in absolutely any debate, but it is not argumentium ad ignorantiam to claim that my arguments are stronger than yours.
You do know that a "large body" of "video"..."eye-witness evidence" counts as evidence in any courtroom around the world don't you? Your evidence is very circumstantial, based around apparent anomalies and assumes the same expert forgers have made lots of silly amateur mistakes.
@JehanneDeLys "The govt has NOT proven its claims ever!"
And you accuse me of arguing from ignorance? What you've said is basically what I said, just from the other side of the coin!
Isn't it a little hypocritical for you to accuse me of constructing a straw man after you tried to make it look as if I had argued from ignorance?
I'm really not bothered going onto the forum. Arguing with you will keep me entertained for another while. And anyway, I have a life to live, as I'm sure you have too.
@JehanneDeLys Any events were clear for any inhabitant of New York to see.
What are the odds that every single witness out of thousands in New York City were lying or bribed by the the government, with all of them perpetuating the lie? Astronomical.
Contrast that with the odds that tens of videos, hundreds of photos and thousands of consistent witness accounts constitute reliable evidence. Extremely likely.
We have evidence, you have hearsay. That's why the burden of proof is on you, not me.
@SaigheadBhriste So, you don't know what argumentum ad ignorantium means, or the difference between verifiable evidence & hearsay. Repeating the "accepted idea" (consensus reality) from propaganda perpetuated by the Media (e.g. "large body" of "video"... "eye-witness evidence") IS hearsay. The govt has NOT proven its claims ever! The evidence of TV fakery & fraud is in EVERY alleged film/photo of 9-11 events for anyone to examine & see for themselves, all exposed by method revealed.
@JehanneDeLys I don't claim you're wrong due to weak evidence (though I do claim it make your arguments lack substance). I claim you're wrong because my side is supported by strong evidence that cannot be reconciled with your claims.
A large body of photos, videos and eye-witness accounts is pretty convincing. The Bush administration couldn't have covered it up even if they tried - and the Obama administration has no motive to stay silent about, never mind cover up, their opponents' atrocities.
@JehanneDeLys I could have added a few insults and accused you of being ignorant, foolish, deluded, blind, irrational, illogical, etc. simply for daring to have a different opinion to me, but I didn't, because that would be hypocritical of me, not to mention downright immature!
Remember, other people provide a different analysis, and if you keep on playing the man and not the ball, you're not going to convince many people! We're not automatically wrong just because we disagree with you!
@SaigheadBhriste FYI, arguing from ignorance is a logical fallacy. Believe what you want, I've no interest in spoon-feeding anyone who can't tell the diff between belief & demonstrable evidence but expects instant transfer of knowledge gained by years of real experience & study in 500 character comments. Citing perp controlled sites promoting govt-media OCT propaganda devised to protect the media fakery from exposure? LOL You really have no clue how psyops or cointelpro & disinfo work, do you!
@JehanneDeLys Ah, excellent, once again you dodge my arguments and accuse me of ignorance!
And I forgot. All those websites are merely part of a sinister governmental conspiracy where thousands of people just so happen to be so morally corrupt that they'd allow the deaths of more than 2,000 and every single one of them will keep the secret. Whereas your favourite websites are pure harbringers of truth who have absolutely no reason to have an agenda!
@SaigheadBhriste FYI, the sept clues site owner is Norwegian (living in Italy) w/ no political agenda re US, just an independent expert appalled at the blatant fakery he recognized in the 9-11 film footage, & like this engineer back in 2006: tinyurl DOT com /911Logic See also tinyurlDOTcom / KT2ndHit tinyurl DOT com /iwarUK tinyurl DOT com /SalemNews-SeptClues tinyurlDOTcom /UKpsych-study Watch: "9-11 Actors" "Super 'Not It' World: Naudet Fakery" "Why Use Real Planes?" Now go learn!
@SaigheadBhriste If you don't understand aerodynamics or physics & haven't watched the original footage aired by the TV networks with a straight face as "live" (that anyone can see for themselves on the official archive site: archive.org /details/sept_11_tv_archive )
just watch this side by side analysis that makes it easier to see:
@JehanneDeLys It would be quite a pity if I didn't understand aerodynamics and physics, bearing in mind it makes up half my degree. The problem with that page is that it highlights strange angles, assumes the "forgers" have made what is an astonishingly stupid error and then deduces tinkering. Those odd angles are optical illusions created by perspective, I've encountered them before while studying technical graphics. This is not convincing evidence of foulplay!
rational explanation? Like how 16 hijackers who were split up into 2 giant planes were able to resist a plane full of people and fly a plane SMOOTHLY into 2 towers? The passengers could have beaten the hijackers to death with their luggage as far as Im concerned.
@NorthCitySider Are you even aware of the double standard you're imposing? According to you, the passengers on the planes who were in no way prepared to fight back against terrorists who were hell-bent on causing destruction at all costs could have beat back the group of trained/prepared terrorists who were using sharp cutting objects to quickly force their way into the cockpit and take control before anyone could do anything?
@NorthCitySider Do you also realize that the people on the plane were not all in the same area as the hijackers? Do you realize that the hijackers were already seated pretty damn close to the cockpit before they even set their plan to rush the cockpit into motion? It's not like they were at the back of the plane and made everybody aware of their intentions and gave the passengers time to set up a defensive perimeter to hold back their assault. You're willfully ignorant.
@NorthCitySider ya, that was called flight 93 fuckface. Lets put u in a plane thats been hijacked by lunatics who've stabbed the pilots and claim to have bombs. Lets see how u'd react. U wouldnt do shit. U'd be curled up in your seat, urinating in your Hello Kitty panties. Have some respect for the thousands of people who lost their lives that day.
2749 people died at the world trade center - including citizens from 87 countries 343 were new york city firemen . 84 were port authority emplyees. of whom 37 were police. another 23 were new yo
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I need answers for those Q's,why the tower wont just go down by a plane crashing in it. Also it's strange how there are explosions before the plane hits the buildings, also explain to me why the building went straight down which it would if it was demolitioned with explosives. If it was 5 planes crashing into it, it would eventually break apart and fall to the sides because of weight balance.???!!!
sadanjd 1 week ago
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Over 1600 Architects and Engineers from "AE911Truth" have scientific evidence 9-11 was an inside job, and they are campaigning for a new investigation
They are backed by US senators and former presidential candidate Mike Gravel as well as the former director of Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, amongs others.
Its about time people realise this and start listening to them.
Here is their campaign ad.
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The911watch 3 months ago
It so sad that nobody can talk about this tragedy that killed so many innocent people without starting argue about who did it, if it was an inside job or not. It's disgusting, so many many good people died that day. Grow up.
Bjontiss 3 months ago
What did we done to them?? Was this done on purpose just for fun?!
trucvy123 4 months ago
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Victims of the September 11 events around 3000 but do any of you asked how many Iraqi victims of five million immigrants out of Iraq and more than a million people dead and more than a million disappeared more than a million people remained in prison and Palestinian victims did not find statistical them to the large number of killings continued Israeli
xxxxaxxxxhxxxxlove 4 months ago
The ppl that hate america r stupid
mwburdett 4 months ago
@ 6:44 is that someone falling?
FKatzenjammer 6 months ago
@FKatzenjammer probably, there were lots of jumpers during 9/11 . About 200 if i remember right. Its about the right shape too.
Pawnbroker00 6 months ago
invert everything you will be amazed what the gov is up to with tesla drjudywoodcom.
These people don't react too much do they. ISIS RA EL. israel. is egpytian temple of solomon. Two triangles are not a star. Drop the religious baggage you know fine well who did this. Ashkenazi JEW's who are NAZI"s named Kissenger / soros etc.
Pandamonia 6 months ago
911 FBI - MARK ATINSLY – ARIZONA
LATELIERDELALIBERTE 6 months ago
All ya dandies prancing about the comments section with your heads full of SHIT. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Gurgleschlortz 6 months ago
for some of you idiots who think the 9/11 could not have happened without bombs here is a lesson for you when the planes hit the towers they caught fire right then the steel and other metals in the towers were getting hot and when metal gets extremely hot it weakens it and make it give way under the humongous weight of the building therefore the towers collapsed and fell to the ground like a giant sand castle when you step on it.
kdkreig1998 7 months ago
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys And another thing: those "people" who have been bribed to act, they're Americans too, and the assertion that they are all complicit in a mass-murder is a serious assault on the morality of a whole nation. Conspiracies fail easily when they contain a handful of people (eg. Watergate), never mind thousands, so how is this "conspiracy" suddenly the world's best kept secret? These allegations need explicit, concrete evidence, not gregarious oratory and pseudo-scientific non-sequitors.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste No, your youth & ignorance didn't go unnoticed. You keep confirming you have NOT read any of the info thoroughly in context & evidently have a mental block / selective comprehension with anything that differs from your preconceived assumptions & programming. Can't get it through that fog that there was NO "mass-murder" of any citizens? That's what 'hoax' means! Ergo, no guilty conscience for the perps whose dupes & agents were probably fooled it was their 'patriotic' duty also.
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
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The longest running account of the attacks on 9/11....
'Tuesday Morning in September'
The most complete video account in real-time
from a single source, and vantage that exists.
Yes, from that day covering the 9/11 attacks.
'Tuesday Morning in September'
Never before seen. Something the news
did not show you.
TuesdayMorningInSept 7 months ago
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When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
Chile in 1973, and killed 50,000
Vietnam war and killed millions
N. Korea and killed millions
Libya in 1987 and killed 15,000
Iraq and have killed over? a million
Afghanistan and have killed 300,000
They disregard human life for victory.
Yet their acts are not terrorism?
Almightyfull 8 months ago
Uhhh...this is no CGI...you people are idiots.
venomscurse3 8 months ago
im sorry but terrorists would not have taken over my plane with knives
RollinTheBlount 8 months ago
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The most complete video account in real time
from a single source and vantage that exists.
Yes, from that day covering the 9/11 attacks.
Tuesday Morning in September
TuesdayMorningInSept 9 months ago
@diemuslimsdie1 Q E D! lol Just proved my point, but it is sad that you're too ignorant to realize the historic irony of what you just said. ;)
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”—Hitler
“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.” —Gandhi
“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” —Thomas Jefferson
JehanneDeLys 9 months ago 7
@diemuslimsdie1 No one ever said the towers were not destroyed, genius*, only that we've never been told OR shown HOW they were really demolished. Duh!
If/when you ever actually learn to read & spell properly, maybe your attention span, comprehension & cognitive ability to follow logically consistent thoughts may improve. Unlikely, of course, considering your obvious bigotry & blind belief in govt-media propaganda by your chosen sn.
JehanneDeLys 9 months ago 3
and sister, we're not kennel when they can come to her?
MegaDusancar 9 months ago
These are just self-interest and retarded as you can not do it, to see jel your brain has not reached that level of development
MegaDusancar 9 months ago
Want more dead Americans, dead American a good American. Kill all Americans Greetings from Serbia by Dusan
MegaDusancar 10 months ago
@MegaDusancar fuck you
citrons666 9 months ago
@citrons666 with your sister? Give me the address and tell me when I was free.
MegaDusancar 9 months ago
@MegaDusancar no with your dog. Just get a life you fucking alibian/arabian terorist. :* have a nice day.
citrons666 9 months ago
@citrons666 I am a Serb. you motherfucker retarded, I hate them and you and you with them and we fought. But you Americans are all retarded, you know nothing. I do not know if we're smart enough, or have you remained so stupid.
MegaDusancar 9 months ago
@MegaDusancar lol us stupid fag. Im not american, im from europe, so fuck you serb. serbia , arabia all terorists. everyone the same. ok dude, now go buy some life :)
citrons666 9 months ago
well, you're really for observation. It is true that the Arab zenlje called Serbian fighters to fight for them, because they are the best in the world. And we support Libya. And you are all stupid or do not know why Libya was attacked just listening to what you say politicians. And for you stupid to tell Libya were attacked because of oil to the U.S. entered and pulled oil. And the French because they failed business with Libya and to take money from NATO as military operations.
MegaDusancar 9 months ago
@MegaDusancar oh, so why you hate americans. ok f**k that all, im going to play guiar. bye
citrons666 9 months ago
Blocking users; quiet, but known.
Can still reply in the open, but none in the direct contacting kind of way.
CameraPlanetArchive doesn't represent any government directly. They just make available as many video clips as they can find. Calling something a (Hoax) only truly works, if only very few people actually saw it. When it's been seen by thousands, it can not be called a hoax. Consider this a warning, and leave me the fuck alone!
Fieve.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
If I had an Amateur 911 clip.
I *Would* copyright it, and register it.
Why?
I would do so, to protect it's material.
There's many *LEGAL* reasons to do this, and many felt the need,
Companies were setup, the very same day, for people to send in their recordings.
There were news stations, setup, to even broadcast it, the same day, if you could get it in on time. But there were so many ppl more worried about others lives, that some didn't get em in till the next day.
Twits! (Theorists.)
Fieve.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@FievelJ69 Typically, you obviously didn't review the refs & vids cited before spouting more assumptions from willful ignorance & of course resorting to ad hominem insults. If you ever develop a genuine interest in learning what real, independent researchers have found over the past 5 years (i.e. professional engineers, videographers etc. NOT the cointelpro, controlled disinfo "truther" groups/leaders: Jones, Avery et al), try checking the refs provided e.g. tinyurl DOT com /SalemNews-SeptClues
JehanneDeLys 10 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Reported.
Not to youtube, but to NIST.gov
I am sick and tired of the thousands of theorists making claims, some even professionals.
Anyone can lie, but people witnessing it, don't lie.
(Noted)
Fieve.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@FievelJ69 LOL, you're really dumb! *Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts*: "Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed."– Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof. Dept of Psychology University of Warwick:
tinyurlDOTcom /UKpsych-study
JehanneDeLys 10 months ago
@JehanneDeLys I am not interested in some bullshit claims, that the whole thing was some sort of hoax.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS ARE NO MORE. EMERGENCY WORKERS FROM MY AREA, ASSISTED SHANKSVILLE. HOW BOUT YOU TALK TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE. THEY WILL SAY THE SAME THING. PUNCH YOU OUT, SPEAKING THAT WAY. I WAS THERE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL SAY. I HAVE TALKED TO A NEW YORKER TOO. EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN PA. THEY SAW THE DAMN FUCKING PLANES. THERE'S OTHER THEORIES TOO YOU KNOW.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@FievelJ69 No one saw any "planes" except on TV! Spouting silly assumptions in defiance of known facts, physics & psychology only prove your ignorance of technical facts & inability to follow logic. Try actually learning what the evidence IS before making an ass of yourself. The empty towers were demolished, but only the perps know or saw HOW they were destroyed. If you didn't have doubts why so hysterical about defending your blind belief in corporate controlled gov & media fraud, hmmm?
JehanneDeLys 10 months ago
@JehanneDeLys REMOTE CONTROLLED PLANES. THAT'S ONE OF MANY OTHER THEORIES. BUT THIS HOAX BULLSHIT IS BY FAR THE WORST OF ALL. THIS IS ALSO ABUSING MYSELF, AND MY COUNTRY. THEY TELL THE TRUTH, AND YOU FUCKING PEOPLE CALL THEM LIARS. I GO BY A SINGLE TRUTH, WHICH JUST SO HAPPENS, IS EASIER TO PROVE. WHAT R U, LIKE 18? 20? WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS FAST ENOUGH TO DO ONE THE SPOT, QUICK. AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT AN EASY TO SEE INDICATION. TAKE STAR WARS AS EXAMPLE. EVEN THE NEWER EFFECTS, I CAN PINPOINT
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@JehanneDeLys EXACTLY WHERE THE BLUE SCREEN IS, BY JUST DOING ONE SIMPLE ZERO IN ON A SINGLE OBJECT. I FIND NONE OF THAT WITH 911 FOOTAGE. IT WOULD'VE TAKEN HOURS TO PROCESS ALL OD THAT OUT, EVEN FUCKING TODAY. IT HAS TO BE DONE MANUALLY, BECAUSE THE COMPUTER ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT THOSE FINE LINES. THEY ARE SO DAMN EASY TO SPOT. YOU ARE UNDER 24, THAT'S EASY TO SPOT.
I KNOW MY FUCKING COMPUTER SHITE, LOOK FOR FIEVEL WALKING PAST THE PENTAGON'S CCTV IN MY ONE VIDEO!!!!!
FIEVE.....
FievelJ69 10 months ago
Imagine the people stuck all the way up....under the crashing site... I wonder if they realized the building was going to crush.. it's really sad..
EuropeanGuy87 10 months ago
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'Tuesday Morning in September';
The Cathartic Experience of 9/11.
It is a phenomenon on many levels.
It is what 9/11 was to us all, outside
the first ring at Ground Zero, and is
respectful to those who perished, and
or had loved ones who were lost on
that paradigm shifting day.
It is the retrospection that is needed
for our time.
TuesdayMorningInSept 10 months ago
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'Tuesday Morning in September';
The Cathartic Experience of 9/11.
It is a phenomenon on many levels.
It is what 9/11 was to us all, outside
the first ring at Ground Zero, and is
respectful to those who perished, and
or had loved ones who were lost on
that paradigm shifting day.
It is the retrospection that is needed
for our time.
Supersynapsis 11 months ago
@tokeitup brainwashed noob
gwenzini 11 months ago
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9*11 was an inslde job
Kbonefan 11 months ago
9/11= JEWISH JOB
MrWafflehouse99 1 year ago
W A N T E D
a video that clearly shows a "real plane" crashing into the pentagon,i'm "real sure" somebody out there has the proof,after all it's one of the worlds most secure buildings,covered from every angle by cctv cameras..c'mon people i'll pay cold hard cash.
cartoonplanes 1 year ago 2
How easily psyops & TV fakery work: "Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts"
"Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed.”
- Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof Dept of Psychology University of Warwick tinyurl . com / UKpsych-study
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago 4
watch 1:28 and tell me how they faked this. the video is called "The 2nd World Trade Center Attack: 43 angles"
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 You're not interested in learning how they were all faked (+ explosions & smoke), are you? If you were even slightly curious you'd have checked the videos & site refs I gave you. FYI, of the alleged "amateur" vids, about 45 total, most are attributed to individuals (fronts) in the media, film & graphics industry. For any who are really interested, read:
The "Amateur" Imagey: septemberclues.info /faq_2.htm
septemberclues.info /visual_control.htm
septemberclues.info /vicsims.htm
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago 15
@JehanneDeLys actually i have looked up alot of stuff like this. Did you watch the video i asked? If you did then please explain to me how they faked that one shot. Funny how people believe they are faked when my uncle was in manhattan and saw the first plane from church street. I honestly dont think there was any imaging used but that is my opinion. I do think there is something else that happened that day that helped the towers come down though. Not thermite though.
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 OMG, not ANOTHER "uncle"! LOL I've lost count of the Youtube teen trolls with "uncles" either "lost" in or "witnessing" 9-11 events. Wow, "uncles" (at some 'uncles' convention?) must have incredible eyesight &/or bad luck LMAO. Look, kid, if you can't support your belief in the govt-media story of "planes" & "victims" with any real facts or evidence, don't resort to the typical refuge of trolls & shills by lying for them (or repeating the lies of others). "Planes" were only ON TV!
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys I really couldnt care if you believe me. There are countless other people that saw the planes. But im sure they must all be part of a conspiracy. And i did support my belief. Watch the clip i pointed out. Explain to me how imaging can do that. Btw you shouldnt shoot down any beliefs that oppose your own. People have opinions and i respect yours but i just want to share with you what i know about the events.
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 "Opinions" & "beliefs" that contradict known facts, physics & common sense are not valid arguments nor can it "support" anything. You keep referring to an absurd cartoon plane on faked video that is such obviously bad cgi it's beyond a joke. If you can't tell they're not real "planes" or why the speeds & physics are impossible, check the site refs & videos I gave you that show exactly how & why. If you don't want answers, fine, but don't keep arguing from ignorance. Ok?
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys You still haven't answered me about the one clip i asked you about. It is impossible to fake that. Your telling me that the thousands and thousands of people in new york that day are involved in the conspiracy? Just think about this with an open mind if you will. Dont you think that if there were no planes on that day that someone that had an angle that could see the "flightpath" would say something?
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 I answered you re the cartoon plane clip – IF/when you want to know how & why, review the video pro's detailed analyses! FYI, the "thousands of witnesses" myth is a propaganda meme started & perpetuated BY the Media. The only place New Yorkers saw any "planes" was ON TV. To understand how easily psyops & compelling imagery works to manipulate consensus reality, learn about psychology & what the OODA loop is. Google: "Information Warfare by Prof George J Stein".
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys so your saying i was basically brain washed by the media? ok cool, and there is no possible way you are being brainwashed by professors and people that want to get there 15 minutes of fame. And like i said before my uncle was in new york and saw the first plane. Hey he didnt see the second plane so your imaging stuff might be right on that one. Btw how do you know that nobody saw the planes on those days, did you ask everyone in new york or just jumping to a conclusion?
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 We were ALL fooled by the "shock & awe" psyop & TV imagery on 9-11, some woke up to it sooner than others, started to question & examine it. Since ALL alleged film of 9-11 events was proven faked over 5 years ago, the obvious question then is, if the govt's story were true, why would they need to fake ANY of it? It was a HOAX to ratify war! Your "uncle" didn't see any "plane" anywhere except ON TV! (Btw, the article on Information Warfare I cited was written in 1995)
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
where is superman when you need him..
thingjimenez 1 year ago
The first catastrophe in what turned out to be a dacade of catastrophes; hopefully the 2010s will be better than the 2000s; somehow, I doubt it, though...
christiandior1947 1 year ago
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9/11 was inside job as a excuse to take over Middle East oil.
justicepartyuk 1 year ago
better yet how did they let 5 Muslims set off metal detectors and they where all boarding the same plain lol ... the plains are going in and out of radar and still no alarming sign that screams the plains have been hijacked .. really .. forget the fact that only the towers collapsed .. what about the plain that his the pentagon that disappeared.. its an INSIDE JOB
flamarella 1 year ago 3
NEW YORK IS CURED CITY LOL IN EVERY DISASTER MOVIE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT LOL! THIS TRAGEDY WAS RANDOM
BekaZed 1 year ago
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MiddleVillageRockers 1 year ago
This was a false flag attack.And the Bush admin. is got thier hands in it.!!!!
eds1994fatboy 1 year ago
inside job..
BlitzAMV 1 year ago
Really great video, esp. the close-ups of the working / blinking antenna on the roof of North Tower
filmerado 1 year ago
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I WANT TO SAY : BIG RESPECT TO THOSE HIGHJACKERS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EASY TO HIT THE TWIN TOWERS LIKE THEY DID SO PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THOSE TALENTED HIGHJACKERS ? MAY THEIRS SOULS REST IN PEACE .
tchoupac1 1 year ago
lets make movies about it and commemoritive coins "we will never forget" how many bombings happen in other countries all the time! Oh i forgot, we are special
rmecrowe 1 year ago
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9/11 was no more than a satanic ritual that will give to the followers of satan more powerful to controle the world they hide them selves behind the NWO (New World Order) but when you turn the letters NWO become ZMO ( Zionist Masonic Ogrich)
google that u will find out a lot of satan who want to distroy the world and take mankind away from worshipping ALLAH almighty
you have to know that they are preparing an other one in 2012
winskovable 1 year ago
I'm not american, but I get so god damn angry when I see this, I love New York with every bit of my heart. I'm from Toronto, and I want to be a fireman because FDNY has inspired me. I hope one day I can be as brave and classy as these men and women.
CDNBrit12 1 year ago
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hi see my channel at you tube zeid67 i up loaded a scientific documentary made by 8 scientists from Denmark regarding 9 11 this was forbidden to be put i in USA Media by the goverment
zeid67 1 year ago
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TheRealistShitAround 1 year ago
God bless all the people that were murdered by the american goverment on that day.
the14u36 1 year ago
@the14u36 Burn in hell. Other than that, there is really no amount of words to describe how WRONG you are.
CaptHyatt 1 year ago
@CaptHyatt u just try and prove it, u cant
the14u36 1 year ago
@the14u36 So, your basically telling me, the American government hired terrorist to hijack planes, and told them to take out the economic heart of New York City and international landmarks, while in that prosses, killing thousands of our own innocent people? Is that really what runs through your mind everytime you go to bed.
I don't have to prove anything. Ask any American, that's your proof right their jackwad. (You don't count, you're not American)
CaptHyatt 1 year ago
@CaptHyatt no dout in my mind what so ever, and im sure most of the educated public agrees with me
the14u36 1 year ago
a sta je sa Srbijom i gomilom porusenih mostova i zgrada...Sta je sa toliko nevinih ljudi koji su stradali zbog americke politike,da ne govorim o Iracanima...e to je katastrofa mnogo veca od ove! Žao mi je nevinih ljudi koji su stradali u ovim zgradama,ali za to nisu krivi teroristi nego sama Amerika!!!!!!
TinicaNs1986 1 year ago
R.I.P to all them all... To day is day we never forgett..... Peace / Victor
rareu4532 1 year ago
Please, this is not you recording, you should take your name off the video, out of respect please do it
Glinka19 1 year ago
@Glinka19 what are u talkin about.? the camre planet archive got videos from different sites and posted them all for YOUR ASS to be watchin if it wasnt 4 them u wouldnt be here watchin this video so please stop complaining and appreciate it
megaflowcity 1 year ago
I am sick of the tolerance to the intolerants. Get rid of that fucking mosque, some guy threatens to burn their religious book and they take to the streets threatening death etc. yet THE AMERCIAN politicians condemn him and let them do whatever? May the victims never be forgotten. The minority have fucking sway now. Its absurd. This is one of the worst days in American history. The people jumping are some of the most shocking images ever.
iloveneytiri 1 year ago
Sad that it has to take a disaster like this to make people treat each other decently.
Asxhmoula 1 year ago
man, i still remember this day and will always remember it. I was in the 2nd grade then...
Hummers222 1 year ago
I coach little league football. Each year on the anniversery I'd ask my team, 'Do you boys know what happened a year ago today? (or two years ago - etc.). Now they weren't even born when this happened. I was born in 1963 and I remember the 10 year anniversery of JFK and people saying "It's hard to believe it's been 10 years." God bless America
1967mustanggta 1 year ago 2
Why did they not scramble intercepters after the first plane changed course. It would be to late to stop the first plane but they could have prevented any others hitting the towers?
frontline88888888 1 year ago
@frontline88888888 yes but they did not realize it was an attack when the first plane hit, they thought it was an accident until the second plane hit.
JoshCF1 1 year ago
@JoshCF1 Oh okay thanks I didn't know that
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Invesigator 1 year ago
Every time when I see that building collapse or what else, or a video of it, I'm getting really sad... I just can't believe it, and really, I wish it never happend. The buildings were the sign of America, if you see a poster of America, its used to see 2 big twin towers. But now, now you only see the church getting all over those buildings, and not the heart of America... really sad
TheLycrizz 1 year ago
its bush's fault he did shit to iraq first killing people there not entirely the muslims guyz fault
AjitGillmvp8 1 year ago
Why?
MegaStevie666 1 year ago
9/11 was defiantly an inside job. That's the only way to explain how all three buildings collapse in a symmetrical, free-fall manner into their own basements.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 No, there are other more scientific and factual ways to explain it however you and every other 9/11 conspiracy theorist out there choose to ignore them. If anything you try to cover up the truth which is ironic since you consider yourselves to be "truthers".
derekxnl 1 year ago 3
@derekxnl lol you don't know what you're talking about kid. You clearly didn't do your research.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 If the buildings fell at (or faster than - as some claim) free fall speed how can you explain the debris that broke away from the towers during the collapse falling faster than the collapsing tower itself? Furthermore, if these were symmetrical controlled demolitions as you claim, how can you explain the different tilts exhibited by all 3 buildings during their collapses? If you can answer these questions scientifically instead of just trying to insult me I will take you seriously.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@derekxnl Why should I explain myself so technically to a bunch of kids?
The bottom line is that steel-frame structures are built to a tolerance that could withstand a direct hit and fire like what happened to those towers. If you look on record building 6 was totally engulfed in flame and almost destroyed by falling debris, yet was still standing the day after. It is so unlikely that a building can completely collapse on itself, that the only realistic explanation is shaped-charge explosives.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@derekxnl Let's look at motives and rationale. If you look into history of World War II there are many examples of what's known as a "false-flag" from such countries as Japan, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and the United States. Operations like AJAX and NORTHWOODS which were documented plans for the US military to stage terrorist attacks as a pretext for war with Cuba. Even as recent as the Alfred P. Murrah building; Tim McVeigh did NOT work alone. This is standard operating procedure.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@derekxnl If you've read the NIST report about the collapse of Building 7 you would know that this was the first time in human history that fire has caused such a collapse. In order to get Building 7 to collapse so smoothly, without tipping into the street and other buildings, ALL vertical columns supporting the building would need to be destroyed at the same time. What a coincidence indeed, that fire can cause such a perfect demolition job while others need to pay engineers for such results.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 September 11th had a lot of firsts. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner.
derekxnl 1 year ago 4
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tokeitup10 1 year ago
@derekxnl WTC was NOT the first building in human history to be struck by an aeroplane. Likewise, was not the first time fires were "left to burn". Have you forgotten about war? About air raids, and the firebopmbing of Berlin? The airplane crash into I think the Empire State building?
You are choosing to ignore very obvious facts.
You're going off-topic because you can't refute the evidence I brought fourth. Please, comment on what I posted or don't comment at all.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse.
derekxnl 1 year ago 4
@derekxnl Your age is quite obvious at this point, as well as the age of your supporters. (Not that I expected any adults to comment here, YT is full of children). You are so wrong that it sickens me. Stop pretending like you understand complex mathematics and it's application to architecture and demolition, because you obviously don't from what you posted.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 Once again you have chosen to try and insult me rather than give evidence supporting your claim. Yes, a B-25 Mitchell bomber struck the Empire State Building I will not deny that. However, the B-25 that struck the Empire State Building was going 225mph at the time of impact, not 500+mph like the jets that struck the World Trade Center. Also, the B-25 was much smaller, and was not a jet plane but a propeller driven plane. I have refuted all evidence you have put forth.
derekxnl 1 year ago 3
@derekxnl I"m insulting you because you're stupid. You are nothing but a child, so that's how you're going to be treated. I don't need to spoon-feed you information, moron.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@tokeitup10 Well, if you want people to take you seriously and if you want to support your unfounded claims then you must provide evidence to do so. I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to give you a chance to argue your position because I have better things to do. So, you can continue spreading your conspiracy theory nonsense. Let's see where it gets you. The rest of the world realizes there is no conspiracy involved with 9/11, when will you?
derekxnl 1 year ago 3
@derekxnl "you must provide evidence" LMFAO
YouTube is not a court of law. You're full of yourself, kid. You must really have no life to revive a month old topic to demand that I provide you with evidence.
I had a good laugh though.
tokeitup10 1 year ago
@derekxnl Not much point debating the physics of CGI created imagery. The towers were demolished, they're gone, but there is no real footage of the actual event. To understand how the TV networks psyops hoax was achieved & why, visit septemberclues.info
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys You know that really makes sense. Not really. You conspiracy theorists are just digging a deeper & deeper hole for yourselves every time you speak. Yes, it's so simple. The government blew up the towers in the middle of New York, one of the largest cities in the world and somehow managed to take every single video recording of the event and replace them with CGI footage. And not one single person who's "in on it" has talked to this day. Way too complicated for the Gov. to pull of..
derekxnl 1 year ago
@derekxnl That's why it needed the TV networks to pull it off. You believe everything the govt & corporate controlled media tells you is true without question? Like the "conspiracy theory" of 19 youths with box cutters outfoxed the US Defense systems & NORAD to fly ghost jets into buildings & defy the laws of physics? So why has EVERY video of the alleged event been exposed as cgi created fraud? (Ever heard of HERF jamming used by the military?). Research the evidence before you ridicule ;)
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys If you knew me you'd know that I have absolute hatred for corporate media and also for the way our government handles things. It's foolish to think that terrorists intent on harming Americans couldn't hijack a plane armed with boxcutters and fake bombs. I would like to see you defend yourself from a surprise attack by a violent man armed with a lethal weapon in cramped quarters.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys And if you really knew anything about physics then you'd also realize that there is nothing suspicous about how the events of 9/11 unfolded. Everything has a rational explanation for what happened. You have a persistent belief in a delusion that is completely unphased by any evidence that contradicts your belief. It's part of a real mental disorder called Paranoid Schizophrenia. Your behavior suggests you may have it along with most other conspiracy theorists. Please, get help.
derekxnl 1 year ago 2
@derekxnl How does it make sense to name call or ridicule what you have no clue about & don't even want to see the evidence for & you're only 18? Take the challenge, dare to look & see for yourself. Check out the vids on tv fakery, 911 actors, 911 vicsims & september clues by simonshack. No one can teach you to see, that's your choice. Just know it's a proven fact that no "amateur" video of 9-11 exists that is not a cgi forgery.
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago 20
@JehanneDeLys Why don't you go to Iran so you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can discuss all these irrational conspiracies you both believe in. That's right, the xenophobic, racist, sexist, jihadist man who claims the Holocaust was a hoax also believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Conspiracy theories are and always will be a joke because they just aren't real. If a conspiracy theory were true it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory. Don't tell me to look at evidence when you're the one believing delusions.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@JehanneDeLys can you explain to me then videos that follow a close up shot of the plane hitting the building? i guess people just randomly followed the sky towards the building and timed it correctly with the explosion
TheOilerfan18 1 year ago
@TheOilerfan18 Are you serious? The video footage is ALL faked using CGI layering! If you don't understand how it was done, watch the video experts' analyses. See simonshack's videos:
September Clues (all parts)
Foxed Out
Nosed Out
Visit septemberclues.info enter the main site & click the relevant articles that explain it in detail, e.g. "Imagery Analyses" > septemberclues.info /wtc_airplanes.htm
JehanneDeLys 1 year ago 3
@JehanneDeLys Its a proven fact that no amateur vid of 9 11 existi that is not a cgi forgery??? what the hell are you saying that this was fake and no one seen it ???
MrTrapper1017 11 months ago
@MrTrapper1017 That's right, no genuine film of alleged 9-11 events exists, both TV "live" & "amateur" are frauds using the same templates (from 1 studio source). For comprehensive FAQ & analyses, go to septemberclues.info, enter the main site & find specific title links to articles, e.g. 'The "Amateur" Imagery': septemberclues.info /faq_2.htm.
JehanneDeLys 11 months ago
@JehanneDeLys So it was all a big hoax. They had on the spot computers running at todays speeds, back in 2001. They hoaxed many people seeing the hijackers boarding the planes. the hoaxed all the separate news papers. they faked the crash just six counties away from me, and managed to fake the Pentagon too.
while there's only a single close up shot of the first hit, with someone yelling something along the line of, oh Fuck, holy shit! And it's the only reason the guy even caught the first hit.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@FievelJ69 Nice demonstration of argumentum ad ignorantium, non sequiturs AND straw man fallacies lol. Prefab cgi footage & psyops don't require much sophistication, which you'd know if you had any understanding of psychology or the OODA loop. The infamous "Naudet Brothers" absurd fraud was exposed years ago, but if you still assume it was real (despite the audio giveaway!) see experts' analyses:
"Super 'Not It' World: Naudet Fakery": watch?v=l0A4BdlPmAA
"911 Amateur Part2": watch?v=yjQmxS-DpyM
JehanneDeLys 10 months ago 3
@JehanneDeLys Oh really?
And the thousands of New Yorkers, they were all paid off to pretend?
So the towers are still standing?
Freak. It seems, every other (Theorist) is from here. And there's more then one theorist story, while there's only a single official story. Amateur videos are easy to spot. Low quality, often only done in mono sound. Studio fakes, would have perfect picture, perfect sound quality, and not a single sign of tape damage from being used too many times.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 10 months ago
@JehanneDeLys by saying there's no 9 11 video that's not cgi or forgery, are you implying these videos are fake?
thewhochilipeppersU2 8 months ago
@thewhochilipeppersU2 Of course forgery means fake! NO photo or video of alleged 9-11 events is genuine. Period. Ergo, EVERY story & image presented as "real" or "live" by corporate media networks, govt & purported "witnesses" is faked to perpetuate the war ratifying hoax of 9-11. I suggest you review the genuinely independent expert research refs provided (i.e. not controlled disinfo) to fully understand the how & why.
e.g. septemberclues.info
JehanneDeLys 8 months ago
@JehanneDeLys A few things relating to the site:
1. Incosistency of accounts does not indicate a cover-up. It is perfectly conceivable that one could underestimate the size of a plane from that far or see something hit the tower and think it's a missile.
2. Even if the government tried, they couldn't fake these videos; this level of editing is astonishing for one video, never mind dozens.
3. You and the website assert your opinions as facts. You need a LOT more evidence before you can do that.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste It's clear you haven't watched or read much of the last 5 years of analyses on the septemberclues site OR anywhere else by that typical display of incomprehension, presumption & inattention. The site owner is a professional videographer & former motor sports photographer of F1! 1st clue: genuinely independent researchers don't "market" anything, unlike the disinfo clowns & fake "truth" leaders set up to cyber herd the gullible = discredit 1s too close to exposing Media fraud!
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Eh, I've read plenty of alleged conspiracy stories about 911 and am yet to find one that stands up to proper scrutiny and analysis, so don't start making personal comments about me simply because my analysis is different from yours. The site owner is "marketing" a very political slant, he/she has every bit as much of a biased agenda as these alleged "disinfo clowns" of whom you speak (whose existence seems to be assumed as fact on the basis of apparent subjective discrepancies).
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys I would also like to point out that the "inconsistencies" presented on the site are not reliable, one photo shows a plane approaching from an apparently slanted angle; this is possible by looking down from a high angle. The site also lists professional photographers and video-makers as if this casts aspersions on the validity of their pictures. That smacks of ad hominem. We have no problem with critical thinking, but we do have a problem with this aggressive conspiracy marketing.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste *Fake video dramatically alters eyewitness accounts*:
"Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed."– Dr K. Wade, Assoc Prof. Dept of Psychology University of Warwick:
tinyurlDOTcom /UKpsych-study
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys OK, with one video, it can happen. Forging many videos from many different angles and having them all match up to reasonable accuracy is very far-fetched. And none of these videos disagree outlandishly with eye-witness accounts, the margin of error is that the airplane was "small", an easy mistake to make from such a far distance! Not enough evidence pal, not enough evidence. That psychologist's last line was very speculative; it relies on everyone having imagined it to hold water!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste You've made the typical mistake of assuming there really are dozens of different "amateur" videos when they're only variations on a few pre-fab templates from one source. If you ever bother to study the exhaustive research findings of independent experts & professionals (not those controlled & paid by govt & corporate media to perpetuate the propaganda) you'd be surprised how little you know. There are no real "eyewitnesses" to any "planes" or building "collapses". Research!
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Hold on, so the site has four different videos from different angles to point out inconsistent videos, we have Youtube videos that show the plane crashing head on and crashing from the side, filmed from both the ground and from apartments, yet we're meant to believe every single one of these was generated from a few templates and that all these forgers and media groups are complicit in what would be the largest civilian mass-murder in US history. This is hearsay, not evidence!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Also, I've read and researched quite a lot of this 911 hoax stuff by now and all of it inherently contains a central premise that thousands of Americans have agreed to conspire to something morally repulsive. When you make a claim that big, you need absolutely damning evidence, not a reliance that the government, the media, the forgers, the "victims", the relatives, the witnesses, etc. have all lost sense of human morality. There's a much bigger picture that's being ignored here!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste Since you obviously haven't researched, read or understood anything about it, you're arguing from willful ignorance & naivety. NO "planes" were "hijacked" or crashed anywhere on 9-11 = NO real "victims", only lists of fake names & photos w/ agent/actors playing "witnesses" & "family" for the Media hoax to demolish empty, asbestos-filled buildings as an excuse for war to control the Middle East. Pseudo 'Truthers' endorsing "planes" & "victims" = COINTELPRO disinformation.
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Three things:
1. I presented three objections to arguments presented on the website and you ignored them. How can you accuse me of not researching when I read the content on the links you posted and I refuted them?
2. That engineer in the first link has ignored the concept of parallax. The two shots are from different angles.
3. Newton's Laws of Motion have not been violated. The momentum of a plane in flight is large enough to overcome the normal forces of the building.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste 1. You cannot "refute" what you haven't studied, experienced or understood, especially complex subjects it takes months to process from years of meticulous research. Seems the problem of this generation is limited attention span expecting instant 'download' of data.
2. Try actually reading the 9-11 logic article in full, where that parroted "angles" & "parallax" non sequitur is confuted.
3. Learn some basics about Boeing 767s & flight physics, AoA, VMO etc + WTC construction
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys 1. By definition, yes! But I have studied your claims, and I've presented objections to them! All you post are other peoples' arguments and when my analysis disagrees, you insult me and dodge the rebuttals!
2. No, it was not disproven. He casually underestimated the angular separation and concluded what is essentially an incredibly amateur error.
3. That didn't refute my argument...do you seriously think all those office blocks are not going to be blitzed by an airplane that big?
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Two can play at this links game:
debunking911DOTcom /massivect.htm (the BIG conspiracy)
youtube watch ? v = 5j_c1tPMiG0 (some flight physics - yes, I have researched it!)
911mythsDOTcom /index.php /Social_Security_Death_Index ("nonexistent" people)
911mythsDOTcom /index.php /American_Airlines_Flight_77_Calls (faked calls)
911mythsDOTcom /index.php /American_Airlines_Flight_11_Crash_Evidence (faked eye witness accounts)
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste If you ever choose to really learn what it is you 'think' you're arguing against, go to cluesforum.info & tell the seasoned experts there how they're all wrong. There's even a dedicated topic inviting all comers to "Debunk A September Clue!":
cluesforum.info
See ya there! :D
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys I didn't argue from ignorance, there is substantial video, photographic and eye-witness evidence to support what I claim. You haven't shown how thousands of people have been bribed/duped, you've just made an asserted allegation that they have, arguments ad hominem and without evidence are even more fallacious than you claim mine are!
How are your sources any more trustworthy than mine? All their talk of governmental conspiracies smacks of a biased political agenda on their part!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste You don't even know what argumentum ad ignorantium means either? OR what huge corporations own & control the media & govts? lol And persist in parroting the same Official Conspiracy Theory myth of "deaths" etc. despite the fact no one has found verifiable evidence (i.e. not hearsay) of any real deaths in any alleged 9-11 event in 10 years!
If/when you want to know what you 'think' you're arguing about, watch the original TV "live" film @ archives.org, research & learn.
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys
2 Questions:
1. If the Bush administration did this, then why is the Obama administration covering up something that:
a.it didn't do?
b.would constitute a massive blow to the reputation of the Republican Party?
2. If the media is/was in the government's back pocket then why were stories published (eg. in The New York Post) that implicated him of foreknowledge and complicity of 911?
These are two questions that need to be answered for your conspiracy claims to hold water.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste Op 9-11 was planned years in advance by those in real power who use whatever tool is in the WH at the time (& always have). Even FDR said "Presidents are not 'elected' they're selected".
FYI, shifting the burden of proof, a special case of 'argumentum ad ignorantium', is a fallacy of putting the burden of proof on anyone who denies or questions the claims being made (e.g. govt's OCT). The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys You are challenging the accepted idea that two planes crashed into the towers. We have a large body of video, photographic and eye-witness evidence to support this accepted idea. For our idea to fall, you need evidence to show that we were wrong, therefore the burden of proof is on you.
Once again you make an allegation about a conspiracy with nothing to back it up.
Once again you dodge my questions.
Once again you conflate the argument from ignorance fallacy.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste Instead of parroting straw man fallacies, try actually finding out what has already been exposed. I repeat: go to cluesforum.info -> September Clues Forum, find the Introduce Yourself topic with a link "for those new members who have basic objections to our research: [re Debunk A September Clue] you will find more than 30 challenges. You will need to convincingly rebut/disprove just 3 of your choice.." Funny, haven't seen you there yet lol
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Of course, nobody can be empirically wrong because you can claim the evidence is dodgy in absolutely any debate, but it is not argumentium ad ignorantiam to claim that my arguments are stronger than yours.
You do know that a "large body" of "video"..."eye-witness evidence" counts as evidence in any courtroom around the world don't you? Your evidence is very circumstantial, based around apparent anomalies and assumes the same expert forgers have made lots of silly amateur mistakes.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys "The govt has NOT proven its claims ever!"
And you accuse me of arguing from ignorance? What you've said is basically what I said, just from the other side of the coin!
Isn't it a little hypocritical for you to accuse me of constructing a straw man after you tried to make it look as if I had argued from ignorance?
I'm really not bothered going onto the forum. Arguing with you will keep me entertained for another while. And anyway, I have a life to live, as I'm sure you have too.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Any events were clear for any inhabitant of New York to see.
What are the odds that every single witness out of thousands in New York City were lying or bribed by the the government, with all of them perpetuating the lie? Astronomical.
Contrast that with the odds that tens of videos, hundreds of photos and thousands of consistent witness accounts constitute reliable evidence. Extremely likely.
We have evidence, you have hearsay. That's why the burden of proof is on you, not me.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste So, you don't know what argumentum ad ignorantium means, or the difference between verifiable evidence & hearsay. Repeating the "accepted idea" (consensus reality) from propaganda perpetuated by the Media (e.g. "large body" of "video"... "eye-witness evidence") IS hearsay. The govt has NOT proven its claims ever! The evidence of TV fakery & fraud is in EVERY alleged film/photo of 9-11 events for anyone to examine & see for themselves, all exposed by method revealed.
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys I don't claim you're wrong due to weak evidence (though I do claim it make your arguments lack substance). I claim you're wrong because my side is supported by strong evidence that cannot be reconciled with your claims.
A large body of photos, videos and eye-witness accounts is pretty convincing. The Bush administration couldn't have covered it up even if they tried - and the Obama administration has no motive to stay silent about, never mind cover up, their opponents' atrocities.
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys I could have added a few insults and accused you of being ignorant, foolish, deluded, blind, irrational, illogical, etc. simply for daring to have a different opinion to me, but I didn't, because that would be hypocritical of me, not to mention downright immature!
Remember, other people provide a different analysis, and if you keep on playing the man and not the ball, you're not going to convince many people! We're not automatically wrong just because we disagree with you!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste FYI, arguing from ignorance is a logical fallacy. Believe what you want, I've no interest in spoon-feeding anyone who can't tell the diff between belief & demonstrable evidence but expects instant transfer of knowledge gained by years of real experience & study in 500 character comments. Citing perp controlled sites promoting govt-media OCT propaganda devised to protect the media fakery from exposure? LOL You really have no clue how psyops or cointelpro & disinfo work, do you!
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys Ah, excellent, once again you dodge my arguments and accuse me of ignorance!
And I forgot. All those websites are merely part of a sinister governmental conspiracy where thousands of people just so happen to be so morally corrupt that they'd allow the deaths of more than 2,000 and every single one of them will keep the secret. Whereas your favourite websites are pure harbringers of truth who have absolutely no reason to have an agenda!
The burden of proof is on you, not me!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
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JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@SaigheadBhriste If you don't understand aerodynamics or physics & haven't watched the original footage aired by the TV networks with a straight face as "live" (that anyone can see for themselves on the official archive site: archive.org /details/sept_11_tv_archive )
just watch this side by side analysis that makes it easier to see:
septemberclues.info /wtc_airplanes.htm
JehanneDeLys 7 months ago
@JehanneDeLys It would be quite a pity if I didn't understand aerodynamics and physics, bearing in mind it makes up half my degree. The problem with that page is that it highlights strange angles, assumes the "forgers" have made what is an astonishingly stupid error and then deduces tinkering. Those odd angles are optical illusions created by perspective, I've encountered them before while studying technical graphics. This is not convincing evidence of foulplay!
SaigheadBhriste 7 months ago
@derekxnl
rational explanation? Like how 16 hijackers who were split up into 2 giant planes were able to resist a plane full of people and fly a plane SMOOTHLY into 2 towers? The passengers could have beaten the hijackers to death with their luggage as far as Im concerned.
NorthCitySider 1 year ago
@NorthCitySider you were not inside those planes fearing for your life...
SolidGaby 1 year ago
@NorthCitySider Are you even aware of the double standard you're imposing? According to you, the passengers on the planes who were in no way prepared to fight back against terrorists who were hell-bent on causing destruction at all costs could have beat back the group of trained/prepared terrorists who were using sharp cutting objects to quickly force their way into the cockpit and take control before anyone could do anything?
derekxnl 1 year ago
@NorthCitySider Do you also realize that the people on the plane were not all in the same area as the hijackers? Do you realize that the hijackers were already seated pretty damn close to the cockpit before they even set their plan to rush the cockpit into motion? It's not like they were at the back of the plane and made everybody aware of their intentions and gave the passengers time to set up a defensive perimeter to hold back their assault. You're willfully ignorant.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@NorthCitySider ya, that was called flight 93 fuckface. Lets put u in a plane thats been hijacked by lunatics who've stabbed the pilots and claim to have bombs. Lets see how u'd react. U wouldnt do shit. U'd be curled up in your seat, urinating in your Hello Kitty panties. Have some respect for the thousands of people who lost their lives that day.
kickyabutt 1 year ago
there´s one person that can fly...it´s president bush...this bastard
Jaecht88 1 year ago
2749 people died at the world trade center - including citizens from 87 countries 343 were new york city firemen . 84 were port authority emplyees. of whom 37 were police. another 23 were new yo