fedor was the shit for like 3 years straight...besides fedor "haters" fail to remember pride was a big tournament bracket..so now only did he beat who he fought..but he beat the man-that beat the man ect ect".thats why he was king..and 2 to him was crocop who was prime..watch their vs match..technique wise,power wise,speed wise deadly..they were on a different level.ive yet to see a ufc heavyweight champ match like that 1.
@ultimatemanofwar "cans" like Schilt 4 time K-1 champ giant top kickbxr, ex UFC champ Coleman 6 years before Randy did, Nog a legend who beat Randy and who beat guys that beat on Randy like Barnett and Ricco, owned Sylvia 36 sec who Randy Dec, Arlovski who had Randys belt. James Tony MikeVanArsedale aren't top MMA. Fedor fought more finished more got finished less and fought tourneys where he couldnt pick his fights.
@ultimatemanofwar Fedor beat the Top Heavyweights back in Pride. He has proved that he was great especially to beat them in Pride while in they were in their prime. Yes he beat some cans after he already eliminated some of the best Heavyweights in MMA.
@ultimatemanofwar you are incorrect as I cited many examples that you can go check their records. Fedor beat more top HW in their prime than Randy and in more dominant fashion. The top lvl is USA only now since Pride was bought out by UFC but for his career Fedor has 7 wins 0 losses against former UFC HW champs. You lose.
@BootlegFightVideo those top heavyweights aren't the top , the highest level is in USA , i'd like to see fedor against randy or tito ortiz or junior dos santos or marco ruas in his prime ,he wouldn't stand a chance.....
@BootlegFightVideo Fedor at one point was the best and fighting top level guys but he didnt consistently fight the competition like randy or do it as well this late into career.
@BootlegFightVideo moreover, Fedor dont take huge amount of HGH, this is the only way to keep strong when you become old, look at the henderson's acromegaly and the way he kicks all his opponents at his age :)
Fedor was the best don't call him a shit fighter because he got fucked over by his management M-1 global and Dana White. The dude fought everybody in his prime and never lossed to any of them. It's funny when Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, Quinton Jackson, & Anderson Silva came from PRIDE and all of them became UFC champions. Fedor would have done just the same if he came to the UFC in 2007. But now he is on the decline it happens to every fighter.
@ultimatemanofwar Pride actually had the Best Heavyweights at the time Fedor was in there. He beat Coleman, Big Nog, Cro Cop, Randleman, Schilt, Herring etc.
At one point Pride's divisions were better and more stacked. The UFCs divisions got more stacked once they bought Pride out and absorbed it's fighters.
@ultimatemanofwar Val, choked out prime couture in a few secs,prime Big nog choked prime Val in a few secs. prime Fedor DESTROYED prime Bignog 3 times on his feet AND on the ground
@jackw5345 Couture is 48 years old and he still can fight, Fedor is 34 years old and he is dead fighter. Couture isn`t Fedor, but talk like that about him is incorrect: power of youth is a lie, real power will be tested by age. Look at all this old ex-champs - they are nothing without youth, they get asskicking from noobs and became religious fags, but Captain America still have his power even in age. He wasn`t great as Fedor was, but he is real hero and unknowable miracle.
@user11311131 if couture is that good then why he wasn't that good when he was younger? You can't say fedor can't fight any more because of his 3 losses. Couture has 11 losses.
@Meszczak1 You think so? He will lose to Monson, he will have 12 losses if he will fight, its because his soul is old - it isn`t the same Fedor, Fedor of our days ain`t Fedor that fight without losses 9 years. All this ex-champs want to fight when they have no power anymore and became a joke, they are like poker players with bad luck, that can`t stop and want to lose all their money. But Couture, an old man, still can fight and it is a real miracle - thats why people call him a legend.
@user11311131 in mma,but sambo is same as mma so he is doing it since he was 16,and couture is 47 still fighting because sry is now retired because he doesnt have many fights in his legs and fists body isnt expended like fedors,he wasnt undefeated and he wasnt near great fighter as fedor is,he never was champ in biggest organistaion like pride he doesnt have 6 mma titles 2 in best mma organisations RINGS and PRIDE, plus lack of motivation
I miss a normal ring fights. Now bigger and stronger fighters and wrestlers have a advantage over fast and smart fighters just pushing them to the ring and and dont letting them breath, Everyone cutting weight like crazy just to have this advantage.
@pasokim also the difference in the UFC/USA takedowns get more priority in judge scoring than Pride/Japan. Lay and Pray was never an effective tactic in Japan.
@BootlegFightVideo But wrestlers, from Japan, USA, and elsewhere still did just as well as anyone in Pride. They don't just lay and pray, they are great at transitions, have their own moves (which many people copy and wrongly assume is jiu-jitsu, like the "twister") and frankly are usually in better all-around condition with strength in any posture. The sport of folkstyle wrestling especially helps with total body speed, balance, and toughness.
@pasokim is cutting weight the best thing for every fighter to do? is there advantages to a fighter who doesnt cut weight? im asking cuz ii wanna fight in at my walking around weight. which is 150. maybe go higher. i dont wanna cut weight. im comfortable at 150... :I
@EliazaRo15 i dont know, i dont fight in PRO just training muy thai as a hobby and never count my weight or doing diet things, and as for you, you dont need to cut weight at 150 you can add 5lbs for lightweight.
@EliazaRo15 If you don't "Cut" water weight out of ur body before weighing in u are at a disadvantage if ur opponent does. U are carrying around 10 + lbs of water that can easily be shed before weigh in.
@mbranco24 kinda like frankie edgar? he doesnt cut weight from what i hear &whats the best or RIGht way of cutting that water & then getting it back. Please tell. :)
@EliazaRo15 Yea I think I heard that about frankie as well. Even if this is true it is very uncommon. Still unless ur coming in well under weight there is some water cutting necessary because of the amount of fluctuation that can occur just from drinking normal amounts of fluids. There is no universal RIGHT way to cut weight. Up to each individual to sweat it out the way that lets you feel the best as possible. For getting it back, pro fighters have over 24hrs to rehydrate slowly before fighting
@pasokim Cutting weight to have advantage? Everyone has to step on the scale and make the weight. Its up to fighters to cut down to whatever weight they will be strongest at. Complaining about guys being strong and cutting weight not being fare is ridiculous. U sound like a fool.
@FireRazor1 Its more unhealthy to go into a cage and fight a guy that is naturally 20 lbs heavier than you because he sweated out his water weight before stepping on the scale. Let me guess, you have never wrestled or competed in a sport that has weight limits???
@mbranco24 I have no, you are correct. Just a little football. I think you misunderstood what I said, but I am not really sure with the way you replied. I simply stated cutting so much weight and rehydrating is not healthy. However people do this in these sports often and there isn't anything you can do to stop them. I'm just a fan dude, don't take what I say so personal. I mean it's never healthy to lose and gain that much weight so fast. *shrug*
@pasokim ? well its good for the bigger and stronger fighters then.. like alistair overreem but i didn't complety get what you mean't.. so you're saying you miss normal sized guys who got no muscle?
NO WAY!!!! Rematch about 3 years ago would put a more dominant Randy Couture in the OCTAGON. Rings in mixed martial arts are a joke in my eyes. I add to the very few dislikes. Hate me if you must.
And to think, if Randy had won this fight, he would have faced Nogueira in the finals of this tournament.... goes to show you while RINGS was not the biggest MMA organization, so many famous fighters passed by there before going to UFC or PRIDE, and makes you think what could have been had certain fighters ( couture, fedor, nogueira) had met at this point in time....
yes some times he does do movies, but he is still fighting in the UFC, his next fight is april 30th 2011 ufc 129 and he will be fighting Loyota machita. i believe hes around 47 years old and going strong
@miamimagicians Randy is better than valentin. thats for sure. Randy's kept up with the current talent a little better. this is a still early randy before he was at his best. i say he was at his best maybe a few years ago. or maybe even now. im not sure. his next fight will show. lets watch.
@NikeDunks4me no he dirty boxes and takes people down. Randy is definitely a better fighter now than Valentinjin. Valentinjin isn't even fighting good competition. ya know for a guy who only pushes people againts a fence randy sure seems to have a good bit of finishes. i know randy is better because he has better determination and dedication. And even outside of fighting he has contributed way more to the sport than either of the reem brothers. Your used to low quality strikeforce fights.
I do have agree with; "that wrestling shit doesn't work as good with Liberal rules". Few Pride FC had l barely ay n pray results like Ericksson vs Goodridge, Coleman vs Morais
IMO striking or grappling are just as good as base, but in america everyone who wants to do a combat sport can do wrestling at school
so everyone who always wanted to be in MMA probaly did wrestling at school because it's so easy, going to a gym to train striking is something else
wrestling is not that uch the cause of being a good mma athlete, it's that most good mma athletes wrestled at school because they were already into combat sports
You can't compare your average body to Overeem's dedication and body frame.
So you're implying that he uses steroids just because he got 40 pounds of muscle in 6 fucking years?
Those are 6 years, and from a guy that fights and takes care of his body for a living is pretty damn reasonable.
Overeem is the champion for a reason, the guy starved himself and didn't do weightlifting in order to be a light heavyweight, how hard it is to understand that he's a different fighter now.
@changoooo123 Sry if I did'nt explain well enough, I suggested you to look at my facebook to give an idea that I know what I am talking about - NOT to compare me to Overeem - I'm not crazy!! I know what the regional guys do to me never mind national, continental or world level (which Overeem is!) and each of those steps mentioned are VERY big steps. I dont have an opinion of Overeem using roids. I admire him as a fighter and an amazing athlete but what I do know is that Fedor will beat him.
So you think that because you're fit you know what you're talking about?
What?
I'm fit too so what's your point?
I
t isn't even hard just lay off the snacks/soda and exercise regularly.
Also it has already been proved that Fedor can be beaten, what makes you think that a guy who's physically 10 times of what Werdum is can't beat him, his striking is world class, and his ground game has improved a whole lot.
You state Overeem to be 10X Werdum, OVEREEM HAS LOST TO WERDUM! It's your one dimensional, unconvincing ability to state a case for Overeem beating Fedor that leads me to know I'm better placed to comment on this than you. Overeem is 6'5 18st Werdum is 6'4 17st 2. Its hardly 10 times physically! If you are comparing size what about Hong Man Choi at 7'2" and 23st Fedor destroyed him. Size means nothing in this context which proves ypur knowledge to me. I'v just proved your own point to you!!!
That was in 06, how many times do i have to tell you that he's 10 times the fighter he was back then, he was a light heavy so my point stands.
Being better physically doesn't mean height and weight in numbers, hong man choi is a piece of shit if you count the win that Fedor got over him as impressive then that tells you something about Fedor, hong has 2 wins 3 losses, real hard right there.
You can't compare the pounds of muscle of Overeem to Werdum, again my point stands.
@changoooo123 Oh right I guess I'll just have to accept your point then, if it still stands! you state that Overoids is 10 times physically what Werdum is (in your head) but in reality Werdum spanked his arse in the ring!! I bet no-one ever wins an argument against you (in your head!) you are too knowledgeable!! (but in reality...
You have proved your lack of knowledge and inability to hold a convincing argument. Don't take my word for it take Sherdog's.They are independant, not affiliated to any mma organisation ie not up UFC's arse nor are they up M1 global, strikeforce or whoever else's arse. This best places them to make an unbiased rating. They have Werdum ranked as #3 hw in the world, Fedor as #4 and amazingly your hero Overeem (who is 10 times physically that Werdum is even though Werdum beat him up)ranked #8 hw,
Werdum beat up Overeem 4 years ago, when he was still a light heavy, when he didn't had the physical advantage that i'm talking about, you get it now?
I've already told you like a million times Overeem is different now, much more cardio, strength, knockout power in both hands, good wrestling, good ground game, hasn't lost in 3 years, totally different fighter, sherdog's rankings aren't skill-wise, they're result-wise.
You really think werdum is better than fedor? of course not.
@changoooo123 Come on you hv embarassed yourself here, of the several points you have made, I have proved you wrong and just to finish you in as convincing manner Fedor will do Overoid, Werdum beat Overoid in an open weight division - not LHW as you again WRONGLY state.You also state Overeem has'nt lost in 3 years - OVEROID GOT KO'd BY BADR HARI LAST YEAR.I have proved you wrong on every point you've raised(often contradicting yourself),If you cant prove me wrong on 1 thing dont bother replying.
best thing you can do is to watch all of Fedor's fights, a few documentaries and interviews to get an insight. You will discover he annihilates his opponents in a devastating style unseen by any other hw fighter. You will also see what a humble guy he is, there is no arrogance, you ill never hear him claim to be the best nor will you hear him disrespect ANY of his opponents. Unlike Brock in the UFC "im the best theres no man like me ra ra ra. Overeem too can be disrespectful of his opponents.
@changoooo123 Oh so you are racist that's what you mean and are jealous of white people because we have bigger penis's and more money than you!! So you like Overoid cos he is'nt white, ahhh now I understand, well I'll let you into a little secret his mom is white. I'll let you into another secret Fedor will kick his ass.
I'm not the one throwing racial slurs, in fact i never said anything racist in my previous comments so why do you call me racist when you're clearly the one that hates Mexicans.
I don't care about who trespasses or not, because i live in Culiacán Sinaloa and all my family has been educated, that's why i don't need to cross the border, because i have a pretty damn good life, in fact English is my third language and i still have a better level than you.
@changoooo123 Also do you know why there are no Mexicans in Star Trek? They don't work in the future either! Why don't mexicans cross the border in groups of 3? it says no TRESpassing. How do you find the richest man in Mexico? roll a penny over the border and its the first to pick it up. Whats the difference between a mexican and a ubcket of sh1te ? the bucket. orr you killin me man you are a funny guy!!
How come you label Mexicans as lazy, when the ones that cross the border end up "stealing" your jobs and doing the hardest ones.(phisically)
Also Mexico its a very wealthy country but the politicians steal the money instead of investing it in the country, for instance the average family in Culiacán has a 120000-250000 dollars house and 2-3 cars.
You're pathetic you took a MMA debate to a personal matter, clearly i've won this argument and i sure hope that you control yourself.
Well, stand ups are implemented today if the both fighters aren't doing much damage, its bad for the organization. But, if your an expert wrestler, that does dish out damage and punishment..why would the referee stand you up? The fans are loving it.
@Aikidokia expert wrestler in mma. wow. you people need to go back to the beginning of ufc, pride, etc. most expert wrestler ended up gassed after the 3rd takedown...damage? well, what person couldn't do damage from the top?
they need standup...because most wrestlers and grapplers would just lay their ass on the ground. they ARE NOT built to punch and kick for 3 to 5 rounds. not happening dude...different training.
@doctorsizzle Yes, most wrestlers. But Randy did start out as a wrestler, but evolved into an elite MMA fighter that he is now. Wrestlers are (Stated numerous times by Joe Rogan) The best form of discipline to start and start your way up from there.
Gassed out? The first U.F.C and pride? Of course they were (No sarcasm) Half of the very first fighters weren't trained that strictly or wasn't trained at all, again as MMA fighters, from a mounted position..they can dish out punishments.
@Aikidokia thanks for your comment. good points. joe rogan's a bjj practitioner...i don't think he would bash wrestling as an art neither would i. it is one sport most people in the use has access to in school. it is often the basis for many fighters because it's the only combat sport (mostly) you can do AT SCHOOL(and free!!!). rogan knows damn well the evolution of the fighter needs to surpass the confines of a wrester's gameplan, aptitude, and ability. hence...the belt holders.
@Aikidokia ...and elite, well known...yes. but that elite wrestler just got chocked out with an elementary bjj move.
i'm just saying. you need basics of grappling...if you chose wrestling ok, but here's your problem you will psychologically always want to control position/pin your opponent. do you recall when a wrestler submitted someone it was like a revelation from the creator!
have your grappling base and strike is what the elite are doing. not just wrestling or striking.
@doctorsizzle Yeah. That's why Randy said, he feels like hes just reached his prime lmao! Not maybe literally, but that's why there continuing to evolve and train to be a pure M.M.A fighter. :D
@ericssson grappling works better with less rules. Ends of rounds and standups for inaction erase a wrestler's work for takedowns and position. That's why early MMA had so many grapplers dominating.
@ericssson I think you are new. You say "shoot box" do you mean Chute Boxe where Wanderlei is from? Or do you meet Shootboxing, an mma spinoff? Or do you mean Shooto an mma org? Look at the EARLY UFC and Pride stars, 80% grapplers. The Gracies, Nog, Saku, Coleman, Kerr, Shamrock, Severn. Yes once rounds were added and standups forced strikers did much better. Wanderlei did not KO anyone in Pride until 10 when MMA had many rules. Fedor didn't come in until modern rules so you sound very new.
@doomedpumkin I guess you didn't watch early MMA most people weren't well-rounded. Notice I said early MMA not today. You noobs don't know how the sport evolved.
@BootlegFightVideo By grapplers you mean bjj practitioners right? The reason they did so well is because no one else knew what the hell they were doing. It was a completely new discipline in the sport of mma. That's why grapplers dominated in early mma, not because there were less rules. Nowadays wrestlers are dominating because they know how to defend, also they ground and pound. Take away their ability to gnp and hit the head by adding rules and bjj will have the advantage.
@mrhands555 lol...what wrestler are dominating. all belts in ufc, as an example are held by strikers. strikers meaning fighters with grappling background but focus on fight finishes by way of punches or kicks. wrestlers don't have the option of a punch or kick after round 2 or 3.
there has not been a wrestler dominate a division and hold on to a belt for more than 10-15 defenses. wrestling lost to submission grappling then...and well today they are losing to the striker.
@doctorsizzle Hold on. You are playing with the definition of wrestlers/strikers. Strikers have strong background in boxing, kickboxing etc. Wrestlers all have strong background in wrestling (GSP is an exception). Frankie Edgar, Ben Henderson, Cain Valasquez, are all wrestlers and belt holders. They are pure wrestlers who have trained in striking. But they are still wrestlers. GSP is originally a striker but he adapted wrestling and is now one of the best at it. Most contenders are wrestlers
@mrhands555 great points, but many fighters have a base in grappling or wrestling. i train in mma, my base is BJJ, not wrestling the take downs are similar, yet the finish is different. my focus is striking, that's how i want to finish. a 'pure' wrestler is gonna finish on the ground and depend...DEPEND on the takedown as his game plan. it well NEVER be to avoid take down and kick/punch-not a wrester. silva, shogun, gsp, frankie, and cain mostly finished how? GNP? naw, jack...
@mrhands555 2. cont. furthermore, LOL. how can we saw wrestlers are dominating when IT IS NOT the wrestling they are depending on to win.
friend i my base is BRAZILIAN JJ, but my striking and kicking an opponent is what will be the majority of my wins (God willing). we all start at the base of something...we all now have to evolved and include an additional level of skill.
one thing is sure...they aren't using the wrestling to finish the fight...it's striking my friend. thats the diff.
@doctorsizzle You can't finish a fight wrestling.. But wrestling is a HUGE part of winning fights. Wrestling allows fighters to avoid the takedown. It also allows fighters to control where the fight goes. If wrestlers want it on the ground, they will take you down. If they want it standing, they will use their striking and push you around. Wrestlers control fights. All good fighters use wrestling. If you fight mma, you should train wrestling because you will get controlled by stronger wrestlers
@mrhands555 wrestlers control fights. wow. just like brock was controlling the fight after getting stuffed by STRIKES? or how about every person that tried to beat Anderson Silva.
didn't dan henderson wrestle...but who got choked out.
like i said, i DO train in mma...and it's not rocket science to avoid takedown...every grappling art NOT JUST WRESTLING teaches that. furthermore, in grappling it's not so much worrying about the takedown because it's only a transition.
@doctorsizzle You forgot that Cain Valasquez is a wrestler first and foremost, but he's trained his stand up. Brock's standup is not as good. Cain controlled the fight. If he didn't have his wrestling background, Brock would have smashed him on the ground like he did to Frank Mir who is a striker and a BJJ practitioner. Let's take the Cain vs. Kongo fight...Kongo was destroying Cain in the standup, but Cain took him down and beat Kongo. Cain's wrestling allowed him to control the fight and win
@doctorsizzle pure strikers will lose to guys who wrestle. If a striker knows wresting, he can defend take downs. If the wrestlers knows how to strike and also knows bjj, he can take you down, defend from submissions, but also avoid the takedowns and keep it standing...If you want to be a good fighter, you better learn some wrestling man. All the Champions know how to wrestle and have some background in wrestling.
@doctorsizzle But you just proved my point anyways because when you say strikers with grappling background are dominating, you are re-inforcing my argument. But it doesn't matter anyways because in any respect, you have to be well rounded.
@mrhands555 ...and FINALLY, a fighter that can not or will ever be nothing but a wrestler that punches will never hold a belt past 10 wins. the proof is there friend: mark coleman, mark kerr, matt hughes, brock lesnar,
@doctorsizzle A pure striker will never hold a belt past 5 fights. A pure BJJ will never hold one as well. What's your point? Look we could go back and fourth all day. But the facts are that a fighter has to know ALL the disciplines, and that the top contenders in every division and most champions have a wrestling background. Everyone has to know striking, that's obvious, it's called MMA. Top contenders and alot of the champs have a strong wrestling background, not bjj or striking backgrounds.
@BootlegFightVideo true. but why did pride m1 and all organizations not using, unifed rules. we see strikers dominate? soccer kicks? head butts, knees to head of downed opponents, stomps to downed opponents, vertical elbows, i mean the list is endless, and is stuff strikers dominated with. in pride it was striker with half way takedown defense could destroy any grapplers.
PRIDE wasn't really dominated by strikers though, Fedor is an amazing grappler as were most of the top guys in PRIDE (Gomi being the only exception.. and he got arm triangled by the one guy smart enough to force a grappling match with him), even Wand is good on the ground (yes, even off his back - watch the Yoshida fights).
@yrrahyrrah "We were talking about wrestlers, not grapplers overall. MORON!"
As I said grappling not wrestling we were talking about grappling. Grappling covers freestyle, greco, jiu-jitsu, judo, etc. Don't say grappling if you mean wrestling, moron, they are different.
@excabilus yap! I KNOW....but well im still thinking about that!
alistair would be at the ropes in less than 1 minute though......
hes full of steroids and creamy shit inside his head,muscles vs intelligence equals to the big guy criyin´ begging for mama... jiji....but yes id love to see that guy fighting against the allmighty fedor,overeem would be asking to himself lying on the floor beaten like shit as many others in the past-shit!,what happened?-..............
@jucamo007 dude im a fan of Fedor...and i hate team Golden Glory as much as the next guy...but this was the most childish comment ive ever seen in any MMA video on Youtube...im ashamed that ur a Fedor fan....u know he lost from Werdum so hes not so good...why dont u take ur childish crappy arguments and go cheer for Lesnar or Roy Nelson for a change...they are good!! -.-
@DezertFury@DezertFury well im so happy youre a fedor fan.but there are certain things u need to know about.
everybody knows that the fedor -werdum fight was fixed.tons of dollars were bouncing from one place to another that night.u dont need to be a gambler or an expert to know that.
@dizzygemini86 ????....no f....way!!!!how much do u know about this?...i hope much more than me though....otherwise dont call idiots to people who have been following mma for years...
Randy was already 62 years old in this fight
Bcorral503 4 weeks ago
fedor was the shit for like 3 years straight...besides fedor "haters" fail to remember pride was a big tournament bracket..so now only did he beat who he fought..but he beat the man-that beat the man ect ect".thats why he was king..and 2 to him was crocop who was prime..watch their vs match..technique wise,power wise,speed wise deadly..they were on a different level.ive yet to see a ufc heavyweight champ match like that 1.
HonzoHasegawa 1 month ago
how overeem winked at 0.56 sec
funny
shinjigaiden 1 month ago
let's face it people ...Couture fought against top contenders while Fedor fought against cans ....plus the best level of MMA fighting is in USA....
ultimatemanofwar 1 month ago
@ultimatemanofwar "cans" like Schilt 4 time K-1 champ giant top kickbxr, ex UFC champ Coleman 6 years before Randy did, Nog a legend who beat Randy and who beat guys that beat on Randy like Barnett and Ricco, owned Sylvia 36 sec who Randy Dec, Arlovski who had Randys belt. James Tony MikeVanArsedale aren't top MMA. Fedor fought more finished more got finished less and fought tourneys where he couldnt pick his fights.
BootlegFightVideo 1 month ago 22
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@BootlegFightVideo dude Fedor has fought against cans , i respect your opinion but to me the top level in MMA is un USA at the UFC .....
ultimatemanofwar 1 month ago
@ultimatemanofwar Fedor beat the Top Heavyweights back in Pride. He has proved that he was great especially to beat them in Pride while in they were in their prime. Yes he beat some cans after he already eliminated some of the best Heavyweights in MMA.
MMAUpdater 1 month ago
@ultimatemanofwar you are incorrect as I cited many examples that you can go check their records. Fedor beat more top HW in their prime than Randy and in more dominant fashion. The top lvl is USA only now since Pride was bought out by UFC but for his career Fedor has 7 wins 0 losses against former UFC HW champs. You lose.
BootlegFightVideo 1 month ago 12
@BootlegFightVideo those top heavyweights aren't the top , the highest level is in USA , i'd like to see fedor against randy or tito ortiz or junior dos santos or marco ruas in his prime ,he wouldn't stand a chance.....
ultimatemanofwar 1 month ago
@BootlegFightVideo Fedor at one point was the best and fighting top level guys but he didnt consistently fight the competition like randy or do it as well this late into career.
TheTsh905 1 week ago
@BootlegFightVideo moreover, Fedor dont take huge amount of HGH, this is the only way to keep strong when you become old, look at the henderson's acromegaly and the way he kicks all his opponents at his age :)
fedor on his prime >> ALL
bdemare00 1 week ago
@ultimatemanofwar lmfao you are so fucking stupid
tkotomy 3 weeks ago
@ultimatemanofwar actually before prides decline pride fighters were FAR more dominant
calden 3 weeks ago
Fedor was the best don't call him a shit fighter because he got fucked over by his management M-1 global and Dana White. The dude fought everybody in his prime and never lossed to any of them. It's funny when Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, Quinton Jackson, & Anderson Silva came from PRIDE and all of them became UFC champions. Fedor would have done just the same if he came to the UFC in 2007. But now he is on the decline it happens to every fighter.
scapolaris90 1 month ago 3
@ultimatemanofwar Pride actually had the Best Heavyweights at the time Fedor was in there. He beat Coleman, Big Nog, Cro Cop, Randleman, Schilt, Herring etc.
At one point Pride's divisions were better and more stacked. The UFCs divisions got more stacked once they bought Pride out and absorbed it's fighters.
MMAUpdater 1 month ago
@ultimatemanofwar well actually its completely the opposite, randy never fought in pride, ufc has only recently been the top promotion
steady2wheels 2 weeks ago
@ultimatemanofwar how old are you?
bdemare00 1 week ago
@ultimatemanofwar Val, choked out prime couture in a few secs,prime Big nog choked prime Val in a few secs. prime Fedor DESTROYED prime Bignog 3 times on his feet AND on the ground
bdemare00 1 week ago
@ultimatemanofwar WTF????
top level is not in USA.
sorry to break the news to you, but, ufc is like the wwe of mma.
go suck dana's cock.
Rusty Couture fought better contenders overseas.
(ASIA)
206ernesto 2 days ago
overeem is a beast!
erwillrockn 3 months ago
@erwillrockn no he is not
TheDomy24 3 months ago
couture is shit. I don't understant why people call him a legend
Meszczak1 3 months ago
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randy couture sucks cant belive people at one point thougt he had a chance to win against fedor
jackw5345 4 months ago
randy couture sucks cant belive people at one point thougt he had a chance to win against fedor
jackw5345 4 months ago
@jackw5345 Couture is 48 years old and he still can fight, Fedor is 34 years old and he is dead fighter. Couture isn`t Fedor, but talk like that about him is incorrect: power of youth is a lie, real power will be tested by age. Look at all this old ex-champs - they are nothing without youth, they get asskicking from noobs and became religious fags, but Captain America still have his power even in age. He wasn`t great as Fedor was, but he is real hero and unknowable miracle.
user11311131 4 months ago
@user11311131 if couture is that good then why he wasn't that good when he was younger? You can't say fedor can't fight any more because of his 3 losses. Couture has 11 losses.
Meszczak1 3 months ago
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@Meszczak1 You think so? He will lose to Monson, he will have 12 losses if he will fight, its because his soul is old - it isn`t the same Fedor, Fedor of our days ain`t Fedor that fight without losses 9 years. All this ex-champs want to fight when they have no power anymore and became a joke, they are like poker players with bad luck, that can`t stop and want to lose all their money. But Couture, an old man, still can fight and it is a real miracle - thats why people call him a legend.
user11311131 3 months ago
@user11311131 trt my nigga thats how he fights at his age, hes no natural lol
Ameerz14 3 months ago
@user11311131 but problem is couture started figthing in mma when he was 32 and fedor is fighting from age of 15
TheDomy24 3 months ago
@TheDomy24 Couture began performing in MMA at 33 and Fedor at 23 - but am i talking about this?
user11311131 3 months ago
@user11311131 in mma,but sambo is same as mma so he is doing it since he was 16,and couture is 47 still fighting because sry is now retired because he doesnt have many fights in his legs and fists body isnt expended like fedors,he wasnt undefeated and he wasnt near great fighter as fedor is,he never was champ in biggest organistaion like pride he doesnt have 6 mma titles 2 in best mma organisations RINGS and PRIDE, plus lack of motivation
TheDomy24 3 months ago
randy couture sucks cant belive people at one point thougt he had a chance to win against fedor
jackw5345 4 months ago
so much for a TAKEDOWN as a 'game changer'.
LOL.
doctorsizzle 4 months ago
Grappler vs strike! The strike submits de grappler!! kahahahah
Figth is figth...
taekwondorenacer 5 months ago
Fight would have been vastly different under unified rules.
Livesunderabridge1 5 months ago
It'd go differently today.. Despite the aging even.
forgetfulhippie 7 months ago
Pride is the best.
mbrushoff 7 months ago
2:00 anderson silva gives secrect training to the overreems
thehoax66 7 months ago
1042 kg ?
JacksonXxXWaWa 7 months ago
Couture would fight him again today.. crazy ol fucker! got to love RANDY!!
jerryiscountry185 7 months ago
I miss a normal ring fights. Now bigger and stronger fighters and wrestlers have a advantage over fast and smart fighters just pushing them to the ring and and dont letting them breath, Everyone cutting weight like crazy just to have this advantage.
pasokim 7 months ago 6
@pasokim also the difference in the UFC/USA takedowns get more priority in judge scoring than Pride/Japan. Lay and Pray was never an effective tactic in Japan.
BootlegFightVideo 7 months ago 18
@BootlegFightVideo It shouldn't be anywhere!
kallador1 7 months ago
@BootlegFightVideo But wrestlers, from Japan, USA, and elsewhere still did just as well as anyone in Pride. They don't just lay and pray, they are great at transitions, have their own moves (which many people copy and wrongly assume is jiu-jitsu, like the "twister") and frankly are usually in better all-around condition with strength in any posture. The sport of folkstyle wrestling especially helps with total body speed, balance, and toughness.
abbeykroeter 5 months ago
@pasokim is cutting weight the best thing for every fighter to do? is there advantages to a fighter who doesnt cut weight? im asking cuz ii wanna fight in at my walking around weight. which is 150. maybe go higher. i dont wanna cut weight. im comfortable at 150... :I
EliazaRo15 7 months ago
@EliazaRo15 i dont know, i dont fight in PRO just training muy thai as a hobby and never count my weight or doing diet things, and as for you, you dont need to cut weight at 150 you can add 5lbs for lightweight.
pasokim 7 months ago
@EliazaRo15 If you don't "Cut" water weight out of ur body before weighing in u are at a disadvantage if ur opponent does. U are carrying around 10 + lbs of water that can easily be shed before weigh in.
mbranco24 6 months ago
@mbranco24 kinda like frankie edgar? he doesnt cut weight from what i hear &whats the best or RIGht way of cutting that water & then getting it back. Please tell. :)
EliazaRo15 5 months ago
@EliazaRo15 Yea I think I heard that about frankie as well. Even if this is true it is very uncommon. Still unless ur coming in well under weight there is some water cutting necessary because of the amount of fluctuation that can occur just from drinking normal amounts of fluids. There is no universal RIGHT way to cut weight. Up to each individual to sweat it out the way that lets you feel the best as possible. For getting it back, pro fighters have over 24hrs to rehydrate slowly before fighting
mbranco24 5 months ago
@pasokim Cutting weight to have advantage? Everyone has to step on the scale and make the weight. Its up to fighters to cut down to whatever weight they will be strongest at. Complaining about guys being strong and cutting weight not being fare is ridiculous. U sound like a fool.
mbranco24 6 months ago 2
@mbranco24 It isn't very healthy, It obviously drains these boys. But they do what they have to do to stay on top of the game.
FireRazor1 6 months ago
@FireRazor1 Its more unhealthy to go into a cage and fight a guy that is naturally 20 lbs heavier than you because he sweated out his water weight before stepping on the scale. Let me guess, you have never wrestled or competed in a sport that has weight limits???
mbranco24 6 months ago
@mbranco24 I have no, you are correct. Just a little football. I think you misunderstood what I said, but I am not really sure with the way you replied. I simply stated cutting so much weight and rehydrating is not healthy. However people do this in these sports often and there isn't anything you can do to stop them. I'm just a fan dude, don't take what I say so personal. I mean it's never healthy to lose and gain that much weight so fast. *shrug*
FireRazor1 6 months ago
@pasokim ? well its good for the bigger and stronger fighters then.. like alistair overreem but i didn't complety get what you mean't.. so you're saying you miss normal sized guys who got no muscle?
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
lol sound
mrmega54 7 months ago
Excuses, excuses, Overeem beat Couture quicker than coulture beat a very under qualified james toney. no excuses for toney...no excuses for coulture
ThankGodImBlack370 8 months ago
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Overeem didn't have to worry about getting punched in the face. Everytime he gets punched in the face, he quits.
Livesunderabridge1 6 months ago
@Livesunderabridge1 Sometimes the last word isn't necessarily the best word, take this case for instance....
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shadough4747 8 months ago
NO WAY!!!! Rematch about 3 years ago would put a more dominant Randy Couture in the OCTAGON. Rings in mixed martial arts are a joke in my eyes. I add to the very few dislikes. Hate me if you must.
turkeyboykillintyme 8 months ago
@turkeyboykillintyme However teh cage encourages wall and stall and lay and pray.
Cenon2007 8 months ago
And to think, if Randy had won this fight, he would have faced Nogueira in the finals of this tournament.... goes to show you while RINGS was not the biggest MMA organization, so many famous fighters passed by there before going to UFC or PRIDE, and makes you think what could have been had certain fighters ( couture, fedor, nogueira) had met at this point in time....
goldturd 9 months ago
Randy is USELESS without the cage.
JdashRIDE 9 months ago
LANDY COUTUAL
Exarsh 9 months ago 4
yes some times he does do movies, but he is still fighting in the UFC, his next fight is april 30th 2011 ufc 129 and he will be fighting Loyota machita. i believe hes around 47 years old and going strong
Xander411III 9 months ago
Surprised to see Randy competing without shoes as japan allowed competitors to still wear them
Stealth892003 9 months ago
@Stealth892003 scared of heelhooks and toeholds.
BootlegFightVideo 9 months ago 6
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can't blame him so am I lol
lindarmusic 9 months ago
those are some scary genetics
AndrewRyanJD 10 months ago
Randy is going to fight on April 30 against Lyoto Machida at UFC 129. I think Randy is 47 years old.
WolfmanDan2012 10 months ago
does randy still fight? and how old is he?
HevyToy 10 months ago
@HevyToy I think he is now an actor seen him in alot of shows like CSI and shit like that and a few movies..
KraFnO 10 months ago
And that was the last time Randy left his neck open like that. A shame Valentijn's career has not developed more.
DJGelbart 10 months ago
@DJGelbart ?Valentines gone pretty far, I'd say as far as Randy in some cases. Randy's not as good as people say.
miamimagicians 9 months ago
@miamimagicians Randy is better than valentin. thats for sure. Randy's kept up with the current talent a little better. this is a still early randy before he was at his best. i say he was at his best maybe a few years ago. or maybe even now. im not sure. his next fight will show. lets watch.
vespaman101 9 months ago
@vespaman101 Yeah right. All he does now is hold people up against the fence. Not sure what you are looking at.
NikeDunks4me 9 months ago
@NikeDunks4me no he dirty boxes and takes people down. Randy is definitely a better fighter now than Valentinjin. Valentinjin isn't even fighting good competition. ya know for a guy who only pushes people againts a fence randy sure seems to have a good bit of finishes. i know randy is better because he has better determination and dedication. And even outside of fighting he has contributed way more to the sport than either of the reem brothers. Your used to low quality strikeforce fights.
vespaman101 9 months ago
poor randy :)
rstresytfyt 11 months ago
kicked that ASS!
duveimperial 11 months ago
Both reems look kinda the same lol
Ikiendangi 11 months ago
holy shit, i thought this was alistaire.....fucken twins !
ronnied828 11 months ago
2 MINS 6 SECONDS - a very young looking dan henderson !!
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t12i12a 11 months ago
both of the reems have nasty guillotines
Daski69 1 year ago 31
@Daski69 horsemeat is known for increasing guillotine strength
Nope8 11 months ago
i know this may sound dumb
but when Overeem get the headlock on Couture is he biting him?
1:39
superflyguy20 1 year ago
@superflyguy20 they where mouthpeices so id say no
Fdatubeofyou 1 year ago
I do have agree with; "that wrestling shit doesn't work as good with Liberal rules". Few Pride FC had l barely ay n pray results like Ericksson vs Goodridge, Coleman vs Morais
ScotteDio 1 year ago
Valentijn could have been a force in MMA if he took it seriously.
SteroidsMakeMeStrong 1 year ago
IMO striking or grappling are just as good as base, but in america everyone who wants to do a combat sport can do wrestling at school
so everyone who always wanted to be in MMA probaly did wrestling at school because it's so easy, going to a gym to train striking is something else
wrestling is not that uch the cause of being a good mma athlete, it's that most good mma athletes wrestled at school because they were already into combat sports
normalnamesplz 1 year ago
wow that was a bad performance by randy, he walked right into that one...
cantwait4mw2 1 year ago
@cantwait4mw2 not realy
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 Yes beginner misstake
cantwait4mw2 1 year ago
Valentjin of course dutch!
rakokako 1 year ago
THE NATURAL BABY...
SEXTEE9R 1 year ago
they needs a rematch now. Couture would rape this Overeem.
JASM4collection 1 year ago
@JASM4collection neg
baihbalm 1 year ago
@baihbalm what
JASM4collection 1 year ago
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@JASM4collection not realy
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
better than alastairs roided up ass
ASUNDAR83 1 year ago
dude have you seen Valentijn Overeem lately. He's the one that looks like he's on roids, not Alistair. Just look at his last two fights.
JASM4collection 1 year ago
you know, seeing his brother is kind of a surprise. maybe it is a genetics thing?
TzipKing 1 year ago
fucking exciting match !
freeewaste 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
You can't compare your average body to Overeem's dedication and body frame.
So you're implying that he uses steroids just because he got 40 pounds of muscle in 6 fucking years?
Those are 6 years, and from a guy that fights and takes care of his body for a living is pretty damn reasonable.
Overeem is the champion for a reason, the guy starved himself and didn't do weightlifting in order to be a light heavyweight, how hard it is to understand that he's a different fighter now.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@changoooo123 Sry if I did'nt explain well enough, I suggested you to look at my facebook to give an idea that I know what I am talking about - NOT to compare me to Overeem - I'm not crazy!! I know what the regional guys do to me never mind national, continental or world level (which Overeem is!) and each of those steps mentioned are VERY big steps. I dont have an opinion of Overeem using roids. I admire him as a fighter and an amazing athlete but what I do know is that Fedor will beat him.
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
So you think that because you're fit you know what you're talking about?
What?
I'm fit too so what's your point?
I
t isn't even hard just lay off the snacks/soda and exercise regularly.
Also it has already been proved that Fedor can be beaten, what makes you think that a guy who's physically 10 times of what Werdum is can't beat him, his striking is world class, and his ground game has improved a whole lot.
changoooo123 1 year ago
You state Overeem to be 10X Werdum, OVEREEM HAS LOST TO WERDUM! It's your one dimensional, unconvincing ability to state a case for Overeem beating Fedor that leads me to know I'm better placed to comment on this than you. Overeem is 6'5 18st Werdum is 6'4 17st 2. Its hardly 10 times physically! If you are comparing size what about Hong Man Choi at 7'2" and 23st Fedor destroyed him. Size means nothing in this context which proves ypur knowledge to me. I'v just proved your own point to you!!!
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
That was in 06, how many times do i have to tell you that he's 10 times the fighter he was back then, he was a light heavy so my point stands.
Being better physically doesn't mean height and weight in numbers, hong man choi is a piece of shit if you count the win that Fedor got over him as impressive then that tells you something about Fedor, hong has 2 wins 3 losses, real hard right there.
You can't compare the pounds of muscle of Overeem to Werdum, again my point stands.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@changoooo123 Oh right I guess I'll just have to accept your point then, if it still stands! you state that Overoids is 10 times physically what Werdum is (in your head) but in reality Werdum spanked his arse in the ring!! I bet no-one ever wins an argument against you (in your head!) you are too knowledgeable!! (but in reality...
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
Actually i never claimed that, those are just your words, seems like you're already accepting that you're loosing this one.
changoooo123 1 year ago
You have proved your lack of knowledge and inability to hold a convincing argument. Don't take my word for it take Sherdog's.They are independant, not affiliated to any mma organisation ie not up UFC's arse nor are they up M1 global, strikeforce or whoever else's arse. This best places them to make an unbiased rating. They have Werdum ranked as #3 hw in the world, Fedor as #4 and amazingly your hero Overeem (who is 10 times physically that Werdum is even though Werdum beat him up)ranked #8 hw,
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
Werdum beat up Overeem 4 years ago, when he was still a light heavy, when he didn't had the physical advantage that i'm talking about, you get it now?
I've already told you like a million times Overeem is different now, much more cardio, strength, knockout power in both hands, good wrestling, good ground game, hasn't lost in 3 years, totally different fighter, sherdog's rankings aren't skill-wise, they're result-wise.
You really think werdum is better than fedor? of course not.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@changoooo123 Come on you hv embarassed yourself here, of the several points you have made, I have proved you wrong and just to finish you in as convincing manner Fedor will do Overoid, Werdum beat Overoid in an open weight division - not LHW as you again WRONGLY state.You also state Overeem has'nt lost in 3 years - OVEROID GOT KO'd BY BADR HARI LAST YEAR.I have proved you wrong on every point you've raised(often contradicting yourself),If you cant prove me wrong on 1 thing dont bother replying.
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
So every fight Fedor lost in sambo counted as lost in mma?
No right, Overeem lost in kickboxing, not in mma.
I didn't say that they fought in light heavy, i said that Overeem was a light heavy.
He wasn't KO'd it was a TKO, he might have been able to continue but it was somewhat an early stoppage, he was still standing for Christ sake.
Don't try to mess up my argument, i've been extremely clear and don't you try to manipulate my words, you haven't proved me wrong in anything.
changoooo123 1 year ago
best thing you can do is to watch all of Fedor's fights, a few documentaries and interviews to get an insight. You will discover he annihilates his opponents in a devastating style unseen by any other hw fighter. You will also see what a humble guy he is, there is no arrogance, you ill never hear him claim to be the best nor will you hear him disrespect ANY of his opponents. Unlike Brock in the UFC "im the best theres no man like me ra ra ra. Overeem too can be disrespectful of his opponents.
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
Mention 1 time and give me the source where Overeem has disrespected his opponent.
Stop making up facts, you already changed the subject like 5 times and still i've destroyed your argument, think a little more when you post please.
I don't give a flying fuck about Lesnar, i hate that bitch and i was rooting for Velásquez on the last fight, (I'm Mexican).
Still i don't care about a fighter's personality i watch mma for the fights i don't care if they're humble or arrogant.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@changoooo123 Oh so you are racist that's what you mean and are jealous of white people because we have bigger penis's and more money than you!! So you like Overoid cos he is'nt white, ahhh now I understand, well I'll let you into a little secret his mom is white. I'll let you into another secret Fedor will kick his ass.
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
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changoooo123 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
So now i'm racist?
I'm not the one throwing racial slurs, in fact i never said anything racist in my previous comments so why do you call me racist when you're clearly the one that hates Mexicans.
I don't care about who trespasses or not, because i live in Culiacán Sinaloa and all my family has been educated, that's why i don't need to cross the border, because i have a pretty damn good life, in fact English is my third language and i still have a better level than you.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@changoooo123 Also do you know why there are no Mexicans in Star Trek? They don't work in the future either! Why don't mexicans cross the border in groups of 3? it says no TRESpassing. How do you find the richest man in Mexico? roll a penny over the border and its the first to pick it up. Whats the difference between a mexican and a ubcket of sh1te ? the bucket. orr you killin me man you are a funny guy!!
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
How come you label Mexicans as lazy, when the ones that cross the border end up "stealing" your jobs and doing the hardest ones.(phisically)
Also Mexico its a very wealthy country but the politicians steal the money instead of investing it in the country, for instance the average family in Culiacán has a 120000-250000 dollars house and 2-3 cars.
You're pathetic you took a MMA debate to a personal matter, clearly i've won this argument and i sure hope that you control yourself.
changoooo123 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven
LOl, the richest man in the world is mexican though.
asspop123 1 year ago
@ashworthsteven i wouldn't use sherdog as a yardstick. it's american...and i'm american.
my hats go off to Cain...but how the FUCK do you put him at the top brock at #2 and everyone else below. WTF?
if you can't see that shit is slated to american fighters...a damn blind man would know the difference.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
Well, stand ups are implemented today if the both fighters aren't doing much damage, its bad for the organization. But, if your an expert wrestler, that does dish out damage and punishment..why would the referee stand you up? The fans are loving it.
Aikidokia 1 year ago
@Aikidokia expert wrestler in mma. wow. you people need to go back to the beginning of ufc, pride, etc. most expert wrestler ended up gassed after the 3rd takedown...damage? well, what person couldn't do damage from the top?
they need standup...because most wrestlers and grapplers would just lay their ass on the ground. they ARE NOT built to punch and kick for 3 to 5 rounds. not happening dude...different training.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle Yes, most wrestlers. But Randy did start out as a wrestler, but evolved into an elite MMA fighter that he is now. Wrestlers are (Stated numerous times by Joe Rogan) The best form of discipline to start and start your way up from there.
Gassed out? The first U.F.C and pride? Of course they were (No sarcasm) Half of the very first fighters weren't trained that strictly or wasn't trained at all, again as MMA fighters, from a mounted position..they can dish out punishments.
Aikidokia 1 year ago
@Aikidokia thanks for your comment. good points. joe rogan's a bjj practitioner...i don't think he would bash wrestling as an art neither would i. it is one sport most people in the use has access to in school. it is often the basis for many fighters because it's the only combat sport (mostly) you can do AT SCHOOL(and free!!!). rogan knows damn well the evolution of the fighter needs to surpass the confines of a wrester's gameplan, aptitude, and ability. hence...the belt holders.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@Aikidokia ...and elite, well known...yes. but that elite wrestler just got chocked out with an elementary bjj move.
i'm just saying. you need basics of grappling...if you chose wrestling ok, but here's your problem you will psychologically always want to control position/pin your opponent. do you recall when a wrestler submitted someone it was like a revelation from the creator!
have your grappling base and strike is what the elite are doing. not just wrestling or striking.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle Yeah. That's why Randy said, he feels like hes just reached his prime lmao! Not maybe literally, but that's why there continuing to evolve and train to be a pure M.M.A fighter. :D
Aikidokia 1 year ago
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that wrestling shit doesn't work as good with Liberal rules
ericssson 1 year ago
@ericssson grappling works better with less rules. Ends of rounds and standups for inaction erase a wrestler's work for takedowns and position. That's why early MMA had so many grapplers dominating.
BootlegFightVideo 1 year ago 11
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@BootlegFightVideo are you new to this ?
look at the old and present fights from Brazil and japan
strikers were hurting people soccer kicks ,stomps , knees on all fours
shoot box was ruling pride at one time outside Fedor
two of them are champ in the UFC right now...
ericssson 1 year ago
@ericssson I think you are new. You say "shoot box" do you mean Chute Boxe where Wanderlei is from? Or do you meet Shootboxing, an mma spinoff? Or do you mean Shooto an mma org? Look at the EARLY UFC and Pride stars, 80% grapplers. The Gracies, Nog, Saku, Coleman, Kerr, Shamrock, Severn. Yes once rounds were added and standups forced strikers did much better. Wanderlei did not KO anyone in Pride until 10 when MMA had many rules. Fedor didn't come in until modern rules so you sound very new.
BootlegFightVideo 1 year ago 13
@BootlegFightVideo owned.
frankytizzle 1 year ago
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@BootlegFightVideo Idiot !! they were bums in the early UFC
you have to look at brazil and japan
and fedor fought with liberal rules in pride
i don't want to waste my time anymore
strikers can put some hurt with liberal rules man !!!
ericssson 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo if u want to be a good mma fighter u need 2 stand up and grapple not pick one off em
doomedpumkin 1 year ago
@doomedpumkin I guess you didn't watch early MMA most people weren't well-rounded. Notice I said early MMA not today. You noobs don't know how the sport evolved.
BootlegFightVideo 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo schooled! lol
M4Carbine434 11 months ago
@ericssson Shoot Box lol....is that a box u masturbate in or something :p ?
thats the problem of " the fans of UFC sport" and they dont know crap that its called MMA not UFC
just go back and masturbate while watching Brock Lesnar's body in ur (shoot box) u idiot
DezertFury 1 year ago
@ericssson which 2 ufc champs are from chute box? theres 1 chute box champ (shogun) that I remember, do you mean Anderson silva?
richard99th 1 year ago
@ericssson true that .... fianlly someone not talking out of there ass
MrJoebrown88 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo By grapplers you mean bjj practitioners right? The reason they did so well is because no one else knew what the hell they were doing. It was a completely new discipline in the sport of mma. That's why grapplers dominated in early mma, not because there were less rules. Nowadays wrestlers are dominating because they know how to defend, also they ground and pound. Take away their ability to gnp and hit the head by adding rules and bjj will have the advantage.
mrhands555 1 year ago
@mrhands555 lol...what wrestler are dominating. all belts in ufc, as an example are held by strikers. strikers meaning fighters with grappling background but focus on fight finishes by way of punches or kicks. wrestlers don't have the option of a punch or kick after round 2 or 3.
there has not been a wrestler dominate a division and hold on to a belt for more than 10-15 defenses. wrestling lost to submission grappling then...and well today they are losing to the striker.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle Hold on. You are playing with the definition of wrestlers/strikers. Strikers have strong background in boxing, kickboxing etc. Wrestlers all have strong background in wrestling (GSP is an exception). Frankie Edgar, Ben Henderson, Cain Valasquez, are all wrestlers and belt holders. They are pure wrestlers who have trained in striking. But they are still wrestlers. GSP is originally a striker but he adapted wrestling and is now one of the best at it. Most contenders are wrestlers
mrhands555 1 year ago
@mrhands555 great points, but many fighters have a base in grappling or wrestling. i train in mma, my base is BJJ, not wrestling the take downs are similar, yet the finish is different. my focus is striking, that's how i want to finish. a 'pure' wrestler is gonna finish on the ground and depend...DEPEND on the takedown as his game plan. it well NEVER be to avoid take down and kick/punch-not a wrester. silva, shogun, gsp, frankie, and cain mostly finished how? GNP? naw, jack...
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@mrhands555 2. cont. furthermore, LOL. how can we saw wrestlers are dominating when IT IS NOT the wrestling they are depending on to win.
friend i my base is BRAZILIAN JJ, but my striking and kicking an opponent is what will be the majority of my wins (God willing). we all start at the base of something...we all now have to evolved and include an additional level of skill.
one thing is sure...they aren't using the wrestling to finish the fight...it's striking my friend. thats the diff.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle You can't finish a fight wrestling.. But wrestling is a HUGE part of winning fights. Wrestling allows fighters to avoid the takedown. It also allows fighters to control where the fight goes. If wrestlers want it on the ground, they will take you down. If they want it standing, they will use their striking and push you around. Wrestlers control fights. All good fighters use wrestling. If you fight mma, you should train wrestling because you will get controlled by stronger wrestlers
mrhands555 1 year ago
@mrhands555 wrestlers control fights. wow. just like brock was controlling the fight after getting stuffed by STRIKES? or how about every person that tried to beat Anderson Silva.
didn't dan henderson wrestle...but who got choked out.
like i said, i DO train in mma...and it's not rocket science to avoid takedown...every grappling art NOT JUST WRESTLING teaches that. furthermore, in grappling it's not so much worrying about the takedown because it's only a transition.
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle You forgot that Cain Valasquez is a wrestler first and foremost, but he's trained his stand up. Brock's standup is not as good. Cain controlled the fight. If he didn't have his wrestling background, Brock would have smashed him on the ground like he did to Frank Mir who is a striker and a BJJ practitioner. Let's take the Cain vs. Kongo fight...Kongo was destroying Cain in the standup, but Cain took him down and beat Kongo. Cain's wrestling allowed him to control the fight and win
mrhands555 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle pure strikers will lose to guys who wrestle. If a striker knows wresting, he can defend take downs. If the wrestlers knows how to strike and also knows bjj, he can take you down, defend from submissions, but also avoid the takedowns and keep it standing...If you want to be a good fighter, you better learn some wrestling man. All the Champions know how to wrestle and have some background in wrestling.
mrhands555 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle But you just proved my point anyways because when you say strikers with grappling background are dominating, you are re-inforcing my argument. But it doesn't matter anyways because in any respect, you have to be well rounded.
mrhands555 1 year ago
@mrhands555 ...and FINALLY, a fighter that can not or will ever be nothing but a wrestler that punches will never hold a belt past 10 wins. the proof is there friend: mark coleman, mark kerr, matt hughes, brock lesnar,
do we really need to keep going?
great discussion though...
doctorsizzle 1 year ago
@doctorsizzle A pure striker will never hold a belt past 5 fights. A pure BJJ will never hold one as well. What's your point? Look we could go back and fourth all day. But the facts are that a fighter has to know ALL the disciplines, and that the top contenders in every division and most champions have a wrestling background. Everyone has to know striking, that's obvious, it's called MMA. Top contenders and alot of the champs have a strong wrestling background, not bjj or striking backgrounds.
mrhands555 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo true. but why did pride m1 and all organizations not using, unifed rules. we see strikers dominate? soccer kicks? head butts, knees to head of downed opponents, stomps to downed opponents, vertical elbows, i mean the list is endless, and is stuff strikers dominated with. in pride it was striker with half way takedown defense could destroy any grapplers.
reppin49dank 1 year ago
@reppin49dank
PRIDE wasn't really dominated by strikers though, Fedor is an amazing grappler as were most of the top guys in PRIDE (Gomi being the only exception.. and he got arm triangled by the one guy smart enough to force a grappling match with him), even Wand is good on the ground (yes, even off his back - watch the Yoshida fights).
BlackLabelEric 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo
Early MMA had grapplers dominating? How about vs jiu-jitsu experts?
yrrahyrrah 1 year ago
@yrrahyrrah "How about vs jiu-jitsu experts?" Jiu-jitsu is grappling, moron.
BootlegFightVideo 1 year ago
@BootlegFightVideo Let's prove who's the moron:
"that wrestling shit doesn't work as good with Liberal rules"
//ericssson
"@ericssson grappling works better with less rules."
//BootlegFightVideo
" How about vs jiu-jitsu experts?"
//yrrahyrrah
We were talking about wrestlers, not grapplers overall. MORON!
yrrahyrrah 1 year ago
@yrrahyrrah "We were talking about wrestlers, not grapplers overall. MORON!"
As I said grappling not wrestling we were talking about grappling. Grappling covers freestyle, greco, jiu-jitsu, judo, etc. Don't say grappling if you mean wrestling, moron, they are different.
BootlegFightVideo 1 year ago
@ericssson Exactly what rule stopped Randy from winning? None! He got his head caught in a choke and that was that
weepaul666 1 year ago
would be good to see both of these cute apes in cage.
Portlaoise50 1 year ago
This is back when Randy grappled like Cheal Sonnen.
jagdjohn96 1 year ago
overeem is a sack of shit...
big mouth sissy.
fedor`d stick his little dick in his big mouth in a blink.
jucamo007 1 year ago
@jucamo007 What does Fedor even have to do with this video???
FuckYooAll 1 year ago
@FuckYooAll ...nothing but i just want to stress about that.
big steroided sack of shit.
jucamo007 1 year ago
@jucamo007 sick thoughts there dude
excabilus 1 year ago
@excabilus yap! I KNOW....but well im still thinking about that!
alistair would be at the ropes in less than 1 minute though......
hes full of steroids and creamy shit inside his head,muscles vs intelligence equals to the big guy criyin´ begging for mama... jiji....but yes id love to see that guy fighting against the allmighty fedor,overeem would be asking to himself lying on the floor beaten like shit as many others in the past-shit!,what happened?-..............
jucamo007 1 year ago
@jucamo007 dude im a fan of Fedor...and i hate team Golden Glory as much as the next guy...but this was the most childish comment ive ever seen in any MMA video on Youtube...im ashamed that ur a Fedor fan....u know he lost from Werdum so hes not so good...why dont u take ur childish crappy arguments and go cheer for Lesnar or Roy Nelson for a change...they are good!! -.-
DezertFury 1 year ago
@DezertFury @DezertFury well im so happy youre a fedor fan.but there are certain things u need to know about.
everybody knows that the fedor -werdum fight was fixed.tons of dollars were bouncing from one place to another that night.u dont need to be a gambler or an expert to know that.
jucamo007 1 year ago
@jucamo007 your a idiot
dizzygemini86 1 year ago
@dizzygemini86 ????....no f....way!!!!how much do u know about this?...i hope much more than me though....otherwise dont call idiots to people who have been following mma for years...
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jucamo007 1 year ago