Just finished this book, an utterly fantastic read in my eyes. And it has been hard to try and find a book like this that has actually kept me wanting to read till the very end. Just brilliance
Thumbs up if you too think that Philip Pullman paid the guy 50 bucks right before the lecture to let him ask the question so he could give this answer.
@GuusR I've no doubt he anticipated someone would ask that kind of question and so had the answer rehearsed and ready. Not the same thing as paying a guy to ask it.
@Eldritchfan yes, i know. i was just kidding because i thought it was funny how it seemed like he really was eagerly waiting for the question. I can imagine how excited he got when the question was actually put out there because he wanted to execute and answer it so bad. And it's a great book by the way. Cheers.
And what does your diatribe about "duties" have to do with the clip? And how, pray tell, are you meaning "duty"? Some tenuous and gossamer concept which melts away in light of societal pressure? Are you implying that Pullman knows nothing of duty? That what he does is not significant or beneficial or interesting or beautiful?
I like Philip Pullman, but the idea of writing an offensive book just because you can seems a little petty. Basically, he is exercising his "right to offend people". Silliness.
@philiplyndonsaunders You can't be more wrong. If his only aim was to offend for the sake of offending, he could do it without devoting whatever amount of time he spent writing this book. He could have easily accused the questioner of being offended for the sake of being offended.
What a ridiculously non-sequitur response from Pullman. The audience member commented on the use of "Scoundrel Christ" in the title being offensive to Christians. There's an implicit question there, asking Pullman to explain his use of such a description. Instead of responding to this, Pullman chooses to misrepresent the audience member as attempting to censor him, and launches into a irrelevant rant about freedom of speech. Wouldn't just explaining the book's premise have been more sensible?
He does respond appropriately to the question: he recognises that the title may be shocking to some people and he says that no one has the right to live without being shocked.
"Wouldn't just explaining the book's premise have been more sensible?"
Only to someone who has no concept of subtlety. He dealt succinctly and beautifully with a whole swathe of such questions, laying them all to rest at once.
@dave82au Well no, since the implicit question wasn't asking him to explain the choice of title, but to justify it. Explaining the premise of the novel does not remove the fact that it is offensive to Christians, nor does it address the audience member's comment, eg "Well I called the novel this because...", "Ah, but it's still an awful thing to say." Pullman responds simply with "You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion it must remain", and he does so brilliantly.
@ThrivingFire I have read the book, and it's good. But it is not a patch on the novel, CHRIST, by Patrick Lewis Strachan. Strachan's novel is vastly superior to Pullman's book in every aspect. Many of the scenes in Strachan's book are disturbingly dark and brand the memory, such as Jesus killing the demonic Fred West, murdering members of the KKK and relentlessly hunting Hitler, but the violence aside, CHRIST is a brilliant story masterfully told, and one of the best horror novels I've read.
Well, i have to say i agree with everything Pullman just said in this video. Whether or not you agree with what he writes may be an entirely different matter. In anycase, people who do not like what he says really are not right to just stop him from writing, thats selfish and wrong. But i guess that just leaves people still offended so there are going to be complaints in the comments. It just leaves a difference in opinion and i think that should be expected. Can't agree all the time.
No folks, rather listen to Buzz Aldrin and what he tells us about the "Spacecraft" following them to the Moon....very interesting read...
And why do the nations' authorities try and conceal the fact that there are being in the universe that have advanced and sophisticated "devices" that we do not even - yet - have a chance to comprehend....NOT EVEN SCOUNDREL PULLMAN!!
Einstein must have understood that speed of light is a SNAIL SPEED....so why did he not tell us that....before he left us??
It always amazes me that Christians are so easily offended.Christians are going to spend eternity in heaven,and the rest of of us are going to burn in hell.Why then,are Christians so concerned about people critisising their beliefs during this brief time on earth?Perhaps Christians don't really believe that any Human Being exists after death.
@henryporter101 The answer is simple. A Christian believes based on the Bible and teaching of Jesus Christ that those who reject Christ/God in this life, spend eternity away from the presence of God i.e. Hell, because they have chosen to do so. GENUINE Christians will therefore have a heartfelt desire and hope that all will come to the realisation of this deeply believed truth. To a Christian it is a difference between life and death - an act of love and compassion for others.
Lost people are like that; nothing to be surprised about!!: just do not read it or listen to this crap; I suppose he has not cut off the umbilical cord yet; - a man with extreme mother-binding; they lose reality.....
Well, Pullmann; dont you dare to write this crap about the prophet Mohammed; or are you too coward to risk the hell of Salmon Rushdie and the cartoonist in Denmark
What a coward!! - he writes this junk about Jesus he only did good to people, an mass; - but he would not - as is the coward's syndrome - dare to write this junk about Mohammed; - the man who was opposite of Jesus; a bloody worrier....
And had he written this about the Mohammed, he would had his fatwa on his neck now.
People are unwilling to accept the one think Pullman tugs at!! Religion does great crimes!! Until these crimes are rightfully recognized, dealt with and gone from the earth there will always be geniuses like pullman to show how evil it is and they will always be hated, ridculed and admired.
Had he written about the Koran and Mohammed in this sickening way, he would have been dead by now; and all this crap books would have been eradicated from earth.
The scoundrel Pulman can thank Jesus Christ for the fact that he can make scorns like this despicable throw-up!!
What a petty old excrement-man!!
Today on the Swedish radio one could here the falsification of the word scoundrel
translated to deception......and would be very typical for Swedish radio!!
If only he could remember why he hated life so much he might stop using the internets as an abusive bully crutch. Was it the girl he once desired or the jobs he couldn't get hired? No, it's the sockpuppets and old tired arguments where his attention should be mired.
@phatferr Now you're writing poetry about me? You sure you're in college? If you were I'm pretty sure you'd be studying. You want to know why your sock puppet account hasn't shown up recently? It's because you're not using him, genius.
@TrollyAllNight You're living up to the troll credo...as long as you post a response. Poetry is creative...It's something beyond you I'm sure...Maybe you can read some more old posts and think up some more pointless arguments...you have to do something while unemployed.
@phatferr I'm not unemployed. The reason you don't want me to go through the old posts is that you're afraid of the truth. Your sock accounts, your lying, your total suspension of logic and reason, not to mention your strange need to always have the last word. I'm not the troll here, you are.
@SuckitTroll I've been busy so I haven't posted. I have a life you know. Where's my sockpuppet? Why don't you waste some more of your cheap time and investigate further. It will take your mind off of what a crappy life you have!
What have I done in two weeks?
Maintained a 3.8 GPA
Had fun with friends
Studied
Expanded my horizons
Went to the Rally to Restore Sanity
And generally had the best time with a girl...never kiss and tell.
What have you done? I'll post again when I give a shit.
Poor little crapstain. Stop leaving me love letters in my in box and I won't have a reason to post. You post replies to my comments then tell me i'm obsessed when I reply weeks later? Seriously. You're stupid.
@phatferr Replying to someone's post in a timely manner is called "courtesy." Replying weeks later is called "obsessive." And I'll stop sending you love letters when you send me one, you know how I love hearing from you.
@WhatIgnorance Calling me obsessive and then creating a definition that fits it is disingenuous and ignorant. You keep feeling the need to respond to me. What could that be? I think you're a homosexual. Why else would you keep trying to contact me? See how conjecture works? I'll define the situation then induce the fit when arguments arise. Don't worry though. You can stay in the closet. Your secrets safe with me.
@xXxMeme32xXx I have not posted here in over a month. I was, in no way, "still on this thread" when you used your sock account to leave that comment. And the fact that you think this is a "thread" shows that you are the troll here. This is the comments section, a place for people to comment on a video. Not a place for you to obsessively pester someone for over a year. Troll indeed.
@CrapHead890lb Pester? Don't leave shit messages in my inbox then claim you're pestered when a response is posted. What a whiny piece of shit you are. And I could care less about what shit conspiracy your tiny brain has concocted. Message me back troll. I enjoy the lulz you provide.
@Craphead890lb Pester? Don't leave shit messages in my inbox then claim you're pestered when a response is posted. What a whiny piece of shit you are. And I could care less about what shit conspiracy your tiny brain has concocted. Message me back troll. I enjoy the lulz you provide.
@crapstain69 You're the one that came up with the rule dick. I was just pointing it out. See if you can jam anything else up your ass besides your head.
I'm sorry, even though I do enjoy Philip Pullman's writing at times, I have always found him to be a hypocrite in some areas. He has stated many times that he doesn't believe in God, and henceforth Jesus Christ. How dare he write a story of Jesus, how dare he use a religious figure, and turn him into a character in which he will manipulate. Yes, he does have a write to right. But I have a right to be disguised.
@Smarty704 He can do what he wants because he is a human just like you. You can do what you want and he can do what he wants. Stop being a whiny little bitch like your Christian friends.
@Smarty704 Oooooooook, so you have a right to be disgusted and a right to bother us all with your whiny opinions. He can write about Jesus Christ if he wants to, just like I could write about George Washington or (more appropriate for this example) Cinderella (not copyrighted). So you have a right to be disgusted. Who really cares???
@ItsAnneChickenNugget The man you are supporting said in this video that I have the right to complain about it. And if he felt the need to say such a thing, he cares to some extent.
@ItsAnneChickenNugget And it is pretty annoying how someone who doesn't care about my "whiny opinion" has twice so far commented on them. And sorry, I misspelled disgusted. Thanks for pointing that out "oooooooook" (a word that is not spelled with 9 o's). And a quick grammar tip: you don't need three question marks after a sentence.
@phatferr Popular = Lots of people like it. Influential = Changed lots of people's lives. You are the one being ignorant because you refuse to understand english.
@phatferr I can't believe I didn't notice this for an entire month. I just sort of figured you'd given up. Unfortunately, it seems I was wrong. And I've explained the difference between "popular" and "influential" in such a way that even you can understand it, stop being obtuse.
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@TwatPainMuciferous I find it solipsistic and boring when people who attack you on a thread think you're life must be more pitiful than theirs. They know little or nothing about you but since you have a difference of opinion your life must be invalid and poorer. It's an infantile egocentric bit of logic. The assertion "You must be stupid" is right up there with the insults "fag" or "your mama". The only resort left to a "simple mind". Wit is dead....long live "your mama".
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@SadPainedMediocrity You're the one crying for attention. My life is consumed with Molecular Biology. What were you trying to accomplish? Leave me alone. You're quite the bore.
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@SadLonelyNoFrendicus Maybe you can find somebody to talk to instead of trolling the internet. I don't remember initiating todays distraction. You wanted some hate, I gave you some, you ate it all right out of my hand....good doggie.
What about people who twist others' usernames into juvenile insults? Or people who feel a weird need to reply to every comment that they don't agree with? Or people who sexually harass others in the comments section on their profile? You are the one crying for attention. I'd be perfectly happy if you and your sock accounts would fuck off.
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@LoopyMaimedSillyness I study in thirty minute increments. Your brain needs time to process information. I'm sorry, I won't be available tomorrow or for the next few weeks to feed you what you need. I have girls and friends and ....you wouldn't understand. You're too busy cultivating your online persona. Sockpuppets? Oh! Paranoia! You must be important...ergo...i'm harassing you with SPA's. What ego. Remember...you contacted me....I must have really touched you somehow...you're welcome.
@phatferr Paranoia? You accused both me and "simplisto" of being a sock puppets. You are such a complete hypocrite. Do you expect me to believe you have nothing to do with xXxMeme32xXx? And seriously, college? Girls? Friends? Yeah, sure. Anyone can say that, but given your habit of consistently lying we know your word doesn't mean anything. Pics or it didn't happen.
@TrollyTrollTroll Who's xXxMeme32xXx? Who's SImplisto? Do you mean to tell me you went back and read through the previous posts? I must really be important to you. You don't have anything better to do than read three month old posts? How sad your life must be. You're good for the lolz though. You're nothing but pain wrapped in uninspired vindictiveness. The best part is...if Meme is my sockpuppet then why hasn't he popped up? Hello? Meme? By the way....are you unemployed?
@SillySadPerson Silly Silly Sad person trolling through the threads. He can't get get through life without taking his meds. Cobra has expired and his employment prospects mired. Why not trolly troll the threads until his damaged ego's inspired?
@Woof Woof! The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself.
The book isn't saying that Jesus is bad or evil. It's saying that Jesus had a twin named Christ who saw him set up his miricles (faking them in other words). Neither of them are bad (that's what I've heard).
"no one has the right to live without being shocked" thank you mr pullman for this nugget. Here's another nugget from Mikhail Bakunin: There is nothing more dangerous for personal morality than the habit of giving orders.
Yet another of those many false allegories; defend the right so say so, one idiot philosopher has said so, and being repeated by equally idiots...
You have no rights to say or write - or do - anyting you like; - offending somebody in writing, in utterance or in action, is the same thing.
You have no rights to damage others.
Well, Jesus would not have cared so much about this crap; but those who are his followers is greatly offended and do not have the same power as Jesus to realiate!
I'll grant you that. As I said before, inquisitions of one sort of another would have occurred with or without Christianity. But that doesn't excuse Christianity for having been the vehicle for so much misery. Other collective mindsets that proved destructive, like Naziism, have been relegated to the proverbial ash heap... and yet primitive religions concocted thousands of years ago persist. We should have grown out of all such silliness by now.
@sincristo You're contradicting yourself. So Christianity has been used as a vehicle for misery. How does that put it on the level of Naziism, an ideology based on hate?
@CaptainVideo890 How am I contradicting myself exactly? And to answer your question, Naziism is a form of groupthink, a tribal "us-and-them" mentality that dehumanizes the "other" and leads to tacit permission to commit horrible atrocities against them. Agreed? Now remove "Naziism" from the sentence above, plug in "Christianity" and tell me how the resulting statement is untrue (keeping in mind the Inquisition, the Crusades etc). With a straight face, please.
@CaptainVideo890 You seem to be missing the point entirely. Look at Matthew 10:34 or any number of other NT verses and you'll see that the "central'" tenet of loving one's enemy is actually not so central. Modern man, with his evolving sensibilities, has chosen to pick out the nice bits and ignore the rest, but that hasn't always been the case. This is the problem with Christianity; it's so vague it can be used to justify almost anything, from loving your fellow man to burning him alive.
@sincristo Well if you're going to complain about it being vague I guess I can't really blame you for having an opinion, I just don't see why you're singling it out.
@CaptainVideo890 Well, it's not as if we're looking at a lineup of equivalent ideologies here: Christianity has been THE dominant ideology in the western world for centuries. Ergo, it's the obvious one to single out. But all religions deserve the same scorn, and for much the same reasons; they stop people from thinking for themselves.
@sincristo If you're paying any attention to the comments on this thread you'd see that Atheism either falls into your definition of a religion or it deserves your scorn.
@CaptainVideo890 Certainly some atheists approach their disbelief with the same fervor you see in religious circles; that's human nature, and atheists are human. But that doesn't make atheism a "religion" in any meaningful sense of the word, although i realize it's popular among theists to characterize it as such. Redefining the word "religion"... or using it a broad, analogical sense to include anything people are passionate about... is merely a tactic and is frankly a bit dishonest.
@simplisto Oh! The "moderate" apologist appears! How bleeding heart of you to empathize with the opposition! Calling people names is much different then holding a gun to somebodies head. If you're offended by that then please, join blueboy99 in repealing the right to free speech. I'm sure you'll soon agree that Hitler was an atheist and Mao was horrible. You wouldn't happen to be a sock puppet would you?
@phatferr Moderate? It's not "moderate" to refrain from calling people names; from a debatorial standpoint it's much more effective to actually address and refute theists' points (a fairly easy thing, so don't pat yourself on the back too hard) without resorting to ad hominem attacks. In addition, I have no desire to reinforce the perception that atheists are shrill and hateful. Name-calling is a debate tactic most people outgrow in the 3rd grade. What grade are you in?
@simplisto What logic! Name calling is a debate tactic people leave behind in third grade? Really? You know that's not true unless you're not well read. The Greeks employed it often as well as the Romans. Then you could go on for hours about Shakespeare. Ad homenim? Please tell me where my insults were levied to prove a point. They weren't, ergo, no ad hominem. It seems you rather have a need to condescend. It's okay. Pat yourself on the back. You've successfully let your ego blind your logic.
@simplisto The shrill atheist meme? Your opponent is going to define you any way he sees fit. I'm not going to alter who I am or my method of communication to suit the needs of the opponent or the moderate in order to avoid a moniker that only the namby pamby among us are afraid of.
@simplisto "Whatever makes you happy, man. It's too bad; you obviously have a lot to offer." The only statement that I can think that would be equivalent in dripping condescension is "I'll pray for you". I can see you posted quite a lot on this thread and didn't get anything done. Good for you! but.... Whatever makes you happy man. It's too bad, you obviously have a lot to offer....
@phatferr You truly are insane. sincristo has made it very clear that he's an atheist, and for some unknowable reason he's decided to compliment you, probably because you're in "the club." The way you attack everyone who's just the tiniest bit different from you reminds me of a white supremacist.
@phatferr and @CaptainVideo890 hey what are you arguing for? This conversation hasn't anything to do with Pullman anymore... SO SHUT THE F*** UP my friends^^
@HemRoidRings Gee, trolling posts that are four days old. Felt a need to reply? What exactly did you add CornHoleOfTheRings? STFU. Go back to /b/ board.
@Crapstain Hidous Please don't send emails to me anymore. I don't want to see naked pictures of your penis and leave my alone. I don't wanna wank together or cruise 4chan. You do know my age right? Leave me alone or I'll tell my parents and call the police
@sincristo Well, I think that fervor is what makes something a religion or not. Likewise, there are many people who say they are Christians who don't make decisions based on their belief in God.
@CaptainVideo890 Again, however, you're using the word "religion" only in a non-literal sense, which expands its meaning to cover almost anything. To paint anti-religionists as themselves religious you have to ignore the classical meaning of the word, which involves worship of the supernatural. We atheists may feel strongly about our position, we may even proselytise, but we don't have a deity or a "revealed" doctrine. So calling us "religious" is not entirely correct... nor is it honest.
@CraptainIdiot890 I would think Xtianity deserves more scorn. It tries to sell you a product that doesn't exist. Xstains just like playing victims. It plays into their martyr mentality. How have atheists taken away your rights or made your life unlivable due to their truth? How do you, as an Xstain, pay for your beliefs. How are you marginalized. You aren't. So suck it up on the internet little bitch when you hear a contradictory opinion. George Rekers certainly does.
@xXxMumu32xXx Rentboy..the best place to spread the word. I love the hypocrisy of Xstainanity. The love to send you to hell for doing what they do. But hey...they have the love of Jebus "behind" them. Maybe if I read Dianetics then I could get the acceptance of L Ron that Tom Cruise gets....before he goes to Rentboy. But then again...atheists are so contemptible...they try to tell you they don't really know how to live your life...only you do.
wrong mr smarty pants it's god's right to decide our rights and he says blasphemy isn't right so people must also have the right to enforce that right
Jesus Christ is both God and a Man and offending Him is a HUGE MISTAKE. Why would you do that anyway while He died for our sins because of His Great Mercy and Love for us. Do you want to be with satan in hell torturing you for whole eternity so much? Keep offending our Lord and you are in GREAT DANGER. Repent and return to Jesus Christ. GREAT WARNING is imminent, for all of us.
My history teacher is one of the biggest Atheits I know, but he still says that Jesus was a real person. However, he says from a historical poit of view, Jesus was not a religous figure but a political one who opposed the Romans.
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If Jesus existed at all, he was certainly a scoundrel; all charlatans are. The only other possibilities are that he was a lunatic or that he truly was divine. If he was divine, he knew that every word he uttered would one day be twisted to justify Inquisitions, slavery and murder. If you're Christian, think about that for a moment: if Jesus was truly divine and all-knowing, by definition he intended to cause all of those things. Who else could do that and not be considered a scoundrel?
@CaptainVideo890 There would almost certainly have been other such atrocities in the name of other gods... but that's not the point. The point is that the belief in Jesus as all-loving and gentle is belied (among other things!) by claims that is he also all-knowing; because that would mean he knew beforehand about all the misery his vague and ambiguous words would cause. Of course, his divinity is not really a possibility in any real sense, unless one is willing to dispense with rationality.
@sincristo What are you talking about? How is "love your enemy" vague? Do you really think all of these problems you're blaming on Christianity would have happened if people had taken that to heart?
@CaptainVideo890 "Love your enemy" is not vague. And if that's all Jesus had said, I wouldn't have a problem with him. But he only preached nonviolence part of the time: other times he was a "live by the sword" type of fellow. (Luke 12:51, Matthew 10:34, Luke 22:36). But the worst thing Jesus did was affirm the bloodthirsty crap in the Old Testament, which has caused untold misery. The fact that nice Christians prefer to ignore this stuff nowadays doesn't mean they've always ignored it.
@CaptainVideo890 I don't blame "nice" Christians for anything other than promulgating a mindset that can be (and has been) used by not-so-nice Christians to justify marginalizing people who don't agree with them.
for anyone who has read the book, id like to know what you thought about the stranger
my guess is that he is a human, and is actually from the orphanage. but this still seems very debatable. if he is only human, he does some inexplicable things, as does christ the child
Too much worrying about offending someone's sensibilities, especially about religion. Blasphemy laws, book burnings, killing people for failing to agree on belief... are much worse ways of being in the world.
Non-believers are often offended by believers, so there is no monopoly on offense.
Well said Philip. I certainly won't read it. You may be surprised to know that by looking at God's laws in the Bible God has told us what is right and what is wrong, what do to and not to do. I always surprises me how people think that they are God and that they have the right to do anything they please. No wonder the world is in such a mess.
@butcherjw Which iteration of "God's Law" are we following this week. It seems a question that only those blinded by faith can answer. For every deviant Mormon pedophile polygamist, dance free Baptist, or Branch Davidian out there you have some other purveyor of "God's Law" ready to slit the throat of those who blaspheme...If you don't understand then move to Saudi Arabia. If you derive your morality from a book then truly you are immoral.
EAT A QUEER FETUS FOR JESUS
otterboi26 1 month ago
Just finished this book, an utterly fantastic read in my eyes. And it has been hard to try and find a book like this that has actually kept me wanting to read till the very end. Just brilliance
johnnyp2234 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you too think that Philip Pullman paid the guy 50 bucks right before the lecture to let him ask the question so he could give this answer.
GuusR 2 months ago
@GuusR I've no doubt he anticipated someone would ask that kind of question and so had the answer rehearsed and ready. Not the same thing as paying a guy to ask it.
Eldritchfan 2 months ago
@Eldritchfan yes, i know. i was just kidding because i thought it was funny how it seemed like he really was eagerly waiting for the question. I can imagine how excited he got when the question was actually put out there because he wanted to execute and answer it so bad. And it's a great book by the way. Cheers.
GuusR 2 months ago
What a fantastic response.
MeOnStuff 3 months ago
I didn't feel like flipping through the comments to see but has anyone read the book? And if so, how was it?
shuffles45 3 months ago
In case you want to read about Buddhist Scoundrels - - Nothing Holy, Tales of Zen buddhist Scoundrels by Mel C. Thompson.
melvinbrand 4 months ago
oh its all so english, almost makes me miss home!
Jafroboy 5 months ago
I love this guy. I can watch this clip over and over again !
He is right and this is what differs us from the terrorist muslims..... they simply just don´t get it !
cruisemate 6 months ago
No one has the right, no one has the right...
I dislike people which only know about rights but nothing about duties. They would likely sell their grandmother for 5 cents if once necessary.
Anyway, it looks not good for those people today since the clock shows.
5TO[20]12
This is not the right moment for the false games.
Ogmios-biblical Spirit of Truth
28.06.11
megatown 7 months ago
@megatown
And what does your diatribe about "duties" have to do with the clip? And how, pray tell, are you meaning "duty"? Some tenuous and gossamer concept which melts away in light of societal pressure? Are you implying that Pullman knows nothing of duty? That what he does is not significant or beneficial or interesting or beautiful?
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@MsCoralline
duty is the counterpart of rights. There exists no rights without duties as there exists no - without +.
And how you meant that with sariical? There is nothing satirical with the saviour having been nailed onto the wood by the manking. This is just SAD!
megatown 5 months ago
@megatown I'm intrigued. Perhaps you should explain his duty.
jerrygreg2 4 months ago
@jerrygreg2
I think he is old enough. Dont you think so
megatown 4 months ago
@megatown I don't have your belief. I think what he says in the video puts the point across well. Clearly you don't get it.
jerrygreg2 4 months ago
@jerrygreg2
I do not believe, I AM !
You do not realize. you talking to the biblical spirit of truth predicted for these our times and the clock shows 5TO[20]12 ! So what about you
megatown 4 months ago
@megatown Could you share the prediction with me please? Something terrible in 2012?
jerrygreg2 4 months ago
I like Philip Pullman, but the idea of writing an offensive book just because you can seems a little petty. Basically, he is exercising his "right to offend people". Silliness.
philiplyndonsaunders 9 months ago
@philiplyndonsaunders You can't be more wrong. If his only aim was to offend for the sake of offending, he could do it without devoting whatever amount of time he spent writing this book. He could have easily accused the questioner of being offended for the sake of being offended.
ocgiii 7 months ago
What a ridiculously non-sequitur response from Pullman. The audience member commented on the use of "Scoundrel Christ" in the title being offensive to Christians. There's an implicit question there, asking Pullman to explain his use of such a description. Instead of responding to this, Pullman chooses to misrepresent the audience member as attempting to censor him, and launches into a irrelevant rant about freedom of speech. Wouldn't just explaining the book's premise have been more sensible?
dave82au 9 months ago
He does respond appropriately to the question: he recognises that the title may be shocking to some people and he says that no one has the right to live without being shocked.
MattyWalpole07 9 months ago
@dave82au
There was no rant.
"Wouldn't just explaining the book's premise have been more sensible?"
Only to someone who has no concept of subtlety. He dealt succinctly and beautifully with a whole swathe of such questions, laying them all to rest at once.
MsCoralline 9 months ago
@dave82au Well no, since the implicit question wasn't asking him to explain the choice of title, but to justify it. Explaining the premise of the novel does not remove the fact that it is offensive to Christians, nor does it address the audience member's comment, eg "Well I called the novel this because...", "Ah, but it's still an awful thing to say." Pullman responds simply with "You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion it must remain", and he does so brilliantly.
ThrivingFire 7 months ago
@ThrivingFire I have read the book, and it's good. But it is not a patch on the novel, CHRIST, by Patrick Lewis Strachan. Strachan's novel is vastly superior to Pullman's book in every aspect. Many of the scenes in Strachan's book are disturbingly dark and brand the memory, such as Jesus killing the demonic Fred West, murdering members of the KKK and relentlessly hunting Hitler, but the violence aside, CHRIST is a brilliant story masterfully told, and one of the best horror novels I've read.
happydays450 7 months ago
Well, i have to say i agree with everything Pullman just said in this video. Whether or not you agree with what he writes may be an entirely different matter. In anycase, people who do not like what he says really are not right to just stop him from writing, thats selfish and wrong. But i guess that just leaves people still offended so there are going to be complaints in the comments. It just leaves a difference in opinion and i think that should be expected. Can't agree all the time.
DisfunctionalMisfunc 9 months ago
The way philip pullman countered this was jus awesome. This is why i love him so much :D Either way, No matter what he writes, he tells a good story
xxathena 10 months ago
No folks, rather listen to Buzz Aldrin and what he tells us about the "Spacecraft" following them to the Moon....very interesting read...
And why do the nations' authorities try and conceal the fact that there are being in the universe that have advanced and sophisticated "devices" that we do not even - yet - have a chance to comprehend....NOT EVEN SCOUNDREL PULLMAN!!
Einstein must have understood that speed of light is a SNAIL SPEED....so why did he not tell us that....before he left us??
ed
onlinelondon 1 year ago
I have turned off the sound, so I can write here those lines, not hearing you voice of hell...
Now it is Christmas time; and scoundrels - LIKE YOU!! - also might love the tranquility of those days of the Holy Times!!!
ed
w w w eddy nu
eddyjacobsensongs 1 year ago
It always amazes me that Christians are so easily offended.Christians are going to spend eternity in heaven,and the rest of of us are going to burn in hell.Why then,are Christians so concerned about people critisising their beliefs during this brief time on earth?Perhaps Christians don't really believe that any Human Being exists after death.
henryporter101 1 year ago 65
@henryporter101 The answer is simple. A Christian believes based on the Bible and teaching of Jesus Christ that those who reject Christ/God in this life, spend eternity away from the presence of God i.e. Hell, because they have chosen to do so. GENUINE Christians will therefore have a heartfelt desire and hope that all will come to the realisation of this deeply believed truth. To a Christian it is a difference between life and death - an act of love and compassion for others.
MrAliyak 8 months ago
Lost people are like that; nothing to be surprised about!!: just do not read it or listen to this crap; I suppose he has not cut off the umbilical cord yet; - a man with extreme mother-binding; they lose reality.....
onlinelondon 1 year ago
@onlinelondon
Lost people? Oh please.
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xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
You tell 'em, Phil!
His eloquence in totally "pwning haterz" is quite admirable. I have so much respect for this man!
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love7christ 1 year ago
w w w youtube.com/watch?v=RAq1Im6uzr4
Well, Pullmann; dont you dare to write this crap about the prophet Mohammed; or are you too coward to risk the hell of Salmon Rushdie and the cartoonist in Denmark
You are crap in the world!
onlinelondon 1 year ago
@onlinelondon they were both delusional. writing a book about the one pretty much sums up the other.
cashmerde 1 year ago
I am not religious but the fact that christianity can cope with a book like this proves it only the stronger from religions that cannot cope.
iwishtoremainanon 1 year ago 2
What a coward!! - he writes this junk about Jesus he only did good to people, an mass; - but he would not - as is the coward's syndrome - dare to write this junk about Mohammed; - the man who was opposite of Jesus; a bloody worrier....
And had he written this about the Mohammed, he would had his fatwa on his neck now.
What a pathetic figure..
eddy jacobsen
onlinelondon 1 year ago 2
@onlinelondon you have obviously not read it then!
bonusbarclay 1 year ago
People are unwilling to accept the one think Pullman tugs at!! Religion does great crimes!! Until these crimes are rightfully recognized, dealt with and gone from the earth there will always be geniuses like pullman to show how evil it is and they will always be hated, ridculed and admired.
Rainfish14 1 year ago
Had he written about the Koran and Mohammed in this sickening way, he would have been dead by now; and all this crap books would have been eradicated from earth.
The scoundrel Pulman can thank Jesus Christ for the fact that he can make scorns like this despicable throw-up!!
What a petty old excrement-man!!
Today on the Swedish radio one could here the falsification of the word scoundrel
translated to deception......and would be very typical for Swedish radio!!
eddy jacobsen
onlinelondon 1 year ago
If only he could remember why he hated life so much he might stop using the internets as an abusive bully crutch. Was it the girl he once desired or the jobs he couldn't get hired? No, it's the sockpuppets and old tired arguments where his attention should be mired.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Now you're writing poetry about me? You sure you're in college? If you were I'm pretty sure you'd be studying. You want to know why your sock puppet account hasn't shown up recently? It's because you're not using him, genius.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@TrollyAllNight You're living up to the troll credo...as long as you post a response. Poetry is creative...It's something beyond you I'm sure...Maybe you can read some more old posts and think up some more pointless arguments...you have to do something while unemployed.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr I'm not unemployed. The reason you don't want me to go through the old posts is that you're afraid of the truth. Your sock accounts, your lying, your total suspension of logic and reason, not to mention your strange need to always have the last word. I'm not the troll here, you are.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@poopstainignorance Hey Woody! It's Buzz! Poking the troll to see if he's still under the rock! Get A Job!
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Why don't you show us all how "creative" you are by posting another one of your stupid comments on my channel?
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@SuckitTroll I've been busy so I haven't posted. I have a life you know. Where's my sockpuppet? Why don't you waste some more of your cheap time and investigate further. It will take your mind off of what a crappy life you have!
What have I done in two weeks?
Maintained a 3.8 GPA
Had fun with friends
Studied
Expanded my horizons
Went to the Rally to Restore Sanity
And generally had the best time with a girl...never kiss and tell.
What have you done? I'll post again when I give a shit.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Can you please stop obsessing over me? It's getting weird.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CrapStainHideous
Poor little crapstain. Stop leaving me love letters in my in box and I won't have a reason to post. You post replies to my comments then tell me i'm obsessed when I reply weeks later? Seriously. You're stupid.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Replying to someone's post in a timely manner is called "courtesy." Replying weeks later is called "obsessive." And I'll stop sending you love letters when you send me one, you know how I love hearing from you.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@WhatIgnorance Calling me obsessive and then creating a definition that fits it is disingenuous and ignorant. You keep feeling the need to respond to me. What could that be? I think you're a homosexual. Why else would you keep trying to contact me? See how conjecture works? I'll define the situation then induce the fit when arguments arise. Don't worry though. You can stay in the closet. Your secrets safe with me.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr In the closet? By now the whole thread know's we're in a gay relationship, thanks to you. Way to spoil our secret.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 You're still on this thread? Whatta troll!
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
@xXxMeme32xXx I have not posted here in over a month. I was, in no way, "still on this thread" when you used your sock account to leave that comment. And the fact that you think this is a "thread" shows that you are the troll here. This is the comments section, a place for people to comment on a video. Not a place for you to obsessively pester someone for over a year. Troll indeed.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
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@CrapHead890lb Pester? Don't leave shit messages in my inbox then claim you're pestered when a response is posted. What a whiny piece of shit you are. And I could care less about what shit conspiracy your tiny brain has concocted. Message me back troll. I enjoy the lulz you provide.
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
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@Craphead890lb Pester? Don't leave shit messages in my inbox then claim you're pestered when a response is posted. What a whiny piece of shit you are. And I could care less about what shit conspiracy your tiny brain has concocted. Message me back troll. I enjoy the lulz you provide.
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
@Crapstain69 Only trolls call this a thread. You're just angry like every other raging bottom.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr You called this a thread four times.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@crapstain69 You're the one that came up with the rule dick. I was just pointing it out. See if you can jam anything else up your ass besides your head.
phatferr 11 months ago
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phatferr 10 months ago
@phatass You still jacking off this Crapstain douche?
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
@xXxMeme32xXx Oh! My sockpuppet! How can you speak without my hand up your bum?
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatass I'm not your sockpuppet. I'm crapstains sockpuppet.
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
@xXxMumu32xxx I wouldn't be suprised.
phatferr 1 year ago
I'm sorry, even though I do enjoy Philip Pullman's writing at times, I have always found him to be a hypocrite in some areas. He has stated many times that he doesn't believe in God, and henceforth Jesus Christ. How dare he write a story of Jesus, how dare he use a religious figure, and turn him into a character in which he will manipulate. Yes, he does have a write to right. But I have a right to be disguised.
Smarty704 1 year ago 5
@Smarty704 He can do what he wants because he is a human just like you. You can do what you want and he can do what he wants. Stop being a whiny little bitch like your Christian friends.
randompeg 10 months ago
@randompeg I said he can do what he wants. I'm not stopping him. But I can be disgusted if I want to, can't I? If I'm human as well?
Smarty704 10 months ago
@Smarty704 Oooooooook, so you have a right to be disgusted and a right to bother us all with your whiny opinions. He can write about Jesus Christ if he wants to, just like I could write about George Washington or (more appropriate for this example) Cinderella (not copyrighted). So you have a right to be disgusted. Who really cares???
ItsAnneChickenNugget 10 months ago
@ItsAnneChickenNugget The man you are supporting said in this video that I have the right to complain about it. And if he felt the need to say such a thing, he cares to some extent.
Smarty704 10 months ago
@Smarty704 Sure, you can complain all you want. It's just pretty annoying, especially since you can't even spell disgusted.
ItsAnneChickenNugget 9 months ago
@ItsAnneChickenNugget And it is pretty annoying how someone who doesn't care about my "whiny opinion" has twice so far commented on them. And sorry, I misspelled disgusted. Thanks for pointing that out "oooooooook" (a word that is not spelled with 9 o's). And a quick grammar tip: you don't need three question marks after a sentence.
Smarty704 9 months ago
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Thumbs up!!! Just finished the book.
GodmyX 1 year ago
Well, onot idea what the book is about, i have to read it first. What i will do shortly.
pienzelchen 1 year ago
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If you don't see the connection between "popular" and "influential" you're just being plain ignorant. Like an Xstain
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Popular = Lots of people like it. Influential = Changed lots of people's lives. You are the one being ignorant because you refuse to understand english.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@phatferr I can't believe I didn't notice this for an entire month. I just sort of figured you'd given up. Unfortunately, it seems I was wrong. And I've explained the difference between "popular" and "influential" in such a way that even you can understand it, stop being obtuse.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
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@Crapstain Hideous
Sad. Weak and Sad. Who are you? A person searching for relevancy? I have midterms to study for. Find somebody else to pry my cock out of your ass.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr I find it incredibly hard to believe that you got into a college.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
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@FlapstainHitlerous You seem quite addicted to your opinions. You keep spitting them out like they mean something.
phatferr 1 year ago
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@TwatPainMuciferous I find it solipsistic and boring when people who attack you on a thread think you're life must be more pitiful than theirs. They know little or nothing about you but since you have a difference of opinion your life must be invalid and poorer. It's an infantile egocentric bit of logic. The assertion "You must be stupid" is right up there with the insults "fag" or "your mama". The only resort left to a "simple mind". Wit is dead....long live "your mama".
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr What, and yours do? How about your "opinion" that I want to see your dick? You think that accomplishes anything?
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
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@SadPainedMediocrity You're the one crying for attention. My life is consumed with Molecular Biology. What were you trying to accomplish? Leave me alone. You're quite the bore.
phatferr 1 year ago
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@SadLonelyNoFrendicus Maybe you can find somebody to talk to instead of trolling the internet. I don't remember initiating todays distraction. You wanted some hate, I gave you some, you ate it all right out of my hand....good doggie.
phatferr 1 year ago
What about people who twist others' usernames into juvenile insults? Or people who feel a weird need to reply to every comment that they don't agree with? Or people who sexually harass others in the comments section on their profile? You are the one crying for attention. I'd be perfectly happy if you and your sock accounts would fuck off.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
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@LoopyMaimedSillyness I study in thirty minute increments. Your brain needs time to process information. I'm sorry, I won't be available tomorrow or for the next few weeks to feed you what you need. I have girls and friends and ....you wouldn't understand. You're too busy cultivating your online persona. Sockpuppets? Oh! Paranoia! You must be important...ergo...i'm harassing you with SPA's. What ego. Remember...you contacted me....I must have really touched you somehow...you're welcome.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Paranoia? You accused both me and "simplisto" of being a sock puppets. You are such a complete hypocrite. Do you expect me to believe you have nothing to do with xXxMeme32xXx? And seriously, college? Girls? Friends? Yeah, sure. Anyone can say that, but given your habit of consistently lying we know your word doesn't mean anything. Pics or it didn't happen.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@TrollyTrollTroll Who's xXxMeme32xXx? Who's SImplisto? Do you mean to tell me you went back and read through the previous posts? I must really be important to you. You don't have anything better to do than read three month old posts? How sad your life must be. You're good for the lolz though. You're nothing but pain wrapped in uninspired vindictiveness. The best part is...if Meme is my sockpuppet then why hasn't he popped up? Hello? Meme? By the way....are you unemployed?
phatferr 1 year ago
@SillySadPerson Silly Silly Sad person trolling through the threads. He can't get get through life without taking his meds. Cobra has expired and his employment prospects mired. Why not trolly troll the threads until his damaged ego's inspired?
phatferr 1 year ago
@Woof Woof! The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself.
phatferr 1 year ago
the christ was just an prophet no a god god sent jesus to jewish
to foloow his commandments
catstevens01 1 year ago
I'm trying to get my book published, but nobody seems to want to even look at it. It's entitled "Allah is a Cunt"
jonsixtythree 1 year ago
I'm trying
jonsixtythree 1 year ago
if it offends then thats a bonus,as religion offends my intellect.:)
kevrs2 1 year ago
The book isn't saying that Jesus is bad or evil. It's saying that Jesus had a twin named Christ who saw him set up his miricles (faking them in other words). Neither of them are bad (that's what I've heard).
OmnomTheDevourer 1 year ago
You couldn't say it better in forty-five seconds.
nonameisacat 1 year ago
Very well said, and hes form Norwich :D
alexjb1989 1 year ago
Very well said, and hes form Norwich :D
alexjb1989 1 year ago
Voltaire's words very aptly applied.
flyabs 1 year ago
Brilliant statement.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago 32
after rereading the His Dark Materials trilogy, i would expect nothing less from Pullman- a true literary genius.
miseriaykretek 1 year ago
"no one has the right to live without being shocked" thank you mr pullman for this nugget. Here's another nugget from Mikhail Bakunin: There is nothing more dangerous for personal morality than the habit of giving orders.
MrEternalechoes 1 year ago 2
I don't know what he wrote about, and it probably offends me greatly, but I will fight to the death his right to write it.
rfilyaw 1 year ago 26
@rfilyaw That is very heroic of you .......but that will just make you another guinea pig on the treadmill of intolerance.
MrEternalechoes 1 year ago
Voltaire's words aptly applied in the 21st century. Inspiring stuff. Like it. Would you really? Benignly, Abi
flyabs 1 year ago
@rfilyaw
doubt it
b1unt3d 1 year ago
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@rfilyaw That's what freedom of speech is all about.
JaguarEscarlata 1 year ago
@rfilyaw
Yet another of those many false allegories; defend the right so say so, one idiot philosopher has said so, and being repeated by equally idiots...
You have no rights to say or write - or do - anyting you like; - offending somebody in writing, in utterance or in action, is the same thing.
You have no rights to damage others.
Well, Jesus would not have cared so much about this crap; but those who are his followers is greatly offended and do not have the same power as Jesus to realiate!
onlinelondon 1 year ago
Jim? Still waiting for a reply...
sincristo 1 year ago
I'll grant you that. As I said before, inquisitions of one sort of another would have occurred with or without Christianity. But that doesn't excuse Christianity for having been the vehicle for so much misery. Other collective mindsets that proved destructive, like Naziism, have been relegated to the proverbial ash heap... and yet primitive religions concocted thousands of years ago persist. We should have grown out of all such silliness by now.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo You're contradicting yourself. So Christianity has been used as a vehicle for misery. How does that put it on the level of Naziism, an ideology based on hate?
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 How am I contradicting myself exactly? And to answer your question, Naziism is a form of groupthink, a tribal "us-and-them" mentality that dehumanizes the "other" and leads to tacit permission to commit horrible atrocities against them. Agreed? Now remove "Naziism" from the sentence above, plug in "Christianity" and tell me how the resulting statement is untrue (keeping in mind the Inquisition, the Crusades etc). With a straight face, please.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo It's untrue because you're ignoring the "love thy enemy" idea that is central to the ideology.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 You seem to be missing the point entirely. Look at Matthew 10:34 or any number of other NT verses and you'll see that the "central'" tenet of loving one's enemy is actually not so central. Modern man, with his evolving sensibilities, has chosen to pick out the nice bits and ignore the rest, but that hasn't always been the case. This is the problem with Christianity; it's so vague it can be used to justify almost anything, from loving your fellow man to burning him alive.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo Well if you're going to complain about it being vague I guess I can't really blame you for having an opinion, I just don't see why you're singling it out.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Well, it's not as if we're looking at a lineup of equivalent ideologies here: Christianity has been THE dominant ideology in the western world for centuries. Ergo, it's the obvious one to single out. But all religions deserve the same scorn, and for much the same reasons; they stop people from thinking for themselves.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo If you're paying any attention to the comments on this thread you'd see that Atheism either falls into your definition of a religion or it deserves your scorn.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Certainly some atheists approach their disbelief with the same fervor you see in religious circles; that's human nature, and atheists are human. But that doesn't make atheism a "religion" in any meaningful sense of the word, although i realize it's popular among theists to characterize it as such. Redefining the word "religion"... or using it a broad, analogical sense to include anything people are passionate about... is merely a tactic and is frankly a bit dishonest.
sincristo 1 year ago
@simplisto Oh! The "moderate" apologist appears! How bleeding heart of you to empathize with the opposition! Calling people names is much different then holding a gun to somebodies head. If you're offended by that then please, join blueboy99 in repealing the right to free speech. I'm sure you'll soon agree that Hitler was an atheist and Mao was horrible. You wouldn't happen to be a sock puppet would you?
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Moderate? It's not "moderate" to refrain from calling people names; from a debatorial standpoint it's much more effective to actually address and refute theists' points (a fairly easy thing, so don't pat yourself on the back too hard) without resorting to ad hominem attacks. In addition, I have no desire to reinforce the perception that atheists are shrill and hateful. Name-calling is a debate tactic most people outgrow in the 3rd grade. What grade are you in?
sincristo 1 year ago
@simplisto What logic! Name calling is a debate tactic people leave behind in third grade? Really? You know that's not true unless you're not well read. The Greeks employed it often as well as the Romans. Then you could go on for hours about Shakespeare. Ad homenim? Please tell me where my insults were levied to prove a point. They weren't, ergo, no ad hominem. It seems you rather have a need to condescend. It's okay. Pat yourself on the back. You've successfully let your ego blind your logic.
phatferr 1 year ago
@simplisto The shrill atheist meme? Your opponent is going to define you any way he sees fit. I'm not going to alter who I am or my method of communication to suit the needs of the opponent or the moderate in order to avoid a moniker that only the namby pamby among us are afraid of.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr Whatever makes you happy, man. It's too bad; you obviously have a lot to offer.
sincristo 1 year ago
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@simplisto "Whatever makes you happy, man. It's too bad; you obviously have a lot to offer." The only statement that I can think that would be equivalent in dripping condescension is "I'll pray for you". I can see you posted quite a lot on this thread and didn't get anything done. Good for you! but.... Whatever makes you happy man. It's too bad, you obviously have a lot to offer....
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr You truly are insane. sincristo has made it very clear that he's an atheist, and for some unknowable reason he's decided to compliment you, probably because you're in "the club." The way you attack everyone who's just the tiniest bit different from you reminds me of a white supremacist.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 " The way you attack everyone who's just the tiniest bit different from you reminds me of a white supremacist."
Hey, I would hate to remind you of your childhood.
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr At least I'm old enough that it's something to be reminded of, unlike you.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Now your arguing that you're older than me? What?
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr I don't have to argue, it's pretty obvious that you're not more than 5.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 slobbering on your keyboard I see.
phatferr 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Now you're in troll mode. Ready to be fed?
phatferr 1 year ago
@phatferr and @CaptainVideo890 hey what are you arguing for? This conversation hasn't anything to do with Pullman anymore... SO SHUT THE F*** UP my friends^^
CordOfTheRings 1 year ago
@HemRoidRings Gee, trolling posts that are four days old. Felt a need to reply? What exactly did you add CornHoleOfTheRings? STFU. Go back to /b/ board.
phatferr 1 year ago
@CordOfTheRings To call this "arguing" would be to give too much credit to the complete troll that is phatferr.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@Crapstain Hidous Please don't send emails to me anymore. I don't want to see naked pictures of your penis and leave my alone. I don't wanna wank together or cruise 4chan. You do know my age right? Leave me alone or I'll tell my parents and call the police
phatferr 1 year ago
@sincristo Don't pay attention to this guy, he's a complete troll.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@sincristo Well, I think that fervor is what makes something a religion or not. Likewise, there are many people who say they are Christians who don't make decisions based on their belief in God.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 Again, however, you're using the word "religion" only in a non-literal sense, which expands its meaning to cover almost anything. To paint anti-religionists as themselves religious you have to ignore the classical meaning of the word, which involves worship of the supernatural. We atheists may feel strongly about our position, we may even proselytise, but we don't have a deity or a "revealed" doctrine. So calling us "religious" is not entirely correct... nor is it honest.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo Thank you for explaining that to me.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 I'm here to help.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo I dunno if I'd go THAT far....
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CraptainIdiot890 I would think Xtianity deserves more scorn. It tries to sell you a product that doesn't exist. Xstains just like playing victims. It plays into their martyr mentality. How have atheists taken away your rights or made your life unlivable due to their truth? How do you, as an Xstain, pay for your beliefs. How are you marginalized. You aren't. So suck it up on the internet little bitch when you hear a contradictory opinion. George Rekers certainly does.
xXxMeme32xXx 1 year ago
@xXxMumu32xXx Rentboy..the best place to spread the word. I love the hypocrisy of Xstainanity. The love to send you to hell for doing what they do. But hey...they have the love of Jebus "behind" them. Maybe if I read Dianetics then I could get the acceptance of L Ron that Tom Cruise gets....before he goes to Rentboy. But then again...atheists are so contemptible...they try to tell you they don't really know how to live your life...only you do.
phatferr 1 year ago
@xXxMeme32xXx I never said I was "marginalized," stop making things up.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
Correction: "the divine stamp of approval"
sincristo 1 year ago
I'm excited about this book, I love the concept.
jumpnjza2 1 year ago
So well put and that is the truth.
bredrin1 1 year ago
wrong mr smarty pants it's god's right to decide our rights and he says blasphemy isn't right so people must also have the right to enforce that right
j4pan 1 year ago
Jesus Christ is both God and a Man and offending Him is a HUGE MISTAKE. Why would you do that anyway while He died for our sins because of His Great Mercy and Love for us. Do you want to be with satan in hell torturing you for whole eternity so much? Keep offending our Lord and you are in GREAT DANGER. Repent and return to Jesus Christ. GREAT WARNING is imminent, for all of us.
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temp911Luke 1 year ago
My history teacher is one of the biggest Atheits I know, but he still says that Jesus was a real person. However, he says from a historical poit of view, Jesus was not a religous figure but a political one who opposed the Romans.
Spacedragon1000 1 year ago
@Spacedragon1000 Because "give to Caesar what is Caesar's" is totally opposing the Romans.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
Fantastic answer.
jabbid111 1 year ago
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If Jesus existed at all, he was certainly a scoundrel; all charlatans are. The only other possibilities are that he was a lunatic or that he truly was divine. If he was divine, he knew that every word he uttered would one day be twisted to justify Inquisitions, slavery and murder. If you're Christian, think about that for a moment: if Jesus was truly divine and all-knowing, by definition he intended to cause all of those things. Who else could do that and not be considered a scoundrel?
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo You think we wouldn't have had those things if he hadn't come along?
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 There would almost certainly have been other such atrocities in the name of other gods... but that's not the point. The point is that the belief in Jesus as all-loving and gentle is belied (among other things!) by claims that is he also all-knowing; because that would mean he knew beforehand about all the misery his vague and ambiguous words would cause. Of course, his divinity is not really a possibility in any real sense, unless one is willing to dispense with rationality.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo What are you talking about? How is "love your enemy" vague? Do you really think all of these problems you're blaming on Christianity would have happened if people had taken that to heart?
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 "Love your enemy" is not vague. And if that's all Jesus had said, I wouldn't have a problem with him. But he only preached nonviolence part of the time: other times he was a "live by the sword" type of fellow. (Luke 12:51, Matthew 10:34, Luke 22:36). But the worst thing Jesus did was affirm the bloodthirsty crap in the Old Testament, which has caused untold misery. The fact that nice Christians prefer to ignore this stuff nowadays doesn't mean they've always ignored it.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo But you still have no problem blaming nice Christians for it.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
@CaptainVideo890 I don't blame "nice" Christians for anything other than promulgating a mindset that can be (and has been) used by not-so-nice Christians to justify marginalizing people who don't agree with them.
sincristo 1 year ago
@sincristo The mindset isn't really unique in that respect.
CaptainVideo890 1 year ago
Why are all the Christians and athiests arguing? Why can't you learn to just get along?
Spacedragon1000 1 year ago
he seems like a very bitter, negative man....
bfinkish 1 year ago 3
I want my mansion.
leftfield66 1 year ago
That's a unique responce comming from such a magnificent author.
archangel385 1 year ago
for anyone who has read the book, id like to know what you thought about the stranger
my guess is that he is a human, and is actually from the orphanage. but this still seems very debatable. if he is only human, he does some inexplicable things, as does christ the child
nubbs 1 year ago
Well said! Applause!!
Too much worrying about offending someone's sensibilities, especially about religion. Blasphemy laws, book burnings, killing people for failing to agree on belief... are much worse ways of being in the world.
Non-believers are often offended by believers, so there is no monopoly on offense.
MegF142857 1 year ago
Well said Philip. I certainly won't read it. You may be surprised to know that by looking at God's laws in the Bible God has told us what is right and what is wrong, what do to and not to do. I always surprises me how people think that they are God and that they have the right to do anything they please. No wonder the world is in such a mess.
butcherjw 1 year ago
@butcherjw Which iteration of "God's Law" are we following this week. It seems a question that only those blinded by faith can answer. For every deviant Mormon pedophile polygamist, dance free Baptist, or Branch Davidian out there you have some other purveyor of "God's Law" ready to slit the throat of those who blaspheme...If you don't understand then move to Saudi Arabia. If you derive your morality from a book then truly you are immoral.
phatferr 1 year ago