Matty Orchard - Gay Marriage and Bestiality - Part 1

[ZooUnity]

^-^ these comments are ludicrous.

[dallimar77]

Reaction during: Pretty damn funny. Reaction after: That's really kind'a sad. I mean, the reason it's funny is because he's making fun of the fact that most of the extreme anti-gay activist are gay themselves and doing it to prove they aren't. It's really sad that they've been raised to be so ashamed of themselves for having feelings about other people of the same sex. To instill a child with values that create such self-hatred is just disgusting...

[dewdong]

ergh GAY!

[LGBTpower]

Tim, you are really a closed minded individual!

Pederasty refers to TEENS, not children.

A 14 year old boy has pubic hair, erections, and is fully capable of having orgasms. He is able to consent, and there is no reason why he cannot be taught the pleasures of sex by an older man!!!

5000 years ago, he would have been a father to two kids already!

Humans evolved, I know know you dont believe in that, but maybe you need to evolve a bit.

[DanielVelador]

TIMOTHYRED1990 is the stupidest mother fucker I have ever heard. The funny thing is that guys like him usually end up having gay, rebellious children. Not just typical homos, but those FLAMING HOMOS that are so full of hatred toward their hateful and ignorant parents. I have seen it so many times, and that kind of JUSTICE always makes me smile.. so when he has kids and notices that some of them might be gay, he will be in denial, but never will he forget this comment.

[RealRula]

I TOTALLY AGREE!!

He has some DEEP issues!

[xAngelxAlchemistx]

I so totally agree as well!

Timothy Red is so stupid. Why do so many people think that gay men = pedophiles or something?

[DanielVelador]

TIMOTHYRED1990 is the stupidest mother fucker I have ever heard. The funny thing is that guys like him usually end up having gay, rebellious children. Not just typical homos, but those FLAMING HOMOS that are so full of hatred toward their hateful and ignorant parents. I have seen it so many times, and that kind of JUSTICE always makes me smile.. so when he has kids and notices that some of them might be gay, he will be in denial, but never will he forget this comment.

[WolfeSpirit]

First of all if a adult is really wanting children then give that person a chance granted there should be background checks done go to the persons house and see the environment that the child will be living in. That is for heterosexual and GLBT parents.

[TimothyRed1990]

I never said that.

[TimothyRed1990]

yeah, but the foster home has a mother and a father, to pattern off of, to form the childs psyche. To learn how a married couple relates to the opposite sex, so they can grow up, and relate to their spouse!

[indicatoto101]

So people can't relate to others of the same sex? Interesting.

[WolfeSpirit]

First of all if a adult is really wanting children then give that person a chance granted there should be background checks done go to the persons house and see the environment that the child will be living in. That is for heterosexual and GLBT parents.

[TimothyRed1990]

yes! background checks! If they find any evidence of homosexuality, pedophila or other persons, the person should be disqualified.

[ShunGuan]

but you did not answer my question. That was what should the Hospital do. If the parents are no where to be found or there is no husband and wife around wanting a child. Surly the hospital will not hold on to the baby very long.

[ShunGuan]

WolfeSpirit is my life partner and accidentally logged on to my name, just in case this message is confusing. :)

[xAngelxAlchemistx]

TimothyRed on your background check post:

Why not do a background check on everyone then? Just eliminate all people who are pedophiles, abusers, make bad judgements, thieves, antisocial, never home, homosexual, have an IQ of less than a 90, single, non religious, or don't speak English? You are focusing on issues that inhibit parenting and then comparing them to issues that don't.

Pedos have sex with children so children would be unsafe with the children. How is that comparable to gay parents?

[TimothyRed1990]

There is a background check on everyone who wants to adopt a child.

Some states like Florida dont allow anyone with a history or homosexuality to adopt.

and yes, pedophiles, abusers, people who made bad judgements (like drug addiction and drunk driving), thieves, homosexual, have an IQ of less than a 90, or religious zealots should not and DO not get their hands on children.

Theres a whole group of male homosexuals that are attracted to teen males. "Pederasts" they call themselves. sick

[WolfeSpirit]

Well obviously you have never been in foster homes. Well I got news for you I have and all I had was a mother. Granted she was a Christian and she was against homosexuals but she did accept me for who I am, not because I am gay. See after reading this conversation well I think it is really stupid but at the same time people have different opinions and beliefs but got to realize that not every one will not agree with your belief.

[WolfeSpirit]

I used to drive a school bus and I have worked with many kids plus I have started a lot GSA groups in the USA so there are a lot of people out there like you that are so strong in there beliefs that I listen to them and I can understand what they are saying and there view points on this subject and I will agree and disagree.

[WolfeSpirit]

Now for your belief. I understand you say that a child should not part from a mother. Well I agree with you but lets say that the mother dies/puts it for adoption/etc. what then.

[WolfeSpirit]

I know you may say give the child to someone else in the family and give to a husband wife that will take care of the baby. I want you to work with me on this. The family cant be found and there are no husband and wife wanting to adopt and the hospitals can not hold on the the baby for very long. So what should they do?

[TimothyRed1990]

the solution would be foster parents, hell, even lesbians I guess, but please, just please DONT GIVE TWO HOMOSEXUAL MEN A BOY CHILD!

[ShunGuan]

Again, I think you're focusing too much on the gender issue. Not all gay men act like women, for example. You should watch the Birdcage, that's a great example of two gay men who have raised a well-adjusted heterosexual male child. Plus, you're still equating gay men with pedophiles, and that's extremely unfair to the vast majority of gay men who are NOT pedophiles. You're asking agencies to help kill the weeds by freezing the garden. Wrong answer.

[TimothyRed1990]

Dude! The Birdcage was fiction!

[ShunGuan]

Dude! I'm glad you mentioned fiction! I've sent you a link regarding fiction vs. fact regarding same-sex adoption by male couples.  I'd appreciate it if you would look at it please. The sources it mentions are extremely credible, and I do not consider this propaganda as this is not an attack against heterosexual families but rather a suggestion that the two types of families can co-exist peacefully. In the spirit of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, I'd like to believe this.

[TimothyRed1990]

If homosexuals are allowed to marry, it could make it easier for them to adopt! Aside from the molestation issue, What about the poor child who has to grow up without a mother? Do you know how important the bond is between a male child and his mother!? Even a homosexual would admit a close bond with his mother. The poor kid has TWO DADS! I'm sure a few kids could make it through ok, but the majority would be hopelessly emotionally scarred.

[TrueMoab1]

What about the poor kid that has to get shipped from foster home to foster home when there is a loving same-sex family out there wanting to adopt him?

[QuixoticOtaku]

Statistically, most molesters are straight-identified males.

[TimothyRed1990]

yes, statistically cars are more dangerous than motorcycles too, but that is because cars outnumber motorcyles more than ten to one. Some times you have to look at statistics differently to get the right answer.

[ShunGuan]

Yes, because lesbians never adopt kids. Way to cover all the bases in your skewed logic.

[TimothyRed1990]

first of all lesbians never molest kids. Second, the same problem would exist if they had a little boy, with no father figure to pattern off, it would adversly affect him.

[sillytoy]

Bullshit. Some lesbians molest kids. Some gay men molest kids. Some straight men molest kids. Some straight women molest kids. Any respectable therapist for these children would find your ignorance as sad as the rest of us do. I would rather a kid be raised by a same-sex couple than one that would abuse him or her, and you make it STAGGERINGLY obvious that you haven't done case research. I don't care how old you are. Grow up.

[TimothyRed1990]

the incidence of lesbians molesting kids is so small that it not even statistically happening. It is around .00001%.

2ND.. YOUR COMPARISON IS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALS AND ABUSERS??! HOW SAD!!

[ShunGuan]

Ah, CAPS LOCK. The refuge of the stereotypical and overreacting fool.

Here's a tip. Look up "LGBT parenting" on Wikipedia. Read what the APA case studies have to say, case studies more intelligent than your rantings. Acknowledge that same-sex parents can raise healthy and balanced children who unfortunately must devote an ENTIRE WEBSITE to defending their parents against crazies with outdated theories like yours. Admit your ignorance and come live in this place we call "reality".

[TimothyRed1990]

well, I'm 18 next year and I'm going to fight for childrens rights NOT to be put in this Homosexual "parent" situtation. We will be working to pass laws that no NEW homosexual adoptions will take place. (we will put a grandfather clause so that children are not ripped away from the only families they know)

[ShunGuan]

Never mind, I should have known you were some clueless bigoted kid without any idea of what you're fighting. Just don't be surprised when the straight children of gay parents come back and fight against your pitiful attempts to treat their families as second-class citizens. Your empty threat of a grandfather clause reminds me of the ones that kept black people from voting. The clauses you propose will eventually meet the same fate.

[TimothyRed1990]

empty threat? The grandfather clause would let children living in homosexual "families" be allowed to keep lving there. How is that bad??!

[ShunGuan]

That's bad for those gay parents who want to adopt in the future, like my life partner and me. This clause would not let us be the loving, decent, protective parents we could otherwise be, and I know for certain we could be just as good as any heterosexual couple in raising a well-adjusted and healthy child.

[TimothyRed1990]

So what about a little girl, and she has two "MOMS", what about the bond between father and daughter,all the important things in life that a dad does with his daughter? and when she grows up, her relationships with men, are based on this relationship, whether good or bad, that she has with her father, but wait, this girl had NO FATHER!. its a freakin vacuum!

[ShunGuan]

Do you feel the same way for little girls who are raised by a single mother? I thought you were supportive of lesbian parents. Also, don't prescribe to all of Freud's theories as the standard. Gender roles aren't as clearly defined nowadays, and there are psychologically documented methods of getting around the whole Electra complex. Instead of insisting that there's no other solution to this gender problem, you might want to consider alternatives.

[ShunGuan]

See, I have relationship problems, and I was raised by heterosexuals. As a bisexual, my problems have little to do with the strong bond either of my parents have with me. You have to take into account that there are many more factors that arise in life independent of parenting. Compare healthy relationships of girls raised by straight parents to healthy relationships of girls raised by gay parents or single moms. They do exist, and knowing them is how we move forward as a civilization.

[ShunGuan]

Honestly, are you delusional and brainwashed enough to think you're granting rights to orphaned kids? No, what you're doing is taking those rights away. Children should have the right to loving parents, yes, INCLUDING gay couples that will adopt them, and you obviously have no clue how adoption works if you think that gay couples all want to steal children from straight parents.

[ShunGuan]

Ultimately, you're ignoring the real issue: If ANY couple is unfit, the child should go to one that is. You are not entitled to determine the definition of unfit, especially at your age. Straight or gay, it doesn't matter, for as PROVEN by the APA, the child is no more likely to be maladjusted being raised by homosexuals then they are by heterosexuals.

[ShunGuan]

Finally, I know you're not of them, but there are kids who have the ability to employ reasonable thought and a solid moral compass. Some are actually intelligent, progressive, and not afraid of what they don't understand. But hey, the more you resist a civil right, the more likely it will happen. So don't let me stop you.

[TimothyRed1990]

molesting children is not a civil right!

[ShunGuan]

You're right, it's not. Thank God that so very few gay male parents don't do that. Didn't you ever learn any of this in Psychology class? I'm gay, and I despise gay child molesters as much as you do. It's just too bad you're getting your information from biased sources rather than credible people who actually know the facts. If you won't face the truth, then no one will be able to help you, and that's the bottom line.

[TimothyRed1990]

I learned it when i was 13, and a homosexual molested me.

[ShunGuan]

Yes, and that gay person deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life. But that doesn't give you any right to treat all gay men like they molest kids that when it's VERY obvious that most don't. That's very unfair to take your experience and apply it to every gay parent, since you'd be preventing millions of good, decent gay parents from raising children.

[ShunGuan]

Also, it might interest you to know that both my mate and I were raped as well when we were younger, yet neither of us hates gay people as a result. The problem is the molester, not their sexual orientation. It's not because they're gay or straight that they molest. It's because they lack morals. You should target the real problem, pedophilia. Leave sexual orientation out of it and allow the many gay people who aren't pedophiles to help you stop this disgusting sexual misbehavior.

[TimothyRed1990]

so, let me get this straight, you two guys were both molested by men, and now you are both homosexuals, and now YOU want to adopt kids?!

[ShunGuan]

No, not just yet. We're going to wait until we're both secure in our careers and living together before we consider it. And we were both attracted to men before we were molested. Our orientation had nothing to do with the molesters, and Wolfe's molesters were attracted to adult women. They were the perverted pedophiles, not us. If we adopt, he and I will destroy ANYONE who so much as touches our child in an inappropriate way. Our child will have a good life. I promise that.