Atheism Saved! in just 5:47!!! aka Re: ATHEISM DESTROYED IN UNDER 4 MIN !!!

[mockersno1]

I just wanna say from a christian view that GOD was and still is big enough to create and do what he wants, thats why hes the living God and unless you meet him for yourself you will never understand who GOD is.

Secondly, if you count to ten you count 1, 2, 3, 4, etc wheres 0? how can you make 1 from 0? if you take 1 you can cut it into 2, 2 into 3, 3 into 4 etc, what is zero? GOD!!!!! something or someone had to make 1, us the universe(s).

Why do we try to understand the unexplainable things?

[epnok]

atheism saved...in 5:48 seconds....im so glad we can all count here

[hanskung10990014901]

The universe cannot exist for an infinite amount of time, that is just mathemathically and philosophically impossible, which is really the only way we can prove the universe existed forever. There is a reason why mathemathicians cannot work with the number of infinity. Do you even fully grasp the concept of infinite existence?

[wybo2]

You deserve more viewers!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work

[OFFICIALreaper5]

You didnt have to do this. He didnt even touch effects on atheism Im not any religon. I think its mentally ill and needs to be checked out with cancer in its ass.

[knicholes]

That's funny-- A commenter mentioned being the 666th view. I'm the 67th comment (reading 66 comments). I'm a Mormon, so I believe in the Judeo-Christian God. I'm also a computer scientist who has been in many physics classes. :D

Thank you for showing Random331 his flawed thinking. I appreciate your cool, calm, thoughtful response.

I read your comments and listened to your video, but I still am dissatisfied with your explanation of my God being too weak to create the universe(s). Expound?

[JeremyOrOmega]

Random331 filters comments ¬¬. Not a good sport I suppose, then again 95% of all theists on Youtube filter comments...

[zwoman99]

i've seen "Atheism Destroyed In Under 4Minutes" and it was total and complete bs. Lewiseu pwned Random311!! :)

[novamongoose]

So this guy says that he judeo-chrisian god is too small/weak to create the multiverse-then doesn't say why he thinks that. Why does he ad that? Is it not enough that you atheists don't believe in God but you have to attack my God, my faith and me? furthermore, he doesn't even say WHY he thinks that.

[lewiseu]

@novamongoose in the video, granted, I don't, but I believe I have explained adequately why I have made that statement in the comments here, since others have asked why I think and said that.

Also, just because I call the God of the Judeo-Christian faith weak doesn't mean I am attacking you, personally, ultimately, the only reason why it could be seen as an attack is because I'm pointing out a seeming logical limitation that God has. Something that God apparently can't have.

[eboyd32]

LOL! did you freeze the video at 666 views somehow or is it just a coincidence that i'm the 666th view :D

[lewiseu]

@eboyd32 either you're just the lucky 666th viewer, or, youtube is being slow in updating the view count :B

[eboyd32]

haha! that's quite a funny coincidence lol!

[eboyd32]

damn atheist heathens we are ;)

[DerrickBlank]

very nice lew. Even if you don't convince him on the science, It is pretty clear that the christian god would not have to have been the god that created the universe, because there was nothing even vaguely describing the big bang in genesis

[ISS5731]

pwn'd

[TeaChanPunker]

Thumbs UP!

Thanking for making this. That guy was an idiot.

[pkmnprincess]

That's all.. oh.. and I dunno about you.. but my comments section reads from bottom to top.. so, if you would like to read my comments.. best to start at the beginning.. if what you see is no different from what I see, then you had best start at the comment that is lowest on the screen. :)

[pkmnprincess]

Religions that follow God's laws are correct religions.. but I feel like religions that accept Jesus are better.. Mine follows the Bible.. and the Bible seems perfect to me.. however, I am only 17.. I still have a lot more studying to do.. and I intend to do a lot more studying. Can't wait to get to college. It's a whole new ball game.

[pkmnprincess]

However, I also believe that my just and merciful God gives everyone the same opportunity to come to Him..

and probably... if those people out there never hear of Him at all.. are never given the chance.. then God would not punish them with death..

How can those with no understanding of God's law disobey that law..? Sounds impossible to me.

[pkmnprincess]

Now, I am not saying that reading the Bible is the only way to Heaven.. it is the people that believe in and adhere to God's commandments that will get to heaven.. the only ones empowered to do so in my religion are the ones who believe in Jesus.. The night I accepted Jesus, I felt the Holy Spirit upon me.. and so I am sure that my way is A right way...

[HunterLovell]

The night little Omar started worshipping Allah, he felt the Holy Spirit Gabriel upon him...so he is sure that his way is A right way. Poor little Omar is so convinced. Little does he know that he will spend eternity in the fire along with all those buddhist children. Damn.

[pkmnprincess]

On a different note: I believe it was MY God.. and not some "other god" that created the universe.. because my God helps me.. He helps me and shows me things all the time.. He fills me with His Spirit.. After first seeking Him, these things began to occur in my life.. Good things.. it is through these that I know Him..

[pkmnprincess]

Love is about caring about the happiness of all people and salvation of them.. so that they might attain true happiness and not be eternally separated from God.. but mostly.. caring, yes..

Caring about all people.. unconditionally.. caring about anyone.

That is real love.

That is God's love..

People today have defined love differently.. twisted the word.. added things to it.. human connotations..

as opposed to God's denotation..

[proudfootz]

If it were important for people not to be 'separated from god' then that god should do something about it.

Why this god hides from us and allows natural disasters and criminal acts to cause infinite suffering among humanity is the most immoral thing imaginable.

[pkmnprincess]

but the Bible says that he who does not know God does not know Love..(1 John 4?) I believe in that.. Love is entirely selfless.. it's not because you want something from someone.. you don't want them.. you don't lust for them.. you don't even "care about their safety because they are just so amazing to you" that would mean that they make you happy and that's why you want/love/care about them..

[proudfootz]

Apparently this god of the bible doesn't love us because it wants something from us: worship.

[pkmnprincess]

Then they formulated more and more theories over time.. and are convincing people early that it exists.. while the teaching of religion is more restricted now.. and always becoming more restricted..

So, I am saying that at first.. the driving forces behind science and Atheism were a lack of faith in God.. and did pursue the "why" question..

I am not saying that all Atheists today are bad people..

[proudfootz]

There are plenty of [people teaching religion - muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc. That should make you happy.

But it also makes sense that some people are teaching useful information too: how to prevent or cure disease, how to get better crop yields, how to build earthquake resistant housing, etc.

[Christianshavutubes2]

How to prevent or cure disease: 1. Don't disobey God and let disease into the world in the first place 2. Don't be gluttonous and lazy and allow your body to become disease 3. Pray, having full faith that God will take your disease away 4. Don't care that you have a disease, because this life doesn't matter anyways. Follow God and make the most of the life you have

[dmikedrab]

I find this very offensive. I am 18 years old and have a genetic disease called Hemophilia. Pt. 1. Hemophilia is the oldest genetic disease in the world (mentioned in the bible) meaning it was around before Jesus. If Jesus died for our sins why wasn't this disease cured? Pt. 2. Hemophilia, along with most diseases, have nothing to do with gluttony or laziness, in fact it has to do with the x chromosome coming from a woman. Pt 3. I was raised Catholic and told to pray, never worked.

[dmikedrab]

Pt. 4. I don't care that I have a disease. I do the best I can. I know that I will never be cured. However, it pisses me off that since most Christians believe in an afterlife they can decide what happens in my life. They can decide that stem cell research, the only hope for curing a genetic disease, either gets studied or does not. They can decide whether I can get healthcare not based on pre existing conditions. Religion has this world by the balls and is the reason it has gotten worse.

[DerrickBlank]

prayer is no more likely to cure a person than farting 3 times in a day. Prayer is no more likely to cure disease than no prayer. never been 1 valid study to show otherwise. If there were, I'd convert. Why don't amputees get their limbs back when they pray? because its a completely unambiguous situation.

[Christianshavutubes2]

How to get better crop yields: 1. Don't mess with God's wonderful garden of nature in the first place 2. Some other reason (I'm really tired and I have an essay to write)

Lol.. Sorry.. I guess I lost seriousness.. :/

But these things don't matter as much..

As a Christian, I believe that the most important thing is that we should all just be the best we can and try to help each other..

[Christianshavutubes2]

It's nice to try to improve the lives we have on Earth, I'll give you that..

It's a way that maybe we'll be able to help each other.. I hope..

However.. It's not the most most important thing..

[proudfootz]

There was a quote from somebody saying something about loving our neighbors was the most important thing....

[Christianshavutubes2]

I also believe that it's a little useless.. you see.. ever since the fall of man (Eve ate the apple - death, sin, and disease were introduced into the world) this world has been getting progressively worse... and then we try to improve it.. but sometimes.. oftentimes.. we are only unknowingly destroying some part of God's creation. That's what I believe.. :/

(pkmnprincess replying from her new youtube account)

[pkmnprincess]

Science is people attempting to explain God's world.. Instead of asking "why" and believing in God or something outside themselves.. they are selfish.. do not want to follow God's laws.. have too much pride.. decide to pursue the question of "why" in other realms, because they have too much pride.. and they want to do things for themselves.. they are not humble.. and did not like always to have to be good.. or to rely on God.. so they began to try to explain away God's world..

[proudfootz]

It's silly to assume the motives of those who are trying to understand the world we live in are merely 'selfish' - after all that science has done to make life better for society as a whole: more food, better medicine, predicting and controlling natural disasters, etc.

I suppose we should 'humbly' accept disease and starvation and all as gifts from some god.

[pkmnprincess]

Ok, here goes:

0.o It sounds like that video and this video are saying the exact same things.. 0.o Only your video is more detailed...

0.o

None of the theories makes much sense.. all we know is that there had to be something "there".

I believe it was God.. because science can't explain it any further... and because God exists as a power.. He is beyond science.. doesn't need science..

[HunterLovell]

Hey lewiseu. I really like your video responce.

I´m an atheist and I think that the person whos video you responded to was really jumping into conclusions. But, ok, for the sake of argument if the judeo-christian god created the universe, why do you think it would be too weak to create the macroverse?

[lewiseu]

Presuming that a multiverse actually does exist, it follows that not all the universe in this multiverse have the same natural laws that our universe has.

The Biblical God is claimed to be omnipotent, but that, in itself is a logical loop hole, so it's often condensed to being able to do all logically possible things.

[lewiseu]

Since these universe don't necessarily have the same natural laws as our universe, what's logically possible in our universe is not in another, and vice-versa, hence, God isn't powerful enough to have created all of it, since those universes would render it essentially powerless.

Basically, Gods power is limited by our imagination, and a universe with very different natural laws to the one we exist in is beyond our imagination.

[pkmnprincess]

I have a whole whole whole lot to say about this video.. :/ but it would take me about seven comments.. Would it be okay if I left those seven comments.. or some other number..? Or do you have an e-mail address or something through which I might reply to your video..? although, I do like youtube, because then everyone could see my argument over this issue..

[lewiseu]

I generally don't place any restrictions on the replies I get (video or textual). You're welcome to make whatever reply you want, indeed, I encourage it, good or bad :B

[needafixedgear]

thanks man, completely shattered the basic points of atheism destroyed

[jackles111]

Christians claim their God is omnipotent. How is that too small? I though maybe because He spends so much time interacting with one planet in one universe He might seem small, but then again, if He's omnipotent, it wouldn't be out of His realm of possibility to micromanage Earth while having this huge omniverse existing in the background.

I've never hear of the Judeo-Christian God as being described as small - I'm curious: what brought you to that conclusion?

[statix1027]

in this video you did not save atheism u actually helped destroy it by admitting that you cannot disprove that the universe was created by a god what was the point?

[BCMatsuyama]

Atheism is the belief that you do not believe that a God does not exsist. No one can prove that God doesn't exsist nor can you prove that a God does exsists. The fact that Atheists think that the universe was created through a scientific act is more believable than that God lifted his finger to create the universe

[statix1027]

i understand i just dont get why every atheist tries to make god look like a joke when their so called proof is just as unbelievable

[EclecticSceptic]

Its not so called proof, its proof.

You cant argue with truth, thats why its truth.

Believers in Gods are on the backfoot because they could never show any evidence to support this belief.

[statix1027]

how do u know its truth? there is no proof to it they teach evolution in school when its not proven and say its truth so how could u really know anything? you dont.

[lewiseu]

Forgive my poor wording, I tend to do these video's unscripted, and my not being a good public speaker means that my wording is clumsy.

Either way, Evolution is not only 'Truth', it's a Fact.

Evolution has so much evidence going for it to prove it, that, if it were put on trial the (hypothetical) jury wouldn't even need a minute to deliberate and come to a verdict.

[EclecticSceptic]

Evolution is as proven as gravity or atoms.

If you dont BELIEVE in evolution why not choose to NOT BELIEVE in the sun or tectonic movement

[statix1027]

are u kidding? is that some sort of joke? evolution is not proven and never will be unless u can go back in time and watch it happen u sound retarded its a theory not a fact

[lewiseu]

You may want to learn what a scientific theory actually means, in the sciences, if something is a theory it's effectively been rubber stamped with a seal of approval. If something is a theory it represents all the evidence and facts and, if necessary, mathematics, that support a hypothesis.

If something is a Theory, then it's proven, in the sciences, Theory is analogous to Fact.

[lewiseu]

Can a theory be wrong, of course it can, theories have built in falsifiability, but, to dismiss something based on it being 'just a theory' is silly. If you want to do that, then why do you accept gravity? Or a Helio-centric model of the solar system? Or Germ Theory? Or Nuclear Physics? ad nauseum

The fact that you're able to connect to the internet and 'share' your stone age views is, in part, thanks to probably dozens of 'only theories', do you deny those too, because they're 'only theories'?

[EclecticSceptic]

Can you see electrons?

Because if you can't then ignore their existence and make sure to rip everything built on this concept to pieces.

Its funny that you figure yourself of higher intellectual importance than over a century of rigorous experimentation and observation, under which the "theory" has never been disproving.

Evolution is the unifying concept of biology, what you are suggesting would undermine all theknowledge we have of living things.

[EclecticSceptic]

By the way "it doesn't exist" isn't an argument that something is false. It's like saying "because"

Also saying "it can't be proven" is hilarious and redundant because , wait for it, it has been proven.

The only thing in question, (making it a theory) are the intricacies within the evolutionary process.

Anyway wheres the constructive criticism? Where is YOUR side? A handful of dust + a rib = a man and a woman

6000 yrs ago = dinosaurs + humans + all animals on a giant boat

Fuck you

[matt111112222]

you;re saying the jew/christian god is to small to crete the universe, when all of the christian teachings say that god is all powerful. im completly sure what part of all powerful u dont understand. also ur tlkaing about an omniverse which is just a theory without even a thred of evidence. you ask what created god i ask what created this single point of polarity. difference being illl give u an answer. its noncomprehendable as to how god was created b.c all the laws that exist now did not then

[amberdawnb]

They always say the same: Disprove me that God exists! It is not my job to disprove that fairies, dragons, unicorns or trolls exist. If you believe in these creatures it is on your shoulders to show me evidence of why you believe in them, especially if you want me to believe too. To counter #4 Disprove me the theory of the aztecs of the creation of the universe! no you cannot ?!?!...then it must be true!! haha!. Props mate for replying with a video to this nonsense.

[rbaron81]

Good video! Even thoguh there are more arguments for the other video, you did a fairly good job of refuting it. I realize why he disabled the comments because the video is just a lame,weak, and illogical. It was a good laugh for me though.

Firstly I want to clear up the fact that atheism is merely a disbelief and/or denial of gods. That's it and nothing more. So basically his video was for naught because atheists are individuals and have independent understanding of the world.

[ljovian]

All this work into proving absolutely nothing.

To discredit #4 - I find it hard to believe the God theory because he flat out lied in his history book. He skipped a whole lot of things we can prove now. Sure, the book says "I did it!" But when we analyze his report of what and how he did it - oddly enough his report skipped EVOLUTION (proven) therefore he made it up. Lying heathen - confusing us poor hairless monkeys for so long.

BTW, I discovered cold fusion. Buy my book to validate it.

[karachogm]

well 1# isn´t disproved only because it isn´t scientific, but it´s impossible to be proved or disproved, so it´s not destreyod only because it´s not scientific, but it could be true.

but we can´t test it so we test the others

[AtheistChase]

For the last refutation, they might answer that god is omnipotent, to which you answer with the omnipotence paradox, to which they respond that their god is omnipotent with in the boundaries of logic. What do you answer?

[lewiseu]

Logic is rather a limiting factor in itself, because we are inherently limited. I would hazard a guess that many universes (and, potentially, multi-verses) are logically untenable. If god is only omnipotent to the limit of logic, then god would not be able to create the multi/uni-verses.

Disregarding that, even if god were powerful enough to create a multi/omni-verse, it doesn't prove that the Christian god made it, just the possibility that /a/ god made it.

[thehoogard]

Even if we didn't have any explanation at all it still wouldn't mean that the God hypothesis was true.

Is that so hard to get? Deduction by elimination of "all" possible explantions isn't appliccable here. (since you can't possibly know all explanations).

[SuperDoomandgloom]

Well done, dude.

[chloe3353]

you forgot to add that none of his points had anything to do with atheism, simply the origins of the universe, which again makes the ignorant boob that posted that video sound like a complete ass.

[pawntakesking0]

very nicely done

[quleughy]

Nice vid, but possibly wasted. Random331 is obviously a roll trying to get a reaction out of people. Unless, he is on Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort levels of stupidity, but even then I'm not even convinced those two were ever out for anything but attention.

[oggleman]

Good video, is random331 a troll? His arguments are ridiculous misrepresentations that are easily destroyed. Poe's law anyone?

[KoDT69]

I really love how these Theist fucktards like to say since our current knowledge does not explain the beginning of matter that it MUST have been God. The problem with that is that God is imaginary. Ancient man created Gods to explain things they didn't understand. As science improved, Gods disappeared. People cling to this last incarnation of a God out of fear. PROVE THERE IS A GOD SCIENTIFICALLY OR STFU THEIST FUCKTARDS! Show us God, and be able to replicate your process. Creationists are dumb.

[TheMackQuigleyReport]

What wilfully stupid anti-logic.

"... the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness." (Pr.15:2).

[lewiseu]

Please specify where I have gone wrong.

And don't point to the whole video, but point to specific points of the video (even if it all of them) and provide your arguments on those points or otherwise explain how or why I am wrong.

At the very least it will help me to not make the same mistakes again.

[TheMackQuigleyReport]

Lack of space prevents sufficiently un-explaining all your foolish thinking.

I'll just say this: Admit the universe did not begin by natural scientific laws, and #2 and #3 are discarded. Your "omniverse" garbage is just a supernatural religious fantasy you made up under #4 because you didn't explore the question of "Who is God?"

The answer to that is in the Bible (proved true supernatural revelation by attested miracles and prophesy).

Get saved by Jesus Christ before it is too late.

[lewiseu]

Part 1

"Lack of space prevents sufficiently un-explaining all your foolish thinking."

Odd how easy it is to break out a reply into multiple comments.

"I'll just say this: Admit the universe did not begin by natural scientific laws, and? #2 and #3 are discarded."

First, how do you know that the universe started by supernatural means?

Furthermore, if the means are super natural, how would you even *know* that it was caused by super natural means in the first place.

[lewiseu]

Part 2

Second, I fail to see how accepting a supernatural explanation of the beginning of the universe necessarily counter argues what I said about points two and three.

"Your "omniverse" garbage is just a supernatural religious fantasy you made up under #4 because you didn't explore the question of "Who is God?""

I'll admit, the omniverse was an extrapolation on my part based on M-Theory's Multi-verse

[lewiseu]

Part 3

(in essence, if a multi-verse exists in 11th dimensional space, then, adding another dimension would create an omniverse populated with multi-verses).

However, such a thing is not supernatural, since, well, if it exists, it 'naturally' exists, it's not religious since I don't have a dogma with regards to it, I don't pray to it, I don't preach the gospel about it, in essence, I don't change my life because of it.

[lewiseu]

Part 4

Basically, it's one possible answer to the existence of the universe, that's about all.

"The answer to that is in the Bible (proved true supernatural revelation by attested miracles and prophesy)."

It's awesome you've got a source of information supporting your claims. I'd advise you visit the science section of your local library, I'm sure you'll find hundreds of sources of information supporting the claims of atheists and non religious alike.

[lewiseu]

Part 5

"Get saved by Jesus Christ before it is too late."

To be saved is to be saved from hell, correct?

What if have no belief in Hell? Why would I then need to save myself from a mental construct that you have chained yourself to?

[ronniwilson]

"The singularity point proves that there must have been something there." yeah? where did that something come from?

[lewiseu]

Did I not point out in the video that we don't actually *know* what caused the big bang?

As mentioned, I assumed he got the 'the universe came from nothing' argument by misunderstanding the big bang theory, when, all said theory states is that the universe expanded from a singularity point, as in, it expanded from something.

The universe could have been made by a creator, or not, there's no evidence to prove or disprove either option..

[ronniwilson]

Understood. All I was trying to point out is that somewhere during the creation of the universe, matter must have originated from nothing, and as I'm sure you know that violates the laws of nature, so that immediately disproves any theories that do not involve a divine being. So, you say we cannot prove that God exists, I say we can prove it by deduction, I dont know how God created the univers (big bang etc.) but a divine being must have been involved.

[lewiseu]

Part 1

Matter is a form of energy, indeed, matter and energy are interchangeable. The Law of Conservation of Energy could reference Matter instead.

The correct argument would be to say that Energy must have come from nothing (since Energy was first, not matter, the universe had to cool a couple hundred million years before it was cool enough to be able to form matter).

But the point is missed regardless, the singularity point would, logically, contain all the energy of the universe, meaning...

[lewiseu]

Part 2

...all the energy of the universe originated from that singularity.

Again, there is no evidence one way or the other to say whether a creator created this singularity and caused it to go bang in the first place, but, there are hypotheses that go some way to try to explain how the big bang occurred without invoking an omnipotent being.

Deduction isn't proof, you need some sort of evidence to back up the deduction, and there is no evidence to suggest that the god hypothesis is correct.