The Glendale Police Check Point In Glendale, CA

[jpc4256]

Why would you need to "Prepare to show license" at a DUI checkpoint?

If the checkpoint is established solely to look for intoxicated drivers (which has been deemed to be a threat so grave that constitutional protections against random stops should be waived), then the officers at the checkpoint should look for that. See if the driver is impaired. Done.

The "show license" business is solely to get us acclimated to a "papers please" society where we have to produce our documents on demand.

[solimiansky]

they call it a dui check point but its targeted at drivers with no license so they can tow their car for 30 days @ $200 a day so the police and city make a lot of money its a racket!!! car seizures in california is illegal and the cops know that!

[2204Alpha]

Yes DUI checkpoints are totally legal, so says the US Supreme Court. Go to a law library and do your own research.

[jpc4256]

@2204Alpha Agreed.

The theory behind the legitimacy of DUI checkpoints is that this threat - driving while intoxicated - is so grave that it warrants (no pun intended) circumventing the usual constitutional protections against random stops and searches.

However, many police departments use DUI checkpoints as "one stop shopping sprees" to look for drugs, for illegals, for people with suspended licenses, expired registration tags, and so on.

[rrperez31]

i got a question. maybe someone can help me.

the other night i had a beer to drink, so better safe than sorry i let my friend who doesnt have a license drive my truck back home with me. so as we are driving down the road we fall into a police checkpoint. he gets a ticket and my truck gets impounded. im told that i have to wait 30 days to get it back and pay the impound fee. is there any other way for me to get my truck back sooner than 30 days???

[Tactikalguy1]

Well, there is a couple of things you can do. However, that is not the problem. the problem is when the shit hits the fan, will you keep moving foward or just freeze up. I have talked to many that say i need help I will do whatever, but as soon as handcuffs are put on to scare them or they are lied to, they quit and shut up. I am tired of that.

[TDog4444]

what i violation of the 4th amendment.  may these cops rot in hell.

[conotoxin]

Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990).

The Supreme Court held that these checkpoints met the 4th Amendment standard of "reasonable search and seizure."

The constitution defines the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutionality, so the claims "they are unconstitutional" and "violates the 4th amendment" are just dead wrong.

Thank your local police for the checkpoints! They are taking the DUIs off the road!

[TruthUnderFire]

Call it what you want. Glendale PD are part of the BIGGEST racket in CA. One reason they are one of the richest cities from traffic revenue. It makes me sick to even drive through this town and see them sitting around like vultures, waiting.

Scumbags.

[conotoxin]

I call it constitutional. You don't have to like your constitution, just abide by it.

And why is it you feel that DUI drivers should be allowed to drive on the roads?

Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990).

The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of constitutionality, so the claims "they are unconstitutional" and "violates the 4th amendment" are just dead wrong.

Thank your local police for the checkpoints! They are taking the DUIs off the road!

[TruthUnderFire]

Have you ever lived in or spent time in Glendale, CA? If you had, you would understand that this is just ONE MORE way to get fines, traffic dollars. These cops and city officials are literally like vultures in this town. Unless you have spent time in Glendale, or Montrose, or Burbank you will never understand.

You are FREE to have your opinion, but when these idiots come knocking on your door to take away more of your rights, don't come crying to anyone.

[conotoxin]

TruthUnderFire - Doesn't change the fact that roadblocks are constitutional.

Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990).

You want to change it? Fine. Go out and try to change it.

Lying about it however simply reduces your credibility.

[TruthUnderFire]

Lying about what? Are you Glendale PD? If so, I'd like to meet with you in person, the next time I am in LA. If you are GPD, your town and it's officials needs to be cleaned up. It's police and judges are criminals, no better than the guy who snatches a purse on Brand Blvd. The Colabro family are some of the biggest group of organized criminals in LA county.

[TruthUnderFire]

That is apoint well taken. However, knowingly, or unknowingly when when is part of a system with criminal intent, one is responsible for his or her affiliation. Therefore this statement can be read as true.

You still have not answered my questions. Are you GPD? Have you been through glendale, lived there or spent any time there?

Thx,

Truth

[TruthUnderFire]

Furthermore, when one steals and his buddy watches out for the police, the one watching out is still as guilty of the crime. This person is known as an accessory, correct?

[TruthUnderFire]

Doc,

I got my LVN equiv in the military. I played God in the field, in the Gulf War, and also worked some trauma when I got out. So I share your sentiment regarding law and order. I think that when it cuts across the line (as it often does) I am one of the few that speaks up about it. My cousin is a former US attorrney. He and I speak often about that line. His advice is always: "Don't break the law, but KNOW your rights (and law) so you are not taken advantage of. Watch what you say, etc."

[OpenComments]

Applied Scholastics is based entirely on the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard [note that this link goes to their site.] and is almost identical to Scientology "Study Tech". It is an unproven system and critics contend that it is useless or even counterproductive.

Scientology is attempting to have their methods used in public schools under a different name in order to improve their public image and possibly to make students more amenable to their teachings.

[TruthUnderFire]

Incidently my MOS was 16S / 91C, if you are ex military. The 16S is a classified MOS. I can tell you that it's LRS, if you know what that means.

[TruthUnderFire]

OK. I had a friend who worked for Haliburton for 3 years. He did well for himself, but it seems like he never got any sleep.

Smart move on the speeding ticket, however, I handle tickets and police encounters a little differently. My cousin told me: "Don't volunteer infomation that is unecessary...and don't answer any questions you feel may unecessarily incriminate you". Example: Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?" Speeder: "How fast was I going...?"

[bynddrvn5]

No doubt, they popped me for 5mph over the limit by pacing?!

[Tactikalguy1]

it is spelled license genius. By your logic we should have the glendale police department going door to door checking to see who has guns legally and who does not so that we can catch criminals. Other people get their rights violated in the process. I will not give up my rights in order for safety. I am against drunk driving but would take anyone to court if they cant find drunk drivers without stopping the city. Sloppy investigating technique I think.

[luder5555]

so you don't want to give up any rights for safety, so i guess if there is a report of a black hispanic white or whatever guy, in jeans and a tee-shirt, it would be wrong and profiling to stop every person in the area that fits the description, cause that would be profiling...

as for the spelling, are you kidding, go through your posts and clean up your grammar, its the web, so who cares

[jpc4256]

@Tactikalguy1

Actually, "licence" is correct in Canada and the UK, as well as a number of other countries that use the English language (possibly all of them except for the USA).

Given that the poster could live in one of those countries, and more importantly that the English, well, kind of invented the English language, "licence" is correct.

[luder5555]

ya this is terrible, you don't want them to catch people driving drunk, or driving without a licence.

call up the president and let him know of this tragic crime in progress, catching drunk drivers before they kill someone...

[usergently]

Good subject, but for the love of God, learn how to use the fucking camera dude!

[Tactikalguy1]

What ever happened to tactikalguy2? Did he get burned?

[Tactikalguy1]

Good for you. Most stupid sheeple like to just act like it is not a violations of our rights because most people do not know their rights and or they are the ones doing the violating acts. When more people wake up and realize that SOME officer violate rights everyday, departments will decide to retrain them or get rid of them. The reason being is that the dept. will not be able to afford the lawsuits. This is what we need to do in order to make a change.

[TruthUnderFire]

As long as people DON'T know the law, these scumbags will continue to take advantage of them. It's about the same in Burbank.

Tactik....you should head over there for a while, give some of those officers shit.

[jingling30]

I was at this very stop. Glendale between glenoaks & the 2. I told the office what he is doing is against the law to stop traffic at a check point without probable cause. He said a judge passed it. i said slavery was legal a few hundred years ago and just because its illegal doesn't make it moral. I said he was violating his color of authority. he said I must like drunk driving. I said that is a falacy and that I don't like illegal search and siezer and one has nothing to do w/ the other.

[GnosticDjinn]

Something, something, the security of a Free State, The People... Where did I hear that again?

Police don't have the right to detain you or to search your property without your permission, or probable cause that a crime is being committed. That's important, remember it.

[Tactikalguy1]

Damn you! You seem to be following my every move. LMAO!

[tactikalguy2]

Hey KLOWN, why dont you go to mexico where the police torture people.........Take your freakin camera down to TJ and try this shit out......tj you know where you escaped from

[jingling30]

We are going that way because the average citizen has your attidude of "I don't care." That's why you come from a third world country to our country cause WE fought for our rights 300 years ago. You just enjoy what our forefathers suffered for.

[Tactikalguy1]

whatever you say officer jackass! I will not give up my rights for security. This is why we are in the shithole that we are currently in. There are too many people that are happy with a police state. I respect that but do not impose it on me! Good Luck.

[raw420x]

Spoken just like a true Nazi....

It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect

his country from its government."

- Thomas Paine

[Tactikalguy1]

The more educated we get, the powerful we become. I have explained to people about not needing a drivers license to drive. They look at me like I'm crazy and others look at me like I'm god. I then show them court cases and decisions on how a state cannot turn a right (1st amendment right to travel) into a privile. Shapiro v. Thompson. If more people knew what to do more people would know that they would be able to sue for hundereds of thousands of dollars. Then public officials would think twice

[TheRaw420]

this is a start, many more lawsuits will follow....

Group files lawsuit against DC vehicle checkpoints

By BRIAN WESTLEY (Associated Press Writer)

From Associated Press

June 20, 2008 5:30 PM EDT

WASHINGTON - A civil liberties group filed a lawsuit Friday seeking an injunction against the District of Columbia police department's vehicle checkpoint program, calling the "military-style" initiative unconstitutional and ineffective.

[Tactikalguy1]

I am actually working on a packet that if the officers ever stop me at a checkpoint of any kind,I will be filing criminal charges and going after their house and boat.If they have one.Cops follow policy and get away because people do not know the law. However, all it takes is one cop or a couple to get not only the department in hot water but the city as well.How is it that you have to test negative for alchohol or any drug? You dont. They have to get a positive. The only way is if you consent.

[TheRaw420]

Excellent,

I was stopped and refused to test, based on our 4th and 5th Amendment rights, it always amazes me the reactions people have it's always the same reaction, i.e.; "refusing is admitting your guilty" no actually refusing is invoking your 4th and 5th Amendment rights and pronouncing your innocence... we do not have to go around proving our innocence .

The reason we have a Constitution is because the Government regards everyone as criminals, our founding fathers knew this.

[raw420x]

All in the name of safety??, my ass. Anti American, stand up for your rights, the 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments are there for a reason.... and now we the people are allowing the Government to take them rights and privileges away , 30 seconds of your time? my ass, how about giving up over 200 years of our Constitutional rights ...

[whocaresaboutthis1]

again... is it such an issue for police to pull drunks off the road that can kill people? whats 30 seconds out of your drive home to stop and show that your not drunk. it saves lives genious. big deal about the 30 seconds...don't drink and drive, and you won't have to worry about it.

[Tactikalguy1]

The Constitution of the United States pretty clearly says that police can't just stop someone and conduct an investigation unless there are "articulable facts" indicating possible criminal activity. So how can they do exactly that with DUI roadblocks?Good question. And it was raised in the case of Michigan v. Sitz (496 U.S. 444), in which the U.S. Supreme Court reviewed a decision of the Michigan Supreme Court striking down drunk driving roadblocks as unconstitutional.

[Tactikalguy1]

In a 6-3 decision, the Court reversed the Michigan court, holding that roadblocks were consitutionally permissible. Chief Justice Rehnquist began his majority opinion by admitting that DUI roadblocks (aka "sobriety checkpoints") do, in fact, constitute a "seizure" within the language of the 4th Amendment. In other words, yes, it's a blatant violation of the Constitution.

[Tactikalguy1]

I respect your opinion. Good luck.

[zypyxx]

This is legal or they wouldn't do it. I for one fully support any police department doing DUI checkpoints. If it means one less idiot off the road because they are intoxicated, then that's a good thing. I don't drink and drive at all, so I don't have to worry about rolling through one of these checkpoints. Good for the cops!!!!!!

[raw420x]

And I bet you are 100 percent for the Constitution of the United States of America , right?. It's anti American to disregard the Constitution, so why would admit this kind of thinking in a public forum. I bet you feel you are a great American? if you feel you are how could you give up your rights? 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendment rights, read them.

[zypyxx]

I'm sure the police have already checked all that stuff with the lawyers and the various D.A.'s across the country, so I don't have to worry about that. I fully support the police in doing these various DUI checkpoints. I wish they would do more of them!!! I like seeing morons and idiots go to jail because they are driving intoxicated. If you are stupid enough to drink and drive, then you are stupid enough to go to jail. Follow the laws and you will have no problems.........simple.

[raw420x]

These road blocks are illegal and currently being challenged in the US Supreme court.

Your 4th Amendments rights too; Do you stand for them?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[raw420x]

You don't need to be stupid and drink and drive, all you need is red bloodshot eyes, slurred speech and terrible balance, you will be charged with a dui... this happens to honest law abiding citizens everyday. In my case I performed in a skateboard demo, then went swimming in a chlorinated pool.

I was exhausted. I went home got stopped, and accused of a dui. Police don't need to smell anything either. I had to spend over $10,000 to clear my name... this could happen to you, Know your rights

[zypyxx]

You are as stupid as you sound. Pee in a cup, breath into a machine, or give as much blood as they want to determine you Blood Alcohol Level. The cops can't just arrest you for DUI without at least those procedures to back them up. If you blow below a .08 level, then they have to let you go without charging you. I've been through it before myself, I blew a .00 and the cop told me to get lost. $10,000 to "clear" your name is ridiculous, get out of here joker.

[raw420x]

it's safe to assume you're an anti American willing to give up all your rights to be nice to the police give blood, pee, hair test at every request they make... it shows your character, it's people just like you that erode our freedoms and our rights.

Keep up the shitty work, and good luck to you.

[zypyxx]

You've got me wrong there buddy, I'm All-American to the core!! It's just the fact that I follow the laws of this country, state, and county. Therefore I have nothing to hide or worry about when the police wishes to stop me. So if they want to stop me because they think I'm driving drunk, then fine. I'm more than willing to show them in every way that I'm not, and I have nothing to hide. How about this concept?? Don't break the law, and you'll have nothing to worry about either..get lost!

[raw420x]

So you'll spend your time roaming this country constantly proving your innocence to law enforcement because you have nothing to hide? sounds like the citizens of the former Nazi Germany. The whole point behind our Constitution is to have the right to hide.

How about this concept:

"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect

his country from its government."

- Thomas Paine

Sounds like you'll pee, give blood,  just to prove you have nothing to hide. Thats exactly what Government wants

[Tactikalguy1]

Troops are fighting for our freedom so that policeofficers can takethem away.I guess that makes sense.You are actually saying that we shouldnt support our troops because they are fightingfor our freedom and by letting cops turn this state into a police state then they are out there dying in vain.They fight for us so that we can have our FREEDOM called RIGHTS.We need to ensure that we have them or all the fighting over in some other country wont save them if we dont even try to protect them here.

[speedyabe18]

if our boys in the military can handle this on a daily basis, then why dont we show our support to the troops. we shouldn't complain about a police state when they are dying for our freedom

[whocaresaboutthis1]

tactikal dumbf*ck...

do yuo honestly care if someone has to take 2 minutes out of their day to stop at a checkpoint. is there a problem with trying to pull drunks off the road on nights known for high volumes of drunk drivers? did a cop touch your penis when you were a little boy? do the world a favor and don't go into law school... your just gonna be one of those ambulance chaser attorneys that give the rest of us a bad name. go back to work at the local pizza shop.

[Tactikalguy1]

I just found out that if there is a checkpoint, it is because the state gave that department the AUTHORITY to do so but with strict guidelines. I would check those guidelines to see if they were followed. I guess I would do it by finding out where to get those guidelines under the open records request which mean that if I ask for it I get it.

[Tactikalguy1]

You are right!They have no probable cause and therefore are harrassing the people they pull over.They can say that every 2nd or 3rd person gets pulled over but who is really counting it to verify?This is where who ever is in charge has the DISCRETION to do whatever she or he wants to do.Not every officer is evil but not every person is evil either.Yet as you see,the Glendale Police is still stopping everyone and detaining some.This is called a POLICE STATE.You are guilty until proven innocent.

[Voidka]

Its unconstitutional, so yes it is illegal. They are stopping you with no just cause which is illegal. Also, its illegal detainment if they don't let you move on.

Look up the DHS checkpoints that are inside the U.S. past the border on youtube.

[Tactikalguy1]

Thanks for your support and do the same because we are human beings and they are PUBLIC SERVANTS!

[txz045]

indeed.... welcome to police state, its only bound to keep increasing. Heard you on WTPRN dude....

[Tactikalguy1]

Thanks for the comment and this is why I record the activities in my community so that everyone can see for themselves. If you can start recording the activities in yours.

[eddiepeay]

Welcome to the police state. They are swabbing your cheek in Memphis TN and taking dna samples as of last week under "operation Sudden Impact" looking for terrorists by pulling over random people for tail lights and speeding tickets. We are being told to give up our freedom for security. Wake up people. Look it up before you laugh it off.