Pt 3 Walid Shoebat Exclusive PZ-TWIBP Interview 08-03-08

[SPIKEL31A]

It's no accident that's it's the Celtic people and the Jews that are standing together nowadays against everyone else.

Ezk 37 remember the 2 sticks..one is JUDAH and the other is ISRAEL..!

[littleredbirdy]

The world does revolve around America, at the moment.

Who is the American president? I bet you know!

Who is the president of Vietnam? Bhutan? South Korea?

See?

America outlasted both Germany and The USSR.

Until America dies it can quite possibly be Babylon. And if it falls in an instant odds are it was Babylon.

Who cares? Time will vindicate my belief, not yours.

[chriss179]

America outlasted???? Is germany no more???? I think we in europe have a quite stable euro. It goes as far as venezuela wants to change payment of it's oil from dollars to euro's. But again.. Money is your god. And to me america is a rightious nation. "rightious" in the sense that there is law and order and liberty to say and believe the things you want to believe. Maybe you hate that kind of liberty. But that liberty is godly. That liberty is exactly the thing god gave adam and eve! To choose!

[littleredbirdy]

Money is my God?

Amazing how you know so much about me and my lifestyle!

God has let America chose, but not for very much longer.

*sigh*

Can you make a coherent argument or point without insulting, assuming and throwing out assertions?

[chriss179]

Can you make a coherent argument or point without insulting, assuming and throwing out assertions?

You inveterable snake! Yes, your entire charge against america was wealth. You don't give a good damn that the world is full of merchants and merchandise. You don't give a damn that there are good artists around the world. You don't care about anything but your ego and call me a crack smoker. And even then i try not to humiliate you. But it's you who feels secure in the victim role!

[littleredbirdy]

The fact you think you can have a serious debate when there is a 500 character limit shows you ignorant you are.

Unblock me, or are you still holding on to your faulty interpretations? 

You are just a rehash of that liar Shoebat.

[chriss179]

I'm a brother of that liar shoebat. And i'm proud to be so. And i can tell you that jesus is proud of being a brother of shoebat and me. But i'm very unsure about you.

You say god is his own enemy... Well..... God hates christians or some shit, because babylon is where the blood of christians runs thru the veins... Man, i gladly block you. I'm fed up with you. It's a one way street and i was hoping to find a "i respect your view nontheless". But you respect noone!

[chriss179]

You say you have the Ruah Haqudash. But you show not the fruits of the Ruah HaQudash. We could argue i don't show these fruits either. Which are written in gal 5. Sorry for that.. Wish i didn't have that temper. But come on.. You can't debate me without calling me a crack head and take on the victim role where i was lowering myself to your level by losing my temper.

Whatever.... I'm fed up. And i respect your view.. Respect mine. I don't need your indoctrination, just respect me.

[chriss179]

Lets just say: I don't have a problem with satire and sarcasm. But i don't like humiliating people. And you my friend succeeded to humiliate me and then play the honourable victim of a perverted debate.... May you find better conversations. But not with me... That block is permanent.

[littleredbirdy]

America just conquered Iraq/Babylon....

Your arguments smell like Shoebat nonsense.

[chriss179]

America conquered iraq. But the middle east could easily produce a 250 MILLION men army! It's just those people need a leader who combines all islamic countries. That leader is gonna come. Antichrist. You might cut off sadam but you'll never bring peace in the muslim mind and you'll never bring democracy to that country because they are muslim and want sharia allah!

[chriss179]

Btw, i'm not gonna wake up any hard way. I'm not american like you. Insisting america is what the world revolves around. You are. And you will see the hard way that god loves that little remnant of christians in america enough that he'll spare the entire nation untill his return when the evil will be taken away and the rightious will linger on in his millennial kingdom.

[chriss179]

You say many waters is the reference to the global authority. And thus america is babylon. Well 20 years ago you had to decide wether babylon was russia or america. 60 years ago it had to be germany. You guys think the earth revolves around you. It has nothing to do with america having had a little prosperity. It's about your insane nationalism. You think the world revolves around usa while it revolves around israel. Yes, the bible is all about israel. I don't need to spell it out any further.

[littleredbirdy]

One more time for you.

I cannot stand America.

I am already a year away from moving away from this Hell hole.

Please, pretend as if you know some more about me!

[draconusrex33]

sorry to here that..so where ya goin, if I may ask..pm me.

[aesthetictripp]

Just one little big thing.........Islam and the Catholic faith are connected,look up Walter Veith's video about it,i disagree with Walters doctrine but his connection is astounding!!!

[chriss179]

interesting. Indeed walid has a point. If the antichrist is bringing a god and the antichrist gives breath to the image of the beast which was mortally wounded. Well that imposes 2 things. 1. there has to be a god who has so many followers to take over the world. 2. this god had to be around for some time. Well yeah.... Islam would classify as such a religion. I don't think hinduism has any threat to it. But muhammad was really a monster!!

[littleredbirdy]

One of the seven heads was healed, which refers to the Islamic Empire.

[chriss179]

Thats what i said. But i've also heard people say: Well the whore of babylon is the roman daughter, the catholic church. Especially those who believe in "the rapture". Because the woman says to herself: I shall see no sorrow, i am a queen. Not a widow! Yes yes, it is a city in the desert... Mekkah? Ofcourse everbody thinks they know what the prophets meant.

[littleredbirdy]

There is a difference between the Whore of Babylon and The Beast.

The Beast will hate The Whore because she oppresses it (sits on it)

The Whore of Babylon is not the Catholic Church because it has virtually zero power.

"Mystery Babylon" is not the same as normal "Babylon".

[chriss179]

I don't believe in the catholic church theory. but your not making any sense to me with your mystery babylon. I can see muslims destroying their own mekkah for the antichrist has caused damascus to be nuked. Yes, damascus will be destroyed read that bible of yours. Syria will fall and they will see their children burning. Their flesh rot from their bones and their tongues set ablaze in their mouths. I could imagine a nuke striking NY, LA, DC and then syria and some other countries.

[littleredbirdy]

The Devil does not stand against itself.

[chriss179]

Did you know heaven has 12 gates??? Each of them named after a child of israel. So if you want to get in heaven please admit you have been grafted into israel, which is gods bride. rom 11 is very clear about this. That means america is not babylon that destroys you over your wickedness. Antichrist is gods wrath over his people, those who are to be purified by suffering. Like babylon purified israel by the sword.

[chriss179]

Did you know the hutu's and the tutsi's killed over a million people in one weekend? Those are african tribes who were at war with eachother. They cut eachother to pieces. Why is that not the horrible babylon? Because they are poor? Well your looking at the wealth which is mentioned. Did you know that Saudi arabia has no financial disaster? Yes, the "poor" chinese people are lending the united states all that money. Why aren't they babylon? Because its all about israel. Not about the usa!!

[littleredbirdy]

Babylon is the richest Christian nation of the End Times.

Maybe you should read more closely?

[chriss179]

Where does it say babylon is christian? The word christian didn't even exist in the times of the scripture.

[littleredbirdy]

The fact that the blood of the saints run "through" her.

[chriss179]

Yes, and exactly that fact makes s-korea a bigger kandidate for being the babylon than usa. Because s-korea houses the biggest christian prosecution. But this is not like the 400 years god gave kanaan. This is like the last 40 years. We're talking babylon was a world empire stretching the largest world mass. We're talking 100's of years empire where the saints have been enslaved, prosecuted and killed. We're talking about the muslim empire here. Not about your neighbours who hate christians.

[chriss179]

You are using wealth as a variable in the metaphore. Usa is and has allways been a christian nation. That in itself means nothing. But at least it excludes usa as a nation where the blood of the saints has been flowing for ages. Also... 50% of america would have to come out of her my people. Where would you have to go??? Thats a bigger problem than israel!!!! No, we're talking about mekkah here. About arabia here. Where few christians live amongst muslims who'd love to kill those few christians.

[chriss179]

What i'm saying is: The antichrist will let a head grow back on. And that head will be destroyed. And then internal conflict will cause them to eat eachothers flesh! So in fact they are a lot of factions gathered in the beast but when their peace ends they will end in the untergang! The downfall. Have you seen the movie of adolfs last days??? Where he told his generals that germany had failed him??? That he should have chosen another nation to lead them to world dominance!

[littleredbirdy]

I do know what the prophets mean because I have something called the Ruach HaKodesh on my side.

I did not even need to research Islam to know that the Mahdi was to be the son of perdition.

The spirit itself told me.

Disbelieve all you want, it changes nothing.

[chriss179]

Are you the only one that has the Ruah HaQodesh? Or are you even sure you have the it?? I believe i have it too. So by terms of having the spirit to understand all things because it teaches you, that same spirit tells us in daniel that in the ends of time knowledge will increase. It never said knowledge will be permanent. Because the holy spirit knows some thing, does not mean you do. It can teach you about everything. So it can take from the prophets and teach you.

[chriss179]

You should know that you have to test the spirits. Because not all the voices inside you are of god. Why is that voice distinct? How can you know it is gods spirit?? Only by faith! So saying the spirit told you actually means: I believe the spirit taught me.

[littleredbirdy]

It was not a voice, but an insight and it also caused me to start reading The Bible itself.

It was a spirit of God because I did not need to hear Shoebat ramble to know all that he knows.

[chriss179]

Then if it is an insight, it is open for discussion. It is not divine. Because god is allways right.

[chriss179]

the beast will hate mekkah because the mahdi is an imposter and he has caused the land to be destroyed. Did you know that il Duce was given a nice bridge after his career?? Il Duce was the name italians gave musoline for being the lapdog of hitler. What name does the lapdog of satan get? Mahdi?

The beast out of the sea is an empire, not it's leader. The sea are all the souls that live. So the beast is a multitude of souls forming a beast.

[chriss179]

You say the satan is not divided against himself. No he sure isn't. But god also promised he would let them eat their own flesh! They would be tearing eachother appart. They would be fighting eachother! Eating their own flesh!

[littleredbirdy]

The blood of the saints is not found within Saudi Arabia.

When The Bible says this it means that the message of the saints are found WITHIN the Woman.  Which means it is a Christian nation.

You are just repeating exactly what Shoebat says.

[chriss179]

I'll give you another one to think about and don't give me the satan is not divided against himself. Babylon was destroyed too. by all the surrounding nations. Don't act as if that weren't nations in the dragons heads as it were exactly those nations. Yes, that was the beast too.....

But the thing to consider. How many times can you find god warning people to get out of there???? And how many people survive that judgment of god??? I can only find 2 times where god saves a man from his wrath.

[chriss179]

The blood of the saints is found richly in saudi. Christians there are killed. You cannot leave islam! You will be murdered in chop chop square and all the muslims will come and cheer and eat popcorn and it will be on television, and everybody screaming allahu akhbar.

Chop chop square.

Lot left sodom and noah left his generation. That was because all the people were wicked. God doesn't destroy a nation over 2 wicked people. But does when only 2 rightious are left. That is not USA.

[chriss179]

Get out of her is directed to a couple of people. Not millions..... Get over it. The bible is about the middle east not about america. Babylon is babylon. He doesn't call the prince of tyre the prince of tyre because he is roman. but because he is the prince of tyre. He doesn't call the antichrist king of babylon because he smells like nebukadnassar but because babylon is his kingdom.

[littleredbirdy]

A couple?

Prove it.

[chriss179]

I don't need prove it, i have biblical reference that god does not destroy a city when 10 rightious people are found within her. Search where god showed abraham what he was about to do to sodom. There god promised to spare a city where 10 people where rightious. He then destroyed the city and warned Lot - GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE! NOW! DON'T LOOK BACK THAT YOU DON'T SHARE HER DESTRUCTION! And lots wife died over this.

[chriss179]

You say the linnen and artistry is not arabian... You have never ever ever ever ever seen a saudi prince or his palace. You say there is no merchant who holds deer the riches of saudi. Well the oil is the fat and light of this earth dude. Everything is about the oil. And riches are theirs like the oil flows in abundance. Do you really think the dollars stop when the oil is sold?? Those dollars go into everything the book of revelation mentions.

[littleredbirdy]

Abdullah?

How can you say what I have or have not seen?

I would love to see you respond to my PM I sent you.

There is not enough room here to clarify anything.

You are just the creator of assumptions.

You act as if Saudi Arabia is the only source of oil! Wake up!

America created Industrialization and Post-Industrialization technologies.

[chriss179]

You keep referring to wealth as the reason for america being mystery babylon. You have never been to saudi arabia then. Or monaco. Well in saudi arabia they have chop chop square where christians get beheaded. In monaco or usa they don't kill christians.... In saudi arabia you have sharia allah which means if you become christian we kill you.

[littleredbirdy]

Satan does not stand against himself. If both Babylon and The Beast are Satanic why would he strike himself down?

Are you saying Saudi Arabia is wealthier than America has been for the last 200 years?!

Stop smoking crack.

Saudi Arabia has only just recently become relatively wealthy.

Look at GDP figures, pal.

[chriss179]

I'm not talking with someone who thinks wealth is a sin. You should not enter heaven because you will run away screaming dude.. Wealth is not babylon..... Wealth is the thing that comes from god and god takes it away from babylon forever. It's indeed an indication of who babylon is. But no, not america..... But wealth is your primary argument.. So i'm stopping this useless debate.

[chriss179]

But the judgement of the lord in the antichrist (he is in charge of the entire thing) is over his own kingdom! Then comes babylon. then babylon is metaphorically correct AND historically correct.

[chriss179]

It is like written in thessalonians. And i believe not that christians saw no sorrow in this life... They had the cross...... They had opression. But the antichrist will deceive many, he will give them false peace. Peace in submission to his reign. prosecution if your christian. So this prostitute says: I am a queen and will not see sorrow. Then jesus will make an end to that peace...

[littleredbirdy]

You are not telling me anything I do not already know.

[chriss179]

If america is the mystery babylon, btw it only speaks this nonsense in english bibles. In other languages its plainly the great babylon. You are simply american and think your country deserves to be mentioned in the bible. Well sorry for you, but you didn't win the second world war and you ain't the babylon the rod of gods indignation over israel. That is islam! America is not gods wrath on his people.

[chriss179]

Is Al Assad antichrist???? Says somewhere in daniel 9??? that he will have teeth like a lion. and he will be like a lion??? Speak like a lion.. Al Assad means the lion of allah!

[littleredbirdy]

Al Assad is a nobody.

[chriss179]

2 thessalonians i think. When they live in peace terror will overtake them like a woman in birth pains or something. But that day should not visit us like a thief in the night. We should all know jesus will come 42 months after antichrist stops the daily sacrifice.

[littleredbirdy]

Mystery Babylon can only mean America.

America has made the rest of the world alter their cultures to become more materialistic and heathenish.

America is the nation which oppresses and abuses other nations for gain.

America is the center of economic trade.

America is the wealthiest nation on the planet.

America is an extremely large Christian nation.

You are not telling me anything I do not already know. Islam is not the whore, because the blood of the saints does not run through it.

[chriss179]

There you go with wealth and economy. Why would god have to punish america? Where has the blood of the saints been flowing in her??? Babylon is a metaphor to the biblical babylon meaning it has some resemblances. Don't give me las vegas has parts of sodom. We're talking babylon, not sodom! Babylon is the country that wiped israel off the map and was set against israel by god to punish israel for its sins. The blood of the saints was spilled in her. And it was the rod of gods indignation. America

[tedman4yt]

Excellent points, I totally overlook Galations 4 in the past. Good stuff Walid and Ray

[Linkekeke]

Hey prophezine, you guys should check out the book The antichrist and a cup of tea. Also a lot of your references are wolves in sheeps clothing, such as Tim La Haye who is a Freemasons.