Elizabeth plots against Mary Queen of Scots

[SapphireCrusader1988]

"Win or lose the wager, I cannot lose the game." Glenda Jackson, thank you for being Elizabeth!

[katherinesixteen]

This is by far the best Elizabeth Tudor ever. I mean, Glenda's Elizabeth is probably even a better Elizabeth than the actual Elizabeth.

[Banderson906]

She... punched him in the dick... rofl...

[9razzler9]

elizabeth tudor, born september 7:

the day of success seekers.

"novels could be written about sept 7 people and their never-ending pursuit of personal success...those born on this day have a one track mind when it comes to following their plans and if necessary battering their competitors, rivals, or detractors into submission. september 7 people do not make pleasant enemies, both because their wish to annihilate is so pronounced and their inclination to grant mercy doubtful."

[bugsbunny2022]

And the Highlanders suffered genocide as a result of this, from English, German Ulster, but especially Lowland Scots who thought of the Highlanders as the Nazi's thought of the Poles, Untermenchen, ie sub-human. May the blood of the Highlander cry out for revenge, especially from the tyranny of Lowlanders of all Politics and Religions. R.I.P. brave and loyal troops. Your way of life was exterminated for the sake of which of Mary, Queen of Scot's ancestor sat on the British Throne. Very sad.

[bugsbunny2022]

At Culloden it was the descendents of James VI/I that faced each other at Culloden Moor, namely Bonnie Prince Charlie, Jacobite, acting on behalf of his Father, James VII/II, who himself was the Great Great Grandson of Mary Queen of Scots verses the Prince William, Hanoverian, acting on behalf of his Father George II, who himself was the Great Great Great Grandson of Mary Queen of Scots. So two descendents of Stuarts fighting over the Scottish and English Crown. And the Highlanders suffered

[sabine1470]

@jlya2012 There was a rumour that when her Edward IV married Elizabeth Wydville she declared him a bastard , though this was never confirmed. Its more noteworthy that she did not attend Richard III 's coronation after he usurped the throne .Spreading rumours that older brothers were bastards were common ways for greedy little brothers to try to claim what the older brother had inherited.

[sabine1470]

@jlya2012 Britains Real Monarch was a theory not a fact.

[mackbolan8]

@jlya2012 it was part of it he still had a claim but it was weaker on its own

[Abbeysums]

Mary could have been a politician today....very calculating and intelligent.

[bugsbunny2022]

@Abbeysums As a patriotic Scot, it pains me to say this. Mary Stewart was a fool. The real genius was Elizabeth Tudor. I think England and Scotland would have been better off today if Elizabeth Tudor had legitimate heirs to rule/reign over England Wales and Ireland, whilst Mary Stewart would die barren with no heir. After Mary Queen of Scots, the Stewarts/Stuarts were a disaster for Scotland, and for that matter, England and Ireland too. At Culloden it was the descendents of James VI/I that...

[mackbolan8]

@jlya2012 that was york not tudor

[mackbolan8]

don't play poltics with elizabeth tudor

[mackbolan8]

she groin punches then acts lovey dovey then punches him again.ouch

[Iluthra]

Elizabeth did not let religion get in the way of her ambitions. She kept her sister's best councilors, regardless, as long as they swore loyalty to the Crown and England.

[happybkwrm]

"This woman is first a monarch". So true. Elizabeth was a brilliant politician.

Mary was a spoiled woman who thought she could do what she wanted withouth consequences.

[gapeachjessica]

I love this movie, but this part in particular is very inaccurate. Elizabeth most certainly did NOT want Mary to marry Darnley. He was a Catholic.

[KingAndrewI]

@gapeachjessica True. She wanted her to marry Leicester.

[Jamestopboy]

@gapeachjessica He was, but, Elizabeth knew that if she married him, then Mary would spiral down and fall from power.

[SapphireCrusader1988]

@gapeachjessica I think she wanted her fears allayed; that Mary was a capable and competant ruler who ruled with intelligence, not with passion. If Mary married Dudley, there would be peace between the two realms and the two religions. But Mary proved Elizabeth right in every way.

[Jamestopboy]

Never trust Darnley, Lizzie, you will regret it!

[happybkwrm]

LOL! She "trusted" him to be the "weak degenerate fool of a consort" he turned out to be. Marrying Darnley contributed to Mary Stuart's ruin. Jane Dunn's book about Mary and Elizabeth states that some people accused Elizabeth (after the fact) of sending Darnley to Scotland for just that purpose.

[Jamestopboy]

@happybkwrm I think that it probably true... but when your sister and brother had short reigns and she has no child, she would do anything to keep her throne... wouldn't she?

[Jamestopboy]

@happybkwrm and, 7:51... GOOD SHOT LIZZIE!