I just bought one recently....mine is a 1907/15. One of the interesting things about the Berthiers that are in circulation is that many are mis-match rifles that were rebuilt using rifles picked up off of battlefields. I am wondering if the serial numbers on your lovely rifle are matching....??
I am going to order some 8x50mm Prvi Partizan ammo to use to test my Berthier.
its not an M1916 if its three rounds, the M1916 was 5 rounds after Most berthiers were improved to take 5 rounds. i own an M1892 mannlicher berthier, 3 shot
@Gungeek what do you mean with changed the mag? it originaly was 3 shot before they realised it was not enough and modified M1892's to 5 rounds as the M1916 :)
@Gungeek its a great carbine anyway :) where did you get yours? i found mine in France in an ex-powerstations attic insulation (built in 1918) which we were renevating into our holiday home in eastern France :) it looks internaly like brand new, the outside has very little rust or corrosion
i just bought one at melbourne,fla.gunshow for $75 it shoots great at 100 yrds the amno from prima privasta for about $25 a box of 20 rds i love the wood body of the rifle and the writting on the barrel. hey if we don't buy them now they will be lost in time to the liberal gun destroyers. its living history that you can shoot..ben ps thanks again for the great vids and history lessons.
@lassoe hej hvis du har fået skud til den kan du så ikke lave en video med den så jeg kan se den skyde.
jeg har nemmelig avet en magen til. men den er sku plomberet (gammeldags plombering hvor det bare er en metalpind der sidder på tværs i løbet der let kan fjærnes:)
My grandpa had one made by Remington. the trigger pull was very, very heavy. Grandpa said he shot about 40 deer over the years with it. The barrel was shortened.
Many Berthiers were used also in Spain, during our terrible Civil War 1936-1939, but Mausers were more widely used because these last were the service riflñe in the army
I'd be scared as hell to use a Lebel. Using spitzer rounds in a tubular mag? Asking for trouble... That's why only shotguns and rimfire .22s use tubular mags as far as I know.
@Gungeek Oh I know, man. You just mentioned the lebel in ur video and I felt like commenting on it :P Those big ol' lebel rounds are thick as hell. I think it'd be a real pain to shoot. That's what this rifle uses, right? Since it's only 3 rounds in that mag... or is it 5? You mentioned both a few times.
@NormanMatchem True, but I was addressing your statement about only shotguns and 22's using tubular rounds. They are perfectly safe if used with a RN design.
The right title should be'' Berthier Rifle model 1907/15'', in french'' Fusil Berthier modèle 1907/15''. The real denomination for a5 shots exemplar is: '' Berthier rifle model 1907/15 M16'', M 16 for ''1916 modified'' the year of the modification from 3 to 5 shots.
It seems the 8x50R round was obsolete by the time it was introduced based on the concept of that rifle. Not to mention the Chauchat machine gun chambered in that round was the pronounced the worst firearm in history.
The "safety" is the cocking knob on the rear of the bolt. You can put a round in the chamber and LIGHTLY let the knob forward while holding the trigger.
It was common practice by Frenchmen. I believe the primers were harder back then as well. I have rounds stamped 49 and the primers are harder than new production from Norma. I have 20 left in 5rd en bloc clips if you're interested.
I've never fired anything except the .303 Lee Enfield. Have you also done such a review also? I've always enjoyed your videos, thanks for sharing. I'll also subscribe.
Technically its a lebel with a mannlicher magazine. The lebel wasn't bad, but it suffered from the tubular magazine, so the M-B rifle was a big improvement in terms of loading.
The French were in the middle of updating their arsenals.
250,000 MAS 36 rifles were given to the best units. Used in large number only in Norway and May 1940, as well as by the 1er Regiment de France in 1944-45.
40,000 7.5 mm Berthier M1934 rifles, given mainly to fortress infantry (Maginot Line).
Vast majority of troops throughout the empire were using the Berthier M1916 rifle. This is true in France May-June 1940, and the other campaigns where French troops used French weapons.
Berthier M1916 - Most common weapon in May/June 1940 campaign, primary French rifle in battle (used alongside M1916 Mousqueton carbines in the hands of support, engineering, artillery troops, etc.) as well at Gabon (1940), Indochina (1940-41 and 1945), Syria-Lebanon (1941), Madagascar (1942), Operation Torch (1942), Tunisian Campaign (1942-43). Thereafter French troops were resupplied with American M1917 Enfield and M1903 Springfield rifles (and 740 M1 Garands to First Parachute Regiment).
Lebel 1886/M93 - was still used by French troops throughout this time (until 1943, except in Indochina which continued to use French equipment) as the primary grenadier rifle (VB rifle grenade) and sniper rifle (using APX M1921 scope), as well as in the hands of reservists and other non-frontline troops.
Also added to this number are other non-standard issue rifles used by the French in much smaller numbers: Lebel 1886/M93 R35, MAS 36 CR39, RSC M1917 and M1918 semi-auto rifles, etc.
Great to see a video on the Berthier rifle, but this is not technically an M1916 model, as that implies it has the extended five round magazine. This is actually an M07-15 Berthier.
Well the mas 36 production was really slow. I suppose from my data that there were much more Berthiers available, Lebels too, but of course less seen on the frontline as they were outdated.
I've read something similar, however production sped up considerable as war became more likely. The biggest problem was ditribution, and trying to make sure each regiment had ammunition that matched the rifles they carried. Such a large scale re-armament on the eve of war is always a bit tricky, and not always as smooth as one would want it to be.
As for the spitzer round, the French came up awith a solution for loading the Lebel rifle by adding a crimped O-ring at the base of the cartridge, so the nose of the spitzer would set in it, and not on the primer. Even if the nose of a bullet rested on the primer of the other one in a Lebel rifle, it took a strong jolt to start an explosive chain reaction. It did happen, but not very often.
As someone who collects French longarms of WW 1 and WW 2, of the French army of 1939-40, mostly Class A troops had MAS 36 rifles, and a few regiments had the older berthiers and Lebels. Most of the reserve and Class B trrops had only Berthiers and Lebels. However, it was common to see all 3 rifles withing one regiment, or 3 versions of the Berthier/Lebels within the same regiment.
I wrote I'm from Bangladesh to see how people behaves!
It's definitely a proof that you put nationality over technical aspects. I won't even tell you where I'm really from!
I'll tell you, I shot all of them: the berthier is the worst ww1 rifle in my book. French rifles returned to something good with the MAS and the current famas. The RSC wasn't adopted in a large scale, it's like the Federov or Mondragon... shall we talk about the Chauchat :) ?
So what ??? Bangladesh is the perfect state for you ? I don't care where you are from, anyway, it's not difficult to know with your perfect english - mister no error -.
I was telling you : make real comparison for god sake.
Emd, you're biased causee you're french. As soon as the spitzer bullet was adopted, tubolar magazine was an idiotic mean of holding ammo. Jacketed point against the primer, you know what happens if you put recoil in... I hope.
Plus you even had to have TOOLS to disassemble the bolt. Machinery was extra poor. Take a look to a m1903 or a Mauser, of course they come from more powerful countries... but heck!
The lebel 1886 is a model adopted in 1886.... you make a comparison with 20 years of conception of difference !! Yes Mauser M98 and springfield 1903 are some good rifles, but they were made at least 15 years later...
What about the RSC = > semi automatic 10 shots french rifle adopted in 1918 ???
You always see what it is the worst with French stuff !! doing stupid comparison and so on ...
So what about bangladesh military stuff ??? what stuff ? knive ? bow ? stone ?
Poor Frenchies in those trenches of ww1, their rifles just never seemed to hold up as well as the Germans. Although they seemed to work well enough to hold the line for all those years on the western front. If I had to choose a battle rifle of that era I would go with the SMLE Enfeild 10 shots better than 3
the lebel was still use as the standard weapon in the 'battle of France in 1940' by infantry, the Berthier was only adopted by tank crew, artillery etc.
Good vid! I have both the 3 shot and 5 shot. I've shot ball three my 5 shot rifle, and surprisingly it's not that bad at all, kind of accurate at 250 yards or under. Too bad 8mm lebel ammo is so hard to find.
I think i got this one for less then $100,but it is well used.For ammo i don't think there is any new factory ammo for these just brass and bullets.You can get reloading Dies from LEE Precision and the bullets are .323" just like the 8x57S...so they are easy to find.I made some shells using 348Win. brass and used 170 grain .323 bullets in them and they worked very well.
it's not a pure .323" (8.22mm mauser), it's generally a bit more. In france, we consider it's about 8.30mm. The best is to measure with a round bullet of lead. For accuracy, use a homemade lead bullet.
Thanks for saving weapons that have made our history. Our stupid french laws are making very difficult for french shooter like me to collect these old rifle. In 2007, France continues to destruct these rifles because, you know, "guns are bad"...
I don't know if you are aware, but psmilitaria.ca has the 3 shot 8x50 Lebel clips availiable...
thumperpaul 1 month ago
@thumperpaul I saw that thank bro :)
Gungeek 1 month ago
That's a nice looking rifle!
I just bought one recently....mine is a 1907/15. One of the interesting things about the Berthiers that are in circulation is that many are mis-match rifles that were rebuilt using rifles picked up off of battlefields. I am wondering if the serial numbers on your lovely rifle are matching....??
I am going to order some 8x50mm Prvi Partizan ammo to use to test my Berthier.
oxbird1980 2 months ago
more talk and less firing(saving ammo)?
TheLoneangle 4 months ago
@TheLoneangle Shooting vid is over there >>
Gungeek 4 months ago
its not an M1916 if its three rounds, the M1916 was 5 rounds after Most berthiers were improved to take 5 rounds. i own an M1892 mannlicher berthier, 3 shot
nick21sammy 5 months ago
@nick21sammy Someone changed the mag on it but its still is a M16 Rifle.
Gungeek 5 months ago
@Gungeek what do you mean with changed the mag? it originaly was 3 shot before they realised it was not enough and modified M1892's to 5 rounds as the M1916 :)
nick21sammy 4 months ago
@nick21sammy The rifle would of had the 5 shot when it was made.
Gungeek 4 months ago
@Gungeek question is, why would anyone want to? does your Berthier still have its original Brass tipped cleaning rod?
nick21sammy 4 months ago
@nick21sammy You go find the person that changed the magazine around sometime after 1917 and the time I got it and ask them ok? Thanks :)
Gungeek 4 months ago
@Gungeek XD XD perhaps he wanted it the original 1892 way :)
nick21sammy 4 months ago
@nick21sammy More like a M07/15 rifle the way it is now.
Gungeek 4 months ago
@Gungeek its a great carbine anyway :) where did you get yours? i found mine in France in an ex-powerstations attic insulation (built in 1918) which we were renevating into our holiday home in eastern France :) it looks internaly like brand new, the outside has very little rust or corrosion
nick21sammy 4 months ago
@nick21sammy Its not a carbine.
Gungeek 4 months ago
I got myself a berthier yesterday. MLE 1907/15. A very nice rifle
F4Wildcat 8 months ago
@ImzDivine
As far as you know, do you know if you have some French ancestry ?
Briselance 11 months ago
i just bought one at melbourne,fla.gunshow for $75 it shoots great at 100 yrds the amno from prima privasta for about $25 a box of 20 rds i love the wood body of the rifle and the writting on the barrel. hey if we don't buy them now they will be lost in time to the liberal gun destroyers. its living history that you can shoot..ben ps thanks again for the great vids and history lessons.
benbagley 1 year ago
where do you get the rounds for it.? I have exactly the same model, but here in Denmark, they are allmost impossible to get by.... :/
lassoe 1 year ago
@lassoe You watch my 8x50 lebel vid?
Gungeek 1 year ago
@lassoe hej hvis du har fået skud til den kan du så ikke lave en video med den så jeg kan se den skyde.
jeg har nemmelig avet en magen til. men den er sku plomberet (gammeldags plombering hvor det bare er en metalpind der sidder på tværs i løbet der let kan fjærnes:)
på forhånd tak
soren517 1 year ago
@lassoe Prvi Partizan manufactures ammo for this caliber. I also know some is imported from Germany. Perhaps you can order it from there?
Broaster07 11 months ago
My grandpa had one made by Remington. the trigger pull was very, very heavy. Grandpa said he shot about 40 deer over the years with it. The barrel was shortened.
majajh 1 year ago
Many Berthiers were used also in Spain, during our terrible Civil War 1936-1939, but Mausers were more widely used because these last were the service riflñe in the army
newhuskytwenty 1 year ago
I'd be scared as hell to use a Lebel. Using spitzer rounds in a tubular mag? Asking for trouble... That's why only shotguns and rimfire .22s use tubular mags as far as I know.
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
@NormanMatchem It's not a lebel its a Mannlicher Berthier
Gungeek 1 year ago
@Gungeek Oh I know, man. You just mentioned the lebel in ur video and I felt like commenting on it :P Those big ol' lebel rounds are thick as hell. I think it'd be a real pain to shoot. That's what this rifle uses, right? Since it's only 3 rounds in that mag... or is it 5? You mentioned both a few times.
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
@NormanMatchem
If I remember well, the first version of the Berthier rifle model 1892 had only 3 rounds capacity (internal mag)
Another version was issued to the French troops in 1916, and had been modified to have a 5 rounds capacity.
Briselance 11 months ago
@Briselance
Oops. My bad.
The first Berthier shown here is model 1907 (3 rounds). Model 1907 modified 1915 has 5 rounds.
Forget my first comment.
Briselance 11 months ago
@Briselance The M07/15 is 3 shot the M16 is 5 shot. :)
Gungeek 11 months ago
@NormanMatchem
Spitzer rounds ? What are those ?
Briselance 11 months ago
@NormanMatchem Lever actions use tubular...
stockingcpl 10 months ago
@stockingcpl Yup, and most lever guns use magnum rounds that have non-spitzer bullets.
NormanMatchem 10 months ago
@NormanMatchem True, but I was addressing your statement about only shotguns and 22's using tubular rounds. They are perfectly safe if used with a RN design.
stockingcpl 10 months ago
@NormanMatchem
6 millions of Lebel were produced, and no accident with the tubular mag.
It was a good rifle; very well produced, reliable, and extremely accurate at long range.
DeCrac 9 months ago
Always enjoy your videos. Any chance of a video firing it anytime? Seems to be a lack of these rifles, or the lebel's on youtube sadly
txanarchist 1 year ago
@txanarchist Yeah soon
Gungeek 1 year ago
Not a 1916 model but a Berthier Rifle 1907/15 with only 3 shots. With 5 shots it is a model 1916.
fm192429 2 years ago
Read the title ya dumb cunt.
Gungeek 2 years ago
The right title should be'' Berthier Rifle model 1907/15'', in french'' Fusil Berthier modèle 1907/15''. The real denomination for a5 shots exemplar is: '' Berthier rifle model 1907/15 M16'', M 16 for ''1916 modified'' the year of the modification from 3 to 5 shots.
fm192429 2 years ago
It is a M16
Gungeek 2 years ago
you should look for the Lebel.
jarpasmannen 2 years ago
Not very common around here.
Gungeek 2 years ago
nice video! Hopefully we see that Berthier in action someday :)
mammiperse 2 years ago
is ammo expensive fot that?
mikewashere01 2 years ago
@mikewashere01 New ammo is being made in Serbia and I think it is some what cheap.
Gungeek 2 years ago
just got one of these delivered yesterday, but the 5 rd artillery carbine m.16 that was cut down to a wee tiny short thing.
i'm seeing conflicting info that i need mannlicher style clips for it; is that the case? can i just manually load?
glennsche 2 years ago
I load my single round.
Gungeek 2 years ago
that looks expensive....
88pie88 2 years ago
av never heard of a lebel rifle holding any more thn 3 rounds
govanprotestantboy 2 years ago
This is a Berhier...
Gungeek 2 years ago
sorry never read the name, a typed in Lebel n started workin ma way down the list lol
govanprotestantboy 2 years ago
It's in the title are you blind? lol
Gungeek 2 years ago
lol no am board n too lazy to read haha
govanprotestantboy 2 years ago
It seems the 8x50R round was obsolete by the time it was introduced based on the concept of that rifle. Not to mention the Chauchat machine gun chambered in that round was the pronounced the worst firearm in history.
Pagansniper 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with the 8x50Lebel :)
Gungeek 2 years ago
The Berthier carbine is a brutal rifle to shoot....Someone let me shot theirs, and I ended up buying a Kropatschek instead.
Plantfoam 2 years ago
The "safety" is the cocking knob on the rear of the bolt. You can put a round in the chamber and LIGHTLY let the knob forward while holding the trigger.
Gorbachev 2 years ago
Oh that sounds safe have the firing pin sit on the primer :)
Gungeek 2 years ago
It was common practice by Frenchmen. I believe the primers were harder back then as well. I have rounds stamped 49 and the primers are harder than new production from Norma. I have 20 left in 5rd en bloc clips if you're interested.
Gorbachev 2 years ago
I need a 3 shot mannlicher clip...
Gungeek 2 years ago
Well then. Are you interested in a 5 rd Berthier?
Congratulations, you pronounce Berthier correct. What is your bias?
Gorbachev 2 years ago
1st no I can't get parts from the US and 2nd go fuck yourself... :)
Gungeek 2 years ago
I'm starting to get the impression that you don't like me!
Gorbachev 2 years ago
Why So Serious...? :)
Gungeek 2 years ago
I've never fired anything except the .303 Lee Enfield. Have you also done such a review also? I've always enjoyed your videos, thanks for sharing. I'll also subscribe.
spitgalore 2 years ago
I think I did a vid on my Jungle carbine....
Gungeek 2 years ago
i hade one of those but only fired it a few times
vmpslr2 2 years ago
it's a lebel whive manlicher-magazine
in service to 1915 to 1985 for the military police
they have a carbine she is in service to 18892 to 2006
druisteen 2 years ago
i live in canada, where can i find it?
wowo666 3 years ago
is not Berthier 1916, but is Lebel Berthier 1907........le 1916 est un mousqueton cavalerie avec chargeur de 5 cartouche....
thank you in France for your video,
verdi181 3 years ago
It's the model 1916 but has a 3 shot mag...
Gungeek 3 years ago
where did you get it? how much does it cost? My great, great grandfather used one of those back in WWI and I want one to shoot in the Arizona desert
kieeld 3 years ago
I'm not sure where you would find one as i live in Canada :) I think this one here cost me about $100.
Gungeek 3 years ago
JUST A $100?!
ChromeGhost0219 3 years ago
around that yes
Gungeek 3 years ago
wow here in U.S it would probaly be $200
ChromeGhost0219 3 years ago
was the 5 round magazine used during world war 1?
fingersticks74 3 years ago
yep =]
Gungeek 3 years ago
Technically its a lebel with a mannlicher magazine. The lebel wasn't bad, but it suffered from the tubular magazine, so the M-B rifle was a big improvement in terms of loading.
-gunny55
ramberghini 3 years ago
J'aime bien le Berthier, il a du punch surtout quand on tir des balles de la guerre.
i'm lovin it!
USHomeboy 3 years ago
how does that rifle shoot?
mauser3846 3 years ago
not bad...
Gungeek 3 years ago
you can lower the hammer with your thumb an also recock it also.i owned one of those years ago.fyi.cool gun
vmpslr2 3 years ago
Very nice :)
bandyswrestler71 3 years ago
is it really pronounced "berthiay" i didnt know that!
math9023 3 years ago
About WW2:
The French were in the middle of updating their arsenals.
250,000 MAS 36 rifles were given to the best units. Used in large number only in Norway and May 1940, as well as by the 1er Regiment de France in 1944-45.
40,000 7.5 mm Berthier M1934 rifles, given mainly to fortress infantry (Maginot Line).
Vast majority of troops throughout the empire were using the Berthier M1916 rifle. This is true in France May-June 1940, and the other campaigns where French troops used French weapons.
Bushroot 4 years ago
Berthier M1916 - Most common weapon in May/June 1940 campaign, primary French rifle in battle (used alongside M1916 Mousqueton carbines in the hands of support, engineering, artillery troops, etc.) as well at Gabon (1940), Indochina (1940-41 and 1945), Syria-Lebanon (1941), Madagascar (1942), Operation Torch (1942), Tunisian Campaign (1942-43). Thereafter French troops were resupplied with American M1917 Enfield and M1903 Springfield rifles (and 740 M1 Garands to First Parachute Regiment).
Bushroot 4 years ago
Lebel 1886/M93 - was still used by French troops throughout this time (until 1943, except in Indochina which continued to use French equipment) as the primary grenadier rifle (VB rifle grenade) and sniper rifle (using APX M1921 scope), as well as in the hands of reservists and other non-frontline troops.
Also added to this number are other non-standard issue rifles used by the French in much smaller numbers: Lebel 1886/M93 R35, MAS 36 CR39, RSC M1917 and M1918 semi-auto rifles, etc.
Bushroot 4 years ago
Great to see a video on the Berthier rifle, but this is not technically an M1916 model, as that implies it has the extended five round magazine. This is actually an M07-15 Berthier.
Bushroot 4 years ago
Man your collection keeps surprising me!
c9ari 4 years ago
In every cas and theory, I wouldn't wanna be facing the mechanized German army with a BERTHIER or even a LEBEL....
Belva1 4 years ago
Well the mas 36 production was really slow. I suppose from my data that there were much more Berthiers available, Lebels too, but of course less seen on the frontline as they were outdated.
Belva1 4 years ago
I've read something similar, however production sped up considerable as war became more likely. The biggest problem was ditribution, and trying to make sure each regiment had ammunition that matched the rifles they carried. Such a large scale re-armament on the eve of war is always a bit tricky, and not always as smooth as one would want it to be.
splat4 4 years ago
As for the spitzer round, the French came up awith a solution for loading the Lebel rifle by adding a crimped O-ring at the base of the cartridge, so the nose of the spitzer would set in it, and not on the primer. Even if the nose of a bullet rested on the primer of the other one in a Lebel rifle, it took a strong jolt to start an explosive chain reaction. It did happen, but not very often.
WW2tactics 4 years ago
As someone who collects French longarms of WW 1 and WW 2, of the French army of 1939-40, mostly Class A troops had MAS 36 rifles, and a few regiments had the older berthiers and Lebels. Most of the reserve and Class B trrops had only Berthiers and Lebels. However, it was common to see all 3 rifles withing one regiment, or 3 versions of the Berthier/Lebels within the same regiment.
WW2tactics 4 years ago
no way. mas 36 was already the new official rifle, in very little numbers. The Berthier mle 1916 was the most common in 1940 .
Belva1 4 years ago
what's a ISBN dude?
So, where am I from ? I see you checked.
You were getting double owned though, with the previous comment.. anyway..
Belva1 4 years ago
The Berthier was the most common in 1940
LOL
emd2000 4 years ago
AHAHAH you got OWNED TO THE MAX !
I wrote I'm from Bangladesh to see how people behaves!
It's definitely a proof that you put nationality over technical aspects. I won't even tell you where I'm really from!
I'll tell you, I shot all of them: the berthier is the worst ww1 rifle in my book. French rifles returned to something good with the MAS and the current famas. The RSC wasn't adopted in a large scale, it's like the Federov or Mondragon... shall we talk about the Chauchat :) ?
Belva1 4 years ago
So what ??? Bangladesh is the perfect state for you ? I don't care where you are from, anyway, it's not difficult to know with your perfect english - mister no error -.
I was telling you : make real comparison for god sake.
I'll be curious to know the ISBN of your book...
emd2000 4 years ago
Emd, you're biased causee you're french. As soon as the spitzer bullet was adopted, tubolar magazine was an idiotic mean of holding ammo. Jacketed point against the primer, you know what happens if you put recoil in... I hope.
Plus you even had to have TOOLS to disassemble the bolt. Machinery was extra poor. Take a look to a m1903 or a Mauser, of course they come from more powerful countries... but heck!
Belva1 4 years ago
The lebel 1886 is a model adopted in 1886.... you make a comparison with 20 years of conception of difference !! Yes Mauser M98 and springfield 1903 are some good rifles, but they were made at least 15 years later...
What about the RSC = > semi automatic 10 shots french rifle adopted in 1918 ???
You always see what it is the worst with French stuff !! doing stupid comparison and so on ...
So what about bangladesh military stuff ??? what stuff ? knive ? bow ? stone ?
emd2000 4 years ago
Poor Frenchies in those trenches of ww1, their rifles just never seemed to hold up as well as the Germans. Although they seemed to work well enough to hold the line for all those years on the western front. If I had to choose a battle rifle of that era I would go with the SMLE Enfeild 10 shots better than 3
Duke418 4 years ago
Yep... but this rifle is NOT the one for regular French soldier. Only for artillery crew etc.
WWI French soldier in trenches has the 'lebel', with EIGHT shots (8 mm) ...That was a very good rifle, for those who hold one.
As many people on youtube, you speak about things that you don't know much about ...
emd2000 4 years ago
The Berthier was starting to replace the lebel in WW1. M07/15 3 shot and M16 5 shot...
Gungeek 4 years ago
Sorry, it's not very true...
the lebel was still use as the standard weapon in the 'battle of France in 1940' by infantry, the Berthier was only adopted by tank crew, artillery etc.
emd2000 4 years ago
Im talking about the Berthier rifle not carbine...
Gungeek 4 years ago
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Nice rifles.
thelanceoromance 4 years ago
Good vid! I have both the 3 shot and 5 shot. I've shot ball three my 5 shot rifle, and surprisingly it's not that bad at all, kind of accurate at 250 yards or under. Too bad 8mm lebel ammo is so hard to find.
splat4 4 years ago
what would be the price for one of those and not for collection for shooting and also are the bullet's easy to find and reload
jagpride 4 years ago
I think i got this one for less then $100,but it is well used.For ammo i don't think there is any new factory ammo for these just brass and bullets.You can get reloading Dies from LEE Precision and the bullets are .323" just like the 8x57S...so they are easy to find.I made some shells using 348Win. brass and used 170 grain .323 bullets in them and they worked very well.
Gungeek 4 years ago
it's not a pure .323" (8.22mm mauser), it's generally a bit more. In france, we consider it's about 8.30mm. The best is to measure with a round bullet of lead. For accuracy, use a homemade lead bullet.
djnart63 4 years ago
Thanks for saving weapons that have made our history. Our stupid french laws are making very difficult for french shooter like me to collect these old rifle. In 2007, France continues to destruct these rifles because, you know, "guns are bad"...
djnart63 4 years ago